[VIDEO] Amid Virat Kohli 'Fake Fielding' Row, BCB To Raise 'Controversial Umpiring' Issue: Report

[ZafarKhan2022]

What a disaster of a tournament what a farce this sport has become due to the BCCI and the indian government.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Throwing without having the ball in hand is a pretty open and shut case for me. You can everything in the world subjective, but the rules state otherwise. Two wrong don't make a right.

Also, why was Kohli upset if the rule was correctly being followed? lol

That is why you are not an umpire. Umpires don't give you 5 free runs just like that. Especially when it didn't involve any actual distraction of batsmen. This also has to happen in real-time. Why didn't the batsman bring it up? Apparently it just ditracted Nurul sitting outside the ground. Nobody else. So won't considered as "attempt to distract". If you are going to react to Kohli's gestures you will need a law book. One of the most expressive player on the field.

 

[ZafarKhan2022]

Law 41.5.1, “it is unfair for any fielder wilfully to attempt, by word or action, to distract, deceive or obstruct either batsman after the striker has received the ball”

The law cites attempt not the result of distraction. Pretty open and shut case for me but we all know who buys the umpires.

 

[Mas-LFC]

I saw that fake throw live but I didn’t know there’s penalty for it icc rules. But hey, you can’t give penalty to your own self can you. Corrupt Indian Cricket Council.

InshAllah England or anyone rips India next round. From now I’ll passionately support anyone against India. Literally fed up up Indian influence in ICC which it’s an indian council.

 

[Madplayer]

Bcci has ruined the game. Everybody is questioning the integrity of umpires. This is a disgrace and not good advertisement for the game.

 

[Mas-LFC]

Since it’s about Virat Kohli. This dude has some superiority complex when he plays BD. Look at Tendulkar, Dravid proper decent hence well respected and appreciated everywhere even Ganguly was fiery too but was sane. Kohli gets too hyper cocky and does them madness with the swearings and his body lingo seems like he is some big bad man in the hood. But he doesn’t do that with Pakistan or Australia or England.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Answer my questions , don't bring your imaginary part as i know about your cricketing knowledge . Umpire missed on both occasions so whose fault here?? Had Bangladesh batsman complaint about fake fielding at that time ??

What looked more intentional to you? Kohli's throw or towel falling in the ground?

 

[loves_cricket]

Bcci has ruined the game. Everybody is questioning the integrity of umpires. This is a disgrace and not good advertisement for the game. And bhakts will come here to defend this sham.

I can understand few posters hate india to their core so looking for any thing or every thing to make.it sound like cheating
If that was the case india should have won all the matches and every single tournaments
But since 2011 they failed to win so the argument that india is somehow running game is as laughable as they comes
Stop playing india boycott bcci if ICC thinks india is ruining the game

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Just like mankading was justified by some fans by throwing the ICC rules book on its criticisers, same book should be thrown at those fans who are defending fake throw now.

So, what does ICC law say about fake fielding?

According to ICC's Law 41.5.1, "it is unfair for any fielder wilfully to attempt, by word or action, to distract, deceive or obstruct either batsman after the striker has received the ball.”

The law goes on to state that "It is for either one of the umpires to decide whether any distraction, deception or obstruction is wilful or not" and "if either umpire considers that a fielder has caused or attempted to cause such a distraction, deception or obstruction, he/she shall immediately call and signal Dead ball and inform the other umpire of the reason for the call." The law further states that if there is any such case "the bowler's end umpire shall award 5 Penalty runs to the batting side."

https://sports.ndtv.com/t20-world-c...ke-fielding-mean-according-to-icc-law-3486723

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

That is why you are not an umpire. Umpires don't give you 5 free runs just like that. Especially when it didn't involve any actual distraction of batsmen. This also has to happen in real-time. Why didn't the batsman bring it up? Apparently it just ditracted Nurul sitting outside the ground. Nobody else. So won't considered as "attempt to distract". If you are going to react to Kohli's gestures you will need a law book. One of the most expressive player on the field.

Umpires Marais Erasmus and Chris Brown didn't take action, despite Liton and non-striking batsman Najmul Hossain pointing it out, a Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) official told AFP.

https://sports.ndtv.com/t20-world-c...ke-fielding-mean-according-to-icc-law-3486723

 

[Kriketer]

If I am the batsman running between wicket and a fielder on the way of the ball does that motion, it sure would seem unethical so law makes sense.

Virat being a senior player should avoid such silly behaviors. Bangladesh should have raised it then and there where it could have made a difference, but doing later isn't wrong either as cricket law was broken during the game. This would atleast serve as a lesson and Indians here and wana-be-Indian shouldn't blindly write it off, when sports simply need to be played by rules, so follow the rules instead of blindly weeping over it if a legit rulebook issue is being discussed. Just because Bangladesh doesn't win much doesn't mean they or any team shouldn't be heard regardless of their standing.

Not surprised that umpire didn't bring it up, even if they had noticed it during the game.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Law 41.5.1, “it is unfair for any fielder wilfully to attempt, by word or action, to distract, deceive or obstruct either batsman after the striker has received the ball”

The law cites attempt not the result of distraction. Pretty open and shut case for me but we all know who buys the umpires.

That one is about dismissal. There is no real ambiguity there. Batsmen gaining unfair head start. Some of the instances in this world cup made the mankading even more important dismissal. When Ashwin bowled Litton Das was inside the crease. When Shami bowled he was outside. If that over were not to be bowled by Ashwin, his head start would have helped him finish that 2nd run.

THis one is judgement about "action". Interpretation is highly subjective and has to be called in real time just like mankading. Why didn't BD players bring it up when it actually happened?

 

[Kriketer]

Umpires Marais Erasmus and Chris Brown didn't take action, despite Liton and non-striking batsman Najmul Hossain pointing it out, a Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) official told AFP.

https://sports.ndtv.com/t20-world-c...ke-fielding-mean-according-to-icc-law-3486723

O, now that's interesting if batsmen raised it during the play and still Umpires disregarded it. That's just nonsense from Umpires if they don't want to apply the rulebook then might as well play gulli danda (even that has rules). Then this incident and no-ball incident against Pakistan certainly seem like favousim to one specific team.

Not that it would have made a difference to end result the way Bangladesh crumbled but rules should be followed.

 

[jnaveen1980]

O, now that's interesting if batsmen raised it during the play and still Umpires disregarded it. That's just nonsense from Umpires if they don't want to apply the rulebook then might as well play gulli danda (even that has rules). Then this incident and no-ball incident against Pakistan certainly seem like favousim to one specific team.

Not that it would have made a difference to end result the way Bangladesh crumbled but rules should be followed.

I rewatched that over just now. Nothing happened after that ball. Litton das was facing the next ball almost immediately. Umpires did not engage with any player next ball.

 

[Mirpur express]

The more I see it the worse it gets ! Very bad & probably the last player I expected to see doing this. Also very surprised @ the umpire ignoring the Bangla player’s pleas

 

[dildilpak]

Umpires Marais Erasmus and Chris Brown didn't take action, despite Liton and non-striking batsman Najmul Hossain pointing it out, a Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) official told AFP.

https://sports.ndtv.com/t20-world-c...ke-fielding-mean-according-to-icc-law-3486723

Wouldn’t believe what BCB says - they have made wild claims in the past. The replay of the match shows no interaction between the batsmen/umpire after that ball was bowled. They should have raised a stink then & there, but didn’t & probably got riled up after the game. Not to say Kohli wasn’t at fault here though.

 

[OmaIR1]

I didn't mind Kohli signaling to the umpire for the noball or whatever and don't mind this either but if Bangladesh really had a problem with this they should have pointed it out to the umpire when it happened. Not complain about it after the match. If after pointing it out to the umpire the umpire did nothing I would agree that it is not fair as rules are rules, etc.

 

[Suleiman]

Tainted World Cup for India from here on out. If india win this WC there will be an asterisk next to that win, because Bangladesh should have been awarded 5 extra runs as per the rules due to Kohli’s behavior.

Indians love rules and did not hesitate to quote them during the chaos that occurred in the Pak game in the final over.

Let’s see if they will abide by all rules or only stick to ones that fit their agenda

 

[dildilpak]

Update - A key point to note here is that BCB has not officially complained to the match referee about this incident, because ‘there is no point in doing so’. They are only going to bring it up in the next ICC board meeting.

 

[PakLFC]

Nothing will come off it when the BCCI provides 80% of the revenue to ICC. The umpiring bias in favour of India is obvious.

 

[Mainul]

Some rules are subjective rules. Not set in stone. This is one such rule. Reason this was introduced because many fielders had this habit of pretending that they didn't collect the ball and letting the batsmen run, once they are out they run or stump the batsman out. In some cases they denied runs worse ran batsmen out with fake gestures. Fakhar did get run out. Dekock was neither penalized nor 5 runs added to Pakistan total. Bavuma claimed it is a clever move. This is not even remotely close to that.

I just checked that video which you are pointing about. It isn't comparable to that of Kohli. De cock was really clever. He was pointing to the fielder to throw the ball to the non striker end . But it was a direct hit to striker end to which Fakhar was running. De cock knew the ball was coming to that end. His intention was to deceive Fakhar but interestingly no-one can't prove it that his intention was to deceive.

But Virat's action was totally different. He gestured that he collected the ball and he threw while he didn't receive the ball at all. It was deception and it is easy to prove as to prove that there was daylight.

 

[Mainul]

I didn't mind Kohli signaling to the umpire for the noball or whatever and don't mind this either but if Bangladesh really had a problem with this they should have pointed it out to the umpire when it happened. Not complain about it after the match. If after pointing it out to the umpire the umpire did nothing I would agree that it is not fair as rules are rules, etc.

No . The fact is that Nazmul Shanto repeatedly told the onfield umpires about it while it happened but they replied that they didn't notice so can't be gone upstairs!!

 

[Mainul]

Wouldn’t believe what BCB says - they have made wild claims in the past. The replay of the match shows no interaction between the batsmen/umpire after that ball was bowled. They should have raised a stink then & there, but didn’t & probably got riled up after the game. Not to say Kohli wasn’t at fault here though.

Where did you see that replay? Can you give that part here?

 

[Mainul]

Just like mankading was justified by some fans by throwing the ICC rules book on its criticisers, same book should be thrown at those fans who are defending fake throw now.

So, what does ICC law say about fake fielding?

According to ICC's Law 41.5.1, "it is unfair for any fielder wilfully to attempt, by word or action, to distract, deceive or obstruct either batsman after the striker has received the ball.”

The law goes on to state that "It is for either one of the umpires to decide whether any distraction, deception or obstruction is wilful or not" and "if either umpire considers that a fielder has caused or attempted to cause such a distraction, deception or obstruction, he/she shall immediately call and signal Dead ball and inform the other umpire of the reason for the call." The law further states that if there is any such case "the bowler's end umpire shall award 5 Penalty runs to the batting side."

https://sports.ndtv.com/t20-world-c...ke-fielding-mean-according-to-icc-law-3486723

Thanks for being in neutral position to realise that. Rules are rules, nobody should not look at their agenda to fit or misfit the rule.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I just checked that video which you are pointing about. It isn't comparable to that of Kohli. De cock was really clever. He was pointing to the fielder to throw the ball to the non striker end . But it was a direct hit to striker end to which Fakhar was running. De cock knew the ball was coming to that end. His intention was to deceive Fakhar but interestingly no-one can't prove it that his intention was to deceive.

But Virat's action was totally different. He gestured that he collected the ball and he threw while he didn't receive the ball at all. It was deception and it is easy to prove as to prove that there was daylight.

He made the gesture to nobody. Who was victimized here? Did Bangladesh lose a wicket or run? Don't come back with "attempt to blah blah blah" . Common sense your best friend. This is basically trying to steal 5 runs without doing anything lol

 

[jnaveen1980]

Where did you see that replay? Can you give that part here?

I watched the full over on ESPN.

227 incident happened

243 Litton Das facecd his next delivery.

16 seconds

 

[Mainul]

I watched the full over on ESPN.

227 incident happened

243 Litton Das facecd his next delivery.

16 seconds

Can you provide the video please?

 

[Mainul]

He made the gesture to nobody. Who was victimized here? Did Bangladesh lose a wicket or run? Don't come back with "attempt to blah blah blah" . Common sense your best friend. This is basically trying to steal 5 runs without doing anything lol

No need to get out to be a victim. Read the law again please.

 

[dildilpak]

I watched the full over on ESPN.

227 incident happened

243 Litton Das facecd his next delivery.

16 seconds

This. No interaction between the batsmen & umpire. Not asking for third umpire to be involved. No official complaint to match referee after the match. Nothing.

Instead of just mouthing in front of the media, BCB should have involved the match officials. ICC board meeting means zilch in this case. What are they gonna do?

 

[jnaveen1980]

No need to get out to be a victim. Read the law again please.

According to ICC's Law 41.5.1, "it is unfair for any fielder wilfully to attempt, by word or action, to distract, deceive or obstruct either batsman after the striker has received the ball.”


Wilfully to attempt - Good luck proving that. When the batsman is not watching, the umpire is not watching then it is not willful. Nobody benefits anything from it. Your whole idea of faking is to create an opportunity. Lot of times players deliberately pull a nonstriker out and fake a run out in a playful manner. That can be technically considered a penalty. But the players have to raise that as a concern. Most recently Wade shoved Wood aside when he went for catch. Umpire didn't exactly override Buttler's move. Sangakkara did the same with Shezhad. It was a playful attempt.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I dont think Bangladesh were fooles by this fake throw but wth goes through Kohlis head at times.

 

[HitWicket]

Then last year, Pakistan was denied a fake fielding penalty in a close finish against South Africa. With Pakistan needing 31 runs to win off last six, Fakhar Zaman was run out after South African wicketkeeper, Quinton de Kock, appeared to signal that a throw from the deep was heading to the bowler’s end.

Fakhar, thinking that the ball wasn’t coming to his end, slowed down only for Aiden Markram’s throw to hit the stumps at the keeper’s end, catching him short of his crease.

Why was this not penalized?

I can give more examples.

Because the umpires deemed that De Kock wasn't attempting to deceive the batsmen but was signalling for someone to back up the stumps at the other end. Why do you think this wasn't penalised?

 

[wrongun]

According to ICC's Law 41.5.1, "it is unfair for any fielder wilfully to attempt, by word or action, to distract, deceive or obstruct either batsman after the striker has received the ball.”


Wilfully to attempt - Good luck proving that. When the batsman is not watching, the umpire is not watching then it is not willful. Nobody benefits anything from it. Your whole idea of faking is to create an opportunity. Lot of times players deliberately pull a nonstriker out and fake a run out in a playful manner. That can be technically considered a penalty. But the players have to raise that as a concern. Most recently Wade shoved Wood aside when he went for catch. Umpire didn't exactly override Buttler's move. Sangakkara did the same with Shezhad. It was a playful attempt.

The will concerns comes from the fielding player doing the cheating- to will something is to intend. Intent cannot come from the batsman or umpire- the rule clearly uses the word "wilfully" to guide as to whether the fielder intended to deceive.

When the fielder cannot see if the batsman is watching him, but makes a fake throw anyway- there is no reason to do that except to deceive. The fielder is watching the ball, when he decides to do a fake throw, intent (will) is formed, regardless of whether the batsman is watching.

"Did you intend to shoot this man?"
"Yes, but he wasn't watching so I cannot have willfully intended it"... sounds silly like that doesn't it.

 

[jnaveen1980]

The will concerns comes from the fielding player doing the cheating- to will something is to intend. Intent cannot come from the batsman or umpire- the rule clearly uses the word "wilfully" to guide as to whether the fielder intended to deceive.

When the fielder cannot see if the batsman is watching him, but makes a fake throw anyway- there is no reason to do that except to deceive. The fielder is watching the ball, when he decides to do a fake throw, intent (will) is formed, regardless of whether the batsman is watching.

"Did you intend to shoot this man?"
"Yes, but he wasn't watching so I cannot have willfully intended it"... sounds silly like that doesn't it.

That is not really a good analogy lol Shooting vs Fake shooting with no gun. With nothing in hand , throwing action with nobody watching will not make it "willful".

Deceive who? If nobody is watching who is he going to deceive?

Two parties have to be part of the act. Deceive the batsman. A fake throw with nobody watching is not going to deceive anybody. So this will not be interpreted as wilful. Because of abuse like this umpires interpret this law. in all the cases it happened before. At the international level no team was penalized with 5 runs. Bairstow pretended to run out Steve smith which forced him to make a dive. Umpire did not add 5 runs to Australian total. It was not penalized.

 

[Concerned]

Didn’t De-Kock do the same to Fakhar Zaman which resulted in his dismissal?

Nothing happened afterwards

 

[shamaan]

I'll bite my tongue, and agree with you.

The Umpire have looked after India players quite well.

 

[shamaan]

Even today match between South Africa and Pakistan when the bowler( Wasim) running on bowling mark then his towel Fall in the ground and its should be a no ball but umpire missed that .

Show us the law regarding that ?

 

[shamaan]

Cricket fans are softer than plush pillows. What is the problem with fake fielding? If the batsmen don’t have awareness of what is happening around them and get deceived, so what?

If cricket fans are in charge of football, they would ban fake shots because it can deceive defenders.

Great job Virat, if only Pakistani players had half the intelligence and awareness that you do.

So admit that he cheated but fairly ?

 

[giri26]

What looked more intentional to you? Kohli's throw or towel falling in the ground?

Carrying a towel which may fall when bowling is intentional isn't it?

 

[giri26]

There are lots of laws but most of it is left to the interpretation of the two men in the middle. Even if the umpires had noticed it, they would have determined if it was actually a wilful intent to deceive. Also if it makes any difference to the outcome. This has not been the first attempt at distracting the batter since the rule has been implemented. How many times have the fielding team been penalised? Obviously BD are making a huge deal out of it as they lost by 5 runs. If the margin was 10-15, all this crying would be baseless. Some rules are to be implemented as it is and some are left to umpires interpretation. Like this law

41.5 Deliberate distraction, deception or obstruction of batter
41.5.1 In addition to 41.4, it is unfair for any fielder wilfully to attempt, by word or action, to distract, deceive or obstruct either batter after the striker has received the ball.
41.5.2 It is for either one of the umpires to decide whether any distraction, deception or obstruction is wilful or not.

So yeah, if Bangladesh felt it was wilful, they should have reported immediately after the incident. Not after the game on a ICC report. Umpires are looking at the batter running and cannot have eyes all over the field. Neither batter nor the umpires noticed this happening. Lot of fielders I have seen do this throwing gesture even when they haven't fielded it. Some fielders even slide even though they aren't close to the ball. None of these have received penalties. I think the game is over, lets move on. Anything which happens in India's game is construed as some sort of conspiracy. With all this help, you would assume India have won all the ICC trophies in the last decade.

Before people say that India have bottled in big games, it just requires one helping decision by the umpires on a close call to convert few of those knockouts into wins. So stop using non-issues as your crutch for the disappointment caused by your team.

 

[Snowflake]

Carrying a towel which may fall when bowling is intentional isn't it?

oh lord ) Now I've heard it all.

He carried a towel, so that it falls and distracts the batsman.

 

[Snowflake]

That is why you are not an umpire. Umpires don't give you 5 free runs just like that. Especially when it didn't involve any actual distraction of batsmen. This also has to happen in real-time. Why didn't the batsman bring it up? Apparently it just ditracted Nurul sitting outside the ground. Nobody else. So won't considered as "attempt to distract". If you are going to react to Kohli's gestures you will need a law book. One of the most expressive player on the field.

I think you are willfully acting dumb because there is no way you keep missing this basic point and keep repeating the same thing again and again. For the last time, no one gives a damn about ACTUAL distraction. The law clearly states that just an ATTEMPT is punishable - regardless of if it was successful or not. I mean, how else do I phrase this?

You do understand what attempt means, right?

 

[giri26]

oh lord ) Now I've heard it all.

He carried a towel, so that it falls and distracts the batsman.

Nope that's not what I was saying. He is carrying a towel which is intentional, it may be to dry the ball or wipe his sweaty hands but he is carrying it. It may fall without his knowledge but still it will be a dead ball if the batter is distracted. understand the context.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I think you are willfully acting dumb because there is no way you keep missing this basic point and keep repeating the same thing again and again. For the last time, no one gives a damn about ACTUAL distraction. The law clearly states that just an ATTEMPT is punishable - regardless of if it was successful or not. I mean, how else do I phrase this?

You do understand what attempt means, right?

Read the full law of unfair play. Umpire's interpretation is final. You could literally call any hand gesture as wilful and try to make 500 runs with 100 gestures of players. Umpire is the final authority that will decide what is willful. If it is found willful as per unfair play rule umpire will have a word with the captain of the side and issue a Team warning. They won't directly add 5 runs. We haven't gotten to the part of umpire even considering this. Umpires care about what they observe not what fan of a team that depends on the result of the match. Chandimal was just given a warning when he was caught. They didn't add 5 runs to total. You probably have to spend several sleepless night over these 5 runs in case you don't go through. I exited from all these nonsencial conspiracy theories thread. This is my final reply. Hope you find solace in spreading extreme conspiracy theories.

 

[charlie007]

Well, Kohli did do “fake fielding”, not sure why anyone needs to justify why or if anything was gained by it.
But the fact is that the umpire didn’t see it and didn’t call it. Umpires often miss a clear LBW, thick edges, and do a lot wrong quite regularly. Whine about it for a few hours and move on!!!
You drive on the road way over the speed limit and the cop doesn’t catch you. Good for you, move on!

 

[Rajdeep]

I have asked this question thrice in this thread but no one seem to respond. When Sangakkara conned Ahmed Shehzad, was that not fake fielding? Why was he not punished?

Atleast in Kohli's time, it didnt cost anything. Neither an extra run nor any injury. What Sanga did caused Shehzad to dive unnecessarily which could have caused injury.

That Litton Kumar Das run out was game changer and it was a matter of that one wicket anyway. BD could never recover from that as they are a rubbish team. If anything, DL method and reduced target helped them getting closer to the target. Had it been a full game, they would have lost by a bigger margin.

Lets be honest, BD lost the game fair and square just like Pakistan did on 23rd October. Fans who had unrealistic expectations from their team is not able to come to the terms with the reality and clinging onto any straws. In real world, they should blame their own team for losing against Zimbabwe.

We (Indian team) were exactly in similar situation 12 months ago. Not a single fan moaned/cried/complained etc. Ofcourse we were upset with our team but we took the defeat on the chin and moved onto the next. That is the hall mark of top sides. Even then I remember Pakistani fans were accusing Afghanistan team of deliberately losing against India so that later can qualify for semis.

Actually in last 3 ICC events, Pakistani fans have conjured some conspiracy theories:

2019 WC - Ind deliberatly lost to Eng so that Pak cant qualify

2021 T20 WC - Afg deliberately lost so that Ind can qualify

2022 T20 WC - India bought umpires

This is hilarious and sad to see at the same time.

 

[Major]

fake fieldng rule added in 2017

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Nope that's not what I was saying. He is carrying a towel which is intentional, it may be to dry the ball or wipe his sweaty hands but he is carrying it. It may fall without his knowledge but still it will be a dead ball if the batter is distracted. understand the context.

This is one of the stupidest reason to defend fake fielding by Kohli. I asked above whether it was intentional or not. Here you yourself are accepting that it can fall without his knowledge so how is it intentional and comparable to Kohli's fake fielding? There is a limit to defending such actions. Grow a spine and learn to call spade a spade for once.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

I have asked this question thrice in this thread but no one seem to respond. When Sangakkara conned Ahmed Shehzad, was that not fake fielding? Why was he not punished?

Atleast in Kohli's time, it didnt cost anything. Neither an extra run nor any injury. What Sanga did caused Shehzad to dive unnecessarily which could have caused injury.

That Litton Kumar Das run out was game changer and it was a matter of that one wicket anyway. BD could never recover from that as they are a rubbish team. If anything, DL method and reduced target helped them getting closer to the target. Had it been a full game, they would have lost by a bigger margin.

Lets be honest, BD lost the game fair and square just like Pakistan did on 23rd October. Fans who had unrealistic expectations from their team is not able to come to the terms with the reality and clinging onto any straws. In real world, they should blame their own team for losing against Zimbabwe.

We (Indian team) were exactly in similar situation 12 months ago. Not a single fan moaned/cried/complained etc. Ofcourse we were upset with our team but we took the defeat on the chin and moved onto the next. That is the hall mark of top sides. Even then I remember Pakistani fans were accusing Afghanistan team of deliberately losing against India so that later can qualify for semis.

Actually in last 3 ICC events, Pakistani fans have conjured some conspiracy theories:

2019 WC - Ind deliberatly lost to Eng so that Pak cant qualify

2021 T20 WC - Afg deliberately lost so that Ind can qualify

2022 T20 WC - India bought umpires

This is hilarious and sad to see at the same time.

Fakhar was run out after South African wicketkeeper, Quinton de Kock, appeared to signal that a throw from the deep was heading to the bowler's end.

De Kock was cleared by Officials.


South African skipper Temba Bavuma denied that de Kock's actions were against the rules

"It was quite clever from Quinny," he said.

"Maybe some people might criticise it for maybe not being in the spirit of the game. But it was an important wicket for us. Zaman was getting close to our target. Yeah, it was clever from Quinny.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This. No interaction between the batsmen & umpire. Not asking for third umpire to be involved. No official complaint to match referee after the match. Nothing.

Instead of just mouthing in front of the media, BCB should have involved the match officials. ICC board meeting means zilch in this case. What are they gonna do?

This is old habit of Bangladesh.

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/bangladesh-india-umpire-icc-dave-richardson-mustafa-kamal/2015-03-20

Read this.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Because the umpires deemed that De Kock wasn't attempting to deceive the batsmen but was signalling for someone to back up the stumps at the other end. Why do you think this wasn't penalised?

So umpires also thought that Kohli should not be penalized. Why umpires were right to have an opinion then, but not now?

 

[HitWicket]

So umpires also thought that Kohli should not be penalized. Why umpires were right to have an opinion then, but not now?

Signalling which end to throw at/to back up is a reasonable explanation for why someone would be pointing at an end that doesn't involve an attempt to deceive. There is no reasonable explanation for pretending to throw the ball other than to attempt to deceive.

 

[Messiah]

This is old habit of Bangladesh.

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/bangladesh-india-umpire-icc-dave-richardson-mustafa-kamal/2015-03-20

Read this.

India is worse: https://youtu.be/Hhk-gTGapwQ

Hypocritical statement from you, don't you think?

 

[wrongun]

That is not really a good analogy lol Shooting vs Fake shooting with no gun. With nothing in hand , throwing action with nobody watching will not make it "willful".

Deceive who? If nobody is watching who is he going to deceive?

Two parties have to be part of the act. Deceive the batsman. A fake throw with nobody watching is not going to deceive anybody. So this will not be interpreted as wilful. Because of abuse like this umpires interpret this law. in all the cases it happened before. At the international level no team was penalized with 5 runs. Bairstow pretended to run out Steve smith which forced him to make a dive. Umpire did not add 5 runs to Australian total. It was not penalized.

Willfully:
1. with the intention of causing harm; deliberately.
"she denies four charges of wilfully neglecting a patient"
2.
with a stubborn and determined intention to do as one wants, regardless of the consequences.
"he had wilfully ignored the evidence"

Read carefully again. See the word intent. Intent does not require a second party. Case closed.

 

[SportsWarrior]

Can you provide the video please?

. There is no link to give. If you have ESPN+ replay the game and check it out the 2:27. Not a single attempt by anyone. You can see kholi in the background while they show leg umpire angle.

 

[SportsWarrior]

Willfully:
1. with the intention of causing harm; deliberately.
"she denies four charges of wilfully neglecting a patient"
2.
with a stubborn and determined intention to do as one wants, regardless of the consequences.
"he had wilfully ignored the evidence"

Read carefully again. See the word intent. Intent does not require a second party. Case closed.

You still need to prove intent. So they needed to complain to the umpire who will take a call. Umpire call is final. Even if umpire determines intent it is upto them to award penalties. They coils be let off with a warning as it happened to Chandimal

 

[MenInG]

Well, Kohli did do “fake fielding”, not sure why anyone needs to justify why or if anything was gained by it.
But the fact is that the umpire didn’t see it and didn’t call it. Umpires often miss a clear LBW, thick edges, and do a lot wrong quite regularly. Whine about it for a few hours and move on!!!
You drive on the road way over the speed limit and the cop doesn’t catch you. Good for you, move on!

So umpires also thought that Kohli should not be penalized. Why umpires were right to have an opinion then, but not now?

The point here is that the Umpires did not see this or chose to ignore it.

If they had held an inquiry and deemed this to be OK, then that would be something else.

 

[MenInG]

BCCI president Roger Binny

The recent India-Bangladesh T20 World Cup Super 12 contest has generated some controversy as first Nurul Hasan accused Virat Kohli of fake fielding and there was some noise regarding the umpires starting the match quickly after a rain break.

"Not fair. I don't think we're favoured by ICC. Everyone gets the same treatment. No way in which you can say that. What do we get different from other teams? India is a big powerhouse in cricket but we're all treated the same"

NDTV

 

[wrongun]

You still need to prove intent. So they needed to complain to the umpire who will take a call. Umpire call is final. Even if umpire determines intent it is upto them to award penalties. They coils be let off with a warning as it happened to Chandimal

Why do a fake throw if the intention is not to deceive?

As a neutral observer, it's one of a number of dodgy calls which have all fallen India's way.

And the way Kohli also acts like he is allowed to be the umpire out there while batting is also on the nose.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Why do a fake throw if the intention is not to deceive?

As a neutral observer, it's one of a number of dodgy calls which have all fallen India's way.

And the way Kohli also acts like he is allowed to be the umpire out there while batting is also on the nose.

Exactly this. How can fans defend Kohli's fake throw here? Umpire can be given a benefit of doubt here but not Kohli.

 

[Boxer]

This will be the last T20 WC for a lot of ageing Ind players Ash, DK, Hitman, Bhuvi, etc and they will lift the cup just like Sachin did in 2011

 

[Hitman]

This will be the last T20 WC for a lot of ageing Ind players Ash, DK, Hitman, Bhuvi, etc and they will lift the cup just like Sachin did in 2011

Goodness! Let us reach the finals in the first place.

 

[Kriketer]

This will be the last T20 WC for a lot of ageing Ind players Ash, DK, Hitman, Bhuvi, etc and they will lift the cup just like Sachin did in 2011

Don't get those teary eyes just yet. You barely made it by last ball against both Bangladesh and Pakistan and SA defeated India, and one could say one major reason why you won the two games is because umpiring blunders, if you give those benefits per ruling and law of cricket then India wouldn't have even won against Bangladesh and Pakistan. India is also quite an average team so they likely aren't winning this, those aging players should really thank the umpires but umpire could really take you to an extent

As for the topic, Kholi obviously "cheated". I initlaly had doubts but after watching the clips, it's actually quite disgusting that a player of his calibre and experience would do something that stupid. The law is there and he simply broke the law.

 

[MenInG]

The T20 World Cup Super 12 match between India and Bangladesh witnessed some high drama and it was Rohit Sharma & Co that came out on the right side of the result by 5 runs. After the game, Bangladesh wicketkeeper Nurul Hasan accused Virat Kohli of 'fake fielding'. Hasan had said that his side should have been awarded five penalty runs because of the actions of the former India skipper.

On the eve of Bangladesh's T20 World Cup match against Pakistan, head coach Sridharan Sriram, on Saturday, said that he did spoke to the fourth umpire, but in the end, the final decision was taken by the on-field officials.

"No, we are not here to offer any excuses. I did speak to the fourth umpire as soon as it happened, but I think it was the on-field umpire's call, and that's what we were told, but we're not here to offer any excuses," Sriram said in a pre-match press conference.

Bangladesh were running away with the game against India as they were 66/0 in 7 overs while chasing 185. However, a rain delay forced the match to be shortened to 16 overs with the revised target being 151.

Bangladesh's batting was not able to rise to the challenge after the break, and hence they fell five runs short.

"Well, it was quite frantic for that brief 10, 12 minutes, which is understandable. I think the boys, nine runs an over or 9.75 runs an over, definitely I think the pressure got to them a little bit," said the Bangladesh coach.

"Yeah, it was a little bit of a frantic 15, 20 minutes if I can put it, yes," he added.

NDTV

 

[Raja Ishtiaq]

PCB and BCB should lodge a joint complaint to the ICC against India.

Both teams have been screwed over by them.

 

[jino]

It was a fake throw. I don’t think it would impact the match result. When the fielder attempts fake throw the umpire is supposed to signal dead ball and Bangladesh would have lost the 2 runs they scored on that ball. So Bangladesh would only get 3 more runs from penalty.

 

[sweep_shot]

It was a fake throw. I don’t think it would impact the match result. When the fielder attempts fake throw the umpire is supposed to signal dead ball and Bangladesh would have lost the 2 runs they scored on that ball. So Bangladesh would only get 3 more runs from penalty.

Penalty is 5 runs. Not 3.

Those 5 runs could've caused a super over. BD lost the game by 5 runs.

 

[jino]

True Penalty is 5 runs. But Bangladesh ran 2 runs on that particular delivery. Those 2 runs would have been taken off as that ball would be considered dead ball for fake throw. With dead ball , they don’t count the runs scored by batters for that particular delivery. Even with fake throw, Bangladesh would have lost by 2 runs.

 

[bala977]

Cricket has always been a game of glorious uncertainties. I find it painful that fans would rather cope by mud slinging and trashing India, than by acknowledging that the team that held its nerve won.

And btw, as some other poster had mentioned, ICC rule is clear that even had it been declared as a fake throw, and India did exactly what they did without altering their tactics, the result would be the same as Bangladesh would have gained 5 runs, but lost the 2 runs they ran, which means a net increase of 3 runs - would have still lost the game even if India bowled the same lines and same lengths 41.5.3 If either umpire considers that a fielder has caused or attempted to cause such a distraction, deception or obstruction, he/she shall immediately call and signal Dead ball and inform the other umpire of the reason for the call. 41.5.4 Neither batsman shall be dismissed from that delivery

And people want to go by the word of Nurul Hasan? Someone who averages 16 in T20s and someone who has achieved NOTHING in international cricket even after playing for the last 7-8 years? Bravo to you.

 

[IMMY69]

Two points:

1. kohli cheated but most Indian fans here refuse to acknowledge that.

2. Posts 148 and 149... to these posters... really? You think that by taking 2 runs away and giving 5 runs would have resulted in a 3 run loss? I mean really?
The logic is bewildering

Actually I would like to add a third point as it's just so funny...

3. Jnaveen1980, pure comedy gold regarding intent. you were already schooled and I hope you've understood it now

 

[sweep_shot]

Cricket has always been a game of glorious uncertainties. I find it painful that fans would rather cope by mud slinging and trashing India, than by acknowledging that the team that held its nerve won.

And btw, as some other poster had mentioned, ICC rule is clear that even had it been declared as a fake throw, and India did exactly what they did without altering their tactics, the result would be the same as Bangladesh would have gained 5 runs, but lost the 2 runs they ran, which means a net increase of 3 runs - would have still lost the game even if India bowled the same lines and same lengths 41.5.3 If either umpire considers that a fielder has caused or attempted to cause such a distraction, deception or obstruction, he/she shall immediately call and signal Dead ball and inform the other umpire of the reason for the call. 41.5.4 Neither batsman shall be dismissed from that delivery

And people want to go by the word of Nurul Hasan? Someone who averages 16 in T20s and someone who has achieved NOTHING in international cricket even after playing for the last 7-8 years? Bravo to you.

Penalty doesn't work that way.

Penalty means additional 5 runs. It doesn't matter if they got 2 runs.

 

[bala977]

Two points:

1. kohli cheated but most Indian fans here refuse to acknowledge that.

2. Posts 148 and 149... to these posters... really? You think that by taking 2 runs away and giving 5 runs would have resulted in a 3 run loss? I mean really?
The logic is bewildering

Pray tell - I would love to hear your logic. You speak generically without making a point

1) the whole purpose of this post is to claim that Bangladesh would have tied/won the game had it not been for Umpires missing the fake throw - conveniently ignoring that India would have changed tactics too in the last over if number of runs required to win was less

2) now that it has been proved that Bangladesh would have still lost, don’t think BD can continue to claim that they would have tied/won if umpires had spotted it - they should drop this, about time …

 

[bala977]

Penalty doesn't work that way.

Penalty means additional 5 runs. It doesn't matter if they got 2 runs.

WRONG. It becomes a dead ball - so no runs can be scored.

 

[IMMY69]

Pray tell - I would love to hear your logic. You speak generically without making a point

1) the whole purpose of this post is to claim that Bangladesh would have tied/won the game had it not been for Umpires missing the fake throw - conveniently ignoring that India would have changed tactics too in the last over if number of runs required to win was less

2) now that it has been proved that Bangladesh would have still lost, don’t think BD can continue to claim that they would have tied/won if umpires had spotted it - they should drop this, about time …

Oh no not you too

I'm not going to explain how little things here and there make a difference it the final outcome of the game.
A drop catch here a boundary there. Trying to get 20 runs in the last over as opposed to 13 etc etc little things that can change the final outcome, a victory or a loss by a bigger or smaller margin...
Oh look I just explained it.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Busy few days ahead for Bangladesh Cricket Board:<br><br>Unhappy that umpires took no action against Virat Kohli for fake fielding<br><br>Unhappy umpires ignored Shakib Al Hasan's request to delay the restart due to a wet outfield<br><br>And no doubt unhappy with Shakib lbw decision<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/T20WorldCup?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#T20WorldCup</a> <a href="https://t.co/TnPurS97Es">pic.twitter.com/TnPurS97Es</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1589124813859102721?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2022</a></blockquote>
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