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Good innings but where was this batsmen ship last game, where was this batsmen ship any game against a quality opposition chasing a stiff target. Considering his talent and skill it's fair I reckon to call him a softie
 
Very fine innings by Babar. He needs more support to be honest, he can do really well if there are more solid batsmen around whom he can rely on to score big even if he gets out early.

At the moment Rizwan is the only one.
 
sam_ahm said:
Very fine innings by Babar. He needs more support to be honest, he can do really well if there are more solid batsmen around whom he can rely on to score big even if he gets out early.

At the moment Rizwan is the only one.
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Babar and Rizwan are so far ahead of the rest of Pakistan batsmen it's not even a debate. That's why the "knowledgable" critics in this thread will be comparing Babar disparagingly against the great players of this era to find a way to put him down.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Babar softly but firmly shoving the words of his critics back down their throats.
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Lmao dude what SERIES did you watch? When it mattered he chokes.. scoring a hundred in a dead rubber clearly shows he is AMLA type player. Stats are great but low to little impact when stakes are high
 
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Sir-fraz said:
Lmao dude what SERIES did you watch? When it mattered he chokes.. scoring a hundred in a dead rubber clearly shows he is AMLA type player. Stats are great but low to little impact when stakes are high
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He went off to a standing ovation from England fans after his 150 who can appreciate a class batsman even if softie Pakistan fans can't.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
He went off to a standing ovation from England fans after his 150 who can appreciate a class batsman even if softie Pakistan fans can't.
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being a softie doesnt mean he isnt a class batsman.. amla was class but still a choker and softie... again series was dead, still good innings. I never called it bad.

He needed a century in one of the first 2 odis. Not the 3rd when everything is done and dusted.
 
Higher ODI score than Inzimam, Younis and Yousuf now. Babar is just a world cup victory away from becoming our greatest ever ODI Batsman
 
Those who will argue that Babar scored this big ton against England C...

How many opportunities were presented to Inzimam, Younis Khan and Yousuf against bowling attacks such as Bangladesh and an Indian side with Tendulkar as a 10 over bowler?? That too on some of the flattest decks in the sub continent. Younis Khan's top score of 144 was against Hong Kong lol

You have to cash in when you can. Clearly Babar has the physical fitness to go big and beyond. This was an effortless 158, he lost intensity around the 120 mark, but he can definitely go and score a 200 at some point in his career
 
Excellent innings. It was a pure joy to watch. But we needed him in the first two games. In the second game, when we were chasing a measly total of 240 something, had Babar even scored a 50, we would have won.

Babar is a very good batsman but to be regarded as a great, he needs to perform when it really matters and be a match winner for us.
 
Clear he struggles under pressure. No point in scoring in soft situations or in dead rubbers
 
When needed, did not score. But finally in third dead rubber scores againsr county cricket bowlers. Well done pakistan. You are forgiven for your previous embarassments.
 
Should have scored a 0(1) and not wasted our time.
 
Mamoon said:
Take a look at what Rohit has done post 2013 or what he did in the 2019 World Cup. Babar is not fit to tie his shoelaces. Babar will never have that type of impact.

Rohit is an ATG ODI opener. Probably the best ever.

Don’t judge his stats from 2007-2012 because post 2012 he has been a completely different player.

Babar is a poor man’s Root. There is no way he is a better ODI batsman than him.

Smith can do everything that Babar can but he can also accelerate. Is Babar capable of the type of knocks Smith played against India earlier this year? No chance.
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Would you still say that Babar is a poor man's Root or if he is not better than Smith in ODIs?

To me, he is comfortably better than anyone from this era except Kohli. Average is 57 now and strike rate 89.5.
 
Pakistan fans have absolutely 0 knowledge about batsmanship, and you honestly can't blame them because we haven't had a world class ODI batsman since Yousuf's retirement.

Babar should be the last one to get criticised in this mediocre team. We should not forget that he plays with batsmen who are average at best and he is literally the only batsman we have who could walk into any playing XI at the moment.

Yes, he has some issues regarding acceleration, but he has improved a lot in the last 2 years in this regard and he is probably only behind Kohli and Rohit at the moment as far as ODI batsmanship is concerned.

All he needs is a few world class batsmen around him to release the pressure off his shoulders. At the moment, he knows that his wicket is all what the opposition needs to bowl this team out for less than 200.
 
Waleed93 said:
Pakistan fans have absolutely 0 knowledge about batsmanship, and you honestly can't blame them because we haven't had a world class ODI batsman since Yousuf's retirement.

Babar should be the last one to get criticised in this mediocre team. We should not forget that he plays with batsmen who are average at best and he is literally the only batsman we have who could walk into any playing XI at the moment.

Yes, he has some issues regarding acceleration, but he has improved a lot in the last 2 years in this regard and he is probably only behind Kohli and Rohit at the moment as far as ODI batsmanship is concerned.

All he needs is a few world class batsmen around him to release the pressure off his shoulders. At the moment, he knows that his wicket is all what the opposition needs to bowl this team out for less than 200.
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Babar has failed multiple times in the pursuit of stiff targets against strong opposition. In terms of ability and performance I agree he is 3rd best only to Virat and Rohit, however in terms of impact and ability - a key aspect of limited over batsmen ship- he is not even in the top 10 in the world. Until Babar starts playing impact innings that change the course of the match and actually help Pakistan will games, he cannot be placed in the same category as the best in the world
 
Waleed93 said:
Pakistan fans have absolutely 0 knowledge about batsmanship, and you honestly can't blame them because we haven't had a world class ODI batsman since Yousuf's retirement.

Babar should be the last one to get criticised in this mediocre team. We should not forget that he plays with batsmen who are average at best and he is literally the only batsman we have who could walk into any playing XI at the moment.

Yes, he has some issues regarding acceleration, but he has improved a lot in the last 2 years in this regard and he is probably only behind Kohli and Rohit at the moment as far as ODI batsmanship is concerned.

All he needs is a few world class batsmen around him to release the pressure off his shoulders. At the moment, he knows that his wicket is all what the opposition needs to bowl this team out for less than 200.
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Well he is the captain now as he said "im not a puppet" im willing to give him 3 more years and see if anything chnages in terms of mind set in the team and the culture he sets....

I think its highly unlikely he will be able to do what kohli has done with the indian team.
 
Scores from 50 to 150 in 60 balls, for those who still doubting his acceleration skills.
 
Mobashir said:
Scores from 50 to 150 in 60 balls, for those who still doubting his acceleration skills.
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Accelerating against the 2nd string attack that England fielded this series or South Africa had after their IPL players left was never in doubt though.

It's against full strength bowling attacks of top teams he tends to struggle.
 
He played very well today but you expect these types of knocks from the #1 batsman when the series is still on the line.
 
Pakistan fans are next level stupid. Why in the world would you criticize the guy who is the sole reason you have any respect left in world cricket? If Babar fails, Pakistan fails. No other world class batsman has to carry this level of trash.
 
street cricketer said:
Accelerating against the 2nd string attack that England fielded this series or South Africa had after their IPL players left was never in doubt though.

It's against full strength bowling attacks of top teams he tends to struggle.
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He averages 50 against full strength against Australia, South Africa and in mid 40 against England. Come again.
 
Someone tell him this is Pakistan not karachi kings. Match losing innings are not on here
 
Nothing will change, PCB has his back while he does this every other game. They need their "Kohli" more than the cricket.
 
When he started to run down the wicket... it was the begining of his end today... clueless against spin. Its actually laughable how bad he is against leg spin...
 
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I feel for Babar because in the last two innings he's lost his shape.
Trying to hit too hard and not playing his natural game which is proper shots and timing.

Needs to get back to basics. He has enough class to just play naturally and not try to force the issue
 
My message to Pakistani fans is to stop safeguarding him and stop putting him at levels he is yet to reach. He is a great batsman by Pakistan’s standards and the fact that we have terrible batting resources actually works to his advantage.
 
Not long before he averages less than 40. Averages 42.28 now

In 2021 (5 matches)
Azhar Ali: 53.00
Abid Ali: 50.00 (inflated against Zim)
Fawad Alam: 48.62
Faheem Ashraf: 48.50
Mohammed Rizwan: 46.57
Nauman Ali: 34.80
Yasir Shah: 23.00

Babar Azam: 22.00
Imran Butt: 20.00
Hassan Ali: 13.00
Shaheen Afridi: 03.80


We all know how bad a player Imran Butt is, and Babar is averaging similar to him in 2021 and is averaging worse than 3 out of 5 bowlers (Yasir Shah, Nauman Ali and Faheem Ashraf)

In other words just above Hassan Ali and Shaheen Afridi, and similar to Imran Butt
 
Babar with a fighting half century today in a very tough period to keep Pakistan afloat in the 1st Test against Windies.

This is the big test for him now, the test of an elite player. He's survived overnight on 54*, but Pakistan only have a 124-run lead and 5 wickets in hand.

This is a chance to go big and play a clutch, match-winning captain's knock and give his team an unassailable lead. Hoping he has the mental fortitude to do it.

If he gets out early in the day like he did last year in England and Pakistan predictably capitulate, then this innings was about as meaningful as Imran Butt's.
 
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Baber and Fahim need to play a very long innings today. Stay focused leave the balls outside off, bat deep and take Pakistan out of the trouble zone.

Windies will be trying to ball short pitch bouncers and outside off stumps. LEAVE IT ALONE.
 
His first innings was important but that fifty in the second innings is mighty important.
He has problems starting the day so let's see how he will do today when he comes to bat.
 
Babar Azam is an average Test player. This has been an excellent innings for his standards.

He needs to learn from Joe Root and Virat Kohli. Joe Root’s technique against the moving ball and Virat Kohli’s mentality and concentration.
 
Mamoon said:
Babar Azam is an average Test player. This has been an excellent innings for his standards.

He needs to learn from Joe Root and Virat Kohli. Joe Root’s technique against the moving ball and Virat Kohli’s mentality and concentration.
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Could be one of the innings of his life. If he scores a hundred and Pakistan win the match. I hope Babar plays more innings like this.
 
Babar done by the bounce off a good length as he only adds 1 to his overnight score.

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He ain't a softie, he is a world class limited overs batsman, one of the greatest of all times already, but his fans from P need to accept that he is at best at the level of Azhar Ali when it comes to Test cricket. Don't expect anything of Kohli, Root and Smith standards from him in Test cricket.
 
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Irrespective how the game goes for Babar today he has established himself as one of top 5 T20 batsman, and Top 1 or 2 batsman for combined format of recent era. In one off inni g anyone could fail just like Butler failed in semis.
 
Today’s innings again proved his limitations. Cannot go big and fast in LOI and yet to produce an overseas master class test innings.
All great batters had a couple of such innings in Tests by 26-27 age.
Heck even Pujara had produced master class doubles and had single handedly won an Australian tour and he is much more limited as compared to Babar.
Babar really needs to turn it on in tests to make a name.
Only great Test innings earn respect around the world.
 
hoshiarpurexpress said:
Today’s innings again proved his limitations. Cannot go big and fast in LOI and yet to produce an overseas master class test innings.
All great batters had a couple of such innings in Tests by 26-27 age.
Heck even Pujara had produced master class doubles and had single handedly won an Australian tour and he is much more limited as compared to Babar.
Babar really needs to turn it on in tests to make a name.
Only great Test innings earn respect around the world.
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Little correction...

Pujara didn't win Australian tour single handedly.

It was a whole team effort.

Pujara just performed his role superbly.
 
He is not a softie at all. 300 runs in this world cup along with 450 in wc 2019 proves that, KL Rahul is perfect example of a softie.

But definitely he is limited in terms of hitting ability and his strike rate of 130 in t20s proves that( despite playing all t20s post 2016).
There are other batsman who play with kinda similar approach but once they get going they end up pulverizing the opponent which isn't the same in case of Babar.
 
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To be considered a great of the game, Babar has to have :
1. A break out Test Series like Kohli had in Oz and England, Smith had in Ashes and score like 400 plus runs in a series overseas against top ranked teams in difficult conditions
2. Play some match winning blinders in LOIs and T20Is and take his team to victory. Like chasing down 300 plus vs Top 4 teams. He has only one such inning vs NZ in a crunch match and situation. Needs to add more.
Till then, just a decent batter. He is not even close to Inzi and Younis.
 
hoshiarpurexpress said:
To be considered a great of the game, Babar has to have :
1. A break out Test Series like Kohli had in Oz and England, Smith had in Ashes and score like 400 plus runs in a series overseas against top ranked teams in difficult conditions
2. Play some match winning blinders in LOIs and T20Is and take his team to victory. Like chasing down 300 plus vs Top 4 teams. He has only one such inning vs NZ in a crunch match and situation. Needs to add more.
Till then, just a decent batter. He is not even close to Inzi and Younis.
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What did younis do in odis ?
 
hoshiarpurexpress said:
He won a loi trophy in 2009 Pakistan’s only other WC win.
In test matches there is not even an iota of comparison. Babar is a baby batsman in front of those other 2 names
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Shahid Afridi won them the 2009 WC.
Younis khan hasn't played any blinders in t20s or even odis without looking at stats.


Thiers no comparison between Babar and Younis,yousuf in odis or t20s.

And thiers no comparison between younis and Babar in tests.
 
He has started to become better and will hopefully rectify it with time like Sanga did
 
Babar clearly isn't the best T20 batsman in the world as the ranking suggests. He is a world-class batsman but isn't close to Jos Buttler or David Warner(in form) level. He doesn't have the 5th gear like others outside powerplay.
 
Anyone with S/R below 130 should not even be in conversation of best T20I batsman. That is hillarious.
 
shah_1 said:
Babar clearly isn't the best T20 batsman in the world as the ranking suggests. He is a world-class batsman but isn't close to Jos Buttler or David Warner(in form) level. He doesn't have the 5th gear like others outside powerplay.
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Babar will proberly never be out of form whilst David Warner and buttler have the X factor but will have lean patches throwout thier careers.
 
shamaan said:
Williamson 124 SR
Steve Smith 126 SR



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They are not great T20I cricketers, not sure why you mentioning them. However, Williamson has an epic knock in WT20I Final, so that is worth a mention. But won't put him in a conversation of best T20I batsman.
 
Just look at the Strike rates of the best T20I cricketers that you think are and compare it to Babar's S/R, the difference is clearly there to see.

When we look at the strike rate of the rest of the batsman- Rohit, Kohli, Warner, Buttler, Finch, Rahul, they all are 135+ and some even 140+ but in Babar's case, it is just passing 130. I am okay with a strike rate of 130+, that is good enough. But does that make him the best in the world?? I don't agree.
 
This guy is captain and he makes sure that he bats all the way hence his s/r is not 150. He knows what a crap middle-order Pakistan has. cant really blame him
 
Ab Fan said:
Just look at the Strike rates of the best T20I cricketers that you think are and compare it to Babar's S/R, the difference is clearly there to see.

When we look at the strike rate of the rest of the batsman- Rohit, Kohli, Warner, Buttler, Finch, Rahul, they all are 135+ and some even 140+ but in Babar's case, it is just passing 130. I am okay with a strike rate of 130+, that is good enough. But does that make him the best in the world?? I don't agree.
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I think the best t20 batter has to be shahid afridi strike rate of 150.

You saying Rahul is in the same league as Babar lol
 
shamaan said:
I think the best t20 batter has to be shahid afridi strike rate of 150.

You saying Rahul is in the same league as Babar lol
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Comprehension issues?? Sorry, can't be fixed.

Get over your obsession of Babar, especially in T20s, if he is striking at 130 compared to the other guys who are striking at 140 and 145 and averaging over 30+.

Virat Kohli averages 55 but still strikes at 137.
 
Ab Fan said:
Comprehension issues?? Sorry, can't be fixed.

Get over your obsession of Babar, especially in T20s, if he is striking at 130 compared to the other guys who are striking at 140 and 145 and averaging over 30+.

Virat Kohli averages 55 but still strikes at 137.
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I have two questions for you.
1.Ok let's assume you are right and Babar can't be compared to Kohli because Babar's SR is 130 and Virat's SR is 137.
Can Virat be compared to Finch whose SR is 148?

2. You say we can't be top notch with a SR under 130.
Virat Kohli's overall T20I wolrd cup SR is under 130. Is he still a top t20 world cup player?
 
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