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[VIDEO] New Zealand win 1st Test by 101 runs despite heroics by Fawad Alam (102) and M. Rizwan (60)

Fawad’s thigh pad could be used for presidential bullet proof security
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
I think he has the perfect skillset for that enforcer’s role like Archer or Wagner. Why doesn’t he?
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He doesn’t have their height and thus the bounce. You need that for such a role.

He doesn’t have Jofra’s pace over course of series. Even in England series he outpaced Jofra initially but then wilted away. May be to do with age. I think there’s a stamina issue

Doesn’t hit the seam regularly enough.

Is not disciplined. Fails to maintain a good line. Strays too often and hence is carted around.

All these aren’t big problem and May be can improved. But together they are huge problems and why his numbers are the way they are. But most importantly, international cricket ISN’T the place to fix these issues.
 
Disgusting bowling frm the kiwis. Once they seen Pak batsmen are playing positive and going for it. They have resorted to short pitched bowling. Bouncer after bouncer. Loser mentality
 
Such bias commentary to Fawad, how is he or anyone to play what they've thrown at him???
 
Rayyman said:
We need to find a #3 man.

I guess Azhar can be used for another year or so until Haider Ali or Zeeshan Malik are ready. Or try Usman who just made a double ton at #3.

For the next series, Pak can play: Imam, Butt, Azhar, Babar, Fawad, Rizwan as the top 6.

And if Fawad fails then Saud can come in.
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Thing is if Azhar does not go after this series, he's not going until the end of 2022.

SAF at home means he is likely to score. Feel like it may be easier to hand a debut to someone in familiar conditions and see how that pans out.

Last thing I would want is Asad Shafiq's return. Don't think he can come in for Fawad as things stand. Unless Haris streaks his way to a fifty or a hundred in the next game, his slot is most likely to be filled if PAK think about a 6-4 combination vs SAF.
 
Yk313 said:
Thing is if Azhar does not go after this series, he's not going until the end of 2022.

SAF at home means he is likely to score. Feel like it may be easier to hand a debut to someone in familiar conditions and see how that pans out.

Last thing I would want is Asad Shafiq's return. Don't think he can come in for Fawad as things stand. Unless Haris streaks his way to a fifty or a hundred in the next game, his slot is most likely to be filled if PAK think about a 6-4 combination vs SAF.
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In that case I would play Usman Salahuddin at #3
 
Slog said:
He doesn’t have their height and thus the bounce. You need that for such a role.

He doesn’t have Jofra’s pace over course of series. Even in England series he outpaced Jofra initially but then wilted away. May be to do with age. I think there’s a stamina issue

Doesn’t hit the seam regularly enough.

Is not disciplined. Fails to maintain a good line. Strays too often and hence is carted around.

All these aren’t big problem and May be can improved. But together they are huge problems and why his numbers are the way they are. But most importantly, international cricket ISN’T the place to fix these issues.
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Not sure if he knows what his role is and even more, not sure if he is enjoying being out there.

When he got the wicket of Root in the first Test, any young fast bowler, especially with the pedigree of PAK's lore regarding fast bowling, would have been incredibly pumped and would have been relishing a go at the next batsman.

Unless I was imagining it, Naseem's celebration was subdued, he seemed tired and almost did not want to be there. I don't think the is fully clued in on what is taking place.
 
Slog said:
He doesn’t have their height and thus the bounce. You need that for such a role.

He doesn’t have Jofra’s pace over course of series. Even in England series he outpaced Jofra initially but then wilted away. May be to do with age. I think there’s a stamina issue

Doesn’t hit the seam regularly enough.

Is not disciplined. Fails to maintain a good line. Strays too often and hence is carted around.

All these aren’t big problem and May be can improved. But together they are huge problems and why his numbers are the way they are. But most importantly, international cricket ISN’T the place to fix these issues.
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He outpaced Jofra consistently no?

Also, his action provides him more bounce than most bowlers - just watch his bowling in Australia to Warner, but also his bowling against Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.

Hitting the seam regularly - experience issue, but something he can quickly learn, surely? He also has pace to back it up. Obviously if he keeps bowling 135kph like he is right now then there’s no point, I would just go with Hassan Ali. Which I have suggested for the SA series. But once he’s back up on pace, he’s a very good addition to the attack I feel, adds variety and exploits cracks in the pitch well in the second innings especially to nip the ball around.
 
Lol Azhar said he has 4-5 years of cricket left and our fans think he’s leaving next year :))

Due to Misbah and Younis all of our players think that average age to retire is 40.

Shehzad (who must be close to 30 now) claims he has 10-12 years left
 
At least these 2 are showing some courage and fight out there.

About time too.
 
Faisalabadimunda said:
Disgusting bowling frm the kiwis. Once they seen Pak batsmen are playing positive and going for it. They have resorted to short pitched bowling. Bouncer after bouncer. Loser mentality
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Agreed, absolutely shameful. If this was Pakistan, we’d be blasting our “defensive captaincy” about this.
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
He outpaced Jofra consistently no?

Also, his action provides him more bounce than most bowlers - just watch his bowling in Australia to Warner, but also his bowling against Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.

Hitting the seam regularly - experience issue, but something he can quickly learn, surely? He also has pace to back it up. Obviously if he keeps bowling 135kph like he is right now then there’s no point, I would just go with Hassan Ali. Which I have suggested for the SA series. But once he’s back up on pace, he’s a very good addition to the attack I feel, adds variety and exploits cracks in the pitch well in the second innings especially to nip the ball around.
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He needs experience at domestic level to learn all that and experiment what works for him. International cricket isn’t the place for that. You don’t draft a youngster into the Test team after him playing half a season of FC cricket.
 
Would love if Rizwan can score a 100 here. Also would love the some for Fawad (in a weird way more for his personal satisfaction and for proving critics wrong - purely out of empathy as the guy has toiled long and hard over the years).
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
Agreed, absolutely shameful. If this was Pakistan, we’d be blasting our “defensive captaincy” about this.
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I think they know we’ll implode ourselves sooner or later anyway :))

Most of the wickets we have given weren’t off great deliveries.
 
Watched all 14 Pakistan wickets in this match so far.

I would say at least 9 or 10 could have been avoided.
 
Slog said:
He needs experience at domestic level to learn all that and experiment what works for him. International cricket isn’t the place for that. You don’t draft a youngster into the Test team after him playing half a season of FC cricket.
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That I definitely agree with, but also i don’t see the point of dropping him now. “Rest” him for SA and then we’ll have no Test cricket for an entire year or so except for Bangladesh, which he can play or not doesn’t matter. He can then play first class cricket in October-November of 2021 when the T20 World Cup is going on. By then, hopefully he’s back up on pace. What’s the issue?
 
Saj said:
Watched all 14 Pakistan wickets in this match so far.

I would say at least 9 or 10 could have been avoided.
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Indeed Saj awful batting..its such a flat wicket and here we are blaming our bowlers. Although we got the best bowling conditions when we won the toss but wasted the new ball
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
Agreed, absolutely shameful. If this was Pakistan, we’d be blasting our “defensive captaincy” about this.
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This is not defensive, per say. NZD have shown 100% conviction in each tactic they have orchestrated. If Wagner is to bowl short, around the wicket et cetera, they will not half-*** the job with just one or two fielders on the leg side. They will pack that field and put their better fielders there.

Let's look at a few examples:

When Ashwin is bowling at Smith's legs, being an off-spinner, there is a limited number of places/shots Smith can play the ball to, if he plays orthodox cricket shots, right? No difference to any other orthodox batsman who will (naturally) glance the ball off their pads with it turn into them from that length and line. However, the conviction in the plan comes into the picture when you also position a square leg, a fine leg inside the circle, a midwicket etc. to ensure that not only does the person remain susceptible to the glance, but can also not nudge the ball for a single. Or if the batsman tries to go for a brazen pull, there is doubt in their mind about getting caught out etc.

Not like Rahat Ali standing at deep fine leg when the plan was so obviously to bounce out Watson (despite the fluke catch Rahat had taken earlier). Sorry - still have not gotten over this.
 
Slog said:
He needs experience at domestic level to learn all that and experiment what works for him. International cricket isn’t the place for that. You don’t draft a youngster into the Test team after him playing half a season of FC cricket.
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Did anyone on PP heed what Rahane said about Gill and Siraj? And why he believes they were so adept at adapting to the International level.
 
So first session is almost over... that means almost 1/3 of the day.
If these two can survive the next 15 minutes... it means we can start hoping?

I mean... IF we manage to DRAW this... it will be a huge achievement!
 
Oh my that spin on last ball thats not good we just need one ball to spin and we fall like deck of cards
 
Kudos to Fawad's fitness. My days of playing even Div 2 are gone now lol where we were expected to have enough fitness to duck under all these bouncers. My back is hurting just looking at this now ahah.
 
Oye hoye, Fawad larkay. Please do not get out. Forget about the future of the career but you have worked hard in this innings and to get here after all these years. All the best!
 
Faddy calm down..no need for these shots when fielders are placed..he needs to keep being brave and take the hits
 
Yk313 said:
This is not defensive, per say. NZD have shown 100% conviction in each tactic they have orchestrated. If Wagner is to bowl short, around the wicket et cetera, they will not half-*** the job with just one or two fielders on the leg side. They will pack that field and put their better fielders there.

Let's look at a few examples:

When Ashwin is bowling at Smith's legs, being an off-spinner, there is a limited number of places/shots Smith can play the ball to, if he plays orthodox cricket shots, right? No difference to any other orthodox batsman who will (naturally) glance the ball off their pads with it turn into them from that length and line. However, the conviction in the plan comes into the picture when you also position a square leg, a fine leg inside the circle, a midwicket etc. to ensure that not only does the person remain susceptible to the glance, but can also not nudge the ball for a single. Or if the batsman tries to go for a brazen pull, there is doubt in their mind about getting caught out etc.

Not like Rahat Ali standing at deep fine leg when the plan was so obviously to bounce out Watson (despite the fluke catch Rahat had taken earlier). Sorry - still have not gotten over this.
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You’re right, but notice how they didn’t even bring the spinner on until just now. Commentators were talking about this too - you want them to get into rhythm. Now there’s not much time left until the second new ball. So what are they trying to do?
 
Yk313 said:
This is not defensive, per say. NZD have shown 100% conviction in each tactic they have orchestrated. If Wagner is to bowl short, around the wicket et cetera, they will not half-*** the job with just one or two fielders on the leg side. They will pack that field and put their better fielders there.

Let's look at a few examples:

When Ashwin is bowling at Smith's legs, being an off-spinner, there is a limited number of places/shots Smith can play the ball to, if he plays orthodox cricket shots, right? No difference to any other orthodox batsman who will (naturally) glance the ball off their pads with it turn into them from that length and line. However, the conviction in the plan comes into the picture when you also position a square leg, a fine leg inside the circle, a midwicket etc. to ensure that not only does the person remain susceptible to the glance, but can also not nudge the ball for a single. Or if the batsman tries to go for a brazen pull, there is doubt in their mind about getting caught out etc.

Not like Rahat Ali standing at deep fine leg when the plan was so obviously to bounce out Watson (despite the fluke catch Rahat had taken earlier). Sorry - still have not gotten over this.
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Completely agree. Bowling plans need to be precise and well orchestrated. This level of planning is missing in our management. You must have at least 2-3 plans for each batsman.
 
Not good running risky running..rizwan worries me and now they have started to hoooook which is even worrying
 
Cannot believe Wagner is being bowled over Jamie's on. I would have brought back one of Southee or Boult as well.
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
You’re right, but notice how they didn’t even bring the spinner on until just now. Commentators were talking about this too - you want them to get into rhythm. Now there’s not much time left until the second new ball. So what are they trying to do?
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They seemed to be going with the concept that pace troubles PAK. And this has been true historically and in the incumbent Test. Does not mean though that these tactics are all mutually exclusive. For every one way of trying to get a batsman out there are many others that could be tried.

Put it like this, had Wagner or Southee broken the partnership just as the commentators were saying what they were saying or as you were typing your comment, would that mean that they/you were wrong to suggest a change in bowling? Not necessarily. Hindsight is amazing to have but cricket is a sport with many moving variables and there is no way of saying that something else could work/could have worked without trying it. Do not have the luxury of running a "control experiment" to test hypotheses.
 
With Chris Gaffney you know there is an umpire’s call waiting to happen
 
Saj said:
Watched all 14 Pakistan wickets in this match so far.

I would say at least 9 or 10 could have been avoided.
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That actually tells how poor PAK batting is. Had they been scoring at higher rate, say 3.5+, it could have been justified that batsmen went to play the shots and got out to wrong shot or ball selection; but here they have scored at less than 2 rate for most part of first innings and got out to avoidable shots.

That rings two alarm bells -

1. There is very little shot making ability
2. The judgement on shot selection is poor

A deadly combination......
 
I was expecting Pak would score 70 runs this session and lose 3 wickets. So I guess they done well unless they lose a wicket in last over.
 
UzmanBeast said:
Completely agree. Bowling plans need to be precise and well orchestrated. This level of planning is missing in our management. You must have at least 2-3 plans for each batsman.
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Little disappointed, I must say. Even pre advent data-technology etc, YK was known for on-field tactical nous and cricketing acumen. I get a feeling he's not fully come out of his shell and started offering opinions on matters other than just batting.

He used to be quite good in terms of positioning fielders, giving pointers to bowlers etc. Have an old post from this summer on PP with some of his orchestrated dismissals which is somewhere but cannot be asked to locate it right now. Feel free to disregard what I am saying if you do not agree, will look for the post another day.

Which leaves Waqar etc. No comments on this front.
 
My word

We took this game into day 5 lunch

We are going to win the next World Test Championship!!!
 
One takeaway from this test is that if Babar and Shadab replace Haris and Yasir, the following middle/lower order is actually relatively decent in the short term:

Babar
Fawad
Rizwan
Shadab
Faheem

Knowing what a useless coach Misbah is, there’s no chance he makes full scale changes to our embarrassing top order and pace bowling. For now the best option which I’ve always stood behind is forcing Azhar to play as an opener, shifting Babar to 3 and bringing in Ghulam and Saud to compete for the #4 spot (could even try them at 3 and keep Babar at 4). Since there’s no one better, keep Naseem in the team alongside Shaheen, and bring in Hasan Ali and another top domestic bowler as a third choice option.

In an ideal world you’d replace all the tailenders who currently make up our top order, but there’s more chance of Fawad playing a flowing cover drive than that happening.
 
For the first time in a long while, all of India are praying for Pakistan
 
Wagner is his own enemy here

If he wants to bowl short and wants Fawad to take him on, he needs to remove the deep mid wicket and the fine leg

Let Fawad have it, one will have his name on it
 
If only Azhar played a substantial inni g becoming his experience Pak could have saved the match.
 
Pretty interesting first session.

Pakistan needs 236 runs and New Zealand 6 wickets.
 
imshally81 said:
What is the equation for test championship?
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I think if Pakistan draw this, All India has to do is whitewash England at home, even if they lose the next two Tests in Australia

I’m not sure about this though
 
I can see Pakistan press on their self-destruction button in the second session.

It’s happened way too many times :(
 
imshally81 said:
What is the equation for test championship?
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I think if Pakistan draw this, All India has to do is whitewash England at home, even if they lose the next two Tests in Australia

I’m not sure about this though
 
When was the last time a Test match went into day 5 in NZ? They are making quite a big deal out of this
 
I cannot see Pakistan having such bowling plans and sticking to such bowling plans. My question is, this is happening in front of our

1. Head coach
2. Bowling coach
3. Batting coach
4. The entire "senior" lot
5. The youngsters

Why do they ever not learn anything from this?

I, a total amateur, would actually pick things just watching people play sports who are better than me. The grip on the bat, the wrist position, where to stand when you are fielding in slips, etc. Why can't our elite sportsmen learn a thing or two from the opposition?
 
Are we still minnow and Bangladesh/afghan/windies level or back to great cricket 🏏 nation???
 
Mueez said:
I can see Pakistan press on their self-destruction button in the second session.

It’s happened way too many times :(
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Edgbaston, Hamilton, Sydney, Melbourne (not sure about this one but referring to 2016).
 
ataullah said:
Are we still minnow and Bangladesh/afghan/windies level or back to great cricket 🏏 nation???
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Apparently minnow, despite the fact that the GOAT Asian team couldn’t make it to day 4 against the same side just a year ago, twice
 
This fawad will be second coming of that useless Asad shafiq who has been the worst player ever to play more than 70 tests.He will score same useless runs for the next 4-5 years as Asad useless shafiq scored.
 
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