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[VIDEO] "Muslims do not fall into the equal category" : Senior BJP MP Subramanian Swamy

Well let's think about this seriously, as you requested. What is your belief, and do you believe everyone who doesn't share it is equal?

Well isn’t the whole of concept of Pakistan itself based on the theory that Muslims cannot co exist and need self-rule?

India is a secular democracy and I don’t think even Modi or BJP have ever denied that fact at least on face value.

So yeah I think India does in theory believe in equality. Can’t say the same for Pakistan though.

Yeah there will always be a majority minority bias I mean do you think the whites consider a British Pakistani their equal
 
Swamy has always been a hard-liner. And represents the true face of the BJP which for many years was masked during the tenure of Vajpayee. Now that Modi has come out and boldly instituted his fascist policies he probably feels more comfortable expressing his views on international media outlets.

In the past his views on Muslims and breaking Pakistan into four were restricted to Indian media.
 
Another day where we should say Thank You Jinnah.

And to the Indians who always point to Pakistan's treatment of minorities: a) minorities make up less than 3% of our population and are very small in number compared to India's over 20% out of a population of 1.4 billion. b) the state and our politicians do not openly incite violence against minorities. If someone does so they are taken to task. Rather, the current government is trying its best to make Pakistan a more inclusive and pluralistic country by renovating old temples, opening up the Kartarpur Corridor and giving way to religious tourism.

There is hate and bigotry still. But it is not openly advocated by the state. Neither on the same threshold as in India
 
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Another day where we should say Thank You Jinnah.

And to the Indians who always point to Pakistan's treatment of minorities: a) minorities make up less than 3% of our population and are very small in number compared to India's over 20% out of a population of 1.4 billion. b) the state and our politicians do not openly incite violence against minorities. If someone does so they are taken to task. Rather, the current government is trying its best to make Pakistan a more inclusive and pluralistic country by renovating old temples, opening up the Kartarpur Corridor and giving way to religious tourism.

There is hate and bigotry still. But it is not openly advocated by the state. Neither on the same threshold as in India

This minority are only 2-3 % is such a convenient argument lol.

There are only a fraction of Parsis, probably only a few lakhs out of a 1.5 billion population in India and yet they have produced some of the wealthiest business men, famous artists and sportsmen.

That was made possible because they were allowed to thrive in secular India after they were almost wiped out from an Islamic republic.

It’s funny to hear sermons about secularism from Pakistanis.

We have had a Muslim President, can a minority run for office in Pak?

Yes there will be bias in a melting pot like India and there will be discrimination and conflicts. Assuming you live in Britain or even if you live in other part of Europe or America do you think there is no white bias in these countries? Don’t you think discrimination or racial tensions flare up?

However the fabric of the Indian society is secularism and equality and you are gloating about Kartarpur or renovating old temples, how long did it take for that to open after independence?

Also one mosque was demolished in India and people here still quote that, the very fact you are talking about renovation of temples in cities which have prominent place in ancient Hindu history do you see the irony there?

There is a mosque big or small in every area in India, in fact they are run privately by the Muslim trusts without any interference.

I think this is Urdu and not Hindi but there is a saying apne girebaan me jhaank ke dekho.

Well it’s good if as you are saying Pak is making some good moves to protect minorities. However they are still way behind India in that regards so it’s not even a close comparison. Maybe you can say better than Iran or something.
 
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Well isn’t the whole of concept of Pakistan itself based on the theory that Muslims cannot co exist and need self-rule?

India is a secular democracy and I don’t think even Modi or BJP have ever denied that fact at least on face value.

So yeah I think India does in theory believe in equality. Can’t say the same for Pakistan though.

Yeah there will always be a majority minority bias I mean do you think the whites consider a British Pakistani their equal

I was asking about your belief, not Pakistan.
 
This minority are only 2-3 % is such a convenient argument lol.

There are only a fraction of Parsis, probably only a few lakhs out of a 1.5 billion population in India and yet they have produced some of the wealthiest business men, famous artists and sportsmen.

That was made possible because they were allowed to thrive in secular India after they were almost wiped out from an Islamic republic.

It’s funny to hear sermons about secularism from Pakistanis.

We have had a Muslim President, can a minority run for office in Pak?

Yes there will be bias in a melting pot like India and there will be discrimination and conflicts. Assuming you live in Britain or even if you live in other part of Europe or America do you think there is no white bias in these countries? Don’t you think discrimination or racial tensions flare up?

However the fabric of the Indian society is secularism and equality and you are gloating about Kartarpur or renovating old temples, how long did it take for that to open after independence?

Also one mosque was demolished in India and people here still quote that, the very fact you are talking about renovation of temples in cities which have prominent place in ancient Hindu history do you see the irony there?

There is a mosque big or small in every area in India, in fact they are run privately by the Muslim trusts without any interference.

I think this is Urdu and not Hindi but there is a saying apne girebaan me jhaank ke dekho.

Well it’s good if as you are saying Pak is making some good moves to protect minorities. However they are still way behind India in that regards so it’s not even a close comparison. Maybe you can say better than Iran or something.

The difference between Pakistan and India is that unlike India, Pakistan was created as a state for the Muslims of the sub-continent. And that is what Pakistan is. That does not mean that minorities should not have equal rights. But the character is that of a Muslim state. Just as Israel has the character of a Jewish state. And Pakistan does not try to deny this.

India on the other hand was created as, and projected as a secular state. When in reality it was a Hindu state where minorities (and especially Muslims) have not only been subject to major injustices. The fact that India has actually had a Muslim President and yet today openly anti-Muslim policies have been instituted speaks volumes about the kind of power Muslims actually have in India.

I agree that injustices against minorities occur in Pakistan, and have in the past. But there is a fundamental difference in injustices that a segment from 3 million people of the population are subjected to and injustices that a segment from 200+ million people of a population are subjected to.

There is furthermore a difference between a state openly advocating hate and discriminatory policies against certain groups. Where there is a co-ordinated campaign undertaken by the media, known to manufacture consent against a group of people. Which is visible in India today. And its not just restricted to Indian Muslims who are often characterized as trouble-makers, terrorists, infiltrators by politicians and the media alike, it extends to Pakistan now aswell, without whom BJP can't seem to win an election and regularly features in their election speeches. Tell me, if India is such a rising super-power why does it need to talk about Pakistan so much with its people?

Pakistan went through its worst period in the 1980s under Zia but even then we we witnessed nothing like the Delhi riots or the Gujrat riots of 2002. Despite seeds of bigotry that exist within segments of the population the political parties don't use it to come into power nor does the state advocate policies like the NRC, whose ultimate aim I would guess would be to throw Muslims into concentration camps and deny them the right to vote.

And this whole routine of "you don't have any right to talk about what's going on India, because you're Pakistani". Actually I do. Any rational human being should have the fortitude to call out injustices, whether they are occurring in his own country or someplace else. I still think that there is alot to be done for the minorities of Pakistan and we have a long way to go in regards to guaranteeing them the same safeguards and privileges that Jinnah promised them. And I'm glad to see the government taking steps (even if they are baby steps) to try and make that possible.

But if you think this is a contest then you have it all wrong. And the fact that you think that everything in India is A-Okay even when so many of your fellow countrymen are saying they are not reflects a stark inability to not just confront the truth, but also condemn the injustice.
 
The difference between Pakistan and India is that unlike India, Pakistan was created as a state for the Muslims of the sub-continent. And that is what Pakistan is. That does not mean that minorities should not have equal rights. But the character is that of a Muslim state. Just as Israel has the character of a Jewish state. And Pakistan does not try to deny this.

India on the other hand was created as, and projected as a secular state. When in reality it was a Hindu state where minorities (and especially Muslims) have not only been subject to major injustices. The fact that India has actually had a Muslim President and yet today openly anti-Muslim policies have been instituted speaks volumes about the kind of power Muslims actually have in India.

I agree that injustices against minorities occur in Pakistan, and have in the past. But there is a fundamental difference in injustices that a segment from 3 million people of the population are subjected to and injustices that a segment from 200+ million people of a population are subjected to.

There is furthermore a difference between a state openly advocating hate and discriminatory policies against certain groups. Where there is a co-ordinated campaign undertaken by the media, known to manufacture consent against a group of people. Which is visible in India today. And its not just restricted to Indian Muslims who are often characterized as trouble-makers, terrorists, infiltrators by politicians and the media alike, it extends to Pakistan now aswell, without whom BJP can't seem to win an election and regularly features in their election speeches. Tell me, if India is such a rising super-power why does it need to talk about Pakistan so much with its people?

Pakistan went through its worst period in the 1980s under Zia but even then we we witnessed nothing like the Delhi riots or the Gujrat riots of 2002. Despite seeds of bigotry that exist within segments of the population the political parties don't use it to come into power nor does the state advocate policies like the NRC, whose ultimate aim I would guess would be to throw Muslims into concentration camps and deny them the right to vote.

And this whole routine of "you don't have any right to talk about what's going on India, because you're Pakistani". Actually I do. Any rational human being should have the fortitude to call out injustices, whether they are occurring in his own country or someplace else. I still think that there is alot to be done for the minorities of Pakistan and we have a long way to go in regards to guaranteeing them the same safeguards and privileges that Jinnah promised them. And I'm glad to see the government taking steps (even if they are baby steps) to try and make that possible.

But if you think this is a contest then you have it all wrong. And the fact that you think that everything in India is A-Okay even when so many of your fellow countrymen are saying they are not reflects a stark inability to not just confront the truth, but also condemn the injustice.


You're wasting your time with these long paragraphs. As long as Pakistan has a discriminatory constitution, it is fundamentally not comparable to secular minded
India and never will be.

Imran Khan had a golden chance a few months ago to make history and vote against bigotry but he and his party said no - only muslims allowed. I found that shocking, particularly because I thought him to be open minded coming from a western educated background and all. Link is below -

https://www.thehindu.com/news/inter...ome-countrys-pm-president/article29593495.ece
 
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I wonder if hateful words from BJP leaders is leading to situations like this.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The inconsolable father of the infant who died today <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bharatpur?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bharatpur</a> tells me, "The doctors at Zenana Hospital enquired about our religion. When they found we are Muslims, the doctors referred us to Jaipur. My wife delivered the baby in the ambulance on way to Jaipur & the baby died" <a href="https://t.co/v0LLoXx3SA">pic.twitter.com/v0LLoXx3SA</a></p>— Tabeenah Anjum (@TabeenahAnjum) <a href="https://twitter.com/TabeenahAnjum/status/1246394271239778305?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Imran Khan had a golden chance a few months ago to make history and vote against bigotry but he and his party said no - only muslims allowed. I found that shocking, particularly because I thought him to be open minded coming from a western educated background and all. Link is below -

https://www.thehindu.com/news/inter...ome-countrys-pm-president/article29593495.ece

To be fair to Imran, if he had the power to make changes he would, I honestly believe that. However the whole world knows he has zero influence to make any relevant/important changes, he is just a robot that has his buttons pushed by others..
 
You're wasting your time with these long paragraphs. As long as Pakistan has a discriminatory constitution, it is fundamentally not comparable to secular minded
India and never will be.

Imran Khan had a golden chance a few months ago to make history and vote against bigotry but he and his party said no - only muslims allowed. I found that shocking, particularly because I thought him to be open minded coming from a western educated background and all. Link is below -

https://www.thehindu.com/news/inter...ome-countrys-pm-president/article29593495.ece

If you actually bothered to read the Pakistan constitution you would know it guarantees equal rights to people of all faiths.

And as far as having a secular constitution is concerned India today is a shining example of how despite having a secular constitution you can treat Muslims like second-class citizens so I fail to understand what is the point of it anyway?

Is it a show-piece for the rest of the world to see?

Because it hasn't stopped the Indian government from rolling out anti-Muslim policies, renaming cities with Muslim names or stopped the Supreme Court for sanctioning the destruction of a mosque based on Hindu religious beliefs. If India really is a secular state why is a mosque (that is already there) being demolished on the pretense that it was the birthplace of a Hindu deity?

And that's not even the tip of the iceberg. Muslims get lynched for eating beef, dating Hindu girls. School curriculums are being Hinduized. You see videos of people climbing atop a mosque, desecrating the crescent and replacing it with an Indian flag.

These are things that are happening in India currently. So don't even try to compare India to Pakistan. Pakistan today is smiling at the fact that it is an independent, sovereign state. Everything that Jinnah said 70-80 years ago is now a stark reality.

I would much rather have my government work for the betterment of minorities rather than put a meaningless constitution in place.
 
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Hindus don't fall in the same category. They are Kaffirs we don't want to live with them.They are not equal to us.
 
Absolutely astonishing on some of the defence that is going on in this thread by the indians

Pakistan may have hundreds of issues but educated pakistanis would never defend any pakistani politician who is openly racist and discriminatory

It seems its open season on muslims in india, god help them as noone else will
 
Hindus want a HIndustan like we wanted Pakistan. They dont want India as it has existed for the better part of their and their parents lives.


Well good luck with that effort. SO MANY MUSLIMS wont just take it lying down. There will be uprisings and it will be bloody.
 
Wow what a brutal reply from Swamy, that's quite mean.... lol

Nothing mean but pure deflection from a xenophobic, islamophobic pathetic boomer who has his legs in the grave and is still spouting such hateful rubbish.
 
Hindus want a HIndustan like we wanted Pakistan. They dont want India as it has existed for the better part of their and their parents lives.


Well good luck with that effort. SO MANY MUSLIMS wont just take it lying down. There will be uprisings and it will be bloody.

No we don't want a "Hindustan for Hindus".
All we want is a country where "secularism" is not just a one way street and one where certain sections of a minority community won't create ruckus if their undeserved veto power is taken away from them.

And if anyone is opposed to this idea, yes... things will turn "bloody" from time to time.
 
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The vice journalist herself seems like a dumb hipster bimbo without any research.

Muslims from other can absolutely become citizens of India under the regular immigration act. Immigration act is still the same

This is act is for the “ persecuted minorities” of neighboring counties. I mean how thick are people not to see the difference.

Are Muslims persecuted minorities in Afghan,Pak and Bangladesh?

There is stupidity and then there is the dangerous blind ignorance

Clever attempt at deflection but wont fly.
 
No we don't want a "Hindustan for Hindus".
All we want is a country where "secularism" is not just a one way street and one where certain sections of a minority community won't create ruckus if their undeserved veto power is taken away from them.

And if anyone is opposed to this idea, yes... things will turn "bloody" from time to time.

Wow just wow, where does so much hate come from?
 
India as a society is done - their moral fabric is in ruins. Their forefathers - Gandhi and Nehru must be rolling in their graves.
 
No we don't want a "Hindustan for Hindus".
All we want is a country where "secularism" is not just a one way street and one where certain sections of a minority community won't create ruckus if their undeserved veto power is taken away from them.

And if anyone is opposed to this idea, yes... things will turn "bloody" from time to time.
if for some reason you are alluding to Muslims being unruly and also happen to be threatening them with genocide one and all in the same sentence, do you even realize the irony of it all?

and if you are defending this guy, well explain to me how muslims not being equal fits into your grand idea of a great secular nation then?
 
if for some reason you are alluding to Muslims being unruly and also happen to be threatening them with genocide one and all in the same sentence, do you even realize the irony of it all?

and if you are defending this guy, well explain to me how muslims not being equal fits into your grand idea of a great secular nation then?

No I'm not threatening anyone with genocide. :facepalm:

And no I'm not defending this guy. His remarks are absolutely disgracing no matter what the context is. I was just talking about your "Hindus want Hindustan like we wanted Pakistan" statement and how it's wrong in so many ways.
 
Wow just wow, where does so much hate come from?

haha .. im glad i am not the only one who saw that. seething with poison, you can tell how much hatred exists within "some" hindus.

I am also curious what powers of "veto" do Muslims hold in India that is bugging the hindus so much? they are certainly reacting as if Muslims are running the whole show there when all the evidence suggests the contrary. their leaders are claiming muslims are not equal citizens. their laws are undermining muslims on the basis of their faith, they are being subjected to police torture and violence sponsored by the state, their homes burnt, businesses destroyed and yet somehow they have this magical veto power that some hindus are absolutely terrified of.

JUST WOW!
 
No I'm not threatening anyone with genocide. :facepalm:

And no I'm not defending this guy. His remarks are absolutely disgracing no matter what the context is. I was just talking about your "Hindus want Hindustan like we wanted Pakistan" statement and how it's wrong in so many ways.

prove it? your elected leaders belonging to the ruling party are saying on record in this video what we all feared is what hindu nationalists believe.

how can you prove this wrong? you guys put them in power.. they are simply doing what the majority want. simply you saying it aint so wont matter jackshit. it has to be proved through action. yo had your chance and you voted these guys into power. and this is what happens when you put fascists incharge.

your claims of wanting a secular state are nothing but pretentious blabber because your government has taken steps that are anything but!
 
Hate ?

Did you even understand what I wrote ?

Well youve said certain sections of the muslims populations create problems and that this will lead to bloodshed of their own making

Are muslims or certain sections of muslims a problem in india like the bjp fella is stating?
 
i still want to know what veto powers are indian muslims holding on to?
 
Problem in india is lots of educated indian muslims moved to pak (cause they were not stupid) after partition so most muslims there are working class uneducated people and they do what most working class people do regardless of religion make babies so maybe he is saying that there is a crisis of muslim pop in india increasing more than 30% so it should be taken care of

But tbh he is a vile person and I have heard he got lots of problems with non indian religions so I am sure he meant it in a racist way
 
Problem in india is lots of educated indian muslims moved to pak (cause they were not stupid) after partition so most muslims there are working class uneducated people and they do what most working class people do regardless of religion make babies so maybe he is saying that there is a crisis of muslim pop in india increasing more than 30% so it should be taken care of

But tbh he is a vile person and I have heard he got lots of problems with non indian religions so I am sure he meant it in a racist way
i think thats wrong.

doing disservice to all those educated muslims in UP, HYderabad, etc.

There are some areas that were not hit by the rush of balwas and such and felt they didnt need to move from their ancestral lands to punjab, sindh, etc for other reasons. maybe they had homes and were well educated to think they would be fine in india. there are plenty of educated muslims in india.

around the border areas, yes... almost all of them moved.
 
Last few months have exposed many so called secular indians lol. Their hate for muslims is there for all to see. TJ was at fault but why are people cussing all other muslims? Why is media focussing on them only? Why are they communalising coronavirus? All this drama of hindu muslim bhai bhai has been exposed. More than jaahil bhakhts I will blame parhe likhe jaahil bhakhts for this. :inti
 
Last few months have exposed many so called secular indians lol. Their hate for muslims is there for all to see. TJ was at fault but why are people cussing all other muslims? Why is media focussing on them only? Why are they communalising coronavirus? All this drama of hindu muslim bhai bhai has been exposed. More than jaahil bhakhts I will blame parhe likhe jaahil bhakhts for this. :inti

i have heard a lot of indian hindus talk of muslims with veto powers. can you shed some light on this?
 
Nothing mean but pure deflection from a xenophobic, islamophobic pathetic boomer who has his legs in the grave and is still spouting such hateful rubbish.

People here don't read properly and jump to conclusion, I was not replying to what Swamy said about the muslims, I was responding to his tweet directed at Imran..
 
prove it? your elected leaders belonging to the ruling party are saying on record in this video what we all feared is what hindu nationalists believe.

how can you prove this wrong? you guys put them in power.. they are simply doing what the majority want. simply you saying it aint so wont matter jackshit. it has to be proved through action. yo had your chance and you voted these guys into power. and this is what happens when you put fascists incharge.

your claims of wanting a secular state are nothing but pretentious blabber because your government has taken steps that are anything but!

Prove what ?

We didn't elect them into power because they'll do what the majority wants. We did so because they're a thousand times better than the worthless corrupt Congress party.
Don't know what steps you're talking about which they took that are against the secular state. Can you shed some light on it? You can't possibly be talking about CAA..
 
Last few months have exposed many so called secular indians lol. Their hate for muslims is there for all to see. TJ was at fault but why are people cussing all other muslims? Why is media focussing on them only? Why are they communalising coronavirus? All this drama of hindu muslim bhai bhai has been exposed. More than jaahil bhakhts I will blame parhe likhe jaahil bhakhts for this. :inti

I see, thank you for the feedback Mr Pseudo Secular Indian.. :inti:
 
Prove what ?

We didn't elect them into power because they'll do what the majority wants. We did so because they're a thousand times better than the worthless corrupt Congress party.
Don't know what steps you're talking about which they took that are against the secular state. Can you shed some light on it? You can't possibly be talking about CAA..

Let me ask you this. How big is MOdi'S CABINET?
How many MUslims are on his cabinet?
What percentage of indian population is Muslims?

CAA/NRC whatever.. does it not implicitly exclude muslims and deprive them of similar rights that are allowed to other religions?

and did you not threaten bloodshed against muslims if they fight for their rights in india? yes or no?
 
Let me ask you this. How big is MOdi'S CABINET?
How many MUslims are on his cabinet?
What percentage of indian population is Muslims?

CAA/NRC whatever.. does it not implicitly exclude muslims and deprive them of similar rights that are allowed to other religions?

and did you not threaten bloodshed against muslims if they fight for their rights in india? yes or no?

What does modi's cabinet has got to do with all this ? :facepalm:

NRC is not even implemented and don't think it will be (barring Assam). CAA excludes Muslims because they're not the minority in any of the neighbouring non-dharmic countries.

And no, I did not threaten anyone "fighting for their rights" with bloodshed.
 
What does modi's cabinet has got to do with all this ? :facepalm:

NRC is not even implemented and don't think it will be (barring Assam). CAA excludes Muslims because they're not the minority in any of the neighbouring non-dharmic countries.

And no, I did not threaten anyone "fighting for their rights" with bloodshed.

so if hindus and christians are not included in any governmental cabinet positions in pakistan, it is an issue and yet of all the current cabinet members, there is only one muslim (muslims are 15% of india's population) and yet you do not see this as a problem? 1/24 vs 15/100? secularism? yes great! haha

you are turning india into a hindu verion of pakistan.


do muslims have equal representation? by the way im still waiting for your response on the comment about the muslims veto power.
 
so if hindus and christians are not included in any governmental cabinet positions in pakistan, it is an issue and yet of all the current cabinet members, there is only one muslim (muslims are 15% of india's population) and yet you do not see this as a problem? 1/24 vs 15/100? secularism? yes great! haha

you are turning india into a hindu verion of pakistan.


do muslims have equal representation? by the way im still waiting for your response on the comment about the muslims veto power.

He is not going to answer it. :inti
 
People here don't read properly and jump to conclusion, I was not replying to what Swamy said about the muslims, I was responding to his tweet directed at Imran..

My comment was about his tweet as well, nothing mean and pure deflection.
 
What does modi's cabinet has got to do with all this ? :facepalm:

NRC is not even implemented and don't think it will be (barring Assam). CAA excludes Muslims because they're not the minority in any of the neighbouring non-dharmic countries.

And no, I did not threaten anyone "fighting for their rights" with bloodshed.

All we want is a country where "secularism" is not just a one way street and one where certain sections of a minority community won't create ruckus if their undeserved veto power is taken away from them.

And if anyone is opposed to this idea, yes... things will turn "bloody" from time to time.

Lolwut? Then what were you blabbering here? :inti
 
so if hindus and christians are not included in any governmental cabinet positions in pakistan, it is an issue and yet of all the current cabinet members, there is only one muslim (muslims are 15% of india's population) and yet you do not see this as a problem? 1/24 vs 15/100? secularism? yes great! haha

you are turning india into a hindu verion of pakistan.


do muslims have equal representation? by the way im still waiting for your response on the comment about the muslims veto power.

Even under Congress, Muslims never got equal representation in the cabinet mainly because of their economic and political leanings. This is nothing new.

And regarding the veto power....well this could take a while but let me put this out to you as simply as I can....

For about 50 years or so , Congress and it's other cronie parties treated Muslims as a vote bank especially in states of political significance like UP, MH, Bihar and Bengal. They granted many privileges to the community not adhering to the secular constitution of India. Not banning Triple Talaq even if it's against the Indian judiciary, not implementing NRC even when the immigrant problem was at an all time through the 70s and 80s , no population control bill , giving extra reservation to them in govt sectors, no Uniform Civil Code, no Article 370 and many other such deeds catering to the interests of the Muslim community just to garner their votes. This led to a few sections of the Muslim community enjoying an undeclared veto power and made the central UPA and sometimes even the NDA govts to act in favour of them on numerous occasions just to secure their votes in the above mentioned important States.

And now(since 2014) that Modi's BJP/NDA have proven that they don't need their vote bank anymore and all the special privileges that they've been enjoying for decades are all but gone, a certain section of the Muslim community is trying to get back that veto power by creating a ruckus even in matters that won't concern them at all.

Hope you got it.
 
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Even under Congress, Muslims never got equal representation in the cabinet mainly because of their economic and political leanings. This is nothing new.

And regarding the veto power....well this could take a while but let me put this out to you as simply as I can....

For about 50 years or so , Congress and it's other cronie parties treated Muslims as a vote bank especially in states of political significance like UP, MH, Bihar and Bengal. They granted many privileges to the community not adhering to the secular constitution of India. Not banning Triple Talaq even if it's against the Indian judiciary, not implementing NRC even when the immigrant problem was at an all time through the 70s and 80s , no population control bill , giving extra reservation to them in govt sectors, no Uniform Civil Code, no Article 370 and many other such deeds catering to the interests of the Muslim community just to garner their votes. This led to a few sections of the Muslim community enjoying an undeclared veto power and made the central UPA and sometimes even the NDA govts to act in favour of them on numerous occasions just to secure their votes in the above mentioned important States.

And now(since 2014) that Modi's BJP/NDA have proven that they don't need their vote bank anymore and all the special privileges that they've been enjoying for decades are all but gone, a certain section of the Muslim community is trying to get back that veto power by creating a ruckus even in matters that won't concern them at all.

Hope you got it.
got it
 
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Even under Congress, Muslims never got equal representation in the cabinet mainly because of their economic and political leanings. This is nothing new.

And regarding the veto power....well this could take a while but let me put this out to you as simply as I can....

For about 50 years or so , Congress and it's other cronie parties treated Muslims as a vote bank especially in states of political significance like UP, MH, Bihar and Bengal. They granted many privileges to the community not adhering to the secular constitution of India. Not banning Triple Talaq even if it's against the Indian judiciary, not implementing NRC even when the immigrant problem was at an all time through the 70s and 80s , no population control bill , giving extra reservation to them in govt sectors, no Uniform Civil Code, no Article 370 and many other such deeds catering to the interests of the Muslim community just to garner their votes. This led to a few sections of the Muslim community enjoying an undeclared veto power and made the central UPA and sometimes even the NDA govts to act in favour of them on numerous occasions just to secure their votes in the above mentioned important States.

And now(since 2014) that Modi's BJP/NDA have proven that they don't need their vote bank anymore and all the special privileges that they've been enjoying for decades are all but gone, a certain section of the Muslim community is trying to get back that veto power by creating a ruckus even in matters that won't concern them at all.

Hope you got it.
Did any Congress leader openly say what Swami is saying here? :inti
 
Even under Congress, Muslims never got equal representation in the cabinet mainly because of their economic and political leanings. This is nothing new.

And regarding the veto power....well this could take a while but let me put this out to you as simply as I can....

For about 50 years or so , Congress and it's other cronie parties treated Muslims as a vote bank especially in states of political significance like UP, MH, Bihar and Bengal. They granted many privileges to the community not adhering to the secular constitution of India. Not banning Triple Talaq even if it's against the Indian judiciary, not implementing NRC even when the immigrant problem was at an all time through the 70s and 80s , no population control bill , giving extra reservation to them in govt sectors, no Uniform Civil Code, no Article 370 and many other such deeds catering to the interests of the Muslim community just to garner their votes. This led to a few sections of the Muslim community enjoying an undeclared veto power and made the central UPA and sometimes even the NDA govts to act in favour of them on numerous occasions just to secure their votes in the above mentioned important States.

And now(since 2014) that Modi's BJP/NDA have proven that they don't need their vote bank anymore and all the special privileges that they've been enjoying for decades are all but gone, a certain section of the Muslim community is trying to get back that veto power by creating a ruckus even in matters that won't concern them at all.

Hope you got it.

Agree
This is what Sharjeel imam was castigated for
 
What does modi's cabinet has got to do with all this ? :facepalm:

NRC is not even implemented and don't think it will be (barring Assam). CAA excludes Muslims because they're not the minority in any of the neighbouring non-dharmic countries.

And no, I did not threaten anyone "fighting for their rights" with bloodshed.

Amit Shah has said NRC will be extended country wide. What makes you think it won’t be?
CAA and NRC are inextricably linked. Again your Home Minister has alluded to this on more than one occasion.
It’s not about the Muslims in neighbouring countries it’s about the Muslims who can’t provide evidence of their nationality but reside in India today.
 
Modi/NDA don't need muslim vote bank but do they need Scheduled Caste/Scheduled Tribes who also get reservation in govt sectors? I am not updated on this but have they also taken away these special privileges from them? If yes, then kudos to Modi/NDA. :inti
 
If your forefathers lived in India, why can't you provide evidence. Pakistan will do same thing with Afghanistan's people in some years. India is going to do same with people who cross borders of India- Bangladesh and now living in various parts of country. No Indian have to fear and I mean every indian muslim, sikh, hindu etc.
 

The official statement on Tuesday, made by MP Nityanand Rai in a written reply to a question in parliament, is a departure from comments made by Prime Minister Narendra Modi's senior party leaders, including the home minister, Amit Shah.

That’s from the article you linked to. Amit Shah wants it implemented, he will get it done. All they said is not yet due to Delhi protests and other impending local elections.
It’s also a pre-election pledge by the BJP.
 
If your forefathers lived in India, why can't you provide evidence. Pakistan will do same thing with Afghanistan's people in some years. India is going to do same with people who cross borders of India- Bangladesh and now living in various parts of country. No Indian have to fear and I mean every indian muslim, sikh, hindu etc.
Did you see the results of Assam NRC?

Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Buddhists, Parsis don’t need to worry they are all protected by the CAA - not the case with Muslims

https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/politics-of-hate-road-to-power-or-destruction-61204/
 
[MENTION=6928]Iqbal'sh[/MENTION] I am talking about Indian muslims. That's what we are saying, no Indian has to worry. If muslim is indian, he don't have to worry. India is going towards hub of minority of South Asia. Muslims has many countries to live, but it is not for other religion people. It is what it is. Just for sometime, think as other religion people point of view instead of just muslim. You saw what happened to sikh recently in Afghanistan. Same captain Amrinder Singh (CM of Indian Punjab) who is opposing CAA, now wants all sikh to deport from Afghanistan and bring back to India.
 
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[MENTION=6928]Iqbal'sh[/MENTION] I am talking about Indian muslims. That's what we are saying, no Indian has to worry. If muslim is indian, he don't have to worry. India is going towards hub of minority of South Asia. Muslims has many countries to live, but it is not for other religion people. It is what it is. Just for sometime, think as other religion people point of view instead of just muslim. You saw what happened to sikh recently in Afghanistan. Same captain Amrinder Singh (CM of Indian Punjab) who is opposing CAA, now wants all sikh to deport from Afghanistan and bring back to India.
I am as well. Did you read the linked article?
It throws a light on the CAA & NRC issue
 
Last few months have exposed many so called secular indians lol. Their hate for muslims is there for all to see. TJ was at fault but why are people cussing all other muslims? Why is media focussing on them only? Why are they communalising coronavirus? All this drama of hindu muslim bhai bhai has been exposed. More than jaahil bhakhts I will blame parhe likhe jaahil bhakhts for this. :inti
They are cursing all Muslims because they want some one to be made scapegoat. Muslims were such an easy and convenient target with pliant media.
 
I already read it extensively and I know that they both are related. I know it is to exclude intruders from Bangladesh border. I am only answering about do indian Muslims has to worry? Answer is No. They are as Indian as Hindu and other religions people. [MENTION=6928]Iqbal'sh[/MENTION]
 
Even under Congress, Muslims never got equal representation in the cabinet mainly because of their economic and political leanings. This is nothing new.

And regarding the veto power....well this could take a while but let me put this out to you as simply as I can....

For about 50 years or so , Congress and it's other cronie parties treated Muslims as a vote bank especially in states of political significance like UP, MH, Bihar and Bengal. They granted many privileges to the community not adhering to the secular constitution of India. Not banning Triple Talaq even if it's against the Indian judiciary, not implementing NRC even when the immigrant problem was at an all time through the 70s and 80s , no population control bill , giving extra reservation to them in govt sectors, no Uniform Civil Code, no Article 370 and many other such deeds catering to the interests of the Muslim community just to garner their votes. This led to a few sections of the Muslim community enjoying an undeclared veto power and made the central UPA and sometimes even the NDA govts to act in favour of them on numerous occasions just to secure their votes in the above mentioned important States.

And now(since 2014) that Modi's BJP/NDA have proven that they don't need their vote bank anymore and all the special privileges that they've been enjoying for decades are all but gone, a certain section of the Muslim community is trying to get back that veto power by creating a ruckus even in matters that won't concern them at all.

Hope you got it.

Oh wow look at that.. looks like the evil Muslims have been master minding the entire plot all this time.. they have “special reservations” ... wow! Who knew!
And they also get to do triple talaq! Excellent.. I mean everybody knows how much we love triple talaq.. I mean I was just telling my wife the other day I can’t imagine living in a world without it!

That’s awesome! No wonder the Muslims in India are so much well off compared to the majority hindus.. they own better houses, hold better jobs because of all these reservations, have much better overall social economic status and are just so much prosperous than their hindu compatriots.... right?


All these scheming Muslims! And they never wanted the NRC so they can illegally come over from Pakistan and settle in wonderful India so they can get those special reservations that the whole world is talking about! This kid pappu I knew in lahore when I was 9, his whole family secretly crossed the border and now they gave his dad the charge of ministry of improving Muslim affairs because of the reservation and guess what.. he loves triple talaq too! But he never liked red meat so he actually banned cow slaughter in most states... so no more steak and nihari because some butt hole Muslim with a reservation held post has now disallowed it!

Excellent!

Explain to me why all these scheming Muslims are always fighting for their rights and considered abject poverty ridden and unable to get basic right?

Triple talaq is such a big deal but banning cow slaughter is not? All these Muslims that are videos getting beaten up by Hindus and asked to say jai Shri Ram, they just be the ones who are making $100,000/year kind of jobs due to reservations right?


Who the eff do you think you are fooling here?
 
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Oh wow look at that.. looks like the evil Muslims have been master minding the entire plot all this time.. they have “special reservations” ... wow! Who knew!
And they also get to do triple talaq! Excellent.. I mean everybody knows how much we love triple talaq.. I mean I was just telling my wife the other day I can’t imagine living in a world without it!

That’s awesome! No wonder the Muslims in India are so much well off compared to the majority hindus.. they own better houses, hold better jobs because of all these reservations, have much better overall social economic status and are just so much prosperous than their hindu compatriots.... right?


All these scheming Muslims! And they never wanted the NRC so they can illegally come over from Pakistan and settle in wonderful India so they can get those special reservations that the whole world is talking about! This kid pappu I knew in lahore when I was 9, his whole family secretly crossed the border and now they gave his dad the charge of ministry of improving Muslim affairs because of the reservation and guess what.. he loves triple talaq too! But he never liked red meat so he actually banned cow slaughter in most states... so no more steak and nihari because some butt hole Muslim with a reservation held post has now disallowed it!

Excellent!

Explain to me why all these scheming Muslims are always fighting for their rights and considered abject poverty ridden and unable to get basic right?

Triple talaq is such a big deal but banning cow slaughter is not? All these Muslims that are videos getting beaten up by Hindus and asked to say jai Shri Ram, they just be the ones who are making $100,000/year kind of jobs due to reservations right?


Who the eff do you think you are fooling here?

Do you even know what the NRC is? You have written too many words without even knowing what NRC is :))
 
There you have it.. no real answers to the pertinent questions except some other mumbo jumbo from our peace loving chai sipping and chai selling secular neighbors who are so generous with their reservations for poor Muslims in their country.

Amazing!
 
I already read it extensively and I know that they both are related. I know it is to exclude intruders from Bangladesh border. I am only answering about do indian Muslims has to worry? Answer is No. They are as Indian as Hindu and other religions people. [MENTION=6928]Iqbal'sh[/MENTION]

What about the Indian Muslims who have no evidence of their nationality? The poor or uneducated that didn’t deem it necessary to get paperwork prepared to have as a proof?

Based on the NRC in Assam you do know how many people are in this position?
 
Now they want you to know it wasn’t Muslims. Hahaha.. that’s precious..
 
What about the Indian Muslims who have no evidence of their nationality? The poor or uneducated that didn’t deem it necessary to get paperwork prepared to have as a proof?

Based on the NRC in Assam you do know how many people are in this position?

Good luck getting a straight answer, mate!
 
[MENTION=6928]Iqbal'sh[/MENTION] I am answering you as detail as I can . This is regarding Assam, if NRC will apply on other states. This will be the prototype.
If anyone wants to see his name in the citizens of Assam then they have to submit a form with any ‘List A’ documents to prove his residency in the state before March 25, 1971.

If anybody claims that his/ her ancestors are native residents of the Assam then he/she has to submit a form with any document mentioned in the ‘List B’.

List A documents include;

1. Electoral rolls upto March 25, 1971

2. NRC of 1951

3. Land and tenancy records

4. Citizenship certificate

5.Permanent resident certificate

6.Passport

7.Bank or LIC documents

8. Permanent Residential Certificate

9.Educational certificates and court order records

10.Refugee Registration Certificate

List B documents include;

1 . Land documents

2. Board or university certificates

3. Birth certificate

4. Bank/LIC/post office records

5. Ration card

6. Electoral rolls

7. Other legally acceptable documents

8. A circle officer or gram panchayat secretary certificate for married women.

Now answer me, don't muslim have any of these documents. So many hindus also don't have these documents but you can make these documents in any panchayat office if you have ancestors living in those block panchayats. I hope I have answer your query in detail.
 
[MENTION=6928]Iqbal'sh[/MENTION] I am answering you as per knowledge to you in detail. This is regarding Assam, if NRC will apply on other states. This will be the prototype.
If anyone wants to see his name in the citizens of Assam then they have to submit a form with any ‘List A’ documents to prove his residency in the state before March 25, 1971.

If anybody claims that his/ her ancestors are native residents of the Assam then he/she has to submit a form with any document mentioned in the ‘List B’.

List A documents include;

1. Electoral rolls upto March 25, 1971

2. NRC of 1951

3. Land and tenancy records

4. Citizenship certificate

5.Permanent resident certificate

6.Passport

7.Bank or LIC documents

8. Permanent Residential Certificate

9.Educational certificates and court order records

10.Refugee Registration Certificate

List B documents include;

1 . Land documents

2. Board or university certificates

3. Birth certificate

4. Bank/LIC/post office records

5. Ration card

6. Electoral rolls

7. Other legally acceptable documents

8. A circle officer or gram panchayat secretary certificate for married women.

Now answer me, don't muslim have any of these documents. So many hindus also don't have these documents but you can make these documents in any panchayat office if you have ancestors living in those block panchayats. I hope I have answer your query in detail.

Forget Hindu or Muslim, any Indian citizen not having any of these documents is a concern. I know our friends here like to see everything in the Muslims are the victim angle but the simple logic that having basic documentation is essential when you are living in a country seems to be going over their heads. Ironically most live in European countries or some in N.A were they have no issues giving fingerprints and producing any evidence in a heartbeat.
 
People are overreacting wrt Muslim quote Swamy made, there's nothing new about it, it's an open fact about what BJP think of Indian Muslims.

These two statements should concern people especially Indians more:

"Article 14 guarantees equality of equals"

"All people are not equal"

Muslims are an easy target right now, but these statements tell you what's coming after that.......
 
Their goal is to slowly exterminate them or make them so oppressed that they are forced to leave. That’s the goal. BJP wants to maintain their hold on power and that’s what their voters want. They want all the mosques demolished and mandirs built in place instead. So either you convert, leave or die.. no other choice left. They want hindus from bangladesh, Pakistan, etc but they also want the Muslims to go to these countries. Not a day goes by when we don’t hear that wish... “ go to Pakistan” “if you have a problem, go to Pakistan” “if you don’t like us trampling you’re civil rights, ....... go to Pakistan”

This is where they are headed.. and you are right.. one the Muslim problem is resolved they will move on to christians and then sikhs.
 
Their goal is to slowly exterminate them or make them so oppressed that they are forced to leave. That’s the goal. BJP wants to maintain their hold on power and that’s what their voters want. They want all the mosques demolished and mandirs built in place instead. So either you convert, leave or die.. no other choice left. They want hindus from bangladesh, Pakistan, etc but they also want the Muslims to go to these countries. Not a day goes by when we don’t hear that wish... “ go to Pakistan” “if you have a problem, go to Pakistan” “if you don’t like us trampling you’re civil rights, ....... go to Pakistan”

This is where they are headed.. and you are right.. one the Muslim problem is resolved they will move on to christians and then sikhs.

Sadly that's where it's going.
 
Their goal is to slowly exterminate them or make them so oppressed that they are forced to leave. That’s the goal. BJP wants to maintain their hold on power and that’s what their voters want. They want all the mosques demolished and mandirs built in place instead. So either you convert, leave or die.. no other choice left. They want hindus from bangladesh, Pakistan, etc but they also want the Muslims to go to these countries. Not a day goes by when we don’t hear that wish... “ go to Pakistan” “if you have a problem, go to Pakistan” “if you don’t like us trampling you’re civil rights, ....... go to Pakistan”

This is where they are headed.. and you are right.. one the Muslim problem is resolved they will move on to christians and then sikhs.


Keep dreaming.
 
What about the Indian Muslims who have no evidence of their nationality? The poor or uneducated that didn’t deem it necessary to get paperwork prepared to have as a proof?

Based on the NRC in Assam you do know how many people are in this position?

There are lots of indians who do not have any evidence of their indian nationality or birth certificate. In case of hindus, they only have to prove they are hindu and if they are muslims then you know very well what will happen to them. :inti
 
Forget Hindu or Muslim, any Indian citizen not having any of these documents is a concern. I know our friends here like to see everything in the Muslims are the victim angle but the simple logic that having basic documentation is essential when you are living in a country seems to be going over their heads. Ironically most live in European countries or some in N.A were they have no issues giving fingerprints and producing any evidence in a heartbeat.
1.9 million people don’t have these documents in Assam alone. Roughly 40% of these are Bengali Hindus who can fall back on the CAA and claim they are a discriminated minority from neighbouring Bangladesh even though they could have migrated anytime after 1951.
It might be a general concern that people do not possess evidentiary documents especially if you are posting from the West. However it is a fact that many people have not bothered to get the paperwork made - 1.9 million in Assam alone.
The wider issue is that the Bengali Hindus have a ‘get out of jail’ free card - CAA - one that discriminates against Muslims who find themselves in the exact same position as their Bengali brothers.
 
[MENTION=6928]Iqbal'sh[/MENTION] I am answering you as detail as I can . This is regarding Assam, if NRC will apply on other states. This will be the prototype.
If anyone wants to see his name in the citizens of Assam then they have to submit a form with any ‘List A’ documents to prove his residency in the state before March 25, 1971.

If anybody claims that his/ her ancestors are native residents of the Assam then he/she has to submit a form with any document mentioned in the ‘List B’.

List A documents include;

1. Electoral rolls upto March 25, 1971

2. NRC of 1951

3. Land and tenancy records

4. Citizenship certificate

5.Permanent resident certificate

6.Passport

7.Bank or LIC documents

8. Permanent Residential Certificate

9.Educational certificates and court order records

10.Refugee Registration Certificate

List B documents include;

1 . Land documents

2. Board or university certificates

3. Birth certificate

4. Bank/LIC/post office records

5. Ration card

6. Electoral rolls

7. Other legally acceptable documents

8. A circle officer or gram panchayat secretary certificate for married women.

Now answer me, don't muslim have any of these documents. So many hindus also don't have these documents but you can make these documents in any panchayat office if you have ancestors living in those block panchayats. I hope I have answer your query in detail.
Why are you continuing to post information that is already widely known.
Can you address the disadvantage that the Bengali Muslims whose family migrated in 1952 now find themselves at compared to Bengali Hindus who did the same?
 
There are lots of indians who do not have any evidence of their indian nationality or birth certificate. In case of hindus, they only have to prove they are hindu and if they are muslims then you know very well what will happen to them. :inti
Fair play to you as you are one of the very few Indians who acknowledge this
 
Honestly proper hero that lad.... Can't thank him enough.

With every pathetic statement from yet another BJP politician (they really have a strong pipeline producing those, don't they) I just can't forget Quaid's ehsan on us.

Thank You Mohammad Ali Jinnah ❤️
God bless you.
 
With every pathetic statement from yet another BJP politician (they really have a strong pipeline producing those, don't they) I just can't forget Quaid's ehsan on us.

Thank You Mohammad Ali Jinnah ❤️
God bless you.

Dont you think Pakistan should implement a CAA kind of law where it will give citizenship to all persecuted muslims from India? Its all good to say 'Thanks Jinnah' and all but if muslims are really tortured in India, Pakistan should act as a big brother asap by protecting them.
 
Here is the full program aired by VICE.

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Where are the superstars of India? Amitabh Bachchan, Sachin, Kohli, shahrukh etc. who is coming out to condemn this? Where is the PM of modi?

This might create another Pakistan.

They (the 'Superstars') Just haven't got the bottle to speak out in the currently dominant Hindo-Facist climate.
The sad part is, these 'Superstars' will end up adopting the 'Ideology' just like the millions of other brainwashed Hindus.
 
They (the 'Superstars') Just haven't got the bottle to speak out in the currently dominant Hindo-Facist climate.
The sad part is, these 'Superstars' will end up adopting the 'Ideology' just like the millions of other brainwashed Hindus.

They already have. Tbh the backlash you get for saying anything against hindus facist government is overwhelming. There are so many Indians in the world and all of them attacks you. It can be mentally difficult and you put yourself and your family in danger. Not to talk about business wise you lose as well.

In the long run this policy is not good for India.
 
If you speak out, you will be sent to Pakistan. That’s how it is! There are good people in india. But they are forced to be quiet. Because the chumps like the ones we see post here everyday have taken over. Nobody wants their and their family’s safety jeopardized. Or their rozee roti.
 
Dont you think Pakistan should implement a CAA kind of law where it will give citizenship to all persecuted muslims from India? Its all good to say 'Thanks Jinnah' and all but if muslims are really tortured in India, Pakistan should act as a big brother asap by protecting them.

We are already taking care of thousands of Afghan refugees who are our Muslim brothers as well and in much worse conditions as compared to Indian Muslims.

I'm quite sure more than half of the current Afghan cricket team were born and raised in Pakistan.
Can you say the same for any of your neighbour's citizens?
 
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