m.shah
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Couldnt buy a wicket in sl ...where Asif got plenty
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Couldnt buy a wicket in sl ...where Asif got plenty
Yes, Asif struggled on such pitches too which many people overlook but he was a much better bowler than Philly. Philly doesn't produce magical deliveries like him.
Performance counts more than Magical deliveries, Philander is a better bowler than Asif easily on performance
Performance in SA, where he has played the majority of his tests? Asif has a better away average than Philander and in fact averages better than him in South Africa itself! So Philander is hardly the 'better bowler easily on performance'.
Are you sure Asif has better average compared to Philander in SA??
Kindly present stats to back your claim
Asif's average in SA (18.47):
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/41411.html?class=1;template=results;type=bowling
Philander's average in SA (18.94):
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/46945.html?class=1;template=results;type=bowling
that is pretty much same..
It means that Philander has performed better outside SouthAfrica compared to Asif??
He needs to work on pitching the ball up. You get wickets on flat pattahs in the sub continent by pitching the ball up and making the batsman play.
To be fair, SSC is a horrible excuse for a cricket pitch. SURESH RAINA got a debut test ton there.
To be fair, SSC is a horrible excuse for a cricket pitch. SURESH RAINA got a debut test ton there.
Being a kiwi.. You follow Indian cricket very closely.. And it's not just this post I have seen many other informative posts from you as well. Are you associated to India some way?
Actually an Indian family lives next door to me ever since I was a kid. They were avid cricket watchers and told me all kinds of stuff about Indian teams of yesteryears. Plus, my aunt is married to an Indian and she lives in Goa. I have visited her quite a few times. I wouldn't say I have a kinship with Indians but I do tend to follow NZ, Indian and Pakistani(courtesy PP) International cricket more than other nations.
A 78-80mph would always struggle in Such conditions even if he is super good, that is what i fear for Bhuveneshwar too, he has to play majority of his cricket in Asia and he will struggle here...
Even Asif struggled in Asian conditions apart from Karachi test which was a green wicket and in Srilanka where he got help from the pitch..
In 2007 against SA (in Pakistan) asif struggled big time to take a wicket
Mcgrath never really seemed to struggle anywhere. And he hardly touched 135
Vernon can put the ball in the same place all day but he doesn't have the bounce that Mcgrath used to get. Mcgrath could also get the ball to move off the pitch just enough to get edges on almost all tracks.He was in different class. I think, his ability to consistently put balls on the same spot was phenomenal and that helped him to get wickets everywhere.
The key to getting wickets on flat pitches for test games is to set super attacking fields and even if it means batsman finds boundaries time and time again so be because eventually some of their shots will find the fielder or from behind. You are likely to save around 80-200 runs like that and save more than 10 overs than usual.
Vernon can put the ball in the same place all day but he doesn't have the bounce that Mcgrath used to get. Mcgrath could also get the ball to move off the pitch just enough to get edges on almost all tracks.
Mcgrath is a hit the deck bowler but got more revs on the ball than a traditional swing bowler, he gets more bounce even on flat pitches and could exploit even the slightest movement available due to putting a lot of revs and hitting the deck hard. He used to cut over the ball rather than under the ball like traditional swing bowlers which was why he got more revs.
Mcgrath never really seemed to struggle anywhere. And he hardly touched 135
My old man tells me that when McGrath first started out he was pushing mid 140s quite regularly
Its been confirmed by pretty much every old enough to remember that I have spoken to
He was in different class. I think, his ability to consistently put balls on the same spot was phenomenal and that helped him to get wickets everywhere.
+ Height
He did. True. But Mcgrath really came into his own and peaked later on. And he hardly touched 135.
Although I guess he had height which Philander doesn't have.
McGrath was also a genius.
I never tire of this youtube clip
So were his no balls.Asif was in a league of his own. He produced deliveries that can't be replicated because all his dismissals seemed planned.
Being a kiwi.. You follow Indian cricket very closely.. And it's not just this post I have seen many other informative posts from you as well. Are you associated to India some way?
I could visit NZ every year and sill wouldn't know any record belonging to NZ cricket. Or recognize a kiwi cricketer in a bar.Actually an Indian family lives next door to me ever since I was a kid. They were avid cricket watchers and told me all kinds of stuff about Indian teams of yesteryears. Plus, my aunt is married to an Indian and she lives in Goa. I have visited her quite a few times. I wouldn't say I have a kinship with Indians but I do tend to follow NZ, Indian and Pakistani(courtesy PP) International cricket more than other nations.
Bowling can't be easy if you hit the stumps without reward or getting catches dropped of your bowling.
And was never fair to compare the guy to McGrath in the first place.
So were his no balls.
I could visit NZ every year and sill wouldn't know any record belonging to NZ cricket. Or recognize a kiwi cricketer in a bar.
And you know Suresh Raina's debut century was at SSC because you have an Indian neighbor, an aunt in Goa, and you've been to India.
Sure.
If I had a nickel for every kiwi I've come across on cricket forums who started off as kiwi and gradually turned out to be an Indian living in NZ....
Yet he averaged 17 for a year or so and orchestrated 45, 47 and 49 all out of three test teams. Just goes to show how ridiculous your test wickets are (when not bending over for India) and how overrated this green track bully is. Even with all the ball tampering he can't buy a wicket.
I could visit NZ every year and sill wouldn't know any record belonging to NZ cricket. Or recognize a kiwi cricketer in a bar.
Sure.
If I had a nickel for every kiwi I've come across on cricket forums who started off as kiwi and gradually turned out to be an Indian living in NZ....
So any interesting Jadeja records while we're at it, since your aunt lives in Goa? Don't know a lot of 56 year old kiwis with aunts in Goa to be honest.But you are forgetting some minor details: I am not you. You are not me. You don't know anything about me apart from an image that has been conjured from my posts.
Besides, you think you are the only one who has accused me of being Indian? Here, for ultra-sensitive Pakistani fans, if you are not fawning over their cricketers, you are Indian. Plain and simple. Never mind the fact that I have annoyed Indian fans as well during their horror away performances as well when I got accused of being a Pakistani! So I guess it's a subcontinental issue.
Who the hell told you I'm 56 years old? Do I sound that wise to you?So any interesting Jadeja records while we're at it, since your aunt lives in Goa? Don't know a lot of 56 year old kiwis with aunts in Goa to be honest.
I think you mentioned in the username thread that the '58' in the name was your birth year.Who the hell told you I'm 56 years old? Do I sound that wise to you?)
Some old geezer told me that.Who the hell told you I'm 56 years old? Do I sound that wise to you?)
The bad guy from Texas chainsaw massacre is Leatherface. 58 is my actual birth year and I have also made a fake Facebook profile to stalk little boys and girls. Polanski ain't got nuffin' on me.![]()
Yup. The best thing about telling the truth is you don't have to remember what you said.I think you mentioned in the username thread that the '58' in the name was your birth year.![]()
I think you mentioned in the username thread that the '58' in the name was your birth year.![]()
Some gold geezer told me that.
From the thread "how did you choose your pp username:
Yet you didn't even remember saying that.You could cut the sarcasm in that post with a swiss army knife.
Or you could have said that you're a kiwi who knows random Indian records because you have an Indian neighbor and an aunt in Goa.For all I know I could have said I am a 6'5'' male with a rocking hot bod, sexy girlfriend and rich enough to buy Donald Trump.
Yet you didn't even remember saying that.
Or you could have said that you're a kiwi who knows random Indian records because you have an Indian neighbor and an aunt in Goa.
Game over, bro.
Thank goodness, he got fixated on my age and not the line after that. Else he would have called the cops on me."58 is my actual birth year and I have also made a fake Facebook profile to stalk little boys and girls. Polanski ain't got nuffin' on me" - Leatherface58
He made fake profiles to stalk little boys/girls , lol.
Based on this statement PPers guessed his age, hilarious.
So were his no balls.
I could visit NZ every year and sill wouldn't know any record belonging to NZ cricket. Or recognize a kiwi cricketer in a bar.
And you know Suresh Raina's debut century was at SSC because you have an Indian neighbor, an aunt in Goa, and you've been to India.
Sure.
If I had a nickel for every kiwi I've come across on cricket forums who started off as kiwi and gradually turned out to be an Indian living in NZ....
Yet he averaged 17 for a year or so and orchestrated 45, 47 and 49 all out of three test teams. Just goes to show how ridiculous your test wickets are (when not bending over for India) and how overrated this green track bully is. Even with all the ball tampering he can't buy a wicket.
What a great asset to South African cricket.
When not performing with ball, he does so with the willow.
Won a game in England at Lords on his own taking a 5-for and scoring a valuable 50 when SA were on the verge of a collapse.
Nearly saved a match in Cape Town resisting a rampaging Johnson, showing tremendous courage.
And then today. Saved a match and won the series for his country.
He is indeed the best all rounder in the world ATM. SA are very blessed in this regard through out history.
If Steyn is the equivalent of Shane Warne then Vern is Yasir Shah.
Almost 30 months ago ie 2.5 years ago majority of you ruled out Philander at the age of 28 only terming him a trundler who had lost his mojo even at trundling speeds.
Today Vernon Philander is the leader of SA attack and is outperforming Abbott and Rabada significantly.
After 38 Tests he still averages 22 with the Ball.
In 17 away tests he averages 25 with the Ball.
In last 6 Tests he averages 21 with the ball with 2 fivefers and 1 fourfer.
Don't forget his Test batting average of 23.
Do not forget the huge criticism he got for being preferred over Abbott by SA in their last match of WC 2015. Yes Abbott should have played that match.
Philander got fit, worked hard, performed in domesric , made a comeback, showed memtal toughness and is a leader of the attack.
Well done Vernon Philander.
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Not tall enough.
Doesn't matter how many wickets he takes, of good players, at such a low average.
Just too short.