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[VIDEOS] Is Babar Azam the best all format batter in the world currently?

Kohli's average was considerably lower when he was 28 years old. Babar on the other hand is currently in his peak form which is why he is consistently breaking records.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Kohli's average was considerably lower when he was 28 years old. Babar on the other hand is currently in his peak form which is why he is consistently breaking records.
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But he played almost twice as much ODIs when he was 28. Babar isn't playing 300 ODIs at all while Kohli easily will.
 
heddie19 said:
But he played almost twice as much ODIs when he was 28. Babar isn't playing 300 ODIs at all while Kohli easily will.
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Yes unfortunately Babar has played very few ODIs in the last 4 years and after the arrival of T20 cricket there are also limited ODI matches now.
 
One thing is certain Babar is on track to become one of the greatest T20 cricket batsmen. His statistics are truly captivating.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Yes unfortunately Babar has played very few ODIs in the last 4 years and after the arrival of T20 cricket there are also limited ODI matches now.
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Yes sadly, Babar has the potential to score 65-70 International tons given less no. of ODIs and Tests. That is GOAT level if he is able to achieve it which I think he would inshaAllah.
 
Babar will achieve around 50 to 70 international centuries once his career ends.

He'll probably have the most t20 international centuries then any player though.
 
Wasim Akram:

"It is a very difficult decision, that is why I don't become a selector. I'll probably get a lot of slack back home, but I will definitely pick Virat Kohli over Babar Azam. Babar is on the way, there is no doubt. He is one of the modern greats, but it will take some time. He will catch up, but it will take time"

Fair assessment?
 
MenInG said:
Wasim Akram:

"It is a very difficult decision, that is why I don't become a selector. I'll probably get a lot of slack back home, but I will definitely pick Virat Kohli over Babar Azam. Babar is on the way, there is no doubt. He is one of the modern greats, but it will take some time. He will catch up, but it will take time"

Fair assessment?
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Of course

Wasim knows cricket
 
MenInG said:
Wasim Akram:

"It is a very difficult decision, that is why I don't become a selector. I'll probably get a lot of slack back home, but I will definitely pick Virat Kohli over Babar Azam. Babar is on the way, there is no doubt. He is one of the modern greats, but it will take some time. He will catch up, but it will take time"

Fair assessment?
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Reason why Wasim's remarks have always been substandard. He definetly lacks cricket insights. Diego Maradona is not known for his coaching or insights on the game.
No selector in the world have ever have to pick between Kohli and Babar.
Having a world-class talent and having sports IQ are two different things. No wonder, he batted first in '99 final. No wonder he picked up Haider Ali for KK and tagged him as next Babar Azam. :LOL:
 
Champ_Pal said:
Babar is what Kohli was a few years ago.
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No he's not.

As good as Babar is, it's silly to make comparisons to a younger Kohli who was something else when he got going. VK could do whatever Babar is currently doing, but Babar will never ever be able to match some of his exploits.

Like the 183 against a solid Pak attack in 2012, or the Hobart blitz against peak SL, or how he dominated a full strength Australian bowling attack in the 2013 series.
 
Apart from the World Cup hundred against New Zealand and this knock against South Africa, there are no truly memorable knocks that he has played. Just a consistent barrage of run of the mill hundreds against substandard bowling attacks.

Can only laugh when his fans desperately want him to be mentioned in the same breath as Kohli, Ponting, ABD , SRT etc..
 
This whole “across formats” is just a cop out when someone isn’t the best in anything else.

He is NOT the best test batsman
He is NOT the best odi batsman
He is NOT the best t20 batsman by a long shot

Nothing else should matter. This is like trying to find a trophy for the kid at school that never wins anything.
 
Mesozoic said:
Apart from the World Cup hundred against New Zealand and this knock against South Africa, there are no truly memorable knocks that he has played. Just a consistent barrage of run of the mill hundreds against substandard bowling attacks.

Can only laugh when his fans desperately want him to be mentioned in the same breath as Kohli, Ponting, ABD , SRT etc..
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Even that World Cup 100 Vs NZ, if left to his own devices he would have bottled that chase. It was Haris Sohail that took on the bowling and put the pressure back on NZ
 
TheSultan said:
Even that World Cup 100 Vs NZ, if left to his own devices he would have bottled that chase. It was Haris Sohail that took on the bowling and put the pressure back on NZ
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Nah I'll give him the credit where it's due. That was a challenging wicket to bat on and he did well to negate the NZ seamers when the balls were new. Also , Pak would have been out of the world cup had they lost , so added pressure of that as well..
 
Mesozoic said:
Nah I'll give him the credit where it's due. That was a challenging wicket to bat on and he did well to negate the NZ seamers when the balls were new. Also , Pak would have been out of the world cup had they lost , so added pressure of that as well..
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I think New Zealand were under par in that match they managed to make 240 despite being 80 odd for 5 after 25 overs another 20-30 runs were possible if the top order had performed better.

Recently the only series Babar played against a full strength team New Zealand he struggled within his strike rate in a previous era of ODIs I don’t think he would have a strike rate a lot higher than 75 as teams were always at full strength and pitches would help the bowlers more often.
 
Cric1234 said:
I think New Zealand were under par in that match they managed to make 240 despite being 80 odd for 5 after 25 overs another 20-30 runs were possible if the top order had performed better.

Recently the only series Babar played against a full strength team New Zealand he struggled within his strike rate in a previous era of ODIs I don’t think he would have a strike rate a lot higher than 75 as teams were always at full strength and pitches would help the bowlers more often.
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Agree.
SR of around 71 and average of 35 for Babar if he played in the same conditions as the other batter do.
 
TheSultan said:
This whole “across formats” is just a cop out when someone isn’t the best in anything else.

He is NOT the best test batsman
He is NOT the best odi batsman
He is NOT the best t20 batsman by a long shot

Nothing else should matter. This is like trying to find a trophy for the kid at school that never wins anything.
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Or for example also used by Indian fans when they can't argue that Steven Smith is the best Test batsman in the world and they have to bring Kohli all format blablabla....
 
Mobashir said:
Or for example also used by Indian fans when they can't argue that Steven Smith is the best Test batsman in the world and they have to bring Kohli all format blablabla....
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Yup - my point exactly.

This argument is also used for Tendulkar historically as it can’t be argued for either test or ODI, they have to start saying across ODIs and Tests Tendi is the best.

Weak and reaching arguments.

Unfortunately Pakistan fans have caught this bug too.

Weak
 
OpponentNumber of centuriesNumber of innings
Sri Lanka629
West Indies525
Zimbabwe218
England321
New Zealand332
South Africa226
Bangladesh113
Australia116
India010



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tauseef_mahmood said:
19 centuries against what opposition ... serious question?
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Lumber 1 player. He's so overrated by his fans recently looks like he can only score against the oppositions who has minnow level bowling like Nepal. He's a very good ODI batter but that ODI average of 59 is massively inflated due to him playing vs 2nd or 3rd string sides.
 
150 against Nepal

I thought it was 150 v Australia the way people raved about it
 
If Babar can have a good wc and emulate Kohlis Australia 2014 tour performance in Australia tour, he should be considered grt .otherwise a good batsmen at the end.
 
Asad T said:
OpponentNumber of centuriesNumber of innings
Sri Lanka629
West Indies525
Zimbabwe218
England321
New Zealand332
South Africa226
Bangladesh113
Australia116
India010



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He just scored back to back hundreds vs Australia last year. Don't know from Where you guys bring your stats do down grade him.
 
TheSultan said:
Yup - my point exactly.

This argument is also used for Tendulkar historically as it can’t be argued for either test or ODI, they have to start saying across ODIs and Tests Tendi is the best.

Weak and reaching arguments.

Unfortunately Pakistan fans have caught this bug too.

Weak
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There is definitely an argument for Tendulkar(1994-2002) as probably the greatest ODI batter. I'm not saying he IS but you can certainly make a case for it.
 
I think Stokes is the best all-format batter in the world currently.

Babar is one of the top 3.
 
People are being harsh on babar, virat kholi has also played against numerous 2nd string sides and has failed plenty of times.

Scoring 3 consequective centuries in a row 2x, having 3 international t20 centuries, Fastest to 5000 runs and 19 centuries, maintaining an average of 55+ and a strike rate of 89 to 90 is no easy feat.

Babar has 2 issues which makes people critise him and underrate him.

A) He tends to slow down when nearing a milestone.

B) He struggles against offspin, he's good at legspin (Minus Rashid khan) but offspin troubles him.

If you want a real answer, Babar is more consistent then kholi is much more consistent and his cover drive is superior. And in terms of current kholi who has regressed since his 2016, its clear who is the superior batsmen atm.

Kholi however is a match winner due to being better at chasing totals and he has a superior 4th and 5th gear then Babar and he doesn't slow down for milestones, but he's no where near as consistent and no Babar nor imam stat pad. You guys are acting as if he doesn't score against top teams when Babar has consistently done so for the past 5 years.

Do I think babar is the best since he debuted? No

I think 2016 kholi is > Babar, I think 2019 Johnny bairstow was superior, I don't even think babar is the all time best, AB de devillers, Kumar Sangakara, Sachin Tendulkar, Ricky Pointing etc all superior to babar.

But currently babar is the best in the world, Steve Smith somewhat regressed since his prime, Kane Williamson is good but babar is superior, Kholi regressed, Shubman Gill regressed since wi series, Steve Smith and Johnny bairstow regressed as well.

At best babar is still top 5 best batsmen in the world. Kholi is not no 1 anymore, the man has no performed well since 2020, only one game which was against Pakistan that he won from an impossible 28 of 8 position.
 
Babar Azam continues to make strides in his performance and his statistics already establish him as a cricket master.
 
Shubman Gill speaking in a presser:

He was questioned if the players see and follow Pakistan skipper Babar Azam's batting, Gill agreed and termed him a "World-Class player".

"Yes, definitely we follow him. When a player is doing well. Everyone watches him to find out why they are doing so good, what their speciality. The same thing goes for Babar. He is a world-class player and we all do admire him,"
 
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Abdul Razzaq on Babar Azam's innings against Afghanistan said:

“As I said earlier, how can you be number one in the world when you cannot hit a straight six? Have a look at Babar's balance and shot on a delivery on which he got out, and who was the bowler? It was Noor Ahmed who was making his debut, and it was not a delivery to get out on. Every delivery has its importance, and you have scored 74 runs on 92 balls. This difference of 3 overs cost us the match against Afghanistan. Had Shadab and Iftikhar faced more balls, we could have scored more runs.”​
 
Mobashir said:
He just scored back to back hundreds vs Australia last year. Don't know from Where you guys bring your stats do down grade him.
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Unfortunately in tournaments, he doesn’t have the luxury of playing an Australian ODI attack that doesn’t have Starc, Cummins and Hazlewood.

I agree that Babar is the best all-format batsman in the world as long as the following two conditions are met:

1. All Tests to be played in Rawalpindi
2. All major teams should pick their B and C bowling attacks in white ball matches

If these two conditions are met then Babar is definitely the best batsman in the world and the true king.

If these conditions are not met, then he is just a normal batsman and every top team has 1-2 better batsmen than him if note more and we have seen that over the last two ICC tournaments.
 
Mamoon said:
Unfortunately in tournaments, he doesn’t have the luxury of playing an Australian ODI attack that doesn’t have Starc, Cummins and Hazlewood.

I agree that Babar is the best all-format batsman in the world as long as the following two conditions are met:

1. All Tests to be played in Rawalpindi
2. All major teams should pick their B and C bowling attacks in white ball matches

If these two conditions are met then Babar is definitely the best batsman in the world and the true king.

If these conditions are not met, then he is just a normal batsman and every top team has 1-2 better batsmen than him if note more and we have seen that over the last two ICC tournaments.
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I remember a hilarious Jarrod Kimber article on Shahid Afridi where he said that Afridi's tragedy is Pakistani fans expect him to do things that he was never capable of doing

I think the same sentiment applies to Babar Azam & his fanbase !
 
NishanKonar said:
I remember a hilarious Jarrod Kimber article on Shahid Afridi where he said that Afridi's tragedy is Pakistani fans expect him to do things that he was never capable of doing

I think the same sentiment applies to Babar Azam & his fanbase !
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Babar is a very fine batsman. The best batsman Pakistan has produced in a very long time and that itself is a cause for celebration.

Babar’s biggest enemies are not his critics but his cult fan base who forced him into comparisons with a batsman who belongs in the upper pantheons of batting greats next to Tendulkar, Sir Viv, Lara and Ponting.

There are great batsmen and then there are batsmen like Kohli. It isn’t Babar’s fault that he is not in his league and never will be simply because he doesn’t have the same gift.

Babar should have never been compared to him. He didn’t ask for this comparison. Instead, he was forced into it and now he is suffering because he is losing a battle he can never win.

Babar’s brand was built to rival Kohli. He was given the ”King” moniker and he was constantly compared to Kohli by misusing statistics “fastest to XYZ runs”, “beat Kohli’s record” etc. that ignored obvious context.

All that PR and artificially generated hype is going to damage Babar’s legacy and it has already started. He would have faced a lot less scrutiny for the same output if this narrative of him being better than Kohli didn’t exist in the first place.
 
Looking at some of the responses by the fans of Babar azam are hilarious

You fans are responsible for babars downfall

Like someone above said you are demanding too much from babar azam that he's not capable of delivering that's just building unnecessary pressure on babar

Let him play his natural game and see where he ends before comparing him with world class batsmen
 
Mamoon said:
Babar is a very fine batsman. The best batsman Pakistan has produced in a very long time and that itself is a cause for celebration.

Babar’s biggest enemies are not his critics but his cult fan base who forced him into comparisons with a batsman who belongs in the upper pantheons of batting greats next to Tendulkar, Sir Viv, Lara and Ponting.

There are great batsmen and then there are batsmen like Kohli. It isn’t Babar’s fault that he is not in his league and never will be simply because he doesn’t have the same gift.

Babar should have never been compared to him. He didn’t ask for this comparison. Instead, he was forced into it and now he is suffering because he is losing a battle he can never win.

Babar’s brand was built to rival Kohli. He was given the ”King” moniker and he was constantly compared to Kohli by misusing statistics “fastest to XYZ runs”, “beat Kohli’s record” etc. that ignored obvious context.

All that PR and artificially generated hype is going to damage Babar’s legacy and it has already started. He would have faced a lot less scrutiny for the same output if this narrative of him being better than Kohli didn’t exist in the first place.
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Let the WC be over, his cult followers will be back the moment he scores a century in the subcontinent against some depleted attack.
 
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heddie19 said:
Reason why Wasim's remarks have always been substandard. He definetly lacks cricket insights. Diego Maradona is not known for his coaching or insights on the game.
No selector in the world have ever have to pick between Kohli and Babar.
Having a world-class talent and having sports IQ are two different things. No wonder, he batted first in '99 final. No wonder he picked up Haider Ali for KK and tagged him as next Babar Azam. :LOL:
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Wasim akram is one of the legends of the game

If you listen to his post match analysis most of the time he's spot on and has a great understanding of the game.

It's not fair to disrespect him like this
 
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emranabbas said:
This post gave me a chuckle though

Wasim akram is one of the legends of the game

If you listen to his post match analysis most of the time he's spot on and has a great understanding of the game.

It's not fair to disrespect him like this
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You need to re-listen to his vague analysis again. No doubt about his legacy stature even if it is tainted, but he is not expert of the game by a huge margin.
 
The enigma of babar Adam's stats is not new. We already have such player in history whose stats defy his actual skill it was "Ryan Ten doeschate" with an average of 67.
No body calls ten doeschate as a GOAT because he feasted on associate nations. Babar's is much better batsman but bis scores and stats are inflated by playing against depleted sides like west indies Zimbabwe or
 
Saanji said:
The enigma of babar Adam's stats is not new. We already have such player in history whose stats defy his actual skill it was "Ryan Ten doeschate" with an average of 67.
No body calls ten doeschate as a GOAT because he feasted on associate nations. Babar's is much better batsman but bis scores and stats are inflated by playing against depleted sides like west indies Zimbabwe or
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Feasting on 2nd string sides from top countries.
He is a good batsman, certainly the best from pakistan but is not at the caliber of big 4 we used to hear about.
Babar's stats are highly misleading.
 
Saanji said:
Feasting on 2nd string sides from top countries.
He is a good batsman, certainly the best from pakistan but is not at the caliber of big 4 we used to hear about.
Babar's stats are highly misleading.
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What big 4 are you talking about? What has Root, Smith and Williomson done in white ball in the last 4 years?
 
heddie19 said:
What big 4 are you talking about? What has Root, Smith and Williomson done in white ball in the last 4 years?
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You and others need to pipe down now. This chest thumping looks very foolish after the Babar’s bubble was burst and all of myths and exaggerations got exposed.

Best batsman in the world, best white ball player, his era has started, complete batsman bla bla bla. It all ended in tears.

Babar, Smith, Root and Williamson are pretty much identical players in white ball cricket. The only difference is that they don’t have the luxury to play every single ODI/T20I against B and C sides.

Smith and Root in particular sit out more bilateral white ball matches than they play and when they do play, it is usually against frontline attacks. These guys would also blunder big runs if they get to play every single match against weak attacks like Babar does.

Do you think Root is incapable of scoring ODI centuries on Lahore highways against an Australian attack that does not contain any of their frontline pacers?

Do you think he and Smith cannot open the innings in T20Is and score 35 ball half-centuries against weak attacks on roads?

No quality batsman (and Babar is a quality batsman) has it as easy as Babar as far white ball cricket is concerned. No other quality batsman has the luxury of playing every single white ball against weak teams and mostly on batting pitches.

The difference between Babar and Smith, Root and Williamson in white ball is not a matter of skills but a matter of circumstances. They don’t have a level-playing field and when there is a level-playing field, Babar is unable to stand out.

This World Cup was a perfect opportunity for Babar to prove his cult fans right and show the world that he is truly the number one batsman in the world.

9 matches, flat wickets, full-strength bowling units and level-playing field. If Babar was as good as his cult fans claim, he would have proven himself to be a class above the rest and cemented his claim as the best ODI batsman in the world and justified his ranking but he failed to do all of that with flying colors.

Babar has been exposed big time. All the hype and the perception that was built on the back of bashing weak attacks has proved to be an illusion and his cult fans need to accept it.

Apparently calling Babar a quality batsman is not enough because the cult fans are only satisfied if you agree with their delusions that he is the best batsman in the world which he clearly isn’t.

As far as Test cricket is concerned, he never was and never will be remotely close to the Fab Four excluding Williamson who is highly overrated mainly because of his persona and because New Zealand is one of the protagonists.
 
He was never a T20 batsman

He is clearly not the best ODI batsman

He hasn’t been the best in Test either
 
Mamoon said:
You and others need to pipe down now. This chest thumping looks very foolish after the Babar’s bubble was burst and all of myths and exaggerations got exposed.

Best batsman in the world, best white ball player, his era has started, complete batsman bla bla bla. It all ended in tears.

Babar, Smith, Root and Williamson are pretty much identical players in white ball cricket. The only difference is that they don’t have the luxury to play every single ODI/T20I against B and C sides.

Smith and Root in particular sit out more bilateral white ball matches than they play and when they do play, it is usually against frontline attacks. These guys would also blunder big runs if they get to play every single match against weak attacks like Babar does.

Do you think Root is incapable of scoring ODI centuries on Lahore highways against an Australian attack that does not contain any of their frontline pacers?

Do you think he and Smith cannot open the innings in T20Is and score 35 ball half-centuries against weak attacks on roads?

No quality batsman (and Babar is a quality batsman) has it as easy as Babar as far white ball cricket is concerned. No other quality batsman has the luxury of playing every single white ball against weak teams and mostly on batting pitches.

The difference between Babar and Smith, Root and Williamson in white ball is not a matter of skills but a matter of circumstances. They don’t have a level-playing field and when there is a level-playing field, Babar is unable to stand out.

This World Cup was a perfect opportunity for Babar to prove his cult fans right and show the world that he is truly the number one batsman in the world.

9 matches, flat wickets, full-strength bowling units and level-playing field. If Babar was as good as his cult fans claim, he would have proven himself to be a class above the rest and cemented his claim as the best ODI batsman in the world and justified his ranking but he failed to do all of that with flying colors.

Babar has been exposed big time. All the hype and the perception that was built on the back of bashing weak attacks has proved to be an illusion and his cult fans need to accept it.

Apparently calling Babar a quality batsman is not enough because the cult fans are only satisfied if you agree with their delusions that he is the best batsman in the world which he clearly isn’t.

As far as Test cricket is concerned, he never was and never will be remotely close to the Fab Four excluding Williamson who is highly overrated mainly because of his persona and because New Zealand is one of the protagonists.
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Yes, the bubble has burst. That is why you are having the "luxury" to show your bias even more confidently now. You seem like a very reasonable fan and a veteran too, I have told you several times before that it doesn't suit you. Babar and Pakistan failed in this WC, I agree. It must be an end of the world for you but not for me.

Again coming up with ifs and buts, if Root/Smith had played on roads then bla bla bla bla. This is not how it works. Babar has outperfrormed everyone career wise in the fab 4 except Kohli in white ball and the too by a country mile, whether on pindi road or trent bridge's, doesn't matter.

I agree with the test part, he was never the best.

It is good days for Babar's haters, please bash him but don't live in denial.
 
heddie19 said:
Yes, the bubble has burst. That is why you are having the "luxury" to show your bias even more confidently now. You seem like a very reasonable fan and a veteran too, I have told you several times before that it doesn't suit you. Babar and Pakistan failed in this WC, I agree. It must be an end of the world for you but not for me.

Again coming up with ifs and buts, if Root/Smith had played on roads then bla bla bla bla. This is not how it works. Babar has outperfrormed everyone career wise in the fab 4 except Kohli in white ball and the too by a country mile, whether on pindi road or trent bridge's, doesn't matter.

I agree with the test part, he was never the best.

It is good days for Babar's haters, please bash him but don't live in denial.
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These “ifs and buts” are important because they provide context.

This should be a lesson but it seems like nobody is willing to learn. Babar is the not even close to being the best batsman in the world in any format and never will be unless he drastically improve which seems unlikely.

But he is a quality batsman in his own right but apparently that is not good enough. Everyone has to agree with the myth that he is the best batsman in the world and this is his era even though all facts point in the opposite direction.
 
I dont know why we are discussing Babar as a batsman here? He is doing okay if not doing great. Its the bowling attack that has been exposed and Babar as a captain who didnt see it coming.
 
It's not Babar's fault that PCB continues to schedule a lot pointless bilaterals against mediocre teams. if he plays against Sri Lanka twice every year, he's likely to score more centuries against them!
 
shortbread said:
It's not Babar's fault that PCB continues to schedule a lot pointless bilaterals against mediocre teams. if he plays against Sri Lanka twice every year, he's likely to score more centuries against them!
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Yes it's not his fault , the point is he doesn't have awe inspiring innings against the best attacks or under pressure. At one glance, he is king of soft runs . He is among the good batsmen of present but it's incorrect to classify him anywhere in the category of all time greats.
 
Mamoon said:
These “ifs and buts” are important because they provide context.

This should be a lesson but it seems like nobody is willing to learn. Babar is the not even close to being the best batsman in the world in any format and never will be unless he drastically improve which seems unlikely.

But he is a quality batsman in his own right but apparently that is not good enough. Everyone has to agree with the myth that he is the best batsman in the world and this is his era even though all facts point in the opposite direction.
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Good days for you but even on your good day if you have to come up with ifs and buts, you know your case is weak.
You can't take away his 13000 runs. He has performed everywhere, he had among top 3/5 averages in '19 WC and was the top run scorer of '21 T20 WC.

The runs that he scored across format, across the globe are second to none which makes him the best batter in the world. If he doesn't look the best right now, doesn't mean he never was.
 
shortbread said:
It's not Babar's fault that PCB continues to schedule a lot pointless bilaterals against mediocre teams. if he plays against Sri Lanka twice every year, he's likely to score more centuries against them!
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Despite playing against weak opposition, his matches per man of the match is more than 10 while Sachin, virat have it around 6.5 .
This shows stat padding of highest order
 
heddie19 said:
Good days for you but even on your good day if you have to come up with ifs and buts, you know your case is weak.
You can't take away his 13000 runs. He has performed everywhere, he had among top 3/5 averages in '19 WC and was the top run scorer of '21 T20 WC.

The runs that he scored across format, across the globe are second to none which makes him the best batter in the world. If he doesn't look the best right now, doesn't mean he never was.
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If and buts provide context and clarity. Babar fans arrogantly dismissed them and declared him to be the number one batsman in the world. How did that work out for you?

Babar is not the best batsman in the world. He never was and probably never will be unless he drastically improves.

It was an illusion created by regular cricket against weakened opposition and also strong PR due to Pakistan’s desperation to have a batsman who can rival Kohli.
 
heddie19 said:
How lucky we're to have him. What a white ball legend already. Best in the world by a huge margin currently. It is Babar's era and we're just living in it.
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Still think we are living in the babar era?
 
mominsaigol said:
Still think we are living in the babar era?
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only time will tell. As it seems right now, Babar era has ended. :(

De kock era could have started, I always rated him high but he never fulfilled his potential but this WC, he is a different beast. Also the only Worldclass batter in Babar's age group.
 
heddie19 said:
only time will tell. As it seems right now, Babar era has ended. :(

De kock era could have started, I always rated him high but he never fulfilled his potential but this WC, he is a different beast. Also the only Worldclass batter in Babar's age group.
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De kock is retiring, his era hasn't started lol.

Babar never had an era, he just shined a bit because Smith, root never played in 4 years, same with Williamson, hardly any games.

India was also undergoing a transition stage, Kuldeep, Bumrah dealing with injuries, Rohit being unfit and kohli not playing and missing multiple odi's during these 4 years. But now that everyone is back babar is being overshadowed.

As soon as Gill came in 2022, he made it clear that the next era is his once kohli is gone.

The era's have been Don Bradman Era, Garfield sobers era, Viv Richards era, sachin era, Kohli era and as thing stand considering Gill in a year already has 9 international centuries, its likely gonna be his era post 2027 onwards.

Babar to his credit became a part of the fab 4 which is (Williamson, Smith, root and babar)

Kohli was always >>>>>>>>>>> This lot.
 
heddie19 said:
only time will tell. As it seems right now, Babar era has ended. :(

De kock era could have started, I always rated him high but he never fulfilled his potential but this WC, he is a different beast. Also the only Worldclass batter in Babar's age group.
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What never started cannot end.

Babar era only existed in the minds of his fans.
 
Mamoon said:
What never started cannot end.

Babar era only existed in the minds of his fans.
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You think Gill will lead the next era once kohli era ends? Likely kohli era is ending 2027. I think 2027 is the end for kohli, but I do see him playing till 2027 because the dude is mad fit.
 
mominsaigol said:
You think Gill will lead the next era once kohli era ends? Likely kohli era is ending 2027. I think 2027 is the end for kohli, but I do see him playing till 2027 because the dude is mad fit.
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Indian transition usually coincides. Only time it didn't coincide was when Sachin took over from Sunny. Sunny -> Sachin -> Kohli -> Gill
 
mominsaigol said:
De kock is retiring, his era hasn't started lol.

Babar never had an era, he just shined a bit because Smith, root never played in 4 years, same with Williamson, hardly any games.

India was also undergoing a transition stage, Kuldeep, Bumrah dealing with injuries, Rohit being unfit and kohli not playing and missing multiple odi's during these 4 years. But now that everyone is back babar is being overshadowed.

As soon as Gill came in 2022, he made it clear that the next era is his once kohli is gone.

The era's have been Don Bradman Era, Garfield sobers era, Viv Richards era, sachin era, Kohli era and as thing stand considering Gill in a year already has 9 international centuries, its likely gonna be his era post 2027 onwards.

Babar to his credit became a part of the fab 4 which is (Williamson, Smith, root and babar)

Kohli was always >>>>>>>>>>> This lot.
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That is what I meant from "could've" because he is retiring. I expected better from you.

I don't disagree with your era para but what about Lara, Ponting, Hayden, Sangakkara and De Villiers? Missing out so many greats not just Babar.
 
heddie19 said:
What big 4 are you talking about? What has Root, Smith and Williomson done in white ball in the last 4 years?
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A simple fact about rankings.. players lose 1% of their rating points for each game missed. Babar played all games while all his top peers have been skipping a lot of games.
It's not babar's fault that others are missing. He had an opportunity to reach like 950 rating points in odi which he never was able to.
 
mominsaigol said:
De kock is retiring, his era hasn't started lol.

Babar never had an era, he just shined a bit because Smith, root never played in 4 years, same with Williamson, hardly any games.

India was also undergoing a transition stage, Kuldeep, Bumrah dealing with injuries, Rohit being unfit and kohli not playing and missing multiple odi's during these 4 years. But now that everyone is back babar is being overshadowed.

As soon as Gill came in 2022, he made it clear that the next era is his once kohli is gone.

The era's have been Don Bradman Era, Garfield sobers era, Viv Richards era, sachin era, Kohli era and as thing stand considering Gill in a year already has 9 international centuries, its likely gonna be his era post 2027 onwards.

Babar to his credit became a part of the fab 4 which is (Williamson, Smith, root and babar)

Kohli was always >>>>>>>>>>> This lot.
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That is what I meant from "could've" because he is retiring. I expected better from you.

I don't disagree with your era para but what about Lara, Ponting, Hayden, Sangakkara and De Villiers? Missing out so many greats not just Babar.
 
mominsaigol said:
You think Gill will lead the next era once kohli era ends? Likely kohli era is ending 2027. I think 2027 is the end for kohli, but I do see him playing till 2027 because the dude is mad fit.
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He might stretch himself to 28 olympics. He is one of the reason after all 🙏
 
Mamoon said:
What never started cannot end.

Babar era only existed in the minds of his fans.
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heddie19 said:
That is what I meant from "could've" because he is retiring. I expected better from you.

I don't disagree with your era para but what about Lara, Ponting, Hayden, Sangakkara and De Villiers? Missing out so many greats not just Babar.
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I replied to what was asked from me? What kind of a stupidity is this that you ask someone about something and after getting a reply, you say oh well nevermind, it never existed. How is even a question then?

Current holder of Sir Garfield Sobers Cricketer of the year definetely had an era. Small or Big only time will tell.
 
mominsaigol said:
You think Gill will lead the next era once kohli era ends? Likely kohli era is ending 2027. I think 2027 is the end for kohli, but I do see him playing till 2027 because the dude is mad fit.
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Unless someone bursts onto the scene, Gill followed by Brook look the most likely to dominate in the coming years. Gill is better than Brook and both have much higher ceiling than Babar.

It will be difficult for Gill to have that killer instinct and aura of Kohli but he will surely be the best batsman of his crop.
 
Babar should focus on helping his team win some away tests by scoring tons. Or just help his team draw some test. or just score some away tons. Take away ton count to double digits and hopefully with some gun knocks against good teams.

He has done nothing so far away.

Asian batsmen away tons:

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Teams have to constantly focus on transition when a lot of players are in their 30s. Jaiswal is almsot certain to replace Rohit once he is gone.
 
heddie19 said:
I replied to what was asked from me? What kind of a stupidity is this that you ask someone about something and after getting a reply, you say oh well nevermind, it never existed. How is even a question then?

Current holder of Sir Garfield Sobers Cricketer of the year definetely had an era. Small or Big only time will tell.
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No one cares about individual awards in cricket because it doesn’t take so many things into account just like player ranking system doesn’t.

It is not like the Ballon D’or in football. Not even close.

Sikandar Raza was also nominee last year and he plays 99% of his matches against associate teams.

Babar era never started and never will. Kohli will pass the crown to Gill.
 
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