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[MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION] - The premise of your logic is: Once a cheat, always a cheat.

Let's call Sachin a cheat too. That's fine.

Now why do you consider only Ashwin a cheat and not the great Pak bowlers?

Now defend your logic.

Why the inconsistency?

Look I didn't call him a cheat? I only said he has himself admitted of throwing to get wickets in IPL and Asia cup. I'm just saying if next time he takes any wicket fingers might be raised at him. I'm not passing any judgment but I'm just saying how people will be suspicious of him in the future..It doesn't have to be me.

as far as ball tampering is concerned, well it is something that every good bowler has done at some point. I've no problem if you label Imran Khan a cheat for his ball tampering but then no great fast bowlers would escape. They would fall in the same category.
 
Let's see for how long BCCI hides him.

And let's see if any umpire has guts to report his action to be tested. This should be the minimum.

Hafeez's action is as smooth as Ashwin's if not better but he was targeted in CLT20.

LOL, so at the minimum Umpires should report Ashwin to satisfy your ego?
Ashwin has a pretty clean action. But if he tries anything shady for wickets, he will get reported just like Hafeez was.

But he is a pretty smart guy, I don't think you will find anything wrong with his action now. He probably sat out to ensure his action is totally flawless.
 
will this suryakumar dude go to the new chennai 'test' centre to get tested? lol isn't he lucky he's got a bunch of dodgy biomechanic experts next door on :srini's payroll
 
Look I didn't call him a cheat? I only said he has himself admitted of throwing to get wickets in IPL and Asia cup. I'm just saying if next time he takes any wicket fingers might be raised at him. I'm not passing any judgment but I'm just saying how people will be suspicious of him in the future..It doesn't have to be me.

as far as ball tampering is concerned, well it is something that every good bowler has done at some point. I've no problem if you label Imran Khan a cheat for his ball tampering but then no great fast bowlers would escape. They would fall in the same category.

any evidence to support your claim?Lets start with McGrath?when did he tamper the ball?
 
LOL, so at the minimum Umpires should report Ashwin to satisfy your ego?
Ashwin has a pretty clean action. But if he tries anything shady for wickets, he will get reported just like Hafeez was.

But he is a pretty smart guy, I don't think you will find anything wrong with his action now. He probably sat out to ensure his action is totally flawless.

I agree his action is totally flawless....until he gets a wicket..:narine
 
any evidence to support your claim?Lets start with McGrath?when did he tamper the ball?

These things are hard to proof with evidence. No body knew Imran did few occasions until he himself admitted. BTW refer to post #71 for the proofs that it has been done by many good bowlers in the past. Even the Australian team have been accused of ball tampering twice in last few years. One against SL 2012 and the other time it was against SA when Warner was fined.
 
Look I didn't call him a cheat? I only said he has himself admitted of throwing to get wickets in IPL and Asia cup. I'm just saying if next time he takes any wicket fingers might be raised at him. I'm not passing any judgment but I'm just saying how people will be suspicious of him in the future..It doesn't have to be me.

as far as ball tampering is concerned, well it is something that every good bowler has done at some point. I've no problem if you label Imran Khan a cheat for his ball tampering but then no great fast bowlers would escape. They would fall in the same category.

Let's consider the argument you are using in the above post.

If you view ball tampering/reverse swing in the old days with suspicion (for every case), then NOT all great bowlers' legacy are affected. Only a few of them are affected. The legacy of bowlers like Ambrose, Fred Trueman, Donald, Marshall, Holding, etc don't get affected one bit. Even someone like Steyn who has an overwhelming majority of wickets without reverse swing doesn't have his legacy affected much.

Personally, I am not going to label anyone cheat nor do I want to. I respect all the great bowlers.

Reg suspicion over Ashwin's action, here's what happened:

There was a time when a lot of bowlers were breaking the rules and were escaping ONLY because they weren't getting reported. One bowler who was clean decided to employ the same methods and did it for a couple of times to see if he could get such advantages which his peers were getting.

Later on the governing authority decided that enough is enough and started reporting bowlers NOT based on their past deliveries but on their current deliveries. Those who were breaking the rules couldn't get in line cos their actions were illegal. They got reported and banned. This bowler who generally bowls it clean, had no problems adjusting cos he simply had to stop bowling his dodgy deliveries which he promptly did.

Now some people are saying, that this bowler MUST ALSO BE REPORTED just because he bowled a few deliveries illegally at a time when others were bowling and no one was getting reported. They say he must be reported for his past deliveries even though the governing authorities didn't use that yardstick to report or ban ANY bowler.

Tell me how logical or fair is this?

Is this bowler bowling dodgy deliveries now? If yes, I would want him to get reported.

But he's not.

Basically people are crucifying him for doing what his peers did to get certain advantages his regular action was NOT giving him. And he only did it AT A TIME when such stuff was allowed.

Watch this bowler in the CLT20 final. Check the highlights. There is no suspicion over his action. If people have any suspicion (even if its not you, as you say), that doesn't make it right.

Simple one line that explains this case:

This bowler can chuck but he doesn't have to chuck to bowl normally.
 
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These things are hard to proof with evidence. No body knew Imran did few occasions until he himself admitted. BTW refer to post #71 for the proofs that it has been done by many good bowlers in the past. Even the Australian team have been accused of ball tampering twice in last few years. One against SL 2012 and the other time it was against SA when Warner was fined.

If it can't be proven,its hogwash.Just because Imran admitted doesnt mean everyone does it.In those days technology wasnt enough to catch them anyway.Today its hard to escape with high quality cameres all round
 
If it can't be proven,its hogwash.Just because Imran admitted doesnt mean everyone does it.In those days technology wasnt enough to catch them anyway.Today its hard to escape with high quality cameres all round

Trescothic admitted ball tampering happened in the 2005 Ashes series, what technology or cameras picked it up?
 
Let's consider the argument you are using in the above post.

If you view ball tampering/reverse swing in the old days with suspicion (for every case), then NOT all great bowlers' legacy are affected. Only a few of them are affected. The legacy of bowlers like Ambrose, Fred Trueman, Donald, Marshall, Holding, etc don't get affected one bit. Even someone like Steyn who has an overwhelming majority of wickets without reverse swing doesn't have his legacy affected much.

Personally, I am not going to label anyone cheat nor do I want to. I respect all the great bowlers.

Reg suspicion over Ashwin's action, here's what happened:

There was a time when a lot of bowlers were breaking the rules and were escaping ONLY because they weren't getting reported. One bowler who was clean decided to employ the same methods and did it for a couple of times to see if he could get such advantages which his peers were getting.

Later on the governing authority decided that enough is enough and started reporting bowlers NOT based on their past deliveries but on their current deliveries. Those who were breaking the rules couldn't get in line cos their actions were illegal. They got reported and banned. This bowler who generally bowls it clean, had no problems adjusting cos he simply had to stop bowling his dodgy deliveries which he promptly did.

Now some people are saying, that this bowler MUST ALSO BE REPORTED just because he bowled a few deliveries illegally at a time when others were bowling and no one was getting reported. They say he must be reported for his past deliveries even though the governing authorities didn't use that yardstick to report or ban ANY bowler.

Tell me how logical or fair is this?

Is this bowler bowling dodgy deliveries now? If yes, I would want him to get reported.

But he's not.

Basically people are crucifying him for doing what his peers did to get certain advantages his regular action was NOT giving him. And he only did it AT A TIME when such stuff was allowed.

Watch this bowler in the CLT20 final. Check the highlights. There is no suspicion over his action. If people have any suspicion (even if its not you, as you say), that doesn't make it right.

How do you know they were clean? There was no technology. Even Imran was never caught. We learn it from his book. He was brave enough to take the ownership but I doubt most would. With technology we have caught big names in these last 10 years which makes my case stronger.

Simple one line that explains this case:

This bowler can chuck but he doesn't have to chuck to bowl normally.

agreed and that is why everyone would look him closely.
 
What will it take to stop this subset of fans whingeing? All the suspicious bowlers are being rooted out, nothing is personal.
 
Trescothic admitted ball tampering happened in the 2005 Ashes series, what technology or cameras picked it up?

So just because he wasnt caught it means all do it?What logic is that?

Cameras caught Saffers recently,many others have been caught too.But lets just focus on 1-2 instances where they werent and say everybody does it

Its like a thief surrendering himself without being caught and then police arresting everyone saying if one thief wasnt caught,everyone else must be a thief too.Sounds sensible?
 
How do you know they were clean? There was no technology. Even Imran was never caught. We learn it from his book. He was brave enough to take the ownership but I doubt most would. With technology we have caught big names in these last 10 years which makes my case stronger.

Many great bowlers didn't have to rely on reverse swing at all for their wickets. So the question of them not being clean doesn't arise.

Those days no one was caught but people knew what was happening.

In my opinion, things like these don't affect certain Pak bowler's legacy cos they were good at everything.

From an argument POV - if you view all reverse swing doubtfully, then not all bowler's legacy get affected (as you said). Only a few get affected.

agreed and that is why everyone would look him closely.

Fair enough. But people have declared him a bowler who is chucking right now and that's something I dispute.
 
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Was Suryakumar Yadav unlucky not to be in the Indian LO squad?

Suryakumar Yadav has been impressive in the last couple of IPLs. Excellent against spin, has a good shot range , knows how to pace an innings, and has shown he can perform under pressure. Surely he deserved a chance over someone like Manish Pandey who hasn't done much at international level.

In my opinion he was unlucky to at least not be in the squad vs Australia.
 
He’s 30 years old, it should be now or never for Suryakumar when it comes to playing white ball cricket for India.

However people are treating him like some kind of up and coming youngster.

Eg -

IPL 2020: Sourav Ganguly identifies six young talents, shares special message for Suryakumar Yadav


Ganguly singled out Suryakumar for praise and said the day is not far when he breaks into the Indian side. “He is a very good player,” said Ganguly in an interview with Hindustan Times. “His time will come.”

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...kumar-yadav/story-k65m5JMX40IcT35eDYivlN.html
 
A debut for him today in the 2nd T20I against England. From what I've seen of him, he thoroughly deserves this chance
 
Deserves a promotion up the batting order i n the ongoign Sri Lanka series.
 
'I would certainly prefer him to Pujara or Rahane': Engineer wants India's 'trump card' to play 3rd Test at Headingley
While most teams are unwilling to tamper with a winning combination, former wicketkeeper Farokh Engineer reckons India could do with making one change in their line-up for the Test match at Leeds.

India will head into the third Test match against England at Headingly with a 1-0 lead, and while in such a scenario, most teams are unwilling to tamper with a winning combination, former wicketkeeper Farokh Engineer reckons India could do with making one change in their line-up for the Test match at Leeds starting August 25.

A lot has been spoken about Cheteshwar Pujara and Ajinkya Rahane, and while both batsmen played useful knocks in India's second innings at Lord's, putting together a 100-run partnership, Engineer feels leaving either of the two for Suryakumar Yadav could work well for Virat Kohli.

Suryakumar and Prithvi Shaw were drafted into the Indian team after Shubman Gill, Washington Sundar and Avesh Khan sustained injuries and were ruled out of the series, and the former wicketkeeper, while using the terms 'class' and 'match-winner' for Yadav, is confident of the batman proving to be a valuable addition in the Playing XI.

"Firstly, I am a huge fan of Suryakumar Yadav. I think he is a class player. I would certainly prefer him to Pujara or Rahane. They are class players, very good players, but Suryakumar Yadav is a match-winner. With Shreyas Iyer out of the team with injury, I think Suryakumar should certainly be in the team. He is an aggressive player; he will get you a quick hundred, a quick 70-80. He is a fabulous batsman, fabulous fielder and a wonderful human being as well," Engineer told Sports Tak in an interview.

Suryakumar has had a brilliant start to his international career, scoring 124 runs in three ODIs with one fifty and 139 runs in four T20Is, with two half-centuries. He and Shaw last featured for India during the limited-overs series in Sri Lanka, after which they flew to England and reunited with the team on the final day of the Lord's Test. Engineer predicts the Headingley surface to be ideal for batsmen, in which case, it could be a great opportunity for Suryakumar to make his Test debut for India.

"People are usually reluctant to change a winning combination but like they say 'horses for courses'. It depends on the wicket in Headingley. I don't see it being too different. The Headingley pitch will be a good Test wicket. It's considered to be one of the finest batting pitches in the world. So, I would like to see the inclusion of Suryakumar Yadav. He is the trump card in the team," Engineer added.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/i-would-certainly-prefer-him-over-cheteshwar-pujara-or-ajinkya-rahane-farokh-engineer-wants-india-s-trump-card-suryakumar-yadav-to-play-third-test-at-headingley-against-england-101629618747825.html
 
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Truly remarkable 360 degree game today. He was simply toying with field. Deep fine leg to Deep thirdman he covered pretty much every angle.
 
Why doesn't he get the same credit as Pant and Pandya ?

Hate to say it but I think looks definitely play a part.

Not saying much because Pant and Pandya aren't models or anything but they got somewhat of a swag, aura, and personality.

Unfortunate how this world works but there's your answer.
 
Why doesn't he get the same credit as Pant and Pandya ?

Pant in tests has been best player for India overseas last few Years. He's been under par in other formats though.

Not sure how many pundits hype up Pandya. Maybe he was a good captain this season that may have earned him a few praises.

SKY looks a brilliant talent though. Should have a good future, across formats
 
Why doesn't he get the same credit as Pant and Pandya ?

Age plays a part too. Pant is 24 and is the best Indian test batsman.

Pandya is 28 and has been India's viral cog in LOIs.

Surya is 31 but I think now it is time to accept that he is India's best T20 batsman in the world.
 
Hate to say it but I think looks definitely play a part.

Not saying much because Pant and Pandya aren't models or anything but they got somewhat of a swag, aura, and personality.

Unfortunate how this world works but there's your answer.

Yes I agree with that Pant and Pandya have swag and aura hence why they get hyped up and backed alot more.
 
Age plays a part too. Pant is 24 and is the best Indian test batsman.

Pandya is 28 and has been India's viral cog in LOIs.

Surya is 31 but I think now it is time to accept that he is India's best T20 batsman in the world.

I think what the above poster said about swag and aura that's why they will always get more recognition.
 
I think what the above poster said about swag and aura that's why they will always get more recognition.

Pandya gets only hype due to his PR.

Pant’s test exploits is what gets him hype.
Pant got a lot of hate and he still does on social media when he doesn’t perform.(the senior players came out in his defense multiple times, incl Rohit before his test performance).
 
He reminds me of early days of Rohit Sharma. The hype and capability.

Can be a successor of Rohit Sharma.
 
He reminds me of early days of Rohit Sharma. The hype and capability.

Can be a successor of Rohit Sharma.

He is a 31 year old. Flashy, exciting and 360 degree player, more like an inferior version of ABD.

Will suit at no.5 in Indian ODI team and no 4 in Indian t20 team although in T20s, he is versatile enough to bat at any position. In ODIs also, he will play 80% of his knocks at 100+ strike rate. Defense is probably not as good which is why tests is a bit of question mark for him.
 
Brilliant innings so far for SKY - 67* (35)

Taking India to an easy win - frightening to see the backup in terms of batting India have
 
His threat of dethroning Babar in T20I rankings has failed to materialize.

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Former Australia captain Ricky Ponting thinks Suryakumar Yadav must bat at No.4 for India in T20Is and has compared the emerging star with South Africa great AB de Villiers.

The first ball Yadav faced in international cricket was as good a sign as any of his skill and bravado when, with a swift swivel, he pulled a Jofra Archer short ball aimed at his head for six.

Still, like with any raw talent, longevity is the best indicator of a truly world-class player. And Yadav followed his promising start with breathtaking performances in the next year-and-a-half to kickstart his time in the Indian jersey on a fine note.

Twenty-three matches into his T20I career, Yadav now sits at No.2 in the MRF Tyres ICC T20 Batter Rankings, behind Pakistan skipper Babar Azam, and has a strike rate of 175.45 which is the best for any player to bat as many times as he in T20I history.

However, with India's batting line-up bursting with incredible talent, there's no guaranteeing anyone's place in the XI with the ICC Men's T20 World Cup coming up in two months. Yadav has his backers, though.

Ponting has seen Yadav up close in his early years in Mumbai during the IPL, and feels the Indian middle-order batter should be locked into India's XI at the ICC Men's T20 World Cup later this year.

"He's a very, very exciting player and I'm sure someone that's going to find himself in their team, not just their squad," Ponting said on the latest episode of The ICC Review.

"I think you'd find him in their team for the T20 World Cup. And if he's in that team, then I think all the fans in Australia are going to see a very, very good player.

"He's quite a confident person. He backs himself and he's never going to step down from a challenge or any situation that arises in a game. I feel he thinks he can win that situation and therefore go on and win the game for his team."

Yadav’s self-belief shines through every time he walks out to bat. In Nottingham recently, India looked down and out at 31/3 cashing 216 but the tables turned quickly with Yadav on the attack.

He went on to make his maiden T20I hundred, and India were in the game as long as he was out there.

Ponting believes that "self-belief in his own game and his own skill" sets Yadav apart from other rising stars in the game.

"Surya (Yadav) scores 360 degrees around the ground, a bit like an AB de Villiers did when he was in his actual prime. The lap shots, the late cuts, you know, the ramps over the keeper's head. He can hit down the ground," Ponting said.

"He hits really well over the leg side, flicks to deep backward square particularly well, and he's a good player of fast bowling and is a good player of spin bowling."

Multi-skilled T20 batters are in high demand and his skills make Yadav an enticing option in the XI for India with the tournament in Australia looming large.

Asked whether Yadav would make India's best XI, Ponting was adamant that "he played better than anybody else in the Indian team for the last couple of series" and felt he should be slotted into the top order.

"It's got to be in the top four, I think. I said stick with him (Virat) in his traditional spot, which has been number three," Ponting said.

"For Surya, it's one, two or four. I think he can open, but I think he's probably, you know, if you could probably just keep him away from the new ball, let him control the middle part of the game outside the Powerplay, through in the middle, and if he's in at the end, you know what can happen."

What can happen, from the relatively small sample size so far, is mind-blowing. Yadav's already impressive strike rate shoots up to 258.82 in the death overs in T20Is - in 34 balls he has smashed 88 runs with 15 of those deliveries going for boundaries.

"I think in the top four is, well, actually I'll go out on a limb: I don’t want him to open. I think number four is his best spot," Ponting declared.

Whether it is at No.4 or not will remain a talking point until the event in Australia, but there's very little argument against Yadav having an exciting career as a prominent feature of India’s teams.

ICC
 
Suryakumar Yadav performance watch

Suryakumar Yadav`s style of hitting is incredibly, plain incredibly, unique. Although there's a long way to go for him to be considered a force in international cricket, but credit where it's due, I've very rarely seen someone being a hitter of this quality without relying too much on power but instead on other factors, such as placement etc. Even his century against England in a T20I impressed me a lot. However, it remains to be seen whether he can do it consistently against some of the good bowling attacks. But, the existence of good bowling attacks in this age and era is itself a matter of much debate, I would think.
 
Suryakumar Yadav`s style of hitting is incredibly, plain incredibly, unique. Although there's a long way to go for him to be considered a force in international cricket, but credit where it's due, I've very rarely seen someone being a hitter of this quality without relying too much on power but instead on other factors, such as placement etc. Even his century against England in a T20I impressed me a lot. However, it remains to be seen whether he can do it consistently against some of the good bowling attacks. But, the existence of good bowling attacks in this age and era is itself a matter of much debate, I would think.

Dhoni bhai welcome back. Long time.
 
Suryakumar Yadav performance watch

Dhoni bhai welcome back. Long time.
Haha! Cheers, mate! :)

I always make these brief comebacks for big tournaments, such as the Asia Cup, ICC events, and the PSL and the IPL as well, sometimes.

However, I often don't have too much of great news to share about my health after my long phases of absence, and it's the same this time around, I'm afraid. I was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis last week after a stay of close to two weeks in the hospital and am going through one of the toughest phases of my life. I almost fell unconscious on the evening of the 13th and was taken to the hospital in an ambulance the next day.

Prayers are requested from everyone who reads this.
 
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Haha! Cheers, mate! :)

I always make these brief comebacks for big tournaments, such as the Asia Cup, ICC events, and the PSL and the IPL as well, sometimes.

However, I often don't have too much of great news to share about my health after my long phases of absence, and it's the same this time around, I'm afraid. I was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis last week after a stay of close to two weeks in the hospital and am going through one of the toughest phases of my life. I almost fell unconscious on the evening of the 13th and was taken to the hospital in an ambulance the next day.

Prayers are requested from everyone who reads this.

Get well soon Dhoni Bhai.

You have beaten worse when you fought hiatus hernia.
 
Saw him playing helicopter shots on both off and leg side. Crazy how much Dhoni has had an effect on India's new generation.
 
Haha! Cheers, mate! :)

I always make these brief comebacks for big tournaments, such as the Asia Cup, ICC events, and the PSL and the IPL as well, sometimes.

However, I often don't have too much of great news to share about my health after my long phases of absence, and it's the same this time around, I'm afraid. I was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis last week after a stay of close to two weeks in the hospital and am going through one of the toughest phases of my life. I almost fell unconscious on the evening of the 13th and was taken to the hospital in an ambulance the next day.

Prayers are requested from everyone who reads this.

Prayers for your recovery. You are one my favortie posters (tough I often disagrees with :p)
 
Haha! Cheers, mate! :)

I always make these brief comebacks for big tournaments, such as the Asia Cup, ICC events, and the PSL and the IPL as well, sometimes.

However, I often don't have too much of great news to share about my health after my long phases of absence, and it's the same this time around, I'm afraid. I was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis last week after a stay of close to two weeks in the hospital and am going through one of the toughest phases of my life. I almost fell unconscious on the evening of the 13th and was taken to the hospital in an ambulance the next day.

Prayers are requested from everyone who reads this.

Sorry to hear. Get well soon mate.
 
Haha! Cheers, mate! :)

I always make these brief comebacks for big tournaments, such as the Asia Cup, ICC events, and the PSL and the IPL as well, sometimes.

However, I often don't have too much of great news to share about my health after my long phases of absence, and it's the same this time around, I'm afraid. I was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis last week after a stay of close to two weeks in the hospital and am going through one of the toughest phases of my life. I almost fell unconscious on the evening of the 13th and was taken to the hospital in an ambulance the next day.

Prayers are requested from everyone who reads this.

Get well soon.
Take care bro.
 
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Thank you, everyone, for the wonderful messages. :)
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Get well soon Dhoni Bhai.

You have beaten worse when you fought hiatus hernia.

God! You remember that? That was 12 years ago, man?! Since you remember something as old, I hereby disclose to you on the forum, publicly, what I've actually never done before. I suffer from mitochondrial myopathy since birth, have had four pretty major surgeries on my legs in childhood (at the age of six or so, I think), fractured my arm in the school when I was 14 (with no fault of mine) - a month before the 183 not out innings by MS Dhoni back in 2005 - then came the hiatus hernia in 2010, as you've mentioned already, then I had a lung infarction last year in June, and was then diagnosed with POTS (postural tachycardia syndrome) last October after an unending struggle of close to six years (my post on that won me the 'Post of the Week' award over here, you can search for it), and now comes the ulcerative colitis after struggling with digestive issues since seven years!

So yeah, I too carry some of the josh that your username refers to. :D

Prayers for your recovery. You are one my favortie posters (tough I often disagrees with :p)

Haha! Thank man! But, the difference between us is that, whereas I gradually became a fan of Afridi with time, you never quite liked Dhoni that much. So, whereas I submitted to the capabilities of a Pathan, you never quite admitted to the greatness of the helicopter. :D
 
Why is SKY so overhyped?

For the last couple of years, I've been hearing a lot about how great SKY is. SKY this, SKY that. However, whenever I've seen him play, he's been extremely mediocre.

I get that he has a range of shots but he's never made a decent contribution. I'm not trying to take a dig at him - I'm just failing to understand the hype that fans and the Indian cricket team give him. Maybe he should even stay in the team, I'm just curious of why he's treated like a Jos Buttler or De Villiers when his star are average.

Outside of 1 great hundred vs England, he has been mediocre against top bowling sides, especially outside India.
 
Indian media is a hype machine. Similar to how English media overhypes English football players and they turn out to be average at internationals.

However few of the shots he played against England in that innings like lofting over third man for a six was something very unique.
 
Because he is an indian and every indian player is overhyped.

Fair enough. However, I have not seen any Indian player hyped THIS much. And the hype isn't restricted to Indian media - fans on PP, Cricinfo and commentators have been going gaga about how great he is.

At the presser yday, VK had a lot to say about how great he is as did the skipper.

Maybe he's a good player but the hype is not justified at all. Especially when he's 31 years old and has barely made an impact.

Arguably, Kedar Jadhav was a better player than SKY but was not even half as hyped as SKY. Is it the cool nickname, the tattoos and the "swagger" that's leading to this hype?
 
He's OK I think he is slight suspect to quality international bowling I can imagine him bulldozing IPL attacks as no disrespect but most IPL attacks would be similar to middling teams international attacks like Lanka or Windies or even England. Pakistan, Aus or South Africa attacks might be a bit above his pay grade.
 
He is a pretty decent player with outstanding wrist work and shots across the ground. He was known in Mumbai cricket circle in his younger days but, it wasn't until 2-3 years ago he came in the national radar.

However, yes the hype sometimes of certain players in India can be too much due to media, fans giving into it as well as IPL performances given really high value. He can win or give his side upper hand on his day based upon skills but, very early days to predict if he can consistently perform at international level up to the expectations against the top bowlers.
 
Same feelings. Apart from that one hundred, he has failed to do anything against quality side. First match against Pakistan, he was poor and then he hit the minnow HK bowlers and was overhyped again like he is AB de Villiers and then he failed again yesterday.

He has some good shots but he is still mediocre
 
He is a pretty decent player with outstanding wrist work and shots across the ground. He was known in Mumbai cricket circle in his younger days but, it wasn't until 2-3 years ago he came in the national radar.

However, yes the hype sometimes of certain players in India can be too much due to media, fans giving into it as well as IPL performances given really high value. He can win or give his side upper hand on his day based upon skills but, very early days to predict if he can consistently perform at international level up to the expectations against the top bowlers.

Sure, pretty decent player but has literally done nothing of note in international cricket against a top side or on the big stage yet.

In the WC, Hasan Ali got him out and Hasan was getting smashed by every single team. In the two matches Pakistan have played him in the Asia cup, he has looked extremely average.

I am sure there are better players in India and you could argue whether he deserves long rope or not but he is definitely not worth the hype as of now.
 
Same feelings. Apart from that one hundred, he has failed to do anything against quality side. First match against Pakistan, he was poor and then he hit the minnow HK bowlers and was overhyped again like he is AB de Villiers and then he failed again yesterday.

He has some good shots but he is still mediocre

Exactly!

Khushdil Shah also smashed those same HK bowlers but isn't being hyped by the PCT like SKY is being hyped by the ICT - and rightly so, Khushdil is a below-average cricketer. So far, SKY has been an average cricketer but referred to like he's the second coming of AB De Villiers.
 
I agree that SKY seems pretty overrated based on evidence so far.
 
The guy is overconfident and lacks offiside game. Now lot of people would disagree on his offside game, but u could see he is never comfortable hitting off side or through the line. Got out in both the matches while hitting big shot towards leg side.
 
Stats are good. Average of 38 and strike rate of 176. Any Indian player with that high strike rate?

He also has a hundred vs England coming to bat in middle order so not sure what is the problem here. Is he the first batsman to have failed vs Pakistan? Rohit and Rahul have failed over higher samples than SKY and they are rated higher than SKY, SKY is only rated in T20s. Even Babar has failed continuously vs India except one game where the chase was only 151. Career stats matter!
 
Great player

Just doesn’t seem to be an India/Pakistan derby player. This can happen

Babar isn’t an India/Pakistan derby player either
 
Lol at overhyped.
He averages 40 at 175 str rate.

Yes he hasn't performed against Pakistan yet, but that's not the be all end all.
 
I don’t follow Indian domestic cricket much - what is all the fuss about? Every commentator keeps screaming superlatives, but he seems very ordinary.
 
Stats are good. Average of 38 and strike rate of 176. Any Indian player with that high strike rate?

He also has a hundred vs England coming to bat in middle order so not sure what is the problem here. Is he the first batsman to have failed vs Pakistan? Rohit and Rahul have failed over higher samples than SKY and they are rated higher than SKY, SKY is only rated in T20s. Even Babar has failed continuously vs India except one game where the chase was only 151. Career stats matter!

Oh bhai tu rehne de lol. In Rishabh Pant's thread you said potential matters and here you are saying stats matter. Another u-turn by our local cricket expert. :91: :inti
 
Great player

Just doesn’t seem to be an India/Pakistan derby player. This can happen

Babar isn’t an India/Pakistan derby player either

Great player without performing against top attacks? Wah Rana Sahab.
Did u see his terrible dismissals on SA tour?
 
Great player without performing against top attacks? Wah Rana Sahab.
Did u see his terrible dismissals on SA tour?

Did you see his debut match where he smashed Jofra Archer, Wood, Rashid etc for a 60 off 30 balls. Did you watch his 117 off 55 balls against the same side recently ?
 
Did you see his debut match where he smashed Jofra Archer, Wood, Rashid etc for a 60 off 30 balls. Did you watch his 117 off 55 balls against the same side recently ?

117 against jordans and Wileys and no decent spinner in English side. As I mentioned previously he needs to perform more against top attacks to justify the hype. Too often he is dismissed playing like tailenders
 
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Average player.....needs more exposure and experience for this hype
 
Great player without performing against top attacks? Wah Rana Sahab.
Did u see his terrible dismissals on SA tour?

There is no denying his ability. He has a Robin Van Persie type flare to his style of batting. I’m simply saying that it seems as if he will not be a prolific India/Pakistan derby player.

He can change this but just like Babar, he hasn’t really come to the party for this derby
 
Just check his 2nd four yesterday.. inside-out four to deep cover point.. not many people can play such shots.. his problem is he's trying to attack every ball.. but whole teams intention was that yesterday..
 
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He's a decent player but he's overhyped for sure....he can play a few fancy shots and score at a higher SR than most Indian batsmen but he's yet to do it on the big stage against top teams.

Too early to call him a great and these comparisons with ABD are cringeworthy.

And his game is T20s only, can't play any of the longer formats.
 
Just check his 2nd four yesterday.. inside-out four to deep cover point.. not many people can play such shots.. his problem is he's trying to attack every ball.. but whole teams intention was that yesterday..

Exactly my point bro. He plays a few great shots but I don’t understand the hype as he has rarely come good against a top bowling attack and won India the game. Was a failure last World Cup and has been so far in this Asia cup.
 
Just an IPL and weak bowling bully. Doesn't know how to score against good bowlers and in high pressure games.

Overall, yet another poor and overrated addition to our T20 team, courtesy IPL.
 
SR is still brilliant.

So far, in the Asia cup, he averages 44 and SR is 160.
That's phenomenal. Keep it on SKY.
 
Just an IPL and weak bowling bully. Doesn't know how to score against good bowlers and in high pressure games.

Overall, yet another poor and overrated addition to our T20 team, courtesy IPL.
SL is a middling attack most IPL attacks are better more of a mental issue..
 
Another poor innings. For all the hype, India are still reliant on Rohit and Kohli to do the bulk of the scoring.
 
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