Nikhil_cric
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Just like Zainab Abbas and Waqar then.Thanks for admitting Indians are bigots.
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Just like Zainab Abbas and Waqar then.Thanks for admitting Indians are bigots.
You are welcome as you want to breathe easy thinking u had the last word, the ones who read my post know who had the final word.Thanks for admitting Indians are bigots.
I am asking you a straight question bring me video or picture where shami was doing sajda on ground ,he haven't took first time five wicket haul and shami is playing even in that time when Congress used to rule so how you concluded he was about to do sajda?
“Sabse pehle Allah Tala ka shukar ada karna chahta hoon”… check it out on the internetDid he ?.. he said 'shukhar adha karta hu'...
Maybe that was as much he knew he could do ... And was interrupted too
“Sabse pehle Allah Tala ka shukar ada karna chahta hoon”… check it out on the internet
when team doesn't perform somehow something have to console ,How the hell india is demolishing everyone, i hope Babar continue to perform 50(70) and they gets again busy in calling him King Bradman Babar that's still better than these threadI dont get it why Indians got so triggered that they are now resorting to personal attacks.
Like only joshila was able to say maybe that guy wasnt doing a sajdah, while the rest have gone crazy and dont know what narrative they ne
Right, the way Kaneria treated Afridi during his playing day was disgraceful.
Btw where is the 'Youhanna' of Yusuf nowdays?
Abuse was from Pakistani bot accs, unfortunately.I’ll never forget the brutal abuse Arshdeep faced after that dropped catch in the Asia Cup. And now he is out of the side on the basis on non cricketing reason.
Shami knew he’d face the same fate had he expressed his faith. It’s very sad.
That's really pathetic thinking.Youhanna converted by choice, read my reply post #35.
Was Kaneria ever prevented from thanking or giving credit to Baghwan in his interviews? I know he has been badmouthing team mates for trying to get him to convert, but he was well within his rights to say no thanks, and that's no doubt what he did. He could also have responded by asking them to become low caste Hindus instead.
So now you admit that it was assumption that's what I was saying maybe your rightOk, so what was he about to do then? Was he doing a cat-cow yoga stretch?
Nice one broDo you share any sympathy for how pakistani hindus get treated. 1000s of hindu girls are forced to convert every year, raped and treated like 3rd class citizens. And non Muslims can't be elected as president or pm in pak while in India we have had multiple Muslim presidents. And why are you making religion an issue. India won and everyone is loving shami while your team is the biggest joke in the tournament
Youhanna converted by choice, read my reply post #35.
Was Kaneria ever prevented from thanking or giving credit to Baghwan in his interviews? I know he has been badmouthing team mates for trying to get him to convert, but he was well within his rights to say no thanks, and that's no doubt what he did. He could also have responded by asking them to become low caste Hindus instead.
Feared a lynching
This seemed odd, he went into a position where he would have done a Sajda but then seemed to stop?
So now you admit that it was assumption that's what I was saying maybe your right
I have also an assumption that he was touching ground to sense Tremors of earthquake he caused are enough devastating to make it ripples goes across the border.
For your info I am gonna tell you that I don't like Modi and his andhbhakts even a bit but we love our nation and won't Welcome a farce agenda just like this sajda-gate here, we are 20% and strong community and no one can stop us exercising our faith you are misinformed.
During the apartheid era they had a concept of honoury whites.According to some experts here Shami won't play for India anymore after this statement.
Yeah I’m sure Shami is really feeling bad right now and would rather be in Pakistan than India.
What did he say or do that was overboard.Unfortunately Rizwan was the reason for Waqar's comment. Then the Gaza comment irked Indians. We all know Rizzy is already overboard with the religious stuff as it is. Jai Shri Ram chants happened amidst a perfect storm and that too in Modi stadium in front of patriotic gujjus. It's a one off
You would be surprised..India as a country and Indian cricket team keeps religion out of sports. You will never see an Indian player thanking god or saying jai shriram during post match presentations.
You would be surprised..
The concept of doing Sajdah never really came from Pakistan originally. But it came from india the first prominent event of this.
Because prostrating is something that was often seen in sufism and sufism played a major part in the subcontinent, that even Guru nanak admired sufism.
Yup he will do it in the 2027 WC after winning the MoM against Pakistan making it 9-0Next time Inshallah, you will do it Shami.
Yup he will do it in the 2027 WC after winning the MoM against Pakistan making it 9-0
And it was his choice that he didn't do it. So why are we crying here as if he was deprived. As far as "no need" goes, it's my opinion.Oh I'm sure plenty would have cared.What's "no need" supposed to mean here? It's someone's choice if he wants to do it. Full stop.
yes and to a Sajda also seems to be a problem.
and yet praying and doing a sajdah in india is a problem.
I dont get it why Indians got so triggered that they are now resorting to personal attacks.
Like only joshila was able to say maybe that guy wasnt doing a sajdah, while the rest have gone crazy and dont know what narrative they need to follow for this crises.
Exactly, who's to say if he even practices or not. He could be like Shahukh Khan.Shami should fear only Allah(One true God). Hopefully next time he intends to perform Sajdah he'll not think about any sort of backlash or repercussions
Some even propagated that Arshdeep is dropped because of non cricketing reasons. Reality is that he was dropped from Odis only where his performance was poor and we had better options. He was a part of WI T20I series and then our Asian Games squad.Some padosi experts
Yes, it troubles us that sensible people like you repeatedly try to dig out controversies when there are none. I remember when SL lost India earlier this year by 319 runs you created a post seeking ICC/SLC to investigate it. Surprised yoy didn't bumop that thread to seek another investigation or does not not warrant as Sl loss will suit Pakistan.Connection?
Stay on topic.
Do you see anything odd in that video that troubles you?
Then why were Pakistani players constantly asking him to convert and also did not eat food with Kaneria. He himself has mentione this? Oh yes, this narrative doesn't suit you.Pakistani Christians and Hindus should certainly feel free to express their thanks to their deities, it was always a source of pride for me when we had players like Youhanna, Dalpat and Kaneria representing, if they wanted to thank Jesus or Baghwan, why would anyone object?
Success and failure are part of everyone's life.Probably just stopped from doing sajda because those indulging in it seem to be failures anyway .
Do you think shami can eat beef in front of the Indian squadThen why were Pakistani players constantly asking him to convert and also did not eat food with Kaneria. He himself has mentione this? Oh yes, this narrative doesn't suit you.
then why are Ahmedis not considered Muslims in Pakistan? Can they make goat sacrifices on Bakrid? Can they call their place of worship as Masjids? In India, they have all the rights. India is a better place for Muslims than Pakistan. Pakistanis have failed Jinnah.Point is: Pakistan declared it will be an ISLAMIC state in 1947
India said it will be SECULAR and so millions of Muslims decided to stay back and not migrate to Pakistan
Is India really secular now?
I also feel really bad for Indian Muslims brothers as they have to see the country they decided to stay back in lose KNOCKOUT games in ICC events for the last 10 years
Shoaib Akhtar had revealed that his teammates refused to eat with Danish Kaneria. You would want God to bring such discrimination on everyone?Name one BOWLER in cricketing history who got to play 61 test matches with a mediocre average 34?
Only Danish Kaneria- if he was "discriminated " may God bring such discrimination on everyone
Yousaf Youhana had already CAPTAINED Pakistan in a few matches before he converted
Dude the cow is sacred to them. We have the Holy Book and Prophet sacred to us, would you like it if they bring them into the discussion?Do you think shami can eat beef in front of the Indian squad
Also This has balaji vibes to it
No point making shami a martyr over it
Point is whilst Pakistan declared itself to be an Islamic state, is it really an Islamic state in reality, does it resemble anything your Quaid late Mr Jinnah envisioned? Do you really want me to type what his vision of Pakistan was?? Is Pakistan anywhere near an Islamic state, except for name?Point is: Pakistan declared it will be an ISLAMIC state in 1947
India said it will be SECULAR and so millions of Muslims decided to stay back and not migrate to Pakistan
Is India really secular now?
I also feel really bad for Indian Muslims brothers as they have to see the country they decided to stay back in lose KNOCKOUT games in ICC events for the last 10 years
Point is: Pakistan declared it will be an ISLAMIC state in 1947
India said it will be SECULAR and so millions of Muslims decided to stay back and not migrate to Pakistan
Is India really secular now?
I also feel really bad for Indian Muslims brothers as they have to see the country they decided to stay back in lose KNOCKOUT games in ICC events for the last 10 years
But we know though. Don't we?.Man I can shred this post and misconception of yours to pieces but lets stick to Shami and cricket since its the cricket section.
If you want to know more about India's secularism and how Indian muslims are treated, pls open a thread in Time Pass section. I will then exactly let you know what is where and when.
Afghanistan is going to play at Ahmedabad.We will see whether there will be any slogans are directed at them or not.If nothing happens, we have to treat it as one off gesture directed towards Waqar/Rizwan combo.And then Pakistanis wonder why the hostility in Ahmedabad. Afghans and Bangladeshis are Muslim nations and their fans never bother about all this needless stuff. Pakistanis the self appointed thekedaars of ummat who have over the last half a century eaten up their minorities into non existence wanna talk about all this, ridiculous unawareness of reality.
Sajda is Islamic Prayer , right? I often see Pakistani players doing it after getting 50s. I am not sure I have seen other nationalities doing prayer in middle of a cricket match often.It is shameful to see that Indian Muslim success stories cause so much pain and frustration for Pakistanis.
Shami is a proud Indian. He is proud to represent India. He is a hero to all Indian cricket fans not just Muslim cricket fans.
If given a choice, he would never want to turn the clock back to 1947 and have his forefathers leave India for Pakistan.
If India win the World Cup and he performs a sajdah, he won’t become any less of a hero to any Indian.
You will find successful Indian Muslims in every field and it is hard for Pakistanis to digest this but Indian Muslims don’t wish that they were Pakistanis.
Pakistan has done nothing or achieved nothing in 76 years to make Indian Muslims look at Pakistani Muslims with envy.
Perhaps if Pakistan was like UAE or another modern, successful, rich first world Muslim country, Indian Muslims would be envious, but what would they be envious of now?
Freedom for Muslims? What freedom? 3,000+ Shia Muslims have been killed in Pakistan over the last 15 years.
Pakistan has spent the last 76 years promoting propaganda against India but it has gained nothing out of it except humiliation.
The whole premise of this thread is negated by Shami thanking Allah in his post match interview. If he abandoned the sajdah because he was afraid of the backlash, he wouldn’t have thanked Allah either.
Pakistan’s biggest problem is looking at everything from the lens of religion. One could argue that religion is all Pakistan have because it is the reason for its existence and it has no identity without it, but Pakistan does have an identity.
A cultural identity that it shares with India and it should have embraced this identity. If they had done so, they would not be in this position today.
76 years of enmity and hatred can also be converted into 760 years of peace and harmony but that can only happen when Pakistani stop looking at everything from the Muslim vs Hindu perspective.
The Indian subcontinent is about cultures and not religion. The Two Nation Theory that was the reason why Pakistan existed in the first place failed with flying colors 24 years after independence.
The subcontinent is not about two or three or four religions coexisting but rather, it is about celebrating the cultural diversity of one of the most incredible regions of the world.
India has raced ahead of Pakistan in all facets because they sold their amazing culture to the world not Hinduism while Pakistan decides to sell its religion not its diverse culture.
The way he had his hands on his knees and the posture is typical way of going down for sajda.Or he may have been tired after bowling 5 overs of fast bowling?
Exactly .we all know that from where is this hate coming .What a way to make a mountain of a molehill. Shami went on his knees and then he was mobbed by his team mates. Not sure if he was planning to do a sajda or just wanted to kiss the pitch but whatever he was going to do he only stopped because the entire team was running towards him to congratulate. It has nothing to do with him not wanting to do something because of fear. Some miscreants on social media spewing some hate on Shami will not make him scared to do what he believes in. So stop making this a big deal and bringing in politics. India has biggest stars and cricketers who are Muslims. So they don't need to worry about anything, if they want to do something they will and no one will question them. Every country has some idiots on social media who can trend anything these days and that doesn't become the representation of 1.4 B people.
So you meant if shami would've done sajda india ,India definately will get World Cup , How many times Paksitan even qualified even for semifinal and their player always doing sajda on ground ?He’ll be crying along with Kohli when they get dumped out in the semi’s so who cares if he tried then changed his mind!
The majority of the Pakistani nation are too concerned with there own day to day life and the state of the country to be bothered about Shami!
Finally someone talks some sense with facts. I was reading the entire thread & waiting someone to mention these, but unfortunately no one did. 90% of posts have been basically mocking each other's religion, nationality & personal taunts.Personally, this is an unnecessary discussion that shouldn’t have been brought up.
But by the same token reading some of the comments in this thread I feel a few things need to be corrected.
Kaneria has no credibility because he got more chances than any spinner ever deserved in the Pakistan team. Just because we didn’t want to support a fixer after he was disgraced himself he comes out with all his current nonsense and also trying to gain Indian fans on his YouTube channel that noone cares about.
Secondly, how would Pakistanis react. Well Yousuf when he was Youhana regularly crossed himself after milestones and noone batted an eyelid.
There is definitely a connection , a very obvious one. This is in response to those who are feeling bad for Shami being an Indian.Once again, connection?
I ask you the same, do you see anything odd in this video?
He didn't quite know how to explain this. "No rocket science. Just a matter of rhythm, good food, keep your mind uncluttered, and, most importantly, the love of the people. The support we get in India has a huge role. When you go out of India, you get so much support from Indians. So I will keep trying to make everyone happy.
only country and first country to land on South Pole . US is a global super power out of reach for every one. Why compare any country with US?That's the problem. All media houses have been baught by the BJP government so that it can project to naive people like you that India is doing well generally.
Their foreign policy is a failure with a small country like Qatar giving death sentence to 8 of their former navy officers.
In sports, they only won ONE gold medal at the last Olympics. 1.4 billion population and ONLY one gold.
When they hosted the Commonwealth Games in 2010, it was a DISASTER. I doubt they would get to host any world event of relevance in the next 100 years atleast.
Went to the moon some 50 years after the US. The US had done all the R&D. Even copying it took them more than 50 years but celebrate it like some big achievement.
Who are the Sikhs?I think BCCI might be the one really frowning upon any display of religion on the cricket ground. There are 7 Hindus, 2 Sikhs and 2 Muslims in our current playing 11- wonder how the others would take it if each religious group starts to pray to its own god after every milestone? Team unity would then go for a toss and there will surely be infighting within the group.
In fact I am all for banning religious gestures on the cricket field - let the player do whatever he wants in the locker room, but none on the ground.
Theres only one ShubmanWho are the Sikhs?
Bumrah and GillWho are the Sikhs?