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[VIDEOS] Is Babar Azam a softie?

Babar is already complacent this early into his career. He literally hasnt achieved anything yet in terms of great innings..
 
His downfall is start too early.
He is just a good player nothing great. He will always score soft runs 😂
 
Not a reat way to go for Babar

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Babar Azam is merely an upmarket version of James Vince, he won't finish his career with even half the legacy of batsmen such as Younis, Yousuf, or Inzamam.
 
Come on guys !
All great players had somr bad days, but Azam is a special talent.
He will be back sure, fans putting too much pressure on him.
 
If Babar was Indian, no one would know that he exists other than IPL fans and the ardent Indian fans who keep tabs on their domestic players.

Please keep that in mind before embarrassing yourself by comparing him to the likes of Kohli and Rohit.

He is only comparable to fringe/support cast of Indian batting like Rahul, Agarwal, Iyer, Vihari etc.

The gap between the talent, skill and mentality of Pakistan and India is so great that our best batsman is only comparable to the fringe Indian batsmen.
 
Some people have completely unrealistic standards/expectations for certain players. There are so many filters/outliers attached to peer through holes in ones' batting or bowling record. There has been no perfect player and there will never be, simply because Cricket in itself is a great leveller. I have seen so much unjust criticism inflicted on many players on this forum. Sachin back in 2000s, Kohli in last few years and now it's Babar.

Competition is incredibly high at International level, it's inevitable players will go through their ups and downs. It doesn't make Babar a "softie" because he doesn't get runs in few matches. He's just about hitting his prime, they will come. What folks need to learn and understand on here, is to stop putting him at a level which he is not yet. Problem lies, not with the player, but with the expectations.
 
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Mamoon said:
If Babar was Indian, no one would know that he exists other than IPL fans and the ardent Indian fans who keep tabs on their domestic players.

Please keep that in mind before embarrassing yourself by comparing him to the likes of Kohli and Rohit.

He is only comparable to fringe/support cast of Indian batting like Rahul, Agarwal, Iyer, Vihari etc.

The gap between the talent, skill and mentality of Pakistan and India is so great that our best batsman is only comparable to the fringe Indian batsmen.
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Babar reminds me of Rahane. Technically pretty solid but throws his wicket cheaply by playing a tame shot. Both pretty average vs spin.
 
In last 24 months, Kohli is a nobody. Babar and so many other batsmen have comfortable outscored him.
 
speed_thrills said:
In last 24 months, Kohli is a nobody. Babar and so many other batsmen have comfortable outscored him.
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It's like saying the brightest kid of class is failing in exams since last two years, so our kid is okay by scoring only passing marks.

Where the brightest kid ends up in his career should be least of your concern.
The question you should be asking where this passing only marks will take Babar in future.

Specially when he is infamousaly consistent in scoring passing only marks (soft runs).
 
Majestic said:
Babar reminds me of Rahane. Technically pretty solid but throws his wicket cheaply by playing a tame shot. Both pretty average vs spin.
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Time for you to follow another sport if Babar reminds you of Rahane.
 
Majestic said:
Babar reminds me of Rahane. Technically pretty solid but throws his wicket cheaply by playing a tame shot. Both pretty average vs spin.
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Babar is miles ahead of Rahane in everything except for latter's great catching abilities in slips.
 
Babar got out. It was a good ball from Saqib.

He's coming off some scorching hot form, so I wouldn't hold it against him.

If anyone should be excused, it's Babar.

If our team is nothing without his runs, it means we don't have a team, we have 10 other guys just surviving off of one good player (9 given that Fakhar is in good form).
 
He is nowhere near
Smith, Williamson, Kohli, Root, Warner, Sharma, Pant, Taylor, De Kock, Maxwell, Buttler, Roy, Bairstow, Stokes, Rahul and Morgen in limited over cricket.
 
Afhan Ali said:
He is nowhere near
Smith, Williamson, Kohli, Root, Warner, Sharma, Pant, Taylor, De Kock, Maxwell, Buttler, Roy, Bairstow, Stokes, Rahul and Morgen in limited over cricket.
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Yes and the sooner some of these cringeworthy Pakistanis who worship him on social media, realize that the better. He will still go down as Pakistan’s greatest limited overs batsman and that’s good enough for us. We should be grateful. Just don’t make him out to be as good as he’s not.
 
Afhan Ali said:
He is nowhere near
Smith, Williamson, Kohli, Root, Warner, Sharma, Pant, Taylor, De Kock, Maxwell, Buttler, Roy, Bairstow, Stokes, Rahul and Morgen in limited over cricket.
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Think you can stop this type of copy paste posts please.

Provide some real insight if possible.
 
Ball was good and we must give credit to Saqib too

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marlonbrowndo said:
Yes and the sooner some of these cringeworthy Pakistanis who worship him on social media, realize that the better. He will still go down as Pakistan’s greatest limited overs batsman and that’s good enough for us. We should be grateful. Just don’t make him out to be as good as he’s not.
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He’s not better than Moyo in ODI’s. Compare the oppositions both faced, I’ve not checked the stats but I don’t think Moyo played as much against minnows than Babar.
 
Rahul, Morgan, Roy, Bairstow, Stokes, Maxwell, Williamson, Taylor, De Kock, Root, Pant don't belong in that list of batsmen who are better ODI batters than Babar.

Only Kohli, Sharma, Warner, Smith, Buttler are better than Babar, and even there, not by much.

A few failures here and there don't diminish Babar's standing in the international cricket as one of the top 5-6 ODI batsmen in the world.

Afhan Ali said:
He is nowhere near
Smith, Williamson, Kohli, Root, Warner, Sharma, Pant, Taylor, De Kock, Maxwell, Buttler, Roy, Bairstow, Stokes, Rahul and Morgen in limited over cricket.
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MP2011 said:
Babar is miles ahead of Rahane in everything except for latter's great catching abilities in slips.
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Rahane hit a 100 in England and won his side a match. He captained in Australia with a C team against Hazelwood,Cummins,Lyon and Starc and scored a 100 at MCG and won a game for his side. He scored a 40+ on a minefield in South Africa in a low scoring game to help India win a match.

Now let’s revisit your statement
 
By the way I think Babar is a fine talent and he should be playing in a team filled with senior batsmen than himself leading the pack. I think there is too much and pressure and expectations from him. He is no Tendulkar or Lara but he is right in the next zone in terms of talent.
 
Babar is a better ODI batsman than anyone who played the game in last 10 years except Kohli.
 
Majestic said:
Babar is a better ODI batsman than anyone who played the game in last 10 years except Kohli.
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He is not even half the ODI batsman Rohit is.

Root and post 2014 Smith has been better as well.
 
Agreed, Babar is probably the best ODI batsmen in the last 10 years.

But only when playing against Srilanka and Zimbabwe.
 
Mamoon said:
He is not even half the ODI batsman Rohit is.

Root and post 2014 Smith has been better as well.
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He is better than Root. Rohit has worse average than him and same strike rate. Smith is a poor man's Babar in ODIs. He is much better than rest.

Only Kohli is better than him.
 
Can't take your frustration on the other players out on him.
 
Lol some fans calling Babar better than Rohit Sharma. Rohit Sharma the batsman who has scored so many double tons in Odis for fun .
 
Bit sad the way he keeps on losing his wicket.

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Majestic said:
He is better than Root. Rohit has worse average than him and same strike rate. Smith is a poor man's Babar in ODIs. He is much better than rest.

Only Kohli is better than him.
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Take a look at what Rohit has done post 2013 or what he did in the 2019 World Cup. Babar is not fit to tie his shoelaces. Babar will never have that type of impact.

Rohit is an ATG ODI opener. Probably the best ever.

Don’t judge his stats from 2007-2012 because post 2012 he has been a completely different player.

Babar is a poor man’s Root. There is no way he is a better ODI batsman than him.

Smith can do everything that Babar can but he can also accelerate. Is Babar capable of the type of knocks Smith played against India earlier this year? No chance.
 
Mamoon said:
He is not even half the ODI batsman Rohit is.

Root and post 2014 Smith has been better as well.
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Would you seriously take Babar in ODIs over Buttler, Roy, Bairstow, Warner and Taylor against any opposition on any occasion?
 
Take the captaincy away from him, let him focus on his batting and give the captaincy to the real leader in the team, Hassan Ali.
 
Mamoon said:
Take a look at what Rohit has done post 2013 or what he <B>did in the 2019 World Cup</B>. Babar is not fit to tie his shoelaces. Babar will never have that type of impact.

Rohit is an ATG ODI opener. Probably the best ever.

Don’t judge his stats from 2007-2012 because post 2012 he has been a completely different player.

Babar is a poor man’s Root. There is no way he is a better ODI batsman than him.

Smith can do everything that Babar can but he can also accelerate. Is Babar capable of the type of knocks Smith played against India earlier this year? No chance.
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He choked in semi final :))) There are dozen of batsman with better career stats than Rohit.

Smith averages 43, Root 50, Rohit 49, Babar 56. Only Kohli has been better than Babar.
 
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Have not even bothered checking this thread before today.

Is he a softie? Maybe he is.

Is there anyone better in Pakistan? No.

End of discussion, at least for Pakistan fans.
 
Majestic said:
He choked in semi final :))) There are dozen of batsman with better career stats than Rohit.

Smith averages 43, Root 50, Rohit 49, Babar 56. Only Kohli has been better than Babar.
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He scored 5-6 hundreds in one World Cup alone. Absolutely dominated the tournament.

He is a better ODI batsman than anyone Pakistan has produced, let alone Babar.

You can judge him on his career stats if you wish, but Rohit the opener and middle-order player (2007-12) are completely different players.

Rohit the middle-order batsman was inferior than Babar, but Rohit the opener is miles above Babar.
 
Majestic said:
He choked in semi final :))) There are dozen of batsman with better career stats than Rohit.

Smith averages 43, Root 50, Rohit 49, Babar 56. Only Kohli has been better than Babar.
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Sharma, Bairstow are miles ahead of babar in terms of impact. You don't judge player by their career average. If you have to compare rohit with babar then check against top side or their impact as well. Rohit's career average is low cause he used to bat at 4/5. As openers he is surely ahead. Bairstow on other hand averages like 50+ as opener at strike rate of 110 against top sides. Babar averages around 45 against top sides (Aus/Eng/NZ/Ind/SA) and that too he is more often scores impact less runs.
 
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Sharma, Bairstow are miles ahead of babar in terms of impact. You don't judge player by their career average. If you have to compare rohit with babar then check against top side or their impact as well. Rohit's career average is low cause he used to bat at 4/5. As openers he is surely ahead. Bairstow on other hand averages like 50+ as opener at strike rate of 110 against top sides. Babar averages around 45 against top sides (Aus/Eng/NZ/Ind/SA) and that too he is more often scores impact less runs.
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India can afford to carry high impact low averaging players because of the depth they have. Pakistan has no such luxury
 
Sam99 said:
Sharma, Bairstow are miles ahead of babar in terms of impact. You don't judge player by their career average. If you have to compare rohit with babar then check against top side or their impact as well. Rohit's career average is low cause he used to bat at 4/5. As openers he is surely ahead. Bairstow on other hand averages like 50+ as opener at strike rate of 110 against top sides. Babar averages around 45 against top sides (Aus/Eng/NZ/Ind/SA) and that too he is more often scores impact less runs.
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Bairstow is a monstrous ODI player. He is already an ODI ATG in my opinion.

His consistency along with his SR is unreal. Smashing player.
 
The 14th best Limited Overs batsman in the world today after Kohli, Rohit, Roy, Bairstow, Buttler, Taylor, Warner, Smith, Root, Stokes, Finch, Williamson, Maxwell. (In no particular order)

Nevertheless, Pakistani fans should be grateful that we have managed to produce an actual world class Limited Overs batsman. But don’t put him in places he doesn’t belong.
 
marlonbrowndo said:
The 14th best Limited Overs batsman in the world today after Kohli, Rohit, Roy, Bairstow, Buttler, Taylor, Warner, Smith, Root, Stokes, Finch, Williamson, Maxwell. (In no particular order)

Nevertheless, Pakistani fans should be grateful that we have managed to produce an actual world class Limited Overs batsman. But don’t put him in places he doesn’t belong.
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Does stokes also include in that list?
 
marlonbrowndo said:
The 14th best Limited Overs batsman in the world today after Kohli, Rohit, Roy, Bairstow, Buttler, Taylor, Warner, Smith, Root, Stokes, Finch, Williamson, Maxwell. (In no particular order)

Nevertheless, Pakistani fans should be grateful that we have managed to produce an actual world class Limited Overs batsman. But don’t put him in places he doesn’t belong.
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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] would you say this is a fair assessment considering both shorter formats?
 
Babar's problem is his faulty technique against the moving ball. So disappointing to see him not improving in that aspect
 
andy0204 said:
Does stokes also include in that list?
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Yes. He can be much more explosive against good bowling lineups while having the ability to take the game deep. Plus his unbelievable performance with the bat in the World Cup including an ATG knock in the final elevates him even if his record with the bat in regular ODIs isn’t the craziest.
 
marlonbrowndo said:
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] would you say this is a fair assessment considering both shorter formats?
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Pretty much. I would also add the likes of Rahul, Pant, Miller etc. to this list.

Babar is the new Amla. He would always have great stats but you will always have a dozen players who will have more impact on the outcome of the match.
 
Doesn't have the character or personality to be the captain of the team. What actually was needed was a "danda" captain who forces him to take the next stride in his career and start playing impactful innings rather than average accumulating ones.

He looks extremely uncomfortable and I'm sure his batting will falter at some point if it continues like this. Need to get him off the captaincy and hand it over to Rizwan.
 
Seems like you've taken Akhtar's comments seriously. Making Hassan Ali kaptaan would be worse than Baber. He's a proper "shokha".
 
Local.Dada said:
Rahane hit a 100 in England and won his side a match.
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That ton came 7 years ago! Also, it was Ishant who helped us win that game. Next pls!

He captained in Australia with a C team against Hazelwood,Cummins,Lyon and Starc and scored a 100 at MCG and won a game for his side.
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Great innings, however was replete with chances. Was dropped at least twice during that innings. IIRC was out on a no-ball as well. But I agree that ton helped us win that test then why complain? And he did lead us very well in the absence of egomaniac! So well done to him....

He scored a 40+ on a minefield in South Africa in a low scoring game to help India win a match.
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Good innings, but again these kind of innings are very far and few during last 7 years. That you could list only 3 such innings in last 7 years shows how hard its been for him to score any runs, home or away!

Now let’s revisit your statement
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Pls do.
 
Babar is a mediocre batsman. He is in same league as Manish Pandey and Shreyas Iyer.

More similar to Manish Pandey, good vs pace and average vs spin. Unfortunately, Pandey played for a team which had lot of politics for playing XI and even after hitting a match winning 80 ball-hundred vs Australia, he was dropped by giving him more chances as finisher at no 5 or 6 instead of fixing the no 4 spot.
 
Majestic said:
He is better than Root. Rohit has worse average than him and same strike rate. Smith is a poor man's Babar in ODIs. He is much better than rest.

Only Kohli is better than him.
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Leave some others, there are quite a few better bats in English ODI side alone who are better bats than Babar in ODIs
 
ODI batting is a lot more specialized today so comparing a top order batsman (matchmaker) against a lower order hitter (finisher) makes little sense.
 
He is one of the best pakistan batsman ever produced Just looking at his stats but unfortunately he playing with a team who having so many mediocre batsman .so can't his fault when other players don't performed he single handedly can't win many matches like Sachin .
 
Ab Fan said:
Babar is a mediocre batsman. He is in same league as Manish Pandey and Shreyas Iyer.

More similar to Manish Pandey, good vs pace and average vs spin. Unfortunately, Pandey played for a team which had lot of politics for playing XI and even after hitting a match winning 80 ball-hundred vs Australia, he was dropped by giving him more chances as finisher at no 5 or 6 instead of fixing the no 4 spot.
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Calling him mediocre is simply dishonest.
 
Ab Fan said:
Babar is a mediocre batsman. He is in same league as Manish Pandey and Shreyas Iyer.

More similar to Manish Pandey, good vs pace and average vs spin. Unfortunately, Pandey played for a team which had lot of politics for playing XI and even after hitting a match winning 80 ball-hundred vs Australia, he was dropped by giving him more chances as finisher at no 5 or 6 instead of fixing the no 4 spot.
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:)))

Ye kuch zyada ho gaya! :inzi
 
Devadwal said:
He is one of the best pakistan batsman ever produced Just looking at his stats but unfortunately he playing with a team who having so many mediocre batsman .so can't his fault when other players don't performed he single handedly can't win many matches like Sachin .
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He is nowhere close to the best Pakistan batsman ever. Youngsters here may think the bar is lower but it isn't as low.

In Test cricket, Babar is not even in contention with 5 test hundreds and average of 42. He basically struggles vs mediocre spinners like Maharaj. In past, the likes of Inzamam, Younis, Miandad, Zaheer and Yousuf all scored truckload of runs vs quality spinners like Kumble, Herath, Harbhajan, Bedi and Chandra. He has long way to go.

Even in ODIs, he is nowhere close to the best. Saeed Anwar and Zaheer Abbas are comfortably more devastative batsman than Babar, Anwar scored 194 in that era, had he played in modern era, he would have easily hit two double hundreds and striking at close to 100.

Moreover, Anwar's issue vs swing bowling outside Asia won't have been exposed in this era and like Rohit, he too would have smashed tons for fun in England or Australia where 320+ runs target are so common these days. Inzamam was clutch too and a better match finisher than Babar.

In ODIs, Babar may have great stats but he will not be as good as Saeed Anwar, Zaheer Abbas or Inzamam if he doesn't play impactful knocks.

In Tests, he is not in a discussion.

In T20s also, the discussion will only start if he takes his strike rate over 130. A strike rate of 125 in T20 is same as strike rate of 80 in ODI.
 
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OMB said:
lol yes. What next?
Babar Azam is worse than Azam Khan?
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Pandey and Iyer are decent batsman too. Pandey has an IPL century and also won KKR an IPL final by chasing 200+ vs Punjab team that had Sehwag, Maxwell, Miller, Bailey and Mitchell Johnson. But like Babar, has lower strike rate for T20Is.
 
Ab Fan said:
Pandey and Iyer are decent batsman too. Pandey has an IPL century and also won KKR an IPL final by chasing 200+ vs Punjab team that had Sehwag, Maxwell, Miller, Bailey and Mitchell Johnson. But like Babar, has lower strike rate for T20Is.
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Pandey never rose to become to top of the ranking ever in any format.
Another thing, IPL is a totally different format as compared to an ODI so comparision between Babar and Pandey may not work.
 
Ab Fan said:
He is nowhere close to the best Pakistan batsman ever. Youngsters here may think the bar is lower but it isn't as low.

In Test cricket, Babar is not even in contention with 5 test hundreds and average of 42. He basically struggles vs mediocre spinners like Maharaj. In past, the likes of Inzamam, Younis, Miandad, Zaheer and Yousuf all scored truckload of runs vs quality spinners like Kumble, Herath, Harbhajan, Bedi and Chandra. He has long way to go.

Even in ODIs, he is nowhere close to the best. Saeed Anwar and Zaheer Abbas are comfortably more devastative batsman than Babar, Anwar scored 194 in that era, had he played in modern era, he would have easily hit two double hundreds and striking at close to 100.

Moreover, Anwar's issue vs swing bowling outside Asia won't have been exposed in this era and like Rohit, he too would have smashed tons for fun in England or Australia where 320+ runs target are so common these days. Inzamam was clutch too and a better match finisher than Babar.

In ODIs, Babar may have great stats but he will not be as good as Saeed Anwar, Zaheer Abbas or Inzamam if he doesn't play impactful knocks.

In Tests, he is not in a discussion.

In T20s also, the discussion will only start if he takes his strike rate over 130. A strike rate of 125 in T20 is same as strike rate of 80 in ODI.
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I agree in tests ,he hasn't even reached above Azhar Ali.
 
Mamoon said:
Pretty much. I would also add the likes of Rahul, Pant, Miller etc. to this list.

Babar is the new Amla. He would always have great stats but you will always have a dozen players who will have more impact on the outcome of the match.
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Why you compare Babar with Amla. Amla is far superior batsman and scored 100s against better teams in difficult condition.
 
Make Hasan Ali the captain rather than a player who is just too soft a player, let alone a captain, whose most runs are against minnows, and just one match winning innings in all three formats combined in a career of 6 years
 
Ab Fan said:
Not at all.

In a cricket mad population of 20 Crore, Babar Azam is the best batsman that Pakistan has. If you are that 1 in 20 Crore and it has been proved at the highest level, it means you are actually quite tough.

You can't be an elite player if you are not mentally tough. I am sorry but I don't agree with the OP here.
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Ab Fan said:
Babar is a mediocre batsman. He is in same league as Manish Pandey and Shreyas Iyer.

More similar to Manish Pandey, good vs pace and average vs spin. Unfortunately, Pandey played for a team which had lot of politics for playing XI and even after hitting a match winning 80 ball-hundred vs Australia, he was dropped by giving him more chances as finisher at no 5 or 6 instead of fixing the no 4 spot.
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[MENTION=139595]Ab Fan[/MENTION] I think now u agree with me, just after 2 months lol
 
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[MENTION=139595]Ab Fan[/MENTION] I think now u agree with me, just after 2 months lol
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Yeah but both the points still stands. It is fair to say that although Babar is the best that Pakistan has and is the best in a 20 crore population across formats currently, he is still just an average batsman from world cricket standards and nowhere close to the Fab Four and Warner.
 
Local.Dada said:
Rahane hit a 100 in England and won his side a match. He captained in Australia with a C team against Hazelwood,Cummins,Lyon and Starc and scored a 100 at MCG and won a game for his side. He scored a 40+ on a minefield in South Africa in a low scoring game to help India win a match.

Now let’s revisit your statement
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He also scored 2 centuries in the famous dustbowl tour of India in 2015 when the rest of the batsman including such heavyweights as AB, Kohli, Amla, Pujara, Peak Vijay, Home Dhawan, Bully Sharma etc. combined to hit zero.
 
krikit said:
He also scored 2 centuries in the famous dustbowl tour of India in 2015 when the rest of the batsman including such heavyweights as AB, Kohli, Amla, Pujara, Peak Vijay, Home Dhawan, Bully Sharma etc. combined to hit zero.
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He was awful in that series till third test but cashed on heavily on a relatively good batting wicket in Delhi. That series de Villiers was the best batsman from both sides but Rahane cashed on the flatter wicket and from not even in top 5 run scorer, he ended being a leading run scorer of the series by margin of 1 run.
 
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Ab Fan said:
He was awful in that series till third test but cashed on heavily on a relatively good batting wicket in Delhi. That series de Villiers was the best batsman from both sides but Rahane cashed on the flatter wicket and from not even in top 5 run scorer, he ended being a leading run scorer of the series by margin of 1 run.
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The point being Rahane is more accomplished as a batsman than Babar right now. Now I am not saying Rahane will always be better, Babar will get opportunities to go ahead of him. Right now he doesn’t have the same marquee innings of Rahane or Pujara leave alone Rohit or Kohli.

No one is going to remember a Babar 100 vs Aus in a odi game in a losing cause or chasing 250+ scores vs Srilanka,Bangladesh and Zim.

Yes he is head and shoulders above other Pakistan bats and has a potential to go ahead of a lot of other world class bats in the world but right now he isn’t even in Rahane’s league or for the matter of fact even Azhar Ali who I rate as the best batsman in Pakistan for his test exploits. Obviously he isn’t flashy enough for our friends here may be just like Paujara for us.
 
AMSS said:
Babar is an elite top order bat. Superior to both Root and Smith.
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Smith has played match winning knocks in ICC knockouts. Root has 100’s against all top teams in match winning efforts case in point the recent 200’s in India and Srilanka in winning efforts. Smith is already a test ATG.

Now if you pick T20 sure you have a point but then again I think even Malan or KL Rahul are better than Root and may be Smith in T20, that doesn’t put them in their league.
 
krikit said:
He also scored 2 centuries in the famous dustbowl tour of India in 2015 when the rest of the batsman including such heavyweights as AB, Kohli, Amla, Pujara, Peak Vijay, Home Dhawan, Bully Sharma etc. combined to hit zero.
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Nope.

He went completely missing during the series and scored in the Delhi pitch which was pace friendly in the first innings and a patta in the 2nd.

Ended up the series as the highest averagjng batsman which was a complete farce.

The 2 bats who actually won us that series was Pujara and Vijay on the tough tracks.
 
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