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How do you rate Shoaib Akhtar as a bowler?


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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OnThisDay?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OnThisDay</a> in 1999. A brilliant inswinging yorker from Shoaib Akhtar saw Sachin Tendulkar bowled for a golden duck in Kolkata <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/ifxiJSFqMF">pic.twitter.com/ifxiJSFqMF</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1361965094360543234?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 17, 2021</a></blockquote>
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Media reports say KRL stadium in Rawalpindi has been renamed as Shoaib Akhtar stadium.
 
Horrible sportsman ... bad attitude, discipline etc

Highly skilled Fast bowler ... To me he was better or equivalent to Waqar. Much below Imran, Wasim, Asif in pure skill. This is Pakistani pace bowling list by skill

Imran
Wasim
Asif
Shoaib/Waqar
Amir/Aqib
Sarfaraz Nawaz
Gul/Razzaq
 
Media reports say KRL stadium in Rawalpindi has been renamed as Shoaib Akhtar stadium.

For me its already been Shoaib Akhter Stadium ,I watched him first time practicing in the nets at KRL,He was already in news as a emerging speedster before making debut . I used to visit the KRL ground regularly whenever there was some international players were practicing there, I used to lived next to it


When I saw him bowl in nets he was with Mohammad Akram and both were chit chatting alongside. I was excited to see him bowl and could see him successful as he had great action .
 
He put the fear of god into any batsman in the world. I don’t care what anyone says, anyone facing him as he was galloping in would be scared. He was a missile, able to strike at any time. And I agree, he understood the art of fast bowling, batsman psyche and how to use the crease. He wasn’t brainless even though his comments on other matters suggest otherwise. Fitness wise I agree he could have worked better but keep in mind both his knees were deformed, he couldn’t even walk as a child. His limbs were something else, he might be exaggerating but it’s been documented that it was a hit of miracle that he played cricket at all. In my mind he is an ATG, we would kill for Akhtar to be in the team today..
 
A GOAT fast bowler when it comes to the sheer thrill he provided. I have never felt the same thrill watching any other bowler charge in.

He had the dream persona of a fast bowler; a literal psycho.

When he was in rhythm, in his peak years of 1999-2003, he could make any batsman shiver.

If only he had not killed his knees runnimg on concrete every day for miles upon miles, we would not be debating his quality.

It is my wish to see a tearaway like him again in my lifetime.
 
A good test bowler. Not so good in ODI format.
 
In my book he was my all time favorite fast bowler.

When Shoaib Akhtar was at his peak - physically and mentally - he was a true force of nature. There was something animalistic about him - the fierce run up, the delivery, his hair flowing backwards against the wind. Sometimes I think - super express fast bowlers like him - we do not understand what goes through their bodies to bowl a ball at such inhuman speed. They must be subjecting their bodies through unimaginable stress. I do not think human beings are designed to bowl at such insane speeds. So, when we have such bowlers - we should treasure them.

While yes he could have been more disciplined etc., his skill and speed were not in question. I still remember what Stephen Fleming said after Shoaib single handedly wrecked them in one of those test series that Pakistan usually were winning back in the day. Fleming said sometimes there's simply nothing you can do against such pace.

To simply put - I would pay money to watch Shoaib bowl at full tilt. There's no matching him when it came to ferocity, pace and personality. Shoaib was more than a bowler for that reason.

His best was the 1999 World Cup and the tour to India before that where he literally terrorized Indian batsmen sans Sachin who did not play that series.
 
Once in a generation talent.

Whether he fulfilled his potential fully or not is another story entirely.
 
Someone who could change the course of the match in one or two overs only and against the best of the best opponents. Lightning quick at his peak in short busts, add to it his difficult to pick bowling action and his bad boy image made him a bowler everyone hated to face.

Truly a once in a generation specimen.

People accuse him of playing less but given how fast he bowled and seeing the fair of other speed demons lime Atul Sharma, Shaun Tait, Shane Bond who played a lot lesser, even 150 ODIs + 40 tests sounds like a lot of cricket.
 
A truly magnificent once in a generation fast bowler who made the game look more entertaining than ever.

We, the kids of late 90s generation, never really could again see a battle as intensifying in cricket as we saw when we watched Tendulkar and Sehwag opening the batting against Shoaib who would run hard and bowl express pace every single time.

Rest of all the battles that we saw in future like Kohli vs Johnson, SRT vs Steyn, Rohit vs Rabada etc simply don't match in terms of sheer entertainment to watching SRT/Sehwag vs Shoaib at their peak.
 
That Ross Taylor final over ruined his entire career and legacy. It was as humiliating as the Smashing that Waqar received from Jadeja in 1996.
 
The impact and presence of Akhtar cannot be encapsulated in stats. Watching him bowl live, especially during his 1999-2002 peak was an experience that you had to live.

He was a bonafide superstar and his m emergence made the likes of Wasim and Waqar largely irrelevant for Pakistani fans. It was unthinkable that some other bowler could surpass their popularity but he achieved it.

There was a point where a lot of batsmen in the world genuinely feared him.

From 2005 onwards he was a shell of his former-self once he gained excessive muscle mass which hampered his agility.

Purely as a bowler, he was superior to Lee but inferior to Bond.

Although Imran and Wasim were different class, I would wager that he was on par with Waqar if not better. It is important to understand that he did not have the luxury to bowl with the type of doctored balls that Waqar did from 1989 to 1993, i.e. his real peak years.

In my opinion, Shoaib 1999-2002 would outperform Waqar 1989-1993 if they played in the same team and thus bowled with the same balls.
 
The impact and presence of Akhtar cannot be encapsulated in stats. Watching him bowl live, especially during his 1999-2002 peak was an experience that you had to live.

He was a bonafide superstar and his m emergence made the likes of Wasim and Waqar largely irrelevant for Pakistani fans. It was unthinkable that some other bowler could surpass their popularity but he achieved it.

There was a point where a lot of batsmen in the world genuinely feared him.

From 2005 onwards he was a shell of his former-self once he gained excessive muscle mass which hampered his agility.

Purely as a bowler, he was superior to Lee but inferior to Bond.

Although Imran and Wasim were different class, I would wager that he was on par with Waqar if not better. It is important to understand that he did not have the luxury to bowl with the type of doctored balls that Waqar did from 1989 to 1993, i.e. his real peak years.

In my opinion, Shoaib 1999-2002 would outperform Waqar 1989-1993 if they played in the same team and thus bowled with the same balls.

I dont think he was inferior to Bond, Bond has done nothing of note in the subcontinent.
 
In the news nowadays not for his bowling but more for his views on cricket and everything else.

But what was he like as a bowler in his playing days? How do you rate him?

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Absolute joy to watch, Seen few of his matches in stadium & you really feel the excitment when he is running, He seems more quicker than shown on speed gun.
 
Maybe I am just being nostalgic here there was something about Shoaib other than speed which made him scarier than other express bowlers. At their peak Brett Lee, Tait and even Sami were bowling in the >150kph range. But to me even a 145kph delivery from Shaoib looked faster and more threatening for some reason. If you were judging bowlers with the naked eye without speed guns, I am sure a 150kph Shoaib delivery looked faster than a 150kph Brett lee delivery. Maybe it was just the persona.

Also people tend to focus on speed and ignore how skillful he was. How many bowlers could get reverse swing like him even at lower speeds?
 
His action in the first couple of years flowed beautifully...

The epitome of a Rockstar - he had it all.

He is a Legend of the game - lacked longevity (comes with the rockstar territory) but his numbers are in the right places.

Devastating bowler.
 
A great addition to cricket as a game, made everyone watch it, whether you supported him, hated him or were just a neutral...

His stats didn't matter, He was simply box office....


For all his antics, Pak fans will be surprised that how many Indians like him, not just now because of his social media flattery but even in 99-05, when he was spewing venom at everyone, there was a secret admiration for this ENEMY, and an acknowledgement that this guy was something special...

And this comes from Indian fans who really don't rate the Most similar Pakistani a lot ( Waqar, in case some didn't get it)
 
I dont think he was inferior to Bond, Bond has done nothing of note in the subcontinent.

Shoaib at his best could easily do what Bond could; bowl well with the new ball in a consistent channel, and ruffle the batsmen with short bowling.

However, Bond could never do what Shoaib could; reverse the ball and get an ATG team dismissed by taking the pitch out of the equation.
His high arm action didn't support that kind of bowling, neither was he as quick as Akhtar.

To this day I maintain that no bowler has been capable of bowling a spell like this.
https://youtu.be/rWI9bx9kMDo
 
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However, Bond could never do what Shoaib could; reverse the ball and get an ATG team dismissed by taking the pitch out of the equation.
His high arm action didn't support that kind of bowling, neither was he as quick as Akhtar.

Bond did exactly that against Australia on a slow, sluggish pitch at Port Elizabeth during the 2003 World Cup. It was his poor luck that the opposition also had Brett Lee in good rhythm on that day.

Bond could reverse the ball as well as anyone. Unfortunately his body was too fragile to have a long career.
 
He ran through Aussie lineup on a dead pitch by picking up ponting, martyn, waugh brothers and Gilchrist. Probably the greatest 5 wicket hawl of all time considering the class of batsmen who were dismissed. That Colombo spell is still probably the greatest I've ever seen.
 
Bond did exactly that against Australia on a slow, sluggish pitch at Port Elizabeth during the 2003 World Cup. It was his poor luck that the opposition also had Brett Lee in good rhythm on that day.

Bond could reverse the ball as well as anyone. Unfortunately his body was too fragile to have a long career.
Bond wasnt that good against Australia in the longer format. In LOIs, He was a monster against Australia.
 
Bond wasnt that good against Australia in the longer format. In LOIs, He was a monster against Australia.

Can't make a judgment based on two test matches at the start of his career.

Despite all the hyperbole, Shoaib Akhtar, lest we forget, averages 44 with the ball in Australia.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Humbled and honoured to share that the historic KRL Stadium in Rawalpindi has been renamed as Shoaib Akhtar Stadium. I am rarely ever lost for words but today I am! I truly have no words to thank everyone for the love & respect i have received over the years.</p>— Shoaib Akhtar (@shoaib100mph) <a href="https://twitter.com/shoaib100mph/status/1370675536377298945?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I have always done by best to serve Pakistan with utmost dedication and passionate determination, with integrity. To always keep our flag high. Today and everyday I wear the star on my chest with pride. Thank you, Pakistan. Zindabad <a href="https://t.co/nCaPDKTZZ8">pic.twitter.com/nCaPDKTZZ8</a></p>— Shoaib Akhtar (@shoaib100mph) <a href="https://twitter.com/shoaib100mph/status/1370675554496708610?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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SHoaib Akhtar was all fire & brimstone - but lacked craftmanship

He was always going at full steam at the batsmen - sometimes it produced tremendous spells like Colombo 2002 or Brisbane 2002. But when it did not come off , he wud get tired & become mediocre. He did not have the ability to take wickets once ball got old

He was terrific from 1999-2002 but post 2003 became less effective in taking wickets - bcoz his pace started diminish & he was not great at setting up batsmen or taking wickets with old balls
 
Great bowler specially to left handed round the wicket with the deadly fast Yorkers. Sadly his body suffered owing to the stresses and strains but he was still the quickest even till the end. On his day was simply unplayable.
 
A superstar bowler, great stats too and every ball was threatening/wicket taking. I am blessed to witness him bowl!
 
Lol, what is this nonsense? Even if your analysis is limited to stats, averaging 25 is not so good?


I watched his entire career. I never rated him high in ODI, but rated him high in the test format.

Now, just like you, my rating can be subjective. But you can look at his objective relative performance compared to his peers. ODI game has been changing in each decade, you don't look at 25 avg and declare any bowler great. Also, ODI is not really just about average.

Akhtar was rarely ranked in the top 15 and never made it to the top 5 anytime in his career.

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If you think he was equally gun bowler in test and ODI both, then we just have to agree to disagree.
 
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He has fully encashed his popularity during his playing days to life outside Cricket. A thriving Youtube Channel. A lucrative monthly salary from PTV close to Rs 1 million. Numerous Property investments which gives him a sizeable monthly passive income. The PCB approached him for help in terms of how he could further help them monetize Pakistan Cricket and to help bring sponsorship for the regional domestic teams. I am pretty certain that he will make an aggressive bid for a Rawalpindi PSL team in the future.
 
I watched his entire career. I never rated him high in ODI, but rated him high in the test format.

Now, just like you, my rating can be subjective. But you can look at his objective relative performance compared to his peers. ODI game has been changing in each decade, you don't look at 25 avg and declare any bowler great. Also, ODI is not really just about average.

Akhtar was rarely ranked in the top 15 and never made it to the top 5 anytime in his career.

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If you think he was equally gun bowler in test and ODI both, then we just have to agree to disagree.

You said "not so good." Nobody's talking about great.
 
I watched his entire career. I never rated him high in ODI, but rated him high in the test format.

Now, just like you, my rating can be subjective. But you can look at his objective relative performance compared to his peers. ODI game has been changing in each decade, you don't look at 25 avg and declare any bowler great. Also, ODI is not really just about average.

Akhtar was rarely ranked in the top 15 and never made it to the top 5 anytime in his career.

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If you think he was equally gun bowler in test and ODI both, then we just have to agree to disagree.
Are you not aware that rating points get deducted when you miss games?
Akhtar rarely ever featured in an entire series of matches, let alone play consecutively throughout a period of 2 years or so.
He always lost points because he missed so many games.
So with that said, this metric of ranking that you always bring up holds no value to describe a bowler's skill.
 
Are you not aware that rating points get deducted when you miss games?
Akhtar rarely ever featured in an entire series of matches, let alone play consecutively throughout a period of 2 years or so.
He always lost points because he missed so many games.
So with that said, this metric of ranking that you always bring up holds no value to describe a bowler's skill.

Akhtar hardly played from 2005 to the end of his career. In fact the only time he played 6-8 consecutive months from Pakistan was towards the end of his career i.e. Summer of 2010 to March 2011 and even then his body just gave up on him as time went on.
 
Are you not aware that rating points get deducted when you miss games?
Akhtar rarely ever featured in an entire series of matches, let alone play consecutively throughout a period of 2 years or so.
He always lost points because he missed so many games.
So with that said, this metric of ranking that you always bring up holds no value to describe a bowler's skill.

The skills of a bowler are meaningless if you can't produce consistent returns. Rating a bowler is about what did he achieve in international cricket.

Take it this way. You may say that Pakistan was a talented team in XYZ period, but as far as rating a team goes it counts for zero unless consistent performance was there.
 
Are you not aware that rating points get deducted when you miss games?
Akhtar rarely ever featured in an entire series of matches, let alone play consecutively throughout a period of 2 years or so.
He always lost points because he missed so many games.
So with that said, this metric of ranking that you always bring up holds no value to describe a bowler's skill.

The same bowler broke into the top 5 and more importantly stayed in the top 5 for few years in the test format despite missing games.
 
The skills of a bowler are meaningless if you can't produce consistent returns. Rating a bowler is about what did he achieve in international cricket.

Take it this way. You may say that Pakistan was a talented team in XYZ period, but as far as rating a team goes it counts for zero unless consistent performance was there.


You are showing clear hypocrisy here.
Shoaib was not consistent in playing tests either. So this metric of playing consistently disqualifies him from being rated in that format as well, which you rate him highly for.

Hypocrisy aside, let's discuss the validity of this metric.
Well, nobodies like Kulsasekara, Bracken and even Tsotsobe if I am not wrong were ranked number one for a significant period of their careers.

They all played consistently but had very minimal impact on the world game.

How many people, especially neutrals remember their returns?
Shoaib and bond couldn't play consistently because their bodies wouldn't allow them.
Even on his comebacks, Shoaib would produce match-winning displays, which in terms of value would count a lot more than the constant but low impact chipping of a bracken or tsotsobe.

The fact that Shoaib ranked so high in both tests and Odi's despite playing so sporadically tells you of the impact he would create when he did play.

Damn! This is me debating on stats and rankings when I dont even believe in them. Alas.
 
You are showing clear hypocrisy here.
Shoaib was not consistent in playing tests either. So this metric of playing consistently disqualifies him from being rated in that format as well, which you rate him highly for.

The fact that Shoaib ranked so high in both tests and Odi's despite playing so sporadically tells you of the impact he would create when he did play.

Damn! This is me debating on stats and rankings when I dont even believe in them. Alas.

Perhaps your understanding of ranking trend is poor otherwise you won't think that Aktar was the same in both.

Yes, he missed games often, but what do we have here.

He occupied the top 5 ranks in the test for a couple of years. He never got to rank 5 even for a day in ODI. The same bowler and same fitness issues

That is consistent with how I saw him when he bowled. I am not sure what you find hypocritical here when I rate him far higher in the test than ODI and the ranking trend simply confirms my observations.
 
Dale Steyn never lit ODI and T20 cricket on fire, doesn't mean he is not an ATG bowler in tests. Akhtar was a better ODI bowler than Steyn
 
The same bowler broke into the top 5 and more importantly stayed in the top 5 for few years in the test format despite missing games.

I missed this post of yours.

Anyway, I am.not going to dig up stuff up at 6am in the morning.
For me there is no substitute for watching the game. And for me Shoaib had all the skills to be a top LOI bowler.

He was the gunnest of gun strike bowler capable of picking wickets out of nowhere; had a great yorker, bouncer, could reverse the old ball and brought slips into play with the new one.

He also had good presence of mind and was street smart in his plans; defensive as well as attacking. Plenty of times I have seen him shorten the run up and start bowling defensively; and he would pull that off quite well.

Watch his returns against India at Mohali in 2007 where 320 was chased, yet he went for 42 runs in his 10, picking 3 wickets; 2 of them from a short run.
He did this in New Zealand as well in 2001 in Christchurch iicrc when he was denied a hattrick, while bowling from 2 steps.
This shows how adaptable he was.

The only flaw that I could possibly bring up is that he at times, especially during his peak overattacked and in the process would give away a lot of runs from edges as well as byes past the keeper.
An example of this happening: https://youtu.be/FsTPQodEbXs
Watch the last few overs of his.
 
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Not one of the greats but that had to do with his stop-start career due to injuries and suspensions than a lack of skill. A healthy Akhtar had the potential to be an ATG; people forget that he got some incredible swing with the ball, in addition to being the fastest bowler of all-time.

As far as entertainment value is concerned, he was a superstar. No other bowler has been as entertaining to watch as Akhtar during his peak.
 
No one in the current Pakistan team even since 2016 can match his charisma and personality off the field. We have no characters, only wannabes.

Shoaib should be in the management as the team manager or something, the guy is a bigger draw than all of the players and coaching staff combined
 
Dale Steyn never lit ODI and T20 cricket on fire, doesn't mean he is not an ATG bowler in tests. Akhtar was a better ODI bowler than Steyn
Akhtar along with Klusener brought the entire 1999 world cup to life, which was otherwise shaping up to be a damp squib with all the rainy weather, and most teams still playing old fashioned cricket.

The buzz he created at the time was unreal; was a literal rockstar when he toured Australia later that year.
 
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I missed this post of yours.

Anyway, I am.not going to dig up stuff up at 6am in the morning.
For me there is no substitute for watching the game. And for me Shoaib had all the skills to be a top LOI bowler.

He was the gunnest of gun strike bowler capable of picking wickets out of nowhere; had a great yorker, bouncer, could reverse the old ball and brought slips into play with the new one.

He also had good presence of mind and was street smart in his plans; defensive as well as attacking. Plenty of times I have seen him shorten the run up and start bowling defensively; and he would pull that off quite well.

Watch his returns against India at Mohali in 2007 where 320 was chased, yet he went for 42 runs in his 10, picking 3 wickets; 2 of them from a short run.
He did this in New Zealand as well in 2001 in Christchurch iicrc when he was denied a hattrick, while bowling from 2 steps.
This shows how adaptable he was.

The only flaw that I could possibly bring up is that he at times, especially during his peak overattacked and in the process would give away a lot of runs from edges as well as byes past the keeper.
An example of this happening: https://youtu.be/FsTPQodEbXs
Watch the last few overs of his.

That was a huge flaw in the ODI format. That's why I don't rate him that high. He had the bowling skills obviously and he did not forget how to move balls or bowl a yorker.

Let me put it this way.

Teams started scoring at a much higher rate with T-20 games and yet Steyn finished his career in 2019 with a similar ER as Akhtar. Akhtar played mostly pre T-20 era, but he was very expensive.

In ODI, you can't really win too many games by blasting the opposition. You mostly win by giving fewer runs. For example. Akhtar took 1.5 wickets per match. You can hardly win too many games if you are taking 1.5 wickets on average and you are expensive. Yes, you will have some great spells with 4/5 wickets, but that means you also have the majority of matches with 0 or 1 wickets.

Not much to do with Akhtar here, it is a nature of ODI format. You can bowl only 10 overs and even with a good SR, you can't blast opposition consistently. But if you are expensive then you will lose many games for your team.

In the Test, the game is won by taking 20 wickets and a bowler can bowl more than 10 overs to influence the games more often if he takes wickets despite being expensive. Being expensive is not a huge issue in the test format.
 
The most flamboyant very-fast bowler of the modern era.

Got a disproportionate amount of attention compared to his performance. I was one of those fans that also got sucked into this, and only started questioning his real level by 2006.

Rating:
Below Brett Lee in consistency and heart.

Below Mitchell Johnson in destruction - Akhtar doesn't have a single test series that comes close to the wreckage of the England team that Mitchell left behind.

So the No. 3 pure-pace fast bowler of the last 25 years. Which is a pretty good achievement for someone who doesn't even have 200 test wickets.

As an ODI bowler, he was way above Johnson. But once again, below Brett Lee there too.
 
There was no sight in cricket like Shoaib steaming in his run up his jump and landing in his hair flying back his airplane celebration. What a legend.
 
The most flamboyant very-fast bowler of the modern era.

Got a disproportionate amount of attention compared to his performance. I was one of those fans that also got sucked into this, and only started questioning his real level by 2006.

Rating:
Below Brett Lee in consistency and heart.

Below Mitchell Johnson in destruction - Akhtar doesn't have a single test series that comes close to the wreckage of the England team that Mitchell left behind.

So the No. 3 pure-pace fast bowler of the last 25 years. Which is a pretty good achievement for someone who doesn't even have 200 test wickets.

As an ODI bowler, he was way above Johnson. But once again, below Brett Lee there too.

Attention was justified. Someone trying to blast may not always work, but still fun to watch.
 
The most flamboyant very-fast bowler of the modern era.

Got a disproportionate amount of attention compared to his performance. I was one of those fans that also got sucked into this, and only started questioning his real level by 2006.

Rating:
Below Brett Lee in consistency and heart.

Below Mitchell Johnson in destruction - Akhtar doesn't have a single test series that comes close to the wreckage of the England team that Mitchell left behind.

So the No. 3 pure-pace fast bowler of the last 25 years. Which is a pretty good achievement for someone who doesn't even have 200 test wickets.

As an ODI bowler, he was way above Johnson. But once again, below Brett Lee there too.

Lee for some reason didn't have Akhtar's fear factor. His stats especially in test matches are horrible considering he played in the ATG team of Mcgrath, Gillespie, Kasprowicz, Warne e.t.c. There is no excuse to have a test average of 30 plus especially given the bang he started off his career with.
 
The impact and presence of Akhtar cannot be encapsulated in stats. Watching him bowl live, especially during his 1999-2002 peak was an experience that you had to live.

He was a bonafide superstar and his m emergence made the likes of Wasim and Waqar largely irrelevant for Pakistani fans. It was unthinkable that some other bowler could surpass their popularity but he achieved it.

There was a point where a lot of batsmen in the world genuinely feared him.

From 2005 onwards he was a shell of his former-self once he gained excessive muscle mass which hampered his agility.

Purely as a bowler, he was superior to Lee but inferior to Bond.

Although Imran and Wasim were different class, I would wager that he was on par with Waqar if not better. It is important to understand that he did not have the luxury to bowl with the type of doctored balls that Waqar did from 1989 to 1993, i.e. his real peak years.

In my opinion, Shoaib 1999-2002 would outperform Waqar 1989-1993 if they played in the same team and thus bowled with the same balls.

That is brilliantly put. Couldn't agree more.

Only part I won't agree on is Waqar using doctored balls, although I havent seen him bowl during that period.
 
Not one of the greats but that had to do with his stop-start career due to injuries and suspensions than a lack of skill. A healthy Akhtar had the potential to be an ATG; people forget that he got some incredible swing with the ball, in addition to being the fastest bowler of all-time.

As far as entertainment value is concerned, he was a superstar. No other bowler has been as entertaining to watch as Akhtar during his peak.

This is for the test format. In ODIs, Akhtar was certainly a great bowler. ~250 wickets at 25, with good performances against the best teams and in all conditions.
 
His comment to a tweet about the 30th March India v Pakistan encounter in 2011 World Cup

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OnThisDay?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OnThisDay</a> in 2002. Pace, aggression, yorkers and a broken stump, as a fired-up Shoaib Akhtar took 6-16 at the National Stadium Karachi helping Pakistan beat New Zealand by 153 runs <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/Ohh4vIWpDO">pic.twitter.com/Ohh4vIWpDO</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1384759583357423616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 21, 2021</a></blockquote>
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That was a huge flaw in the ODI format. That's why I don't rate him that high. He had the bowling skills obviously and he did not forget how to move balls or bowl a yorker.

Let me put it this way.

Teams started scoring at a much higher rate with T-20 games and yet Steyn finished his career in 2019 with a similar ER as Akhtar. Akhtar played mostly pre T-20 era, but he was very expensive.

In ODI, you can't really win too many games by blasting the opposition. You mostly win by giving fewer runs. For example. Akhtar took 1.5 wickets per match. You can hardly win too many games if you are taking 1.5 wickets on average and you are expensive. Yes, you will have some great spells with 4/5 wickets, but that means you also have the majority of matches with 0 or 1 wickets.

Not much to do with Akhtar here, it is a nature of ODI format. You can bowl only 10 overs and even with a good SR, you can't blast opposition consistently. But if you are expensive then you will lose many games for your team.

In the Test, the game is won by taking 20 wickets and a bowler can bowl more than 10 overs to influence the games more often if he takes wickets despite being expensive. Being expensive is not a huge issue in the test format.

I agree with this somewhat. He had some incredible highs in this format but there were times when he could have been smarter. I remember an ODI series in Pakistan when avery slow attack of Pollock, Nel and an out of form Nitini comprehensively outbowled Akhtar and Sami who were extremely rapid but kept getting smacked to the boundary with that extra pace.
 
We only got to see Shoaib at his best in 1999 and then 2002 to 2004. He was past his best after that
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OnThisDay?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OnThisDay</a> in 2002. Shoaib Akhtar became the first man to break the 100mph barrier when he was clocked bowling to Craig McMillan at 100.04mph (161kph) during a one-day international against New Zealand in Lahore <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/laD4Oh0H3J">pic.twitter.com/laD4Oh0H3J</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1386942927574814722?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2021</a></blockquote>
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That Ponting spell at the WACA alone is grounds for greatness. Really a freak of nature.

You'll see the occasional express bowlers showing up in cricket. Johnson, Starc, Lee, Tait. But noone was more feared or known for his fast bowling than Akhtar was. 99-02 He was the most popular fast bowler in Pakistan. Insane charisma. That crazy long runup. Batsman fearing getting hurt everytime they faced him.

I'm convinced the guy was insane. How does anyone bowl that fast. That too when he had flat foot. He ran in every ball trying to bowl the fastest delivery every time.
 
India and Pakistan's bilateral series is now a far-off dream, due to the political tension between the neighbouring countries. However, the arch-rivals' last few bilateral series lived upto expectations, with plenty of action and drama on and off the field.

Pakistan toured India both in late 2007 and 2012-13, but it was the 2007 season that proved to be more successful for the Men in Blue. While MS Dhoni & Co. lost the ODIs and drew the two T20Is in 2012-13, they won both the 3 Tests and 5 ODIs back in 2007.

During the 2007 ODI series, India won the series opener courtesy Sourav Ganguly's 39, Yuvraj Singh and then newly-appointed limited-overs captain Dhoni's respective fifties. However, Robin Uthappa also looked good for his run-a-ball 11, where he even tried his famous walk-out shot off pacer Shoaib Akhtar.

While he didn't time it well, the edge off his willow led to the winning runs for Team India. Though the Men in Green bounced back and levelled the series in the next tie, in Mohali, India were again in the lead after the third encounter before Akhtar came to Uthappa and warned him for trying his walk-out shot off him, prior to the penultimate ODI.

Uthappa narrated the whole incident recently to stand-up comedian Sorabh Pant on his YouTube channel 'Wake Up With Sorabh'. "I'll share one story about Shoaib Akhtar. We were playing a game in Guwahati. And since it's in the east of India, it gets dark there early. Back then, we did not have two new balls. After 34 overs, we used to get a ball which used to be 24 overs old but slightly better. Shoaib was bowling and Irfan and I were batting. I think we needed 12 to win off 25 balls or something like that.

I remember he bowled a yorker to me. I missed it from the arm and only saw it coming straight into the blockhole. I stopped the ball dead there. That was 154 something clicks. Next ball was a low full toss and I hit the ball for four. So after that, we needed 3 or 4 runs to win and I told myself, 'Man, I have to walk out to Shoaib Akhtar and hit him. How many times will I get that opportunity.' He bowled a length ball and I did it; it took the edge and it went for four. We won the match," he said.

Uthappa further opined, "We went to Gwalior for the next game (4th ODI) and I remember we all were having dinner together. I think we hung out in someone's room and having a meal. Shoaib bhai was there as well. He came to me and said 'Robin… well played. Good game'. And then he said 'One more thing… you walked out and hit me today. If you do that again, even I don't know what will happen… you might get a beamer directed at your head.' After that, I didn't even dare walk out to him."

Talking about the last two ODIs, India won the fourth ODI by 6 wickets to take an unassailable lead, 3-1, before Shoaib Malik & Co. closed out the series with a 31-run consolation win in the final tie.

Since the 2012-13 India-Pakistan bilateral series, the two cricketing giants have never met in bilateral assignments but only in ICC events. The last clash between the senior men's cricket team took place during the 2019 ODI World Cup, where Virat Kohli & Co. won by 89 runs (DLS method).

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...rict-rules-for-wtc-final-england-tests/757584
 
An excellent video by a fan.

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Exciting to watch his runup and delivery. Smooth and flamboyant at the same time.
 
Brett Lee, Shaun Tait or Shoaib Akhtar? Michael Clarke names the fastest bowler he has faced

Former Australian captain Michael Clarke said that Shoaib Akhtar was the fastest bowler he has faced in his career. He maintained although several Australian bowlers were quick but Akhtar was the fastest among all.

Michael Clarke was always earmarked for greatness. The Aussie batsman made his debut against India and immediately stamped his authority as he scored a hundred on his debut. He was made the Australian captain in the late 2000s and went on to lead his country to the World Cup title in 2015 before retiring.

During his playing career, there was a raging debate on who is the fastest bowler in the world. Players like Brett Lee, Shaun Tait and Shoaib Akhtar regularly touched speeds of over 150 kmph and were talked about as the fastest. But who was the fastest among the three?

Clarke said that Akhtar was the fastest bowler he has faced in his career. He maintained although several Australian bowlers were quick but Akhtar was the fastest among all.

“Shoaib Akhtar was the fastest I have faced. He could bowl 160. Different type of bowler who could bowl quick for three overs. Flintoff was quick for 12 overs. Lee was quick. Shoaib was quicker. Shaun Tait, Mitchell Johnson, Brett Lee and Jason Gillespie were fast. But Shoaib Akhtar was the fastest,” Clarke said on the Uncensored Podcast.

Clarke named legendary Indian player Sachin Tendulkar as the best batsman he has seen.

Clarke also recalled how Warne coped with all the pressures off the field. Clarke hailed the mental fortitude of Warne as he called it his greatest strength.

“He would always leave the things happening off the field, off the field. Generally, Warnie would have a smoke as he was walking onto the ground. He will try to hide it somewhere. And when he finished his smoke and put it out, he knew that it was game time. He crossed that line and whatever he had going off the field, he would leave it there, go and do his stuff on the field and when he came back, he knew it was still going to be there,” Clarke said on the Uncensored Podcast.

“I think that was his greatest strength, how mentally strong he was to still be able to perform when he had so much media pressure off the field with his life. He had it all his career.”

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/brett-lee-shaun-tait-or-shoaib-akhtar-michael-clarke-names-the-fastest-bowler-he-has-faced-101621910096460.html
 
Don't know how credible this is, Shoaib was past his peak when he had a crack at Clarke and wasn't operating at his prime speeds by then. Maybe he meant his slinging action made it much harder to pick him properly
 
He could make the ball talk even when coming in as the first change bowler to the Ws. Watching him bowl was a treat and irresistible. With Imran and the Ws among the top 4 Pakistan fast bowlers of all time.
 
Pakistan’s legendary former pacer Shoaib Akhtar has revealed that the ‘messy’ system of Pakistan cricket ‘bores him to death’ because it has so many problems.

The 45-year-old claimed that the whole country wanted to see him as part of the system except for 10 per cent of individuals who were against him.

“There are a lot of problems with Pakistan cricket. It bores me to death when I talk about Pakistan cricket. Where do we start and where do we end? The whole thing is a mess. Thank God that I have never been part of this mess. The whole country wants it [for me to be part of it] but a specific 10 per cent don’t want Shoaib Akhtar to not come in,” Akhtar said.

The former speedster believed that Pakistan had no stars and needed a severe jolt in the system.

“Who is a star in Pakistan cricket? Compare it to the team in 1999. People still know the names of the players in that team 20 years on. Their footage is still watched today. It is unfortunate. If you want to make a team like that again then you need that type of people. The system needs a complete revamp in the form of a jolt. I don’t know how that will happen with the people who are making the decisions. They are the ones making the decision and I don’t think they are making the right ones,” he concluded.

https://cricketpakistan.com.pk/en/news/detail/messy-pakistan-cricket-bores-me-to-death-shoaib-akhtar
 
Shoaib Akhtar is one name that pops up in minds when thinking about a tearaway fast bowler. The former Pakistan speedster is one of the finest pacers to have ever graced the game and his record speaks volumes of his prowess. Seeing Akhtar steaming in to bowl wasn’t a pleasant sight for any batter as his thunderbolts couldn’t just dismiss but also injure players.

The talismanic pacer even holds the record of bowling the fastest delivery in international cricket, 161.3 kmph against England in 2003. Needless to say, Akhtar had instilled fears in minds of many players. Recently, however, the fast bowler revealed that player whom he struggled against the most. That batter wasn’t Sachin Tendulkar, Ricky Ponting, or Brian Lara but legendary Sri Lankan spinner Muttiah Muralitharan.

Akhtar’s statement was nothing but a shocker as Muralitharan hasn’t done much with the bat in his career. However, the former Pakistan pacer found him hard to tackle and he explained the reason by recalling an interesting anecdote.

“Muttiah Muralitharan is the toughest batsman I have bowled to. I am not even kidding. He requested me not to kill him and told me that he will die if I hit him with a bouncer. He said, ‘Please pitch the ball up and I will give you the wicket away. Whenever I pitched the ball up he just used to slash hard and used to tell me that he hit it by mistake,” Akhtar told Sportskeeda.

Notably, Muralitharan, the highest wicket-taker in international cricket, had scored 1261 runs and 674 runs in 133 Tests and 350 ODI matches respectively. These numbers aren’t great by any standards but he had a strike rate of over 70 in both formats. This shows the former spinner followed the do-or-die policy and the same gave Akhtar a tough time.

Speaking of the former Pakistan pacer, he picked 444 wickets in his illustrious international career and took Pakistan to numerous victories. He bid farewell to international cricket after the 2011 World Cup but it didn’t restrict him from hogging the headlines. The 45-year-old is often in news due to his bold and controversial statements.

https://www.crictracker.com/he-requ...htar-picks-the-toughest-batsman-he-bowled-to/
 
Shoaib Akhtar believes the current group of batters are lucky as they have not faced the likes of Waqar Younis, Wasim Akram and Shane Warne and himself in the international arena.

In an exclusive chat with Sportskeeda, former Pakistani fast bowler Shoaib Akhtar spoke at length on various topics. He was asked to give his views on how much the sport of cricket had evolved over the last few years.

Akhtar opined that only the batting shots had evolved but there was no improvement in the quality of the game. He felt the majority of the current batters would fail to tackle the spin of Shane Warne and the pace and swing of Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis and himself.

"The game of cricket has not evolved. The shots have evolved, but the quality of the game has deteriorated in the last 10 years. Today's batsmen are fortunate not to face the likes of Shane Warne, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis and me," replied Shoaib Akhtar.

Shoaib Akhtar also spoke about how the fan following of cricket has gradually decreased over the years. He pointed out that the big matches of the ICC events drew big numbers in terms of viewership, but they were not consistent. The 45-year-old tried to explain the reason behind the decline and said there were no 'characters' left in the sport now.

"The deterioration has happened. The viewership of the game has not increased but it has come down because the characters of the game have gone. People are saying there's more viewership, but how is there more viewership? There's no viewership for Test matches. 600 million might have watched the Champions Trophy match, but that was a one-off," Shoaib Akhtar concluded.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/cricket...rne-wasim-akram-waqar-younis-me-shoaib-akhtar
 
Shoaib Akhtar believes the current group of batters are lucky as they have not faced the likes of Waqar Younis, Wasim Akram and Shane Warne and himself in the international arena.

In an exclusive chat with Sportskeeda, former Pakistani fast bowler Shoaib Akhtar spoke at length on various topics. He was asked to give his views on how much the sport of cricket had evolved over the last few years.

Akhtar opined that only the batting shots had evolved but there was no improvement in the quality of the game. He felt the majority of the current batters would fail to tackle the spin of Shane Warne and the pace and swing of Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis and himself.

"The game of cricket has not evolved. The shots have evolved, but the quality of the game has deteriorated in the last 10 years. Today's batsmen are fortunate not to face the likes of Shane Warne, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis and me," replied Shoaib Akhtar.

Shoaib Akhtar also spoke about how the fan following of cricket has gradually decreased over the years. He pointed out that the big matches of the ICC events drew big numbers in terms of viewership, but they were not consistent. The 45-year-old tried to explain the reason behind the decline and said there were no 'characters' left in the sport now.

"The deterioration has happened. The viewership of the game has not increased but it has come down because the characters of the game have gone. People are saying there's more viewership, but how is there more viewership? There's no viewership for Test matches. 600 million might have watched the Champions Trophy match, but that was a one-off," Shoaib Akhtar concluded.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/cricket...rne-wasim-akram-waqar-younis-me-shoaib-akhtar

Peak Waqar with no new ball skill & no ball tempering wont be feared by the batsmen. Waqar wasn't good enough even for that era 98-99 onwards.
 
Peak Waqar with no new ball skill & no ball tempering wont be feared by the batsmen. Waqar wasn't good enough even for that era 98-99 onwards.

Waqar had 13 5fers in ODIs (most ever?) and one of the craziest SR ever.

Our current team (Babar, Rizwan & SSA aside) are a bunch of incompetent lot, that's why likes of Misbah/WY get unnecessary hate.
 
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Could Shoaib Akhtar have played at 1992 WC?

In a lot of his interviews, he said that he made his debut for Pakistan too late and he should have made his debut at 92 WC under Imran Khan and would have taken far more wickets. Do you think it would have been possible for him to make his debut at 16 or 17?
 
To answer that question, does anybody reckon Shoaib Akhtar fudged his age?
 
If Naseem and Amir can do it despite being beta men then why can't Shoaib Akhtar do it being an alpha.
 
I do not trust Shoaib , he comes across a big attention seeker and over rates things on several occassion.
 
In a lot of his interviews, he said that he made his debut for Pakistan too late and he should have made his debut at 92 WC under Imran Khan and would have taken far more wickets. Do you think it would have been possible for him to make his debut at 16 or 17?

In interviews I’ve seen him say he was ready to go in 94-95.

Never heard him say 92
 
To answer that question, does anybody reckon Shoaib Akhtar fudged his age?

Considering he was still bowling really quick and was pretty decent in WC 2011 and right before it, at age 36, I don't think he fudged his age.
 
No way maybe around 1996 but not in 1992

Hardly any bowlers are ready to play for their national teams at 16-17 unless theyve fudged their age
 
His peers rate him very highly and he tends to make quite a few world 11s these days.
Absoloute box office and a pure match winner. There was a time when pakistan had won 3-4 test matches against Southafrica and Akhtar had starred in every single victory. A massive match winner but had a cringy personality.
No questioning his bowling skills though.
He made cricket very exciting to watch.

he might have been a a bit diffucult, but if you look back at his transgressions, he hit Mohammad Asif, he should have given him even more of a beating in hindsight and he played under Inzi, the captain that started Pakistan's defensive mindset in the field. Pretty much all of Inzi's marquee wins as captain were when AKhtar won Pak the games with his fiery spells
 
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