[VIDEO] "Muslims do not fall into the equal category" : Senior BJP MP Subramanian Swamy

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The RSS inspired BJP leadership in the 21st century openly speaking about the 200 million Muslims just as the Nazis spoke about the Jews. <a href="https://t.co/MUiyqpgGDJ">pic.twitter.com/MUiyqpgGDJ</a></p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1245942118339706880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 3, 2020</a></blockquote>
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[Rajdeep]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The RSS inspired BJP leadership in the 21st century openly speaking about the 200 million Muslims just as the Nazis spoke about the Jews. <a href="https://t.co/MUiyqpgGDJ">pic.twitter.com/MUiyqpgGDJ</a></p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1245942118339706880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 3, 2020</a></blockquote>
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Swami replied:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He obviously has no work assigned to him as PM by the Pak military and ISI except to bad mouth India. The treatment of Hindus and Sikhs today in Pakistan especially denying them food is one step away from genocide</p>— Subramanian Swamy (@Swamy39) <a href="https://twitter.com/Swamy39/status/1245949916641255426?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Romali_rotti]

Swami replied:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He obviously has no work assigned to him as PM by the Pak military and ISI except to bad mouth India. The treatment of Hindus and Sikhs today in Pakistan especially denying them food is one step away from genocide</p>— Subramanian Swamy (@Swamy39) <a href="https://twitter.com/Swamy39/status/1245949916641255426?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Wow what a brutal reply from Swamy, that's quite mean.... lol

 

[Abdullah719]

"We know where the Muslim population is large there is always trouble — because the Islamic ideology says so."

"If Muslim [population] becomes more than 30 per cent [in any country], that country is in danger."

"No, not all people are equal, Muslims do not fall into the equal category."

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Do Indians and BJP supporters specifically agree with these comments?

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A perfect fascist & racist ideologue. <br>BJP leader & MP Subramanian Swamy clearly expresses his venom for Indian Muslims as he considers them non-citizens not deserving equal rights & believes Muslims are ‘trouble’.<br>Hitler would have loved this guy <a href="https://t.co/qHcXfLmMy8">pic.twitter.com/qHcXfLmMy8</a></p>— Ali Haider Zaidi (@AliHZaidiPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/AliHZaidiPTI/status/1245747715948130305?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2020</a></blockquote>
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[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is as brilliant as it can get. Subramanian Swamy: “All people are not equal...There’s no such thing as equal rights...”<br><br>From CAA to Delhi violence to Corona mass fleeing of the poor, aren’t we seeing the practical demonstration of this dictum getting played out in India? <a href="https://t.co/jEZVBCL2Rl">https://t.co/jEZVBCL2Rl</a></p>— Vinod K. Jose (@vinodjose) <a href="https://twitter.com/vinodjose/status/1245715571439620096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2020</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Happened to watch a vile, Islamophobic & totally unhinged interview with Subramanian Swamy. In a time of extreme crisis, this jerk apes white supremacists. He is a bitter man, wallowing in his own filth. I pity him.</p>— Salman Anees Soz (@SalmanSoz) <a href="https://twitter.com/SalmanSoz/status/1245908296852258823?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 3, 2020</a></blockquote>
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[GBK_Fan]

"We know where the Muslim population is large there is always trouble — because the Islamic ideology says so."

"If Muslim [population] becomes more than 30 per cent [in any country], that country is in danger."

"No, not all people are equal, Muslims do not fall into the equal category."

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Do Indians and BJP supporters specifically agree with these comments?

Swamy is a known hardliner and keeps on giving controversial statements to remain relevant. He is such a loose cannon that he is not included in the union cabinet even when the cabinet is filled with morons. Learn to ignore him.

 

[Kriketer]

Looks like Imran's tweet hurt the little man's big fascist feelings

Imran doesn't criticise and give hateful speeches about minorities, instead always speaks about supporting and being just with them.

Keep it up Imran, keep exposing them. World listens to you more as being an educated intelligent man than these hate filled jahil goons of sarak chap Chai wala's party.

 

[IMMY69]

Wow what a brutal reply from Swamy, that's quite mean.... lol

What has become of you?

 

[Rajdeep]

"We know where the Muslim population is large there is always trouble — because the Islamic ideology says so."

"If Muslim [population] becomes more than 30 per cent [in any country], that country is in danger."

"No, not all people are equal, Muslims do not fall into the equal category."

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Do Indians and BJP supporters specifically agree with these comments?

I am seeing lots of Pakistani verified twitter account holders, including PM himself, is posting this video clip. What is the reason of posting an old clip amidst of an ongoing global cricis? Should the PM not be focussing on Coronavirus more than what 1 MP is saying in India? What is he trying to achieve?

As far as this video is concerned, one can only comment after listening to the full interview. A small piece of 2 mins means nothing.

I think PM of a nation should focus on bigger things than quoting some random videos in twitter.

 

[Abdullah719]

I am seeing lots of Pakistani verified twitter account holders, including PM himself, is posting this video clip. What is the reason of posting an old clip amidst of an ongoing global cricis? Should the PM not be focussing on Coronavirus more than what 1 MP is saying in India? What is he trying to achieve?

As far as this video is concerned, one can only comment after listening to the full interview. A small piece of 2 mins means nothing.

I think PM of a nation should focus on bigger things than quoting some random videos in twitter.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India has been engulfed in riots after suddenly stripping nearly 2M people of their citizenship.<a href="https://twitter.com/IsobelYeung?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IsobelYeung</a> travels to India to see how a newly-enacted law has signaled to India's 200M Muslims that they are the true target.<br><br>Watch <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/VICEonSHO?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#VICEonSHO</a> Sunday at 8 PM ET on <a href="https://twitter.com/Showtime?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Showtime</a>. <a href="https://t.co/gFjCEmu0bh">pic.twitter.com/gFjCEmu0bh</a></p>— VICE News (@vicenews) <a href="https://twitter.com/vicenews/status/1245413627504414720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 1, 2020</a></blockquote>
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The clip is from 1st April.

In another thread yesterday, you explained that he is a man of reasoning.

Can you please explain the reasoning behind these comments?

 

[Deewana Mastana]

What a despicable and vile individual he is does not even matter that he went to Harvard.

These videos were doing the rounds on social media and happened to open one up but after maybe 20 secs just closed them after what utter garbage he spits out.

 

[Romali_rotti]

What has become of you?

I have nothing against Pakistanis, I always wished Pakistan well. However I do have issues with Kashmiris major ones, unforgivable issues. However Swamy has a point to the post I was replying to, Imran spouts so much about India, it makes you wonder how does he have so much spare time as a Pak PM ? Lets be honest if ISI did not want Imran, he wouldnt be PM today...

 

[Rajdeep]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India has been engulfed in riots after suddenly stripping nearly 2M people of their citizenship.<a href="https://twitter.com/IsobelYeung?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IsobelYeung</a> travels to India to see how a newly-enacted law has signaled to India's 200M Muslims that they are the true target.<br><br>Watch <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/VICEonSHO?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#VICEonSHO</a> Sunday at 8 PM ET on <a href="https://twitter.com/Showtime?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Showtime</a>. <a href="https://t.co/gFjCEmu0bh">pic.twitter.com/gFjCEmu0bh</a></p>— VICE News (@vicenews) <a href="https://twitter.com/vicenews/status/1245413627504414720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 1, 2020</a></blockquote>
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The clip is from 1st April.

In another thread yesterday, you explained that he is a man of reasoning.

Can you please explain the reasoning behind these comments?

Fair enough...its not old video. But one can only comment after watching the whole episode. The interview has not been aired yet and we are jumping into conclusions just by watching the promo? Its like giving judgement on a movie by just watching the trailer.

Let the interview being aired first on sunday, let us all see it and then lets come to the conclusion.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

What a despicable man.

 

[Yossarian]

"No, not all people are equal, Muslims do not fall into the equal category."

Considering it was Muslim invaders who conquered and ruled over India, whilst the Hindus of the sub-Continent, despite their massive numbers, having never managed to venture out of the sub-Continent to conquer and rule over anybody, never mind the peoples and lands where Islam (and India's Muslim conquerors and rulers) originated I can see why he's making that statement. Such an inferiority complex even in this day and age.

 

[MP2011]

Lol at bhakts. Still need it to be aired to form their gutter level opinions about something which is so crystal clear.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Wow what a brutal reply from Swamy, that's quite mean.... lol

Damn your standards are low.

To make it worse, he had to lie to reply )

No Hindu was denied rations.

Do the Sanghis never question their leaders?

They still believe Pakistan's Hindu population went from 23% to 2%.

Utter Idiots

 

[MenInG]

What has become of you?

Problem isnt Swamy as he is just one man - but people who actually follow him.

 

[Ronaldo7]

I have nothing against Pakistanis, I always wished Pakistan well. However I do have issues with Kashmiris major ones, unforgivable issues. However Swamy has a point to the post I was replying to, Imran spouts so much about India, it makes you wonder how does he have so much spare time as a Pak PM ? Lets be honest if ISI did not want Imran, he wouldnt be PM today...

This shows how much interest you have in Pakistani politics.

I, and many other Pakistan couldn't even tell you who is your COAS. Was it Rashat or something?

Also, you must be quite stupid tbh to think that IK himself is tweeting this.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Problem isnt Swamy as he is just one man - but people who actually follow him.

His followers are full on trying to blame the muslims.

Sharing old videos, pics etc.

 

[IndianHero]

What a shame ! Being a senior leader he should have refrained from making such statements. But unfortunately some ppl don't get maturity even if they age.


Even BJP leadership don't take this guy seriously that's the reason if you observe neither in 2014 nor in 2019 BJP awarded him any cabinet minister ship as they knew this guy will simply loose talk all day & do nothing else.

 

[Abdullah719]

Stick to the topic of the thread.

 

[pillionrider]

Subbu Swamy is a flapping fish that even Modiji can't get a grip on. He is a confusing man. A man married to a Parsi, whose daughter's married to a Muslim. Someone who pretty much won the Ram Mandir case for the BJP. But also has fought on behalf of Muslims in the Supreme Court (don't ask me what, no idea - saw an interview where a Muslim leader said this about Subbu).

I'd wait to see the full context before going bananas.

In any case, the tweet's wordings accompanying the video are sensationalist.

 

[Varun]

Typical BJP.

Zero IQ and sense of leadership.

It wasn't like this in the Vajpayee days.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Typical BJP.

Zero IQ and sense of leadership.

It wasn't like this in the Vajpayee days.

You don't know vajpayee.

 

[Varun]

You don't know vajpayee.

Neither do you, but we have to make an observation from the 5 years of his reign and compare it to the current BJP rowdies.

 

[Saj]

If I were a Muslim in India I would be sickened by these comments.

What's even more alarming is that we live amongst idiots who support these views.

 

[Sirris]

Swami replied:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He obviously has no work assigned to him as PM by the Pak military and ISI except to bad mouth India. The treatment of Hindus and Sikhs today in Pakistan especially denying them food is one step away from genocide</p>— Subramanian Swamy (@Swamy39) <a href="https://twitter.com/Swamy39/status/1245949916641255426?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Swami's claim that Hindus and Sikhs are being denied food is a white lie which has been discussed in this thread:

Thread: No evidence supports Indian news agency’s baseless story claiming Hindus denied rations in Karachi

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ory-claiming-Hindus-denied-rations-in-Karachi

It's funny because when concerned people in Pakistan investigated the supposed discrimination in charity relief against non-Muslims as reported by Indian media, some Indians were saying there's no need to expose these claims as lies since they are obviously ignorable propaganda attempts.

Well now we can all see why it's important to get to the bottom of a simple social media rumor. Indian top politicians seem to take those rumors as established facts.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

Where are the superstars of India? Amitabh Bachchan, Sachin, Kohli, shahrukh etc. who is coming out to condemn this? Where is the PM of modi?

This might create another Pakistan.

 

[Slog]

Lol he says this but in reality Indians are falling over themselves to get to Muslim countries in the Middle East and work

 

[Slog]

Fair enough...its not old video. But one can only comment after watching the whole episode. The interview has not been aired yet and we are jumping into conclusions just by watching the promo? Its like giving judgement on a movie by just watching the trailer.

Let the interview being aired first on sunday, let us all see it and then lets come to the conclusion.

Lol what exactly could he every say that would set the context to make these statements justifiable? Man talk about clutching at straws

 

[Kroll]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The RSS inspired BJP leadership in the 21st century openly speaking about the 200 million Muslims just as the Nazis spoke about the Jews. <a href="https://t.co/MUiyqpgGDJ">pic.twitter.com/MUiyqpgGDJ</a></p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1245942118339706880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 3, 2020</a></blockquote>
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Dude's just trying to live upto his initials.

 

[troodon]

Imran the twitter warrior strikes again. He is more worried about India than Pakistan.

That being said, Swamy is an A-grade buffoon. He should be kicked out of India for his pathetic statements.

 

[Rajdeep]

Lol what exactly could he every say that would set the context to make these statements justifiable? Man talk about clutching at straws

That is why we need to watch the entire episode before coming to any conclusion. He was talking about article 14 and just when he was trying to explain video ends abruptly. Lets keep the apetite for the full episode and only then we can get a better sense.

If he is simply saying muslims in India are not equal...then obviously he is wrong. There is nothing to even debate.

But my hunch is...he is talking more about why muslims are excluded from CAA bill and if this not a violation of article 14.

 

[Syed1]

Seems as if IK's tweet hit HARD

 

[Sirris]

Fair enough...its not old video. But one can only comment after watching the whole episode. The interview has not been aired yet and we are jumping into conclusions just by watching the promo? Its like giving judgement on a movie by just watching the trailer.

Let the interview being aired first on sunday, let us all see it and then lets come to the conclusion.

That's actually a good and rational attitude to have. Before coming to any quick conclusions look at the whole context and the evidence. Can't argue against it.

I hope you keep up the same attitude when you come across a small clip of a jahil Mullah or Jihadist calling for destruction of all non-Muslims. I hope you demonstrate the same rationality and do not react hysterically and start believing all 1.8 billion Muslims follow the same thought process and are secretly out there to get you.

 

[Local.Dada]

The vice journalist herself seems like a dumb hipster bimbo without any research.

Muslims from other can absolutely become citizens of India under the regular immigration act. Immigration act is still the same

This is act is for the “ persecuted minorities” of neighboring counties. I mean how thick are people not to see the difference.

Are Muslims persecuted minorities in Afghan,Pak and Bangladesh?

There is stupidity and then there is the dangerous blind ignorance

 

[troodon]

Where are the superstars of India? Amitabh Bachchan, Sachin, Kohli, shahrukh etc. who is coming out to condemn this? Where is the PM of modi?

This might create another Pakistan.

Superstars know that they are stars today because of the majority of population. They will not say or do anything that can anger the core of their base. They will keep quiet and hope that the frenzy dies down soon. Worked for them before.

India is full of shameless politicians who can say stuff with impunity knowing very well that they can easily get away with it. In any western country, it will be the end of that politicians career. But in India, they can pander to their vote base by saying outrageous things about minorities.

India is a false democracy. Spoken words have no implications. Anybody can say anything.

 

[ahmedzee]

What has become of you?

What else you expect from a hindutva member?

 

[Ronaldo7]

The vice journalist herself seems like a dumb hipster bimbo without any research.

Muslims from other can absolutely become citizens of India under the regular immigration act. Immigration act is still the same

This is act is for the “ persecuted minorities” of neighboring counties. I mean how thick are people not to see the difference.

Are Muslims persecuted minorities in Afghan,Pak and Bangladesh?

There is stupidity and then there is the dangerous blind ignorance

According to Sanghis, Shias and Ahmadis are persecuted in Pakistan.
Why don't you let them in your country as well then?

 

[Local.Dada]

According to Sanghis, Shias and Ahmadis are persecuted in Pakistan.
Why don't you let them in your country as well then?

That’s an internal problem. Are you telling me these are not Muslims who wanted to be part of Pakistan and couldn’t co exist with other religions ?

Sure if they say they are not a branch of Islam
Maybe CAA will be applicable to them, absolutely

 

[troodon]

According to Sanghis, Shias and Ahmadis are persecuted in Pakistan.
Why don't you let them in your country as well then?

Shias and Ahmedis are Muslims as per Indian constitution. They fall under the same umbrella of Muslims in India. But among Muslims, they all consider each as Kafirs.

On a personal note, I totally support all persecuted people irrespective of religion or beliefs should be welcomed. Not just Hindus.

 

[Thomaskutty]

Looking at the way the clip was abruptly cut off, my guess is it was a comment on the CAA/NRC issue on whether non-muslims fleeing persecution in India's neighbouring countries should get prioritized. But let's wait and see what he meant in the full episode.

 

[Slog]

The vice journalist herself seems like a dumb hipster bimbo without any research.

Muslims from other can absolutely become citizens of India under the regular immigration act. Immigration act is still the same

This is act is for the “ persecuted minorities” of neighboring counties. I mean how thick are people not to see the difference.

Are Muslims persecuted minorities in Afghan,Pak and Bangladesh?

There is stupidity and then there is the dangerous blind ignorance

Why not Myanmar and Sri Lanka in the bill then? And some types of Muslims are discriminated even in theee countries. Why not them?

 

[Slog]

That’s an internal problem. Are you telling me these are not Muslims who wanted to be part of Pakistan and couldn’t co exist with other religions ?

Sure if they say they are not a branch of Islam
Maybe CAA will be applicable to them, absolutely

The said country says they are not part of
Islam (ahmedis is) so that should matter more because that’s where the persecution will come into play.

 

[Local.Dada]

Why not Myanmar and Sri Lanka in the bill then? And some types of Muslims are discriminated even in theee countries. Why not them?

Because these are not Islamic republics founded on the principle that they will be a haven for all SC Muslims. Isn’t that the entire philosophy of the Pakistan moment? If Pakistan is concerned they can welcome them.

India is taking responsibility of other persecuted minorities not just limited to Hindus. By the way a lot of Tamils have taken refuge in Tamil Nadu India aftermath of the Sri Lankan-Tigers issue when there was a massacre of Tamils.

What part of Hindus,SC Christians, Parsis (also persecuted by Islamic republic of Iran) don’t have a homeland they can call their own, so the provision.

Why is this so complicated?

 

[Local.Dada]

The said country says they are not part of
Islam (ahmedis is) so that should matter more because that’s where the persecution will come into play.

Pakistan is saying that right? Do the Ahmedis think they don’t belong to Islam or Pakistan? If that’s the case sure may be a provision can be made.

 

[Greenstorm]

"We know where the Muslim population is large there is always trouble — because the Islamic ideology says so."

"If Muslim [population] becomes more than 30 per cent [in any country], that country is in danger."

"No, not all people are equal, Muslims do not fall into the equal category."

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Do Indians and BJP supporters specifically agree with these comments?

Most of them do but they won't admit this here.

This is the consequence of living under Muslim rule for centuries. They believe its their time for revenge.

 

[Slog]

Because these are not Islamic republics founded on the principle that they will be a haven for all SC Muslims. Isn’t that the entire philosophy of the Pakistan moment? If Pakistan is concerned they can welcome them.

India is taking responsibility of other persecuted minorities not just limited to Hindus. By the way a lot of Tamils have taken refuge in Tamil Nadu India aftermath of the Sri Lankan-Tigers issue when there was a massacre of Tamils.

What part of Hindus,SC Christians, Parsis (also persecuted by Islamic republic of Iran) don’t have a homeland they can call their own, so the provision.

Why is this so complicated?

Because you are simply indulging in mental gymnastics and you know it

 

[Greenstorm]

The vice journalist herself seems like a dumb hipster bimbo without any research.

Muslims from other can absolutely become citizens of India under the regular immigration act. Immigration act is still the same

This is act is for the “ persecuted minorities” of neighboring counties. I mean how thick are people not to see the difference.

Are Muslims persecuted minorities in Afghan,Pak and Bangladesh?

There is stupidity and then there is the dangerous blind ignorance

Typical reply from a hindutva supporter.

Any word on swami's comments regarding Muslims ?

 

[Local.Dada]

Most of them do but they won't admit this here.

This is the consequence of living under Muslim rule for centuries. They believe its their time for revenge.

Lol. Is this your history lesson speaking?

When Mughals ruled over North India, more than half of India the west,South,East was under the rule of the Vijayanagara Empire.

When Mughals finally managed to almost conquer most significant parts of india during Aurangazeb, that In turn weakened them and gave rise to the Maratha empire.

Before that dust settled there was the British.

So india is not just Delhi,Agra and modern day Pakistan.

Coming back to the topic, plenty of Muslims in leadership roles in India as there is never been discrimination against the sons of the soil. Sure there are a few trouble making muslims like we saw at the jamaat, I Am sure those trouble making muslims are all over the world.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

The vice journalist herself seems like a dumb hipster bimbo without any research.

Muslims from other can absolutely become citizens of India under the regular immigration act. Immigration act is still the same

This is act is for the “ persecuted minorities” of neighboring counties. I mean how thick are people not to see the difference.

Are Muslims persecuted minorities in Afghan,Pak and Bangladesh?

There is stupidity and then there is the dangerous blind ignorance

I’m intrigued how you managed to come up with the above based on a trailer in which the RSS imbecile did most of the talking.
It takes a whole load of speculation to come up with the drivel you posted above, especially the part stereotyping a female and questioning her research levels and abilities.

 

[Slog]

Lol. Is this your history lesson speaking?

When Mughals ruled over North India, more than half of India the west,South,East was under the rule of the Vijayanagara Empire.

When Mughals finally managed to almost conquer most significant parts of india during Aurangazeb, that In turn weakened them and gave rise to the Maratha empire.

Before that dust settled there was the British.

So india is not just Delhi,Agra and modern day Pakistan.

Coming back to the topic, plenty of Muslims in leadership roles in India as there is never been discrimination against the sons of the soil. Sure there are a few trouble making muslims like we saw at the jamaat, I Am sure those trouble making muslims are all over the world.

Mughals took over from the Delhi Sultanate, another Muslim empire.

South india also saw centuries of Muslim rule and so did bengal and other northeastern states.

It was so much that Muslim empires were taking over from other Muslim empires. Maratha empire was dominant for a few decades before withering away.

 

[Slog]

Most of them do but they won't admit this here.

This is the consequence of living under Muslim rule for centuries. They believe its their time for revenge.

Well lot of them has literally said it and keep quoting Mughal rule will come back if this does not happen.

Heck even Vaajpaye has talked about how he is still scarred about Muslim rules and invasions and why they were not able to battle it

 

[Greenstorm]

Lol. Is this your history lesson speaking?

When Mughals ruled over North India, more than half of India the west,South,East was under the rule of the Vijayanagara Empire.

When Mughals finally managed to almost conquer most significant parts of india during Aurangazeb, that In turn weakened them and gave rise to the Maratha empire.

Before that dust settled there was the British.

So india is not just Delhi,Agra and modern day Pakistan.

Coming back to the topic, plenty of Muslims in leadership roles in India as there is never been discrimination against the sons of the soil. Sure there are a few trouble making muslims like we saw at the jamaat, I Am sure those trouble making muslims are all over the world.

I don't take my history lessons from RSS boot camp.

Its laughable to compare Vijayanagra type empires with the Mughals who at their peak used to rule form Afghanistan to Bengal. Bin Qasim, Tughluqs, Ghauris, Ghaznavis, Mughals, Abdalis used to raid and rule subcontinent for fun. Nizams and Tipu even used to rule in Southern India.

All these invasions and life under foreign rule must have impacted the psychology of a common Hindu. Despite being majority, they had to live under foreign invaders for centuries. This thought has kindled, in modern Hindu, a yearning for vengeance and its growing everyday.

 

[Jin Chacha]

Swami is a well-wisher of Muslims. If the clip was not cut off abruptly, the correct context of his statements would have become clear. He is just a tragically misunderstood person whose statements are always taken out of context. He is so misunderstood he could well be a character in a Shakespearean tragedy. The saying 'no good deed goes unpunished' couldn't fit anyone else more perfectly.

 

[Local.Dada]

I don't take my history lessons from RSS boot camp.

Its laughable to compare Vijayanagra type empires with the Mughals who at their peak used to rule form Afghanistan to Bengal. Bin Qasim, Tughluqs, Ghauris, Ghaznavis, Mughals, Abdalis used to raid and rule subcontinent for fun. Nizams and Tipu even used to rule in Southern India.

All these invasions and life under foreign rule must have impacted the psychology of a common Hindu. Despite being majority, they had to live under foreign invaders for centuries. This thought has kindled, in modern Hindu, a yearning for vengeance and its growing everyday.

Why would Hindus want vengeance. Ok fair enough if they hated the Mughal empires and Kings and admins , I mean is every common Pakistani a ruler who ruled over Hindus?

My ancestors were well off for generations. I wouldn’t say I am from a privileged or royal family but they did alright for themselves, why would say Someone like me have a bias towards a Mochi or barber in say Karachi because Mughals who happen to be the same religion as him has probably ruled over my ancestors at some point of time?

The entire argument is dumb and makes no sense.

Yeah People May have a gripe against a bigot like Aurangazeb for breaking a holiest religious shrine for Hindus but why should that translate on every Muslim for his mistakes.

Ok Muslim empires ruled over Parts of India so? How do they represent you personally?

 

[Bigboii]

I don't care they had a choice they picked a wrong choice move on!
They should be left at the mercy of Indians

 

[Local.Dada]

Well lot of them has literally said it and keep quoting Mughal rule will come back if this does not happen.

Heck even Vaajpaye has talked about how he is still scarred about Muslim rules and invasions and why they were not able to battle it

So you are telling me Muslim rules have only scarred Hindus who fought all these years to keep their culture, identity, traditions intact and end up with a pretty large country they can call homeland but on the other hand all the Subcontinent Muslims are direct descendants of Mughals and the preceding Islamic empires and no one had to suffer converting from their religion or identity by force or coercion?

I wonder who comes out worse from that if you look at it from your lenses?

I don’t believe any King even Hindu Kings were all 100% benevolent but I am trying to put a thought complimenting your line of thinking.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Why would Hindus want vengeance. Ok fair enough if they hated the Mughal empires and Kings and admins , I mean is every common Pakistani a ruler who ruled over Hindus?

My ancestors were well off for generations. I wouldn’t say I am from a privileged or royal family but they did alright for themselves, why would say Someone like me have a bias towards a Mochi or barber in say Karachi because Mughals who happen to be the same religion as him has probably ruled over my ancestors at some point of time?

The entire argument is dumb and makes no sense.

Yeah People May have a gripe against a bigot like Aurangazeb for breaking a holiest religious shrine for Hindus but why should that translate on every Muslim for his mistakes.

Ok Muslim empires ruled over Parts of India so? How do they represent you personally?

Certain individuals & political affiliations benefit from the politics of hate.
It’s why extremist groups such as RSS are formed.
It’s why pre-election speeches in India contain so much anti-Pakistani and/or Muslim rhetoric
It’s why extremist politicians like Vajpayee, Advani & Modi gain huge swaths of support following hateful aggression against Muslims.

The politics of hate is powered by fear mongering of the most gullible tracts of society. In India this is the huge numbers of uneducated and poor.
That’s why any extremist ideology is so dangerous, however it goes to a whole new level when that ideology is the back bone of a nations thinking.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

To be fair, Muslims don't think of themselves as equals either. I mean look at these RSS types, why would you want to be on their level? They are only fit to bully minorities, that his been their history since inception.

 

[Local.Dada]

To be fair, Muslims don't think of themselves as equals either. I mean look at these RSS types, why would you want to be on their level? They are only fit to bully minorities, that his been their history since inception.

That’s not good is it to survive in any secular democracy? Also I am assuming you are speaking of a few instead of generalizing everyone correct?

 

[sweep_shot]

Really poor comment but then again BJP politicians are like this.

 

[Musakhel]

Hindus can never be are Equal.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That’s not good is it to survive in any secular democracy? Also I am assuming you are speaking of a few instead of generalizing everyone correct?

I am not generalising any more than Swami saab. Maybe you should be asking questions about why he is generalising considering the thread is actually about his comments?

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

I think most Muslims also agree that we can never be equal. Jokes on you lot

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

I think most Muslims also agree that we can never be equal. Jokes on you lot

That's quite true

 

[srh]

If I were a Muslim in India I would be sickened by these comments.

What's even more alarming is that we live amongst idiots who support these views.

In South Asia, India is the worst country for minorities especially muslims.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Extremist Hindus will never sleep in peace knowing Muslims ruled over their ancestors.

lol@some saying the Hindu empire at the time was just as or more powerful. Obvious Modi got his edcucation like his followers from RSS history books.

 

[Local.Dada]

Extremist Hindus will never sleep in peace knowing Muslims ruled over their ancestors.

lol@some saying the Hindu empire at the time was just as or more powerful. Obvious Modi got his edcucation like his followers from RSS history books.

Again how does having a Muslim king translate to Muslims ruling over Hindus?

I mean unless a person is a direct descendent of one of these nobleman, I don’t see how this is even an argument or something to gloat about.

Were common Muslims ruling themselves when Hindus were reporting to these Kings I don’t understand it?

As I said Hindus can take pride that despite all the invasions and different administrations they were able to maintain their culture and traditions thousands and thousands of years old. A lot of religions and schools of thoughts originated around the same time have died but Hinduism survives.

However if I was a subcontinent Muslim I might have questions and self introspection

if I was a direct descendant of the invaders I would wonder how they lost all that glory and if I was a common subcontinent Muslim then I would go back and see under what circumstances I became a Muslim. Obviously I am not suggesting everyone converted by force or perks but sure I would like to know that piece of history of my ancestors.

I am assuming this catch phrase 1000 saal Ki ghulami is just a catchphrase people throw in because it sounds good without actually studying the meaning or logic behind it.

 

[Bigboii]

Again how does having a Muslim king translate to Muslims ruling over Hindus?

I mean unless a person is a direct descendent of one of these nobleman, I don’t see how this is even an argument or something to gloat about.

Were common Muslims ruling themselves when Hindus were reporting to these Kings I don’t understand it?

As I said Hindus can take pride that despite all the invasions and different administrations they were able to maintain their culture and traditions thousands and thousands of years old. A lot of religions and schools of thoughts originated around the same time have died but Hinduism survives.

However if I was a subcontinent Muslim I might have questions and self introspection

if I was a direct descendant of the invaders I would wonder how they lost all that glory and if I was a common subcontinent Muslim then I would go back and see under what circumstances I became a Muslim. Obviously I am not suggesting everyone converted by force or perks but sure I would like to know that piece of history of my ancestors.

I am assuming this catch phrase 1000 saal Ki ghulami is just a catchphrase people throw in because it sounds good without actually studying the meaning or logic behind it.

you know its only natural that people convert over time happened everywhere in the world?

 

[Bilal_103]

God bless the Qaid.

 

[Bigboii]

God bless the Qaid.

Every single day I say the same statement

 

[KingKhanWC]

Again how does having a Muslim king translate to Muslims ruling over Hindus?

I mean unless a person is a direct descendent of one of these nobleman, I don’t see how this is even an argument or something to gloat about.

Were common Muslims ruling themselves when Hindus were reporting to these Kings I don’t understand it?

As I said Hindus can take pride that despite all the invasions and different administrations they were able to maintain their culture and traditions thousands and thousands of years old. A lot of religions and schools of thoughts originated around the same time have died but Hinduism survives.

However if I was a subcontinent Muslim I might have questions and self introspection

if I was a direct descendant of the invaders I would wonder how they lost all that glory and if I was a common subcontinent Muslim then I would go back and see under what circumstances I became a Muslim. Obviously I am not suggesting everyone converted by force or perks but sure I would like to know that piece of history of my ancestors.

I am assuming this catch phrase 1000 saal Ki ghulami is just a catchphrase people throw in because it sounds good without actually studying the meaning or logic behind it.

It wasnt a disney land fair story. lol.

Muslim KingS not King, princes , princesses and many more ruled over Hindus for hundreds of years. Simple fact even a schoolboy in a Bombay slum knows.

Swami Ji and other Hindu extremists are torutured by this. I feel sorry for his kids who would have cried all night when he told them of this history.

Muslim rulers didnt want to conquer the other lands, they had enough and the best land of the area.

Its no pride for me but is it hurtful for you?

 

[the SHA]

True. What’s even more alarming is the silence and tacit agreement of apparently educated and enlightened Indians to open xenophobia. Choosing to either ignore, deflect or just outright deny that their governments open facist agenda. Astonishing really.

 

[Usman]

I am seeing lots of Pakistani verified twitter account holders, including PM himself, is posting this video clip. What is the reason of posting an old clip amidst of an ongoing global cricis? Should the PM not be focussing on Coronavirus more than what 1 MP is saying in India? What is he trying to achieve?

As far as this video is concerned, one can only comment after listening to the full interview. A small piece of 2 mins means nothing.

I think PM of a nation should focus on bigger things than quoting some random videos in twitter.

Fair enough...its not old video. But one can only comment after watching the whole episode. The interview has not been aired yet and we are jumping into conclusions just by watching the promo? Its like giving judgement on a movie by just watching the trailer.

Let the interview being aired first on sunday, let us all see it and then lets come to the conclusion.

These comments are truly shocking. There is NO context in which the comments of this policitan could be justified. There is NOTHING which he could say in the rest if the interview which would make these comments ok.

Your ignorance is vile.

Instead of condemning this politician's comments, as any half decent person would do, your hate filled eyes still attack Imran instead and judge him for bringing a racist's comments to the world's attention. In the same breath you say it's too early to judge the racist. UNBELIEVABLE.

I don't judge someone whether they identify themselves as Muslim, Hindu, Christian, Jewish, Sikh or any other religion. This is humanity at an absolute basic level. It saddens me greatly that in a country like India, one of the most populous countries in the world, an extremist party such as the BJP has become the mainstream. Racism has become mainstream. History has taught the Indian public nothing. Just tragic.

 

[Syed1]

God bless the Qaid.

Honestly proper hero that lad.... Can't thank him enough.

 

[pillionrider]

Many seem shocked that anyone would require context, but as I felt earlier, I'll still wait for context especially considering the clear agenda in that tweet through its careful choice of words and implicit allegations.

I've seen Subbu use this 'not equal' argument before in a legal sense wrt Hindus while talking about reservation etc. So..

But that aside, the outrage by some here is ironic to see.

Not the Muslims in India or Western countries, but seriously, how many Muslims in an Islamic country do you think, actually consider a Hindu, atheist or any non-Muslim for that matter, their equal. Think about it seriously.

I hope India doesn't go this route, even though our thinking seems to be in competition with this sort of thought, and desperate to emulate it. When I say India, I mean the State. People have never thought others were the same - religion and caste-wise. Even before the BJP had wings. But at least the State didn't tacitly approve expressing or behaving in a manner that suggested someone was inferior to you.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Many seem shocked that anyone would require context, but as I felt earlier, I'll still wait for context especially considering the clear agenda in that tweet through its careful choice of words and implicit allegations.

I've seen Subbu use this 'not equal' argument before in a legal sense wrt Hindus while talking about reservation etc. So..

But that aside, the outrage by some here is ironic to see.

Not the Muslims in India or Western countries, but seriously, how many Muslims in an Islamic country do you think, actually consider a Hindu, atheist or any non-Muslim for that matter, their equal. Think about it seriously.

I hope India doesn't go this route, even though our thinking seems to be in competition with this sort of thought, and desperate to emulate it. When I say India, I mean the State. People have never thought others were the same - religion and caste-wise. Even before the BJP had wings. But at least the State didn't tacitly approve expressing or behaving in a manner that suggested someone was inferior to you.

Well let's think about this seriously, as you requested. What is your belief, and do you believe everyone who doesn't share it is equal?