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Its a diabolical level of cricket And the size of the boundaries are laughable

Yes pakistan doesnt have a great t20 keeper batter hence why a few people are getting carried away here

He is talented irrespective of the competition he is up against.
Did you watch his innings against an international bowling attack of Northern in National t20?
He smashed guys like imad, Shadab, Amir, Rauf and tanvir.
Even here, he took Hasaranga apart; the same guy went through our batting line up last tear like knife through butter.
Cricket involves a lot of qualitative judgment which I am afraid, doesn't seem to be your strength.
 
He is talented irrespective of the competition he is up against.
Did you watch his innings against an international bowling attack of Northern in National t20?
He smashed guys like imad, Shadab, Amir, Rauf and tanvir.
Even here, he took Hasaranga apart; the same guy went through our batting line up last tear like knife through butter.
Cricket involves a lot of qualitative judgment which I am afraid, doesn't seem to be your strength.
Cricket also involves being grounded and looking at a players overall game, rather than just a few flashes of talent. You seem to get overexcited easily and hype up players which is a big weakness of yours. And you don't need to act holier than thou like you always do.
 
He is talented irrespective of the competition he is up against.
Did you watch his innings against an international bowling attack of Northern in National t20?
He smashed guys like imad, Shadab, Amir, Rauf and tanvir.
Even here, he took Hasaranga apart; the same guy went through our batting line up last tear like knife through butter.
Cricket involves a lot of qualitative judgment which I am afraid, doesn't seem to be your strength.

If you judge a players quality on a quickfire 15 balls on flat mambas with 50m boundaries n a lot of grade C bowling then my friend your the one who has an issue with qualitative judgement

He needs to play more, longer and some match winning innings preferably outside his papas bubble

Once hes played in the real world, lost more weight and proven his quality over more than a couple of low level tourneys then we can think about putting his name out there playing for pakistan

Till then use your qualitative judgement to calm yourself down a little
 
If you judge a players quality on a quickfire 15 balls on flat mambas with 50m boundaries n a lot of grade C bowling then my friend your the one who has an issue with qualitative judgement

He needs to play more, longer and some match winning innings preferably outside his papas bubble

Once hes played in the real world, lost more weight and proven his quality over more than a couple of low level tourneys then we can think about putting his name out there playing for pakistan

Till then use your qualitative judgement to calm yourself down a little

Read my posts in this thread and tell me if am arguing otherwise.
You dont need to lecture me on qualitative judgement.
I am as objective as they come and contrary to what your lack of comprehension is telling you, I actually dont want to see him in Pakistan colours in the t20 format, no matter how suitable he looks for the format.
I am willing to go in with a specialist keeper to next year's world t20, because i dont want him to taste international cricket unless he has earned it and has developed his game and his mind in 4 day cricket.

The problem I have with you is your constant dissing and rejection of his ability, just because of his natural luck of being born with an infuential father.
That is clouding your judgement and making you sound bitter.
 
Cricket also involves being grounded and looking at a players overall game, rather than just a few flashes of talent. You seem to get overexcited easily and hype up players which is a big weakness of yours. And you don't need to act holier than thou like you always do.

Had you read my earlier posts before engaging in this discourse, you wouldn't have said all of this.
Khair, tum se kia baat ki jaye ab.
 
A talented kid. If our think tank can realize that Rizwan and Sarfraz aren't meant for t20s, then the only two wicketkeeper batters would be Rohail Nazir and Azam. Rohail might get a go as he is well liked and is almost a lock for playing international cricket in future.
Azam needs to lose some more weight and play domestic cricket to improve further. Playing FC cricket can be real useful in building knocks and handling pressure situations.
 
He actually has some potential but you can't be overweight as a keeper. If he wants to be an international keeper he needs to lose weight and be fit. Tbh not just as a keeper , as an international cricketer you need to be in good shape.
 
More talented than Rizwan because he can hit sixes? You think Azam would have played those innings against that unreal Aussie and English pace attack in tests on their own tracks? By your logic Afridi is the most talented batman of all time

Your on about test format majority of the people on here are on about t20s and azam khan is better than rizwan in t20s even if he hasnt playrd much games
 
Azam khan should play the next 2 world t20s if he can improve his fitness i have seen enough to say hes an upgrade on what we got at the moment as a wicket keeper bateman
 
A talented kid. If our think tank can realize that Rizwan and Sarfraz aren't meant for t20s, then the only two wicketkeeper batters would be Rohail Nazir and Azam. Rohail might get a go as he is well liked and is almost a lock for playing international cricket in future.
Azam needs to lose some more weight and play domestic cricket to improve further. Playing FC cricket can be real useful in building knocks and handling pressure situations.

Rohail is overrated, Mohammad Haris is a far better prospect than him.
 
Rohail is overrated, Mohammad Haris is a far better prospect than him.

Am surprised not many people are talking about him hes a very good prospect i think after the innings were he scored run a ball 70 i think people have put off but i think hes really good but he needs to break into kpk first team
 
Some people will always have a problem when a son of a former player breaks through. He will always be a product of nepotism in their eyes.

It is as if you cannot be good enough if your father played for Pakistan.

Imam has received over the top criticism for the same reason even though he has been more than decent for our pathetic standards right from his first game.
 
Golden duck for Azam today - out LBW :danish

This is why people should calm down Hes only just startes and hes going to have good days and bad days

Lets see where hes at this time next yr before judgement starts
 
How is a guy who hasn't even made his international debut overrated? He has done better in the domestics and u19.

Rohail is a good player but proberly more suited to odis and tests but he has given decent performances in national cup and psl.
 
Azam Khan has this habit of not appealing for lbw. I saw in the last match and today. :))
 
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Ive never seen such a blatant case of nepotism in cricket

Is his dad gonna pick him in every team he coaches?

This is why people should calm down Hes only just startes and hes going to have good days and bad days

Lets see where hes at this time next yr before judgement starts

I believe you are the one who has already made their judgement, Zaz. See your comment above. Most of us just see a promising young player.
 
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Azam Khan needs to work really hard on his fitness, I have hardly seen fat wicketkeepers in cricket history. WK needs to to agile
 
Azam Khan needs to work really hard on his fitness, I have hardly seen fat wicketkeepers in cricket history. WK needs to to agile

He needs to lose 6-8 kilos, not more than that.
You have to remember that he is not your customary athlete.
His bone structure is very robust and and so are his muscle bellies.
Just take a look at his legs in the above picture.
He will never look extremely lean because he also has a lot of loose skin from the quick weight loss which can retain a lot of fluid in it, making an individual seem bulkier than what he is.
 
Disgraceful he hasn't lost more weight in the last year or so. Obviously has talent but should not be anywhere near the international team until he loses some weight.
 
This is just my opinion but I think Moin Khan wants his son to avoid FC for now, possibly thinking that at current domestic FC standards it may bog him down or delay his development.

He's probably looking for maximum international exposure via the 20:20 leagues, and then a catapault into Pakistan's team in that version. Sort of an accelerated development plan. Once he's an international, many doors can open. Who knows with T20i success, a lateral tryout in ODIs.

Compare that to the grind of the FC game, the fall in standards, the chance of getting lost if you have a bad season, well, this way could work better, who knows.

Anyway that's my theory.
 
I believe you are the one who has already made their judgement, Zaz. See your comment above. Most of us just see a promising young player.

Have i said anything incorrect? His father is fast tracking him using his positions in the teams he coaches to pick him and give maximum international exposure

You could argue there are better players he could be picking than his son

Most people have suggested he gets picked for pakistan asap Thats more than suggesting hes a promising young player
 
Honestly, why are fat cricketers so good at batting? I’ve seen it with my own eyes at club level, where the only part of their body that moves is the wrist, they’ll flick it for six with ease and it’ll end up into the streets.

We’ve had Sharjeel Khan, Umar Akmal, Inzamam, Imad Wasim, and now Azam Khan.
 
Have i said anything incorrect? His father is fast tracking him using his positions in the teams he coaches to pick him and give maximum international exposure

You could argue there are better players he could be picking than his son

Most people have suggested he gets picked for pakistan asap Thats more than suggesting hes a promising young player

Yes you have because he is a player who could very well play for Pakistan in the not-too-distant future. So he is a talented young cricketer, rather than a ‘parchi’. I.e. someone who uses favours to play high levels of cricket that he doesn’t actually deserve to play. Azam Khan is good enough and deserves to play in all the tournaments he has played. Just because he is Moin’s son does not make him a ‘parchi’. And I have already explained to you that he has played for domestic teams and for other PSL sides where Moin Khan was not coach. So don’t understand why you are still going on about this.
 
Have i said anything incorrect? His father is fast tracking him using his positions in the teams he coaches to pick him and give maximum international exposure

You could argue there are better players he could be picking than his son

Most people have suggested he gets picked for pakistan asap Thats more than suggesting hes a promising young player

Name the better players based upon powerhitting that are better currently
 
Honestly, why are fat cricketers so good at batting? I’ve seen it with my own eyes at club level, where the only part of their body that moves is the wrist, they’ll flick it for six with ease and it’ll end up into the streets.

We’ve had Sharjeel Khan, Umar Akmal, Inzamam, Imad Wasim, and now Azam Khan.

Umar akmal is fat based upon what ?
 
Disgraceful he hasn't lost more weight in the last year or so. Obviously has talent but should not be anywhere near the international team until he loses some weight.

What if he cant loose weight but develops more skill than he currently has do we continually ignore him
 
Umar akmal is fat based upon what ?

If you compare it from 2009 when he made his debut to now, you’ll see that he looks more bloated. He’s meant to be an athlete, not a gourmand. Although, ability wise he’s still our best 5-6 right now.
 
Impressed by his keeping, i think he can get in to T20 team very soon.
 
Honestly, why are fat cricketers so good at batting? I’ve seen it with my own eyes at club level, where the only part of their body that moves is the wrist, they’ll flick it for six with ease and it’ll end up into the streets.

We’ve had Sharjeel Khan, Umar Akmal, Inzamam, Imad Wasim, and now Azam Khan.

They have a strong core and are badtameez.
 
There was apparently a short story done by IPG guys about him & Dale Steyn talking about fishing which was aired before the game today, would be great if anyone can provide the link or video
 
Yes you have because he is a player who could very well play for Pakistan in the not-too-distant future. So he is a talented young cricketer, rather than a ‘parchi’. I.e. someone who uses favours to play high levels of cricket that he doesn’t actually deserve to play. Azam Khan is good enough and deserves to play in all the tournaments he has played. Just because he is Moin’s son does not make him a ‘parchi’. And I have already explained to you that he has played for domestic teams and for other PSL sides where Moin Khan was not coach. So don’t understand why you are still going on about this.

In psl he was selected by his dads team
Ditto sri lankan legaue

If this isnt parchi selections then i dont know what is

Forget his contributions Just for the sake of avoiding a conflict of interest situation moin should never be selecting his son to be in the same team he coaches
 
In psl he was selected by his dads team
Ditto sri lankan legaue

If this isnt parchi selections then i dont know what is

Forget his contributions Just for the sake of avoiding a conflict of interest situation moin should never be selecting his son to be in the same team he coaches

21 of 9 ball today. I believe he is a better bat than his dad and has a higher ceiling. Note that I watched every game of his dad.

He should be the T20 keeper batsman for Pakistan. I think it is only a matter of time. It is hard to keep someone good out for too long.
 
Stupid dismissal. All the team needed to do was conserve wickets, they were already way ahead of the asking rate.

Throws his wicket away for absolutely no reason. Should have stayed and built the innings but wanted to be a hero - hopefully he’ll learn from this.
 
In psl he was selected by his dads team
Ditto sri lankan legaue

If this isnt parchi selections then i dont know what is

Forget his contributions Just for the sake of avoiding a conflict of interest situation moin should never be selecting his son to be in the same team he coaches

the team owner sanctions all staff members and they can hire who ever they want. there is no reason a franchise team selections have to be merit based as long as the owners are happy, they can field family and relatives in all 11 positions, and that would be their prerogative.
 
In psl he was selected by his dads team
Ditto sri lankan legaue

If this isnt parchi selections then i dont know what is

Forget his contributions Just for the sake of avoiding a conflict of interest situation moin should never be selecting his son to be in the same team he coaches

Why shal we forget his contribution if he wasnt contributing then fair enough call him whatever but he is contributing
 
Galle’s current situation is exactly why Azam shouldn’t have thrown his wicket away. He’s immensely gifted, but he needs to learn about building an innings when the chips are down.
 
Galle’s current situation is exactly why Azam shouldn’t have thrown his wicket away. He’s immensely gifted, but he needs to learn about building an innings when the chips are down.
Do you understand now why i want him to experience the grind of first clsss for a year or two?
 
Do you understand now why i want him to experience the grind of first clsss for a year or two?

I do, and I want the same, but he is still unlikely to get that experience. There’s a lot of good wicket keepers coming through for Sindh from U19 cricket including one Ghazi Ghouri. If Azam wants to develop his game, he’s going to have to prove he has the mettle for first class quickly, otherwise I don’t believe anyone will fast-track him in first class cricket on the hope that he becomes a decent T20 keeper-batsman. The return on investment is too small.

If he does achieve full potential, he can no doubt become a good ODI batsman. However, he’s failed in his minimal second XI outings so far. Let’s see how he does in List A cricket.
 
the team owner sanctions all staff members and they can hire who ever they want. there is no reason a franchise team selections have to be merit based as long as the owners are happy, they can field family and relatives in all 11 positions, and that would be their prerogative.

That is fine as its my prerogative to say he doesnt merit a place in the pakistan team based on the same, that he isnt deservedly being picked in these franchises on merit and hence this should not be a basis for national selection
 
21 of 9 ball today. I believe he is a better bat than his dad and has a higher ceiling. Note that I watched every game of his dad.

He should be the T20 keeper batsman for Pakistan. I think it is only a matter of time. It is hard to keep someone good out for too long.

I disagree 21 off 9 balls isnt good enough He has no patience or awareness how to construct an innings or bat for longer

He needs to churn out longer innings in a better standard of cricket before he is even considered for national selection

And no he isnt better than his dad i watched all his dads cricket too

His dad was better than 10- 20 balls an innings
 
That is fine as its my prerogative to say he doesnt merit a place in the pakistan team based on the same, that he isnt deservedly being picked in these franchises on merit and hence this should not be a basis for national selection

fair enough
 
In psl he was selected by his dads team
Ditto sri lankan legaue

If this isnt parchi selections then i dont know what is

Forget his contributions Just for the sake of avoiding a conflict of interest situation moin should never be selecting his son to be in the same team he coaches

I just defined parchi selections for you: it is when a player gets selected for a team where he doesn’t merit a spot on his talent. Thus Azam Khan is not a parchi since he is a good young player and merits selection. The point is that don’t just discount a player because their parents are involved in cricket.

His dad is probably his mentor and coach and prefers to look after his development directly. Nothing wrong with that. For the third time, he has been selected in domestic and PSL teams where his dad was not the coach

Bottom line is he is a talented hard hitting wicket keeper and deserves the spots he is getting. So stop calling him a parchi for no reason. It shows your lack of cricket knowledge.
 
The Steyn and Azam conversation about fish

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I just wonder if this lad would be getting these opportunities if he wasn't Moin Khan's son and his dad wasn't the head coach.
 
I just wonder if this lad would be getting these opportunities if he wasn't Moin Khan's son and his dad wasn't the head coach.

Definitely wouldn’t be getting opportunities, but more based on how the system is designed rather than his lack of talent. He’s very good and I believe he deserves the opportunities, but if he wasn’t Moin Khan’s son, he would:
— be considered too big/fat
— be branded a tulla baaz with no defensive technique
— not be given the opportunity to play as keeper given his size, diminishing his utility to any team
— be asked to play years of second tier or club cricket, and end up being wasted
— not have access to top class facilities and trainers which allows him to reduce his weight
— not have a savvy dad to teach him about cricket

That’s because the system (and many systems around the world at that, but especially the Pakistani system) just isn’t conducive to complete outsiders. Even the cricketers we don’t acknowledge as products of nepotism have benefited from going to better known clubs — their coaches and agents are on the phone with PSL and domestic teams all the time buying lunch and dinner for the head coaches.

Ali Tareen said this was happening in the Multan Sultans dressing room even this year, and he had to call some of his coaches/analysts out on being taken out to dinner by x players’ agent.

So obviously, Azam benefited. But a lot more people benefit too that we don’t talk about or don’t know about. Even if you’re not the benefit of nepotism, you might be benefiting from a false age on your birth certificate - I would argue that compared to that, Azam has done the lesser crime of being born to a cricketer father.

I still have some gripes with him, but he is a good striker of the ball and has some natural talent that he has yet to access.
 
Note I’m also not saying that two wrongs make a right - they don’t. But sometimes out of this system, you even have folks like Umar Akmal who had a lot of natural talent, despite his brother’s prominence helping him get identified.

A lot of people don’t know this but Miandad helped fast track Wasim Akram. Similarly Inzamam was referred to Imran Khan by Mushtaq Ahmed and Waqar Younis.

I’m not saying Azam is on that level, but you do need to meet the right people and get their backing to do well in this system. It’s one of the things I dislike the most about it.
 
Doesn't know how to construct an inning. He's good at playing 20s and 30s and then he will throw it away.
You can't learn building big knocks unless you play FC and LA matches and be good in them.
At the moment, he is just swinging around whether he's coming in the powerplay, death or the middle of the innings. He's had some success while batting during the powerplay and at the death, but every time I have seen him come after 6th over, he usually fails.

He seems like a smart kid. Needs to maximize his talent and ability and evolve.
 
Note I’m also not saying that two wrongs make a right - they don’t. But sometimes out of this system, you even have folks like Umar Akmal who had a lot of natural talent, despite his brother’s prominence helping him get identified.

A lot of people don’t know this but Miandad helped fast track Wasim Akram. Similarly Inzamam was referred to Imran Khan by Mushtaq Ahmed and Waqar Younis.

I’m not saying Azam is on that level, but you do need to meet the right people and get their backing to do well in this system. It’s one of the things I dislike the most about it.

Ridiculous to mention Inzamam and Wasim Akram with Azam Khan.

Inzamam was already playing and performing well for UBL in domestic cricket. In fact Inzi was already being spoken of as an international cricketer.

Wasim Akram also played and learnt a lot from First-class cricket before he was seen as a regular in international cricket.
 
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I just wonder if this lad would be getting these opportunities if he wasn't Moin Khan's son and his dad wasn't the head coach.

Definitely not. In the whole word especially Pakistan, you need to have certain amount of contacts to get far.
Even Afridi was picked up after his elder brother made friends with Haroon Rashid back in mid 90s.
 
Ridiculous to mention Inzamam and Wasim Akram with Azam Khan.

Inzamam was already playing and performing well for UBL in domestic cricket. In fact Inzi was already being spoken of as an international cricketer.

Wasim Akram also played and learnt a lot from First-class cricket before he was seen as a regular in international cricket.

I meant it the other way, that sometimes connections help. Obviously big difference in the level of connections and big big difference in the quality.
 
I meant it the other way, that sometimes connections help. Obviously big difference in the level of connections and big big difference in the quality.

So why do you think muhammed hurraira hasnt been given a go in second xi xI becouse am sure shaoib malik is related to him ?
 
I just wonder if this lad would be getting these opportunities if he wasn't Moin Khan's son and his dad wasn't the head coach.

He would have been laughed away but to his credit he has shown enough to stand on his own 2 feet. It also highlights how weak our WK bats are in the shorter formats, for him to be mentioned.
 
Ridiculous to mention Inzamam and Wasim Akram with Azam Khan.

Inzamam was already playing and performing well for UBL in domestic cricket. In fact Inzi was already being spoken of as an international cricketer.

Wasim Akram also played and learnt a lot from First-class cricket before he was seen as a regular in international cricket.

Haven’t looked at the wider contet of your discussion here but I believe Wasim Akram played one first class game before he played test cricket, and that was a tour game against the new zealdners!
 
Some clean hitting by Azam Khan (in the nets!)

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i don't think any of our current batsmen can hit that hard and long like that. Its in their interest to keep Azam out.
 
Some clean hitting by Azam Khan (in the nets!)

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Azam Khan using Moonwalkr thigh pads!
 
Looks like this thread has been constantly in the top 20-30 threads on PP. Some excitement beginning to build about this guy.
 
36 off 17 in a final under pressure.

2 sixes off Olivier and one off Shinwari. Very decent six hitter. He needs to be in contention for the T20i side
 
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