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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ben Stokes is starting the season in form 🔥<br><br>He follows up his destructive 161 with an impressive 82<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LVCountyChamp?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LVCountyChamp</a> <a href="https://t.co/4HlGk963o0">pic.twitter.com/4HlGk963o0</a></p>— LV= Insurance County Championship (@CountyChamp) <a href="https://twitter.com/CountyChamp/status/1524828142501867521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 12, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ben Stokes is starting the season in form 🔥<br><br>He follows up his destructive 161 with an impressive 82<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LVCountyChamp?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LVCountyChamp</a> <a href="https://t.co/4HlGk963o0">pic.twitter.com/4HlGk963o0</a></p>— LV= Insurance County Championship (@CountyChamp) <a href="https://twitter.com/CountyChamp/status/1524828142501867521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 12, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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He looks to be in a terrefic touch. Hope he has a great summer.
 
Happy Birthday to Ben Stokes

Born: June 4, 1991 (age 31 years), Christchurch, New Zealand
 
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Tomorrow we will know the outcome of the first Test in Ben’s captaincy era.

Win or lose, he’s given a pretty good accounting of himself for my money.
 
James said:
Tomorrow we will know the outcome of the first Test in Ben’s captaincy era.

Win or lose, he’s given a pretty good accounting of himself for my money.
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Saved by his predecessor.

Joe will be feeling hard done by.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Saved by his predecessor.

Joe will be feeling hard done by.
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No,

We haven’t been all over a batting side in the field like this for a very long time. Took twenty wickets for not too many.

Under Joe’s meandering leadership we only took twenty wickets in a Test 2-3 times over the previous 12 months, his out-cricket as a captain was famously poor.
 
Ben Stokes starts off his captaincy era with a really good win!
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Saved by his predecessor.

Joe will be feeling hard done by.
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I don't think so. Nobody could survive that run of failures.

And he has got his smile back, after that dreadful thousand-yard stare he wore in Guyana.

He's going to give Stokes everything he has.
 
Robert said:
I don't think so. Nobody could survive that run of failures.

And he has got his smile back, after that dreadful thousand-yard stare he wore in Guyana.

He's going to give Stokes everything he has.
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When England were sliding to defeat in the 3rd Test in West Indies and Ben Foakes got run out, there was a horrible moment on the balcony when Root was just sat with his head in his hands. I knew right then that he was done.
 
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When England were sliding to defeat in the 3rd Test in West Indies and Ben Foakes got run out, there was a horrible moment on the balcony when Root was just sat with his head in his hands. I knew right then that he was done.
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They all get it. Athers, Nasser, Strauss, Cook. I thought in the era of better mental health understanding that Joe might escape it, but every England skipper seems to succumb in the end.

It's so great to see him smile again. He has another four years at least, and forty centuries and 15K test runs are not beyond him.
 
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Who is England’s vice-captain then?

Nobody seems to know.
 
Captain Ben Stokes says he is looking to bring the "fun" back into playing for England.

Last week's five-wicket triumph over New Zealand ended a run of only one win in 17 Tests and England can seal the series with victory in the second Test.

Spinner Jack Leach has been passed fit to play for the home side at Trent Bridge on Friday.

"If we can't enjoy doing this, I don't really know what we can enjoy," Stokes told BBC Sport.

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"Results and stuff will look after themselves. Let's just try to enjoy this as much as we possibly can. It will all be taken away from us one day."

Despite its reputation for bowler-friendly conditions and a partisan crowd, England have not won any of their past three Tests at Trent Bridge. Their last success in Nottingham came in 2015, when Stuart Broad famously routed Australia with figures of 8-15.

Stokes, who is new to the role alongside head coach Brendon McCullum, added: "One of the great things I've found over the last couple of weeks is how much fun it's been.

"Sometimes the pressure of being an international cricketer, delivering performances on a weekly basis, can get challenging.
"At the end of the day, when you're playing for your country, first and foremost is to make sure you have as much fun as you possibly can."

Stokes highlighted the impact of McCullum, citing the "energy" of the New Zealander.

On the field, England's fielding was vastly improved during the first Test at Lord's. Off it, they began Thursday's training session in Nottingham with a penalty shootout.

"That energy Baz has brought has been a lift for everyone," added Stokes. "It's been great having his enthusiasm around the group.
"Baz's input into this team has rubbed off very quickly and easily."

In only the sixth over of the match, Leach took a heavy tumble when trying to make a stop on the boundary and had to be withdrawn from the Test with concussion. His place was taken by leg-spinner Matt Parkinson.

The Somerset left-armer has served a minimum seven-day period of gradually returning to play and retains his place in an unchanged England side.
Despite a green-tinged surface at Trent Bridge, Stokes confirmed England had not thought about leaving out the frontline spinner in favour of Craig Overton's seam.

"It was very unfortunate for Jack last week," said Stokes. "He was so excited to get the summer going.

"We all know that one of Baz's things is for fielders to chase the ball right to the boundary. He made a very good point, and made Leachy stand out, that one little thing epitomises what this team is all about.

"He was obviously bitterly disappointed, but then throughout the week saw the commitment that everyone was giving in the field."

New Zealand will make a least one change to their side after all-rounder Colin de Grandhomme suffered a heel injury at Lord's. Batter Henry Nicholls missed the first Test but is the most likely replacement if he is passed fit.

Left-arm spinner Ajaz Patel only bowled two overs in the first Test and could be replaced by pace bowler Neil Wagner.

England: Zak Crawley (Kent), Alex Lees (Durham), Ollie Pope (Surrey), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Jonny Bairstow (Yorkshire), Ben Stokes (Durham), Ben Foakes (Surrey), Matthew Potts (Durham), Jack Leach (Somerset), Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire), James Anderson (Lancashire).

New Zealand squad: Kane Williamson, Tom Blundell, Trent Boult, Michael Bracewell, Devon Conway, Cameron Fletcher, Matt Henry, Kyle Jamieson, Tom Latham, Daryl Mitchell, Henry Nicholls, Ajaz Patel, Tim Southee, Neil Wagner, Will Young.
 
Ben Stokes 75* (70) - takes his side to another win!

What a start to his captaincy!
 
Lees: Stokes got us back in the game

Lees offers high praise for England captain Ben Stokes, who took some crucial wickets at the end of India's innings on his way to figures of 4-33.

Asked if Stokes should bowl himself more, Lees says: "The thing with him is, we know he’s got that knee that he’s got to manage. To be honest with you, I think he likes testing the other three seamers, everyone else.

"With bat and ball he’s obviously a match-winner, and he came on and got us right back in the game."
 
The captaincy, leadership, field setting decisions and his own bowling on Day 4 of the Edgbaston from Ben Stokes were all pure class.

That’s how a world class skipper and an all rounder can turn a Test match completely on its head and transform a losing position into a win.
 
Ben Stokes says his early success as England Test captain has been aided by the "ethos and mentality" that former limited-overs captain Eoin Morgan brought to his side.

After leading England to a 3-0 series win over New Zealand last month in his first series after replacing Joe Root as Test skipper, Stokes oversaw the completion of a thrilling win over India on Tuesday that saw the series, which began last summer, finish 2-2.

Stokes' appointment, which came along with Brendan McCullum's hiring as Test head coach, was made with England having won just one of their last 17 games.

Morgan, who stepped down from his position as both ODI and T20 captain last month, was appointed in similar circumstances in 2014, before going on to lead England to 50-over World Cup glory in 2019, having also guided the T20 team to the 2016 World Cup final.

Asked if there are echoes in his approach of England's limited-overs transformation under Morgan, Stokes told Sky Sports: "Definitely. Baz (McCullum) and Eoin are really, really good mates.

"I spent a lot of time under Eoin's captaincy and I've taken a lot of what his messaging and how he wanted the team in one-day cricket to go forward and I've brought his mentality and his ethos around cricket into this Test environment and everybody's responded so well to it.

"It's not just me and Baz, you've got to get that response from everybody else and everybody's just flown into it head on, and it's been a great five weeks."

England's more aggressive approach under Stokes and McCullum has resulted in a remarkable series of victories, which has seen them chase down fourth innings targets of 277, 299, 296 and 378.

Stokes believes that England's new style is striking fear into opponents, and this was evident as India stuttered after securing a 132-run first-innings lead.

"I said yesterday after we finished the day's play, you look at how teams will be viewing us at the moment," Stokes said.

"That third innings now has become a fourth innings because they're going to have to concentrate on how we're going to play, and they're worried about that.

"So to be in a position like that as a team, of being feared before they've even finished their innings, is an unbelievable place to be in. Teams don't know how to play the third innings, especially when they've got a lead."

SKY
 
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Cringed with embarrassment and laughter to read a fair few of the “England fan” comments on social media tonight, calling for Stokes to be sacked as captain and half the team replaced. A couple of bad sessions on from winning four Test matches in a row. Pathetic so called fans.
 
Leading from the front.

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<b>England captain Ben Stokes speaking to BBC Test Match Special ahead of the 3rd Test against South Africa:</b>

"It’s obviously been a sad couple of days [following the Queen’s death], not only for us but the whole nation and the world as well. It’s great to be stood here knowing that we’re going to be playing this game, not just for us but in memory of the Queen so it’s a very special occasion for us.

"We were still waiting for confirmation of what was going to happen this week so the lads were just sitting around waiting for that yesterday. Once we heard the news it was good to hear from our point of view. There wasn’t much going on for us yesterday to be honest.

"If we were to do the toss again then we wouldn’t change what we’d do. In a shortened game bowling first gives us more of an opportunity to win the game, but the thing we’re going to do this week is to set the game up to be a result either way.

"That’s what people want to see and that’s the way we’ve been playing our cricket all summer. We don’t play to try and draw the game, we try to win it. Anything we can do to create a result in this game is what we’ll try to do."
 
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<b>Whether he is good, bad or indifferent, you simply cannot ignore Ben Stokes.</b>

So often England's talisman, it is a well-worn cliche that Stokes 'makes things happen'. But it also rings true.

On Wednesday, despite struggling for batting form on his return to the England Twenty20 team, he once again showed he can change the course of a match - whether through sheer force of will or moments of cricketing genius.

Back in the T20 side for the first time since March 2021, the 31-year-old's two innings so far have been scratchy and short-lived, scoring just nine and seven.

His innings in the first match stymied England's momentum, which seems remarkable to say when you compare his momentum-seizing approach to Test cricket this summer.

And after he was bowled attempting to heave leg-spinner Adam Zampa out of the ground in the second match on Wednesday, the Test Match Special commentary team began to consider what many thought unthinkable: does Stokes deserve his place in the T20 team?

"That's hardly the sort of innings that will fill the selectors with confidence," said Henry Morean.

"Stokes may be England's Test captain but in T20 cricket there is no certainty he will be in the England side for the start of the World Cup."

Daniel Norcross added: "Ben Stokes is not really a quick starter in T20s. There's a perception of what Ben Stokes is that doesn't really match with reality.

"People also talk about his bowling but his bowling in T20s has been quite expensive in the past, so I'd be more inclined to look at Liam Livingstone when he is fit."

Stokes' T20 international bowling average of 37.25 feeds into that argument and places a lot of focus on his batting.

It may then surprise some to learn that Stokes has never hit a T20 half-century for England and averages just 19 in 36 matches.

Waiting in the wings, Livingstone is a destructive batter in his own right who has a T20 international hundred to his name.

He is likely to be fit for England's final warm-up match against Pakistan on Monday.

Also out of the team and waiting for his chance is Phil Salt, who caught the eye with his aggressive batting in the T20 series victory over Pakistan last month.

Yet even when he is below his best in one area of the game, Stokes is often involved in key moments in the others.

In Canberra on Wednesday, he opened the bowling for the first time in a T20 international, conceding just four, before a supreme piece of fielding left the crowd aghast.

When Mitchell Marsh clubbed Sam Curran over long-off, it looked to be a six all the way.

Enter Stokes, who somehow dived full stretch to pluck the white ball out of the dark night sky. Realising he was tumbling over the rope, he clawed the ball back over the boundary rope.

Six runs, suddenly, became two.

And England would eventually win by eight runs.

At the end of the match, when asked what was the difference between the sides, Australia captain Aaron Finch said: "Fielding. We were really poor - sloppy, dropped chances."

Not England. Not Stokes.

Three balls after the boundary heroics, Curran removed Marcus Stoinis and three overs after that Stokes - via a catch from Curran - dismissed the dangerous Marsh just as the Australia number three looked to be cutting loose.

It was enough to tip a tight match in England's favour.

Australia know more than most - you can never keep Stokes quiet for long.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/63231940
 
Hopefully the site of those yellow shirts will fire him up.
 
So, this is the Ben Stokes who decided to retire from ODIs to concentrate on Tests and T20s, well thus far, he’s been a flop in T20s.
 
Stokes is finished. He has dodgy knees and he looks tired. At 31, he only has 2-3 years left as an international cricketer.

He needs to stop being selfish and stopping putting himself above England for once and retire from T20Is. The only reason he is playing this format for England is to keep himself relevant for IPL.

He needs to spend the last few years of his career fully focusing on Test cricket.
 
Started slow - but now taking England to another World Cup win!
 
He'll go down as an ATG. Not because he won a T20 world cup, but just as a guy who stepped up when the pressure was on. Big game player. You can't put a price on those.
 
How does Ben Stokes do it?

How does he do it? He comes up on the big occasion and bats his heart out
 
Mamoon said:
Stokes is finished. He has dodgy knees and he looks tired. At 31, he only has 2-3 years left as an international cricketer.

He needs to stop being selfish and stopping putting himself above England for once and retire from T20Is. The only reason he is playing this format for England is to keep himself relevant for IPL.

He needs to spend the last few years of his career fully focusing on Test cricket.
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Your two trademark phrases are appropriate here.

Please learn to respect Ben Stokes is the most clutch English cricketer in modern era.
 
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Mamoon said:
Stokes is finished. He has dodgy knees and he looks tired. At 31, he only has 2-3 years left as an international cricketer.

He needs to stop being selfish and stopping putting himself above England for once and retire from T20Is. The only reason he is playing this format for England is to keep himself relevant for IPL.

He needs to spend the last few years of his career fully focusing on Test cricket.
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Amazing prediction. Stunning innings from Stokes again.

Remember when you said it was a terrible decision to remove loser Root from the Test captaincy, and he proved you wrong in belligerent style.

He won England the 19 World Cup. And now the 22 World Cup.

You gave all the credit of the victory to Archer but it was all Stokes and he’s done it again. Greatest cricketer of this era along with Kohli and Smith.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] with egg on his face yet again.

What a cricketer Ben Stokes is.
 
James said:
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] with egg on his face yet again.

What a cricketer Ben Stokes is.
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My my my, what stunning predictions by him. First india ‘best bowling attack in the world’ and then this.

His defence will be that tournament wins don’t matter.
 
Mamoon said:
Stokes is finished. He has dodgy knees and he looks tired. At 31, he only has 2-3 years left as an international cricketer.

He needs to stop being selfish and stopping putting himself above England for once and retire from T20Is. The only reason he is playing this format for England is to keep himself relevant for IPL.

He needs to spend the last few years of his career fully focusing on Test cricket.
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Jeezzzz what a lame point
 
What a man. Wish I can also have redemption like this in my life.

Should retire from t20i and give his all for test cricket now. ECB need to protect this diamond for at least few more years for us cricket fans.
 
Mamoon said:
Stokes is finished. He has dodgy knees and he looks tired. At 31, he only has 2-3 years left as an international cricketer.

He needs to stop being selfish and stopping putting himself above England for once and retire from T20Is. The only reason he is playing this format for England is to keep himself relevant for IPL.

He needs to spend the last few years of his career fully focusing on Test cricket.
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Yep he is finished, now it's the Era of Pant, Rahul, Pandya, Thakur and Axar Patel.

The only two times England were under pressure to win a game, he won it for them.
Vs Sri Lanka it was a quarter final
And now the big final Vs Pakistan.

No other player could have won those matches.
 
He got the job done but was very lucky. Naseem must have missed his edge atleast 6 times
 
Stokes is the best all-rounder of all time for England. That's right.

Two world titles.
 
Markhor said:
Your two trademark phrases are appropriate here.

Please learn to respect Ben Stokes is the most clutch English cricketer in modern era.
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To be fair, if you hate England with a passion, it must really hurt to see them in a final against Pakistan.
 
Super man. He played like T20 batsman in Tests and won a test. He played like Test batsman in T20 and won a T20 world T20. Unbelievably clutch player. He has more than made up for that Brathwhite moment.
 
introvert said:
What a man. Wish I can also have redemption like this in my life.

Should retire from t20i and give his all for test cricket now. ECB need to protect this diamond for at least few more years for us cricket fans.
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It’s incredible. A person who has achieved the absolute lowest point in his cricketing life (4 sixes in final over of a World Cup final) and his personal life (court cases and threats of jail time after the drunken brawl) and clearly difficult family life - to stand up this many times and take England to 2 World Cup trophies plus their best ever Ashes win. Just indescribable.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] still waiting for your comeback in this thread.
 
Forum363 said:
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] still waiting for your comeback in this thread.
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Don't expect anything. He called Ben Stokes, who took time off after losing his dad to brain cancer, mentally weak and that he was doing drama.

Mentally weak guy has won two World Cup finals, and helped turn around the Test team.
 
Stokes is now surely number 2 in terms of English all rounders and might be giving Beefy a run for his money before long.
 
By the time he retires, he'll end his career as England's best ever white ball cricketer.
 
James said:
Stokes is now surely number 2 in terms of English all rounders and might be giving Beefy a run for his money before long.
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Beefy's pomp was before my time, I only ever saw him being overshadowed by Imran, Hadlee and Kapil. Stokes is something else. The best current day all rounder surely. This guy wins the big games, he desreves all the accolades.
 
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What an occasion to get your first international T20 fifty.

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Shows you the difference between champion players and decent players. Yadav, Rizwan etc got runs for fun all year long but Stokes scored one 50 and one 30+ score - when it really mattered to win England a World Cup.
 
Forum363 said:
Shows you the difference between champion players and decent players. Yadav, Rizwan etc got runs for fun all year long but Stokes scored one 50 and one 30+ score - when it really mattered to win England a World Cup.
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Let us not go too far with comparison. He played well. He didn't have to do anything special. He just had to protect his wicket. I appreciate his calm head. But two of his clutch knocks came at home. Not overseas.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Let us not go too far with comparison. He played well. He didn't have to do anything special. He just had to protect his wicket. I appreciate his calm head. But two of his clutch knocks came at home. Not overseas.
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Anything special? World cups are won on the basis of these performances.

Without him, England would have lost today, simple as that.
 
Stokes has definitely moved past Beefy now. Botham had just that ONE series.
 
Forum363 said:
It’s incredible. A person who has achieved the absolute lowest point in his cricketing life (4 sixes in final over of a World Cup final) and his personal life (court cases and threats of jail time after the drunken brawl) and clearly difficult family life - to stand up this many times and take England to 2 World Cup trophies plus their best ever Ashes win. Just indescribable.
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Best ever Ashes win? I can think of a few that were as good. Headingley ‘81, Edgbaston ‘81, Melbourne ‘82 and the three thrillers of ‘05.
 
James said:
Stokes is now surely number 2 in terms of English all rounders and might be giving Beefy a run for his money before long.
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I am not seeing the 27 test fivefers.

I’d put Stokes at three behind Greig, who was a more destructive bowler in two styles. The West Indians rate Greig even above Botham.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Beefy's pomp was before my time, I only ever saw him being overshadowed by Imran, Hadlee and Kapil..
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Imran and Hadlee overshadowed him with the ball, but he was the best of the four with the bat.

He took more test catches than the three of them put together.
 
Postwar England all-rounders:

1 Botham
2 Greig
3 Stokes
4 Flintoff
5 Bailey
 
That Stokes innings in the final was bang average.

He wasted too many balls - took the equation from 6 an over to 9's an over.

Basically opened the door for Pakistan.

England would likely have won but they were quite uncomfortable thanks to Stokes.
 
He is light years ahead of Botham and one of the all time great all rounders
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
That Stokes innings in the final was bang average.

He wasted too many balls - took the equation from 6 an over to 9's an over.

Basically opened the door for Pakistan.

England would likely have won but they were quite uncomfortable thanks to Stokes.
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He got lucky multiple times the ball missed the bat only when Iftikhar came in that he look comfortable.
 
He should reverse his retirement for odis and then England will get to the Final.
 
Hmm...

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/nov/14/moeen-ali-matthew-mott-england-odi-cricket-ben-stokes

Ben Stokes is set to put his name forward for next year’s Indian Premier League amid a hope from England that he reverses his retirement from ODI cricket and defends the 50-over World Cup.

The 31-year-old all-rounder trimmed his focus to Test captaincy and Twenty20 cricket during the summer citing an unsustainable schedule but, after he powered England to double-world champion status with victory over Pakistan in Sunday’s final, the head coach, Matthew Mott, has not given up on a rethink.

“He’s a three-dimensional player and he has so much to offer,” Mott said. “In this team he was the glue – I think we have a lot of guys who can do extraordinary things but he was the player you knew that if he was in you’d win the game.

“When he spoke to me about his ODI retirement one of the first things I said was that I’d back any decision he made, but I said to him he didn’t necessarily have to retire, he could just not play 50-overs for a while. And I said: ‘You could always unretire.’
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shamaan said:
He should reverse his retirement for odis and then England will get to the Final.
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According to the Telegraph and the BBC, the reversal of his ODI retirement could genuinely be on the cards.
 
James said:
According to the Telegraph and the BBC, the reversal of his ODI retirement could genuinely be on the cards.
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Then that's good news for England they definitely will be thinking Semi Final if he's in the squad.
 
If Stokes wasn’t selfish enough to sit out of the World Cup last year, England could have had back to back titles. The balance of their squad was impacted by his absence.

I read today that the England white ball coach will try to convince him to take back his ODI retirement since we have an ODI World Cup in 12 months and England is not playing excessive amount of cricket so workload will not be an issue.

But we all know that this workload stuff was just an excuse. He retired from ODIs but not from T20Is because he needed to keep himself relevant for IPL.
 
Mamoon said:
If Stokes wasn’t selfish enough to sit out of the World Cup last year, England could have had back to back titles. The balance of their squad was impacted by his absence.

I read today that the England white ball coach will try to convince him to take back his ODI retirement since we have an ODI World Cup in 12 months and England is not playing excessive amount of cricket so workload will not be an issue.

But we all know that this workload stuff was just an excuse. He retired from ODIs but not from T20Is because he needed to keep himself relevant for IPL.
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Please tell us more about his dodgy knees and how he’s finished.
 
Luckiest player alive. For sure. Like, with this kind of luck, you could win 50 different lotteries.

Ball hits his bat or whatever as he gets 4 overthrown runs in the 2019 WC final, making his job 100x easier, and even then could barely tie the game.

And then in this 2022 t20 final, balls beats his bat 10-20 times by Naseem and co. We’re talking millimeters of distance between bat and ball for multiple deliveries over and over again. Then 2-3 run out chances missed too.

Incredibly lucky guy. All of this luck topped off with Moeen’s top edge boundary as well + Shaheen injured with 2 overs to spare still.

Sheesh. Yeah I’m still livid after that loss, whatever.
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
That Stokes innings in the final was bang average.

He wasted too many balls - took the equation from 6 an over to 9's an over.

Basically opened the door for Pakistan.

England would likely have won but they were quite uncomfortable thanks to Stokes.
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I think Stokes did just right. England had a wobble but he steadied the ship. He took the game deep and England still won with an over to spare.
 
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