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[VIDEOS] Concerns about Shadab Khan's bowling

Sher Khan

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He seems to have completely lost the zip in his bowling. Batsmen are toying with him these days.

Have a feeling he has been found out. They are picking his variations with ease.
 
Couple of things, really:

1- Bowling too fast. If you were to notice, almost all of his deliveries are in the high 80s or the 90s. As a spinner, you want to bowl in low 80s or late 70s like the 11.4 ball, he bowled which beat batsman bowled around 78

2- Bowling too short. This gives batsman time to play it, or get under neath. and then he compensate by bowling too full, which is almost like full toss. And as a batsman, best way to play spin is to get to the pitch of the ball. Shadab makes it easy for batsman when he bowls like a full toss, or over pitch it.

This happened after 3rd odi. After rain, shadab couldnt grip it, and then bowled fast, so that batsman dont get under neath. After that, no sarfraz to guide him around.
 
Superstar syndrome not helped by his PSL franchise hyping him up like there is no tomorrow.

The problem with Pakistani cricketers is that they have a few good matches and they think that they are the next big thing.
 
Needs to be dropped so he can work on his skills and form otherwise he'll continue to deteriorate getting thrashed about in international cricket.
 
Shadab Khan last 3 matches:

3-0-25-0
3-0-38-0
10-0-78-0
 
Shadab is a specialist fielder at this point. He is not good enough to be a lead spinner while his batting contributions in white ball cricket are nonexistent.
 
Bowling too full. I don’t worry too much about him though.
 
Always been overrated. Another nobody hyped to the skies. Time to move on from him.
 
Seems like some posters feelings get hurt when you criticise a player.

If they deserve criticism then they should get it.

Apologies if it hurts your feelings.
 
This will happen if we make young bowlers play million matches in a short period same has happened with Hassan

The key is to have a bigger bench and rotate bowlers so they are not exhausted
 
Yeps, bowled good in odi and test, when it mattered.
I don't know why people are loosing sleep over bilateral t 20

Our fans are impatient and they think our players need to be supermen so they cannot have few bad matches. If we read this forum then we need to get rid of Malik, Amir, Hasan Ali, Talat H, Sarfraz (so-called specialist captain), Shadab ( the new specialist fielder), Fakhar(specialist Hack, Faheem (fake all rounder) arc etch. So in a nutshell anyone who is Pakistani we should get rid of them and hire from other countries.
 
He bowled very nicely in the first 2 ODIs, especially the second one. He was bowling slow, landing it in the right area, getting it to turn big. It's probably just a bit of a rhythm issue, he'll be fine in the long run.
 
I think he bowled well in patches. Inconsistency is there, but at his age that's really expected, specially since he's a leg-spinner.

Struggled in the 3rd ODI with the wet ball. Poor in the last ODI (though Shamsi also went for 75 in that game) and then the T20Is.

The only issue in my view is that we haven't invested in any front-line spinner. Rather than being worried about Shadab, I am irked at the selection. http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?269358
 
Stop playing him way up the order , do not make him feel that batting is his job. Make him work on his bowling.
 
He is not a finished product. Picked up from psl when he is still raw and in learning phase.

put him under the guidance of Mushy. oo wait we already lost Mushy to WI...Unless you groom players you 'll always see these issues coming up every now and then.
 
Superstar syndrome not helped by his PSL franchise hyping him up like there is no tomorrow.

The problem with Pakistani cricketers is that they have a few good matches and they think that they are the next big thing.

Can you please explain?
He did well in the only test he played (his 1st ever in SA). in the first 4 ODIS also he did a good job.

How do you come to the Superstar syndrome?
Any examples / off field incidents you know of?
 
He's a young player and is intelligent if we go by what we've seen so far, so he's bound to improve.
 
Can you please explain?
He did well in the only test he played (his 1st ever in SA). in the first 4 ODIS also he did a good job.

How do you come to the Superstar syndrome?
Any examples / off field incidents you know of?

I think Shadab is a fantastic cricketer and one of the few all-rounders who can actually win Pakistan a match in all 3 facets.

However I want him to stop the clowning around like some of his team-mates do. If he does that he will have a bright future, if he doesn't he could become another one of those Pakistani cricketers lost in the wilderness.
 
Shadab like all young bowlers do from time to time, is having a tough time. But he has improved but he needs to keep working on his bowling. He needs to keep working on the fiercely spun leg break pitching middle and leg with a drop and the drop is really important because that is his bread and butter.
 
I think Shadab is a fantastic cricketer and one of the few all-rounders who can actually win Pakistan a match in all 3 facets.

However I want him to stop the clowning around like some of his team-mates do. If he does that he will have a bright future, if he doesn't he could become another one of those Pakistani cricketers lost in the wilderness.


You must know something Saj bhai. How hard does Shadab work at his game when we aren't playing ? I have a feeling he doesn't work as hard as he should.

Also Faheem and Hasan Ali?


If you have had heard any stories, I would like to know.
 
He has struggled in the T20's but so have all our frontline bowlers.

Pakistan nearly chased down 190 odd twice so that shows that they were batting pitches.

However, he had a decent outing in the Test and ODI formats so no reason to panic.
 
I think Shadab is a fantastic cricketer and one of the few all-rounders who can actually win Pakistan a match in all 3 facets.

However I want him to stop the clowning around like some of his team-mates do. If he does that he will have a bright future, if he doesn't he could become another one of those Pakistani cricketers lost in the wilderness.

Any specific examples?
 
Superstar syndrome not helped by his PSL franchise hyping him up like there is no tomorrow.

The problem with Pakistani cricketers is that they have a few good matches and they think that they are the next big thing.

I think he bowled well in patches. Inconsistency is there, but at his age that's really expected, specially since he's a leg-spinner.

Struggled in the 3rd ODI with the wet ball. Poor in the last ODI (though Shamsi also went for 75 in that game) and then the T20Is.

The only issue in my view is that we haven't invested in any front-line spinner. Rather than being worried about Shadab, I am irked at the selection. http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?269358

Absolute shambles!

He is a tailender who is masquerading as an all-rounder when he cannot bat to save his life other than a few flukely hoicks over midwicket - even more evident by his ODI SR of 67 despite batting in the lower order. Also not good enough at his day job which is to be a wicket taking legspinner - simply does not have the variation or the guile that the likes of Ajmal, Yasir or even Afridi had.

I am fine with playing him for now if and only if he bats no higher than no. 8 and we play a specialist spinner at 9, 10 or 11.
 
This thread SMH

want a 20 yr old let spinner to bowl like Shane warne. This is the issue when you don’t pick team in merit and have to carry players on seniority and favoritism, you start finding flaws in the wrong places.
 
Well he has been struggling in last 3 matches but that is bound to happen at some stage of your career.You will have tough days too.Hopefully he comes back stronger.He has shown how good he can be in all three departments.We need to back him rather than giving OTT reactions.
 
I think he lacks a good bowling brain but that's true for most our bowlers. Not patient enough in setting up the batsman or even reading them correctly.
 
Wicket on his first ball so looks good at the moment
 
Remember when Shadab could actually spin the ball a mile ? Those were the days
 
Poor bowler.

Unless he improves his power hitting and subsequently his embarrassing SR of 65, he has no place in the team, irrespective of his theatrics in the field.
 
Shadab and Fahim are both same type of players. They are both too busy with their swag, beards, hair styles, sunscreen, etc.
 
Hence why I couldn’t understand 99% of all the fantasy XIs had him in it. Too slow with the bat and his leggies have been worked out with ease.
 
I don't see Shadab making much of an impact. Maybe against the non Asian teams perhaps.
 
The guy is coming off of a extended lay-off. Let's give him a week of practice and a couple matches. No need for knee-jerk reactions.
 
Wrist slitters are out in force The guy has been out for a while and this was a warm u Give him a break
 
The usual D&G posters complaining about a bowler making a comeback after a while and fighting off viral illness. Its captains fault for bowling him in final overs when even the best go for runs.
 
Give the guy a break, he is not even 21, averages just 26 with the ball in the last 12 months and barely goes for 5 an over...very few cam match that.

Jeez
 
Give the guy a break, he is not even 21, averages just 26 with the ball in the last 12 months and barely goes for 5 an over...very few cam match that.

Jeez

Exactly, compared to Chahal, Yadav, Imran Tahir and Rashid Khan(who is 24+ realistically), Shadab is young. He's youngest of them all.
 
Pakistan needs a genuine leg spinner. Unfortunately quality genuine leg spinners are the rarest of all talents in the cricketing world.
 
Poor bowler.

Unless he improves his power hitting and subsequently his embarrassing SR of 65, he has no place in the team, irrespective of his theatrics in the field.


I don’t know why but I feel with Shadab you are just jealous of him you don’t wanna kick out any other player it’s funny you said that cause he struck as soon as he came into the attack otherwise it would have been over way before
 
Exactly, compared to Chahal, Yadav, Imran Tahir and Rashid Khan(who is 24+ realistically), Shadab is young. He's youngest of them all.

It's not just the age, it is the fact that he does perform, yet people on here are acting like he is a burden or something.

I'm not sure how long it will takeh im to come back to full form, he had a pretty serious infection and I am not quite sure if he should even be in the squadb ut I hope he does well.
 
Our fans are overhyping him. He may have talent but he can’t pick up wickets against top teams . He’s not a frontline spinner right now.
 
Our fans are overhyping him. He may have talent but he can’t pick up wickets against top teams . He’s not a frontline spinner right now.

He bowls mostly two pie deliveries every over. Either down the leg side or half way down the pitch. He is still evolving. He has landing issues.
 
He bowls mostly two pie deliveries every over. Either down the leg side or half way down the pitch. He is still evolving. He has landing issues.

That is why he shouldn’t be the frontline spinner. Playing too much T20 has not helped Shadab development.
 
I don’t know why but I feel with Shadab you are just jealous of him you don’t wanna kick out any other player it’s funny you said that cause he struck as soon as he came into the attack otherwise it would have been over way before

I am not competing with Shadab for a place in the national team. On what basis will I be jealous?

My problem is with the notion that Shadab is indispensable and somehow vital a component of our attack. However, that is not true at all.

He averages almost 40 with the ball against India, England, New Zealand and South Africa. He is not a good enough batsman to bat in the top-order, and neither is he a good enough hitter to bat in the lower-order.

The only thing he is great at is fielding, but there is no point in carrying a specialist fielder when you are not good enough with bat or ball.

Shadab has been given the golden boy treatment because of his rapid rise. He starred in PSL 2017, made an early impression against a weak West Indies team on turning tracks, before becoming a part of the Champions Trophy winning team which elevated him to stardom, especially with that Yuvraj review which made him very popular.

Nonetheless, underneath all the bling, glamor and showboating, he is a mediocre player which is not remotely good enough to be a frontline spinner. Even in the PSL, he has struggled over the last two editions because his googly has been found out and his leg break is about as effective as Azhar Ali’s or David Warner’s.

He is a good three levels below the best ODI spinners like Rashid Khan, Kuldeep, Tahir and Chahal. There are very few teams that he would get into, and Afghanistan is certainly not one of them.

If any of those bowlers including Mujeeb were to play for Pakistan, we would not have been losing left and right in the last two years.

People talk about the decline of our fast bowling, but the biggest weakness in our team at the moment, and it has been the case for many years now, is the absence of a genuine wicket-taking spinner.

When your so-called main spinner averages almost 40 against the top sides, nothing more needs to be said about the quality of your spin bowling.

Ideally, only one of Shadab or Imad need to play, and they have to partnered by a specialist, quality spinner. I prefer Imad because he bats better.

If Shadab continues to be our main spinner, we will continue to lose more often than not. Pakistan want to jump on the wrist-spinner bandwagon who have tasted a lot of success in recent years, but there is no point when your options are not good enough.

Shadab is severely undercooked and needs to go back to F/C cricket and put in the hard yards. He is being played too much but he is not ready.

He needs to bowl long spells in domestic cricket, work on his leg break, develop bowling discipline and composure, and perhaps stake a claim to replace the aging Yasir in a few years. If we continue to masquerade him as our frontline spinner Limited Overs, his career will be over soon.

Pakistan needs to give more chances to spinners like Gohar and Asghar who are less flashy but have stronger basics. Their stock deliveries are better developed and are less gimmicky.
 
he will be alright .he is just come back from long lay off .He is dynamic feilder and decent bowler who will back to rhythm after playing few more games
 
Speaking to PCB media:

"Yes, I bowled well today with good rythm and Inshallah I will improve upon this by bowling more and practicing more before the World Cup"

"I really enjoyed playing today as I played a match after a long time"

"I know that the side relies on me for bowling in the middle-overs so I will try to take wickets and also save runs in the field"

"Today's pitch was a tough one and was nothing like what I saw on TV for the preceding games we have played here"

"We were 10-15 runs short today and even in bowling we were trying out some new things but hopefully we will perform better in the World Cup"

"Those reverse-swinging yorkers that Wahab Riaz bowled shows that our team has good balance"
 
2 warm-up matches are crucial for Shadab - he needs overs under his belt and gametime.

We may not see the best of Shadab until a few matches into the tournament.
 
He is going to be a liability, wrong type of bowler for ODI cricket. Nothing wrong with a leggie in this format, but they need to have much better control. He just doesn't hit the right area of the pitch enough. Should have brought Umer Khan instead.
 
2 warm-up matches are crucial for Shadab - he needs overs under his belt and gametime.

We may not see the best of Shadab until a few matches into the tournament.

He needs to be firing on all cylinders against WI otherwise it mighty get very ugly for us..
 
I am not competing with Shadab for a place in the national team. On what basis will I be jealous?

My problem is with the notion that Shadab is indispensable and somehow vital a component of our attack. However, that is not true at all.

He averages almost 40 with the ball against India, England, New Zealand and South Africa. He is not a good enough batsman to bat in the top-order, and neither is he a good enough hitter to bat in the lower-order.

The only thing he is great at is fielding, but there is no point in carrying a specialist fielder when you are not good enough with bat or ball.

Shadab has been given the golden boy treatment because of his rapid rise. He starred in PSL 2017, made an early impression against a weak West Indies team on turning tracks, before becoming a part of the Champions Trophy winning team which elevated him to stardom, especially with that Yuvraj review which made him very popular.

Nonetheless, underneath all the bling, glamor and showboating, he is a mediocre player which is not remotely good enough to be a frontline spinner. Even in the PSL, he has struggled over the last two editions because his googly has been found out and his leg break is about as effective as Azhar Ali’s or David Warner’s.

He is a good three levels below the best ODI spinners like Rashid Khan, Kuldeep, Tahir and Chahal. There are very few teams that he would get into, and Afghanistan is certainly not one of them.

If any of those bowlers including Mujeeb were to play for Pakistan, we would not have been losing left and right in the last two years.

People talk about the decline of our fast bowling, but the biggest weakness in our team at the moment, and it has been the case for many years now, is the absence of a genuine wicket-taking spinner.

When your so-called main spinner averages almost 40 against the top sides, nothing more needs to be said about the quality of your spin bowling.

Ideally, only one of Shadab or Imad need to play, and they have to partnered by a specialist, quality spinner. I prefer Imad because he bats better.

If Shadab continues to be our main spinner, we will continue to lose more often than not. Pakistan want to jump on the wrist-spinner bandwagon who have tasted a lot of success in recent years, but there is no point when your options are not good enough.

Shadab is severely undercooked and needs to go back to F/C cricket and put in the hard yards. He is being played too much but he is not ready.

He needs to bowl long spells in domestic cricket, work on his leg break, develop bowling discipline and composure, and perhaps stake a claim to replace the aging Yasir in a few years. If we continue to masquerade him as our frontline spinner Limited Overs, his career will be over soon.

Pakistan needs to give more chances to spinners like Gohar and Asghar who are less flashy but have stronger basics. Their stock deliveries are better developed and are less gimmicky.


Those guys have been tried to and I agree with you completely but you know it mamoon we literally have no better choice we did have one Raza Hassan but he destroyed himself
 
He is only suitable for diving here and there, coming up with cheesy haircuts and posing for cameras. He is an awful cricketer.

A club-level cricketer.
 
I probably have less knowledge than all of you so if I get anything wrong let me know. But I believe Shadab can be fixed and be a great bowler for Pakistan, we haven't had a reliable Limited overs Leggie since Mushtaq. His mistakes in bowling too quick and getting predictable are quite easy to fix really. I do not know who asked him to try and bowl quick like Rashid, and he should leave the haircuts and modeling to the true hero Ahmed Shehzad. He needs to model his bowling more closely to players like Chahal or even Kuldeep. He needs the right advice and bowling coaches, Azhar Mahmood should be removed asap. Considering our bowling coach's greatest achievement is in batting and not bowling. But otherwise Shadab is a fairly good batsman as well compared to others, and just needs small technical mental changes. Not to mention his very good fielding. I hope he can fix himself cause he could be the LI leggie we have been searching for.
 
Even before Shadab's layoff his form was declining. We have made him our lead spinner despite possessing an average of nearly 40 against top teams.

It's yet another example of why fast tracking players from a mickey mouse league like PSL instead of allowing them to develop in domestic is nonsense. He's crying out for two seasons of 4 Day cricket where he can bowl long spells and develop his stock delivery.
 
I am not competing with Shadab for a place in the national team. On what basis will I be jealous?

My problem is with the notion that Shadab is indispensable and somehow vital a component of our attack. However, that is not true at all.

He averages almost 40 with the ball against India, England, New Zealand and South Africa. He is not a good enough batsman to bat in the top-order, and neither is he a good enough hitter to bat in the lower-order.

The only thing he is great at is fielding, but there is no point in carrying a specialist fielder when you are not good enough with bat or ball.

Shadab has been given the golden boy treatment because of his rapid rise. He starred in PSL 2017, made an early impression against a weak West Indies team on turning tracks, before becoming a part of the Champions Trophy winning team which elevated him to stardom, especially with that Yuvraj review which made him very popular.

Nonetheless, underneath all the bling, glamor and showboating, he is a mediocre player which is not remotely good enough to be a frontline spinner. Even in the PSL, he has struggled over the last two editions because his googly has been found out and his leg break is about as effective as Azhar Ali’s or David Warner’s.

He is a good three levels below the best ODI spinners like Rashid Khan, Kuldeep, Tahir and Chahal. There are very few teams that he would get into, and Afghanistan is certainly not one of them.

If any of those bowlers including Mujeeb were to play for Pakistan, we would not have been losing left and right in the last two years.

People talk about the decline of our fast bowling, but the biggest weakness in our team at the moment, and it has been the case for many years now, is the absence of a genuine wicket-taking spinner.

When your so-called main spinner averages almost 40 against the top sides, nothing more needs to be said about the quality of your spin bowling.

Ideally, only one of Shadab or Imad need to play, and they have to partnered by a specialist, quality spinner. I prefer Imad because he bats better.

If Shadab continues to be our main spinner, we will continue to lose more often than not. Pakistan want to jump on the wrist-spinner bandwagon who have tasted a lot of success in recent years, but there is no point when your options are not good enough.

Shadab is severely undercooked and needs to go back to F/C cricket and put in the hard yards. He is being played too much but he is not ready.

He needs to bowl long spells in domestic cricket, work on his leg break, develop bowling discipline and composure, and perhaps stake a claim to replace the aging Yasir in a few years. If we continue to masquerade him as our frontline spinner Limited Overs, his career will be over soon.

Pakistan needs to give more chances to spinners like Gohar and Asghar who are less flashy but have stronger basics. Their stock deliveries are better developed and are less gimmicky.
Asghar is a steady option, while Gohar has less control than Shadab. We just don't have a quality specialist spinner in Pakistan cricket at the moment.
 
Asghar is a steady option, while Gohar has less control than Shadab. We just don't have a quality specialist spinner in Pakistan cricket at the moment.

Zafar's control is not poor, he's a finger spinner. If anything, his economy may be a little on the higher side as he's primarily an attacking bowler so he looks for wickets. But he can bowl economically as well.
 
Nothing wrong with Shadab Every Leggy Is Conceding Runs At 6+ Shadab Is Not Exception.
And please dont make excuse Like kuldeep Is having bad patch Or chahal. Adil Rashid Economy was 6+ Whole Pakistan Series His Overall Stats Were poor then Imad Wasim.
Zampa is playing So After the match .
 
Asghar is a steady option, while Gohar has less control than Shadab. We just don't have a quality specialist spinner in Pakistan cricket at the moment.

Asghar Is A much Much Better option.and its a surprise he didn't play for Pakistan
Really over With this pak management.
 
Give the guy a break, he is not even 21, averages just 26 with the ball in the last 12 months and barely goes for 5 an over...very few cam match that.

Jeez

Inconsequential bowler. Has zero impact with his straight ones. Looking at Lyion I am pretty sure we don't have a genuine spin bowler. Both our spinners witg fake swag and not much turn. Shadab keeps bowling faster ones or googley and Imad doesn't even bother turning the ball.
 
Zafar's control is not poor, he's a finger spinner. If anything, his economy may be a little on the higher side as he's primarily an attacking bowler so he looks for wickets. But he can bowl economically as well.
Whenever I have seen Gohar bowl, he has bowled with poor control, even on wickets with good amount of purchase. There's a reason he hasn't had a major role to play in the PSL, when he should have done a lot better whenever given the chance provided he is an attacking finger spinner.

Asghar is a good selection though. Although I believe Umer Khan is better than both Asghar or Gohar at this time.
 
Those guys have been tried to and I agree with you completely but you know it mamoon we literally have no better choice we did have one Raza Hassan but he destroyed himself

No better choice? How do you know? Has their been any spinners that have even been given a chance?
 
Inconsequential bowler. Has zero impact with his straight ones. Looking at Lyion I am pretty sure we don't have a genuine spin bowler. Both our spinners witg fake swag and not much turn. Shadab keeps bowling faster ones or googley and Imad doesn't even bother turning the ball.

Shadab has certainly lost the spin and loop he had early on but he still takes wickets and averages only 26 in his last 10 ODIs.

Imad is irrelevant to this thread.
 
Shadab has certainly lost the spin and loop he had early on but he still takes wickets and averages only 26 in his last 10 ODIs.

Imad is irrelevant to this thread.

Stats aren't everything. They don't tell the whole picture.
 
He doesn’t seem like a threatening bowler, batsmen can Milk him for easy singles and he does bowls 1-2 bad balls every over. Imad should be ahead of Shadab.
 
Shadab khan needs:

1- to bowl slow. He already bowls in 55 & more and go for runs, so why not take it more slow for few overs as he is going for runs anyway?

2- to bowl consistently a bit full to get batsman forward, on middle-off to off stump & then use googly at the same length. With shadab, we now see two bad deliveries every over. Suggests lack of practice & effort (superstar complex)

3- to stop worry about boundaries. He has probably a perfect image of himself in his brain, which is why he lose control and skills when someone hits him for six.

4- to bowl with leg slip & first slip. Silly mid off too, early. But since our mantra is to not pick wickets & only containment, so, let's continue with losing plan from last match
 
Nothing wrong with him. Everyone goes through lean patches. He will come good.
 
He doesn’t seem like a threatening bowler, batsmen can Milk him for easy singles and he does bowls 1-2 bad balls every over. Imad should be ahead of Shadab.

Imad was lecturing him in the last game where to bowl. Tells you who is the boss in spin atm.
 
He doesn’t seem like a threatening bowler, batsmen can Milk him for easy singles and he does bowls 1-2 bad balls every over. Imad should be ahead of Shadab.

He has a full range of deliveries at his disposal, but usually bowls half of them on the wrong line so he can be milked easily as you say. Then he will toss in the odd bad length delivery which will be clattered to the boundary. A leg spinner with less variety but who could bowl a better line and length would be more effective.
 
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