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Shaheen isn't even higher then naseem or haris lol.Not at all! Bumrah is the best white ball bowler right now.
I will rate him slightly higher than Shaheen Shah Afridi because he is more consistant with his line and length.
Maybe he became a father at the right time for usA happy father can become lethal on the field.
Eager to watch him play against Pakistan.
Lets see if he gets a chance to bowl or swim.
But i think his baby never cried and he took a proper sleep before Pak-India matchMaybe he became a father at the right time for us
maybe the baby cries all night, disturbing his sleep, and because of that, he wont be able to land his yokers![]()
If the baby cries all night, Bumrah will just bowl us all out and quickly attend his baby.Maybe he became a father at the right time for us
maybe the baby cries all night, disturbing his sleep, and because of that, he wont be able to land his yokers![]()
Bumrah is better in Test than in ODI. A bit like Dale Steyn.
He did only last year. Blew away England top order picking for 6 for 19.Not overrated but he definitely lacks iconic / match winning spells in ODI unlike other great bowlers like Mitchell Starc or Lasith Malinga. Cant recall any ODI where Bumrah won India the match from a difficult situation. He is more of an excellent death over specialist who pulls things back
Most of Bumrah's best performances are in test matches
Dont count performances against 2nd string teamsHe did only last year. Blew away England top order picking for 6 for 19.
Bairstow , Roy, Root, Buttler, Moeen, Ben stokes, Livingstone are second string team?Dont count performances against 2nd string teams
The greatest impact is the way he chucks the ball.Not at all! right now he is the perfect white ball bowler.
I do rate him a bit higher than Shaheen Afridi because he is an impact bowler.
It is called hyperextension elbow.The greatest impact is the way he chucks the ball.
It is called hyperextension elbow.
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Proven as in hyperextension - yeah.Has this ever been proven? And if it has please tell me why it makes it ok for him to chuck the ball?
I wasn't aware Bumrah had been called for chucking and then gone to a biomechanics lab and they stated he had hyperextension of the elbow. When did this happen? I'm genuinely curious now as I was not aware this had happened.Proven as in hyperextension - yeah.
Proven whether he chucks - nope.
I wasn't aware Bumrah had been called for chucking and then gone to a biomechanics lab and they stated he had hyperextension of the elbow. When did this happen? I'm genuinely curious now as I was not aware this had happened.
I wasn't aware Bumrah had been called for chucking and then gone to a biomechanics lab and they stated he had hyperextension of the elbow. When did this happen? I'm genuinely curious now as I was not aware this had happened.
I understand, so why has the ICC (if this is the case) accepted he simply hyperextends without any involvement from their biomechanics lab? Akhtar had the exact same issue and was called and tested. Why would no umpire, iwth their naked eye, think Bumrah is NOT chucking? It clearly looks that way.You should not be curious at all. He has NEVER been called for chucking bcoz he doesn't.
And bcoz this has never happened...you are not aware.
Is it clear now?
i was about to mention this. also check his averages in odi vs australia, pakistan and england. its over 35 i am sure.Bumrah desperately needs a outstanding ICC tournament, something he has lacked in his career.
4 wickets and averaging over 50 in the Champions Trophy and suffered absolutely humiliation in the final. One of the lowest moments of modern Indian cricket.
In the 2019 CWC, his only world cup to date, the stats look very impressive but digging in it's not so good. 11 of his 18 wickets game against lesser opposition, most of whom had to qualify for the tournament, such as Afghanistan, WI, SL, Bang.
In the Pak game he was annihilated at 6.5 runs an over and had a single wicket in the semi against NZ...India's most important game since the CT final. Looks like he has a habit of disappearing in major games.
Let's look at T20s, a format which he was supposedly the best at and regarded by Indians as a GOAT style cricketer:
11 wickets across 10 games sounds about OK but minus the lesser teams of Afg, Ireland and Scotland, we end up with a bowler who has jusy 6 wickets and averages over 30. All this includes the famous game where he was sent for over 7 runs an over and Pakistan won by 10 wickets.
Bumrah is a terrific bowler, no doubt but he is very much a bilateral king who has not stood up for India in their most important moments, for which India has suffered. If Bumrah clicks and stand up at the best moments, then India will win those crunch moments.
i feel the other way around. i think he is top 2/3 in red ball but in white ball he is very overrated. i dont think he will be a high wicket taker because from what i have seen teams play a bit defensive vs him on helpful pitches. it will be shaheen, starc or siraj.He is a bit overrated in red ball cricket i would say but he is exceptional with white ball.
Most Likely he is going to be one of the highest wicket taker in this World Cup.
i was about to mention this. also check his averages in odi vs australia, pakistan and england. its over 35 i am sure.
yes most players struggle on flatties these days but still for being a top 2/3 bowler in the world, his record is padded.
4 years Max? He will play ipl, maybe 7 to 9 tests a year and select odi/t20 games.He's 29 years old. How much time does he have at the top level?
Lol you will eat your words once he’s won this World Cup and finished as the highest wicket taker.He is a lethal bowler. No doubt. But still he is overated.
Lol you will eat your words once he’s won this World Cup and finished as the highest wicket taker.
World class bowler on his way to becoming a ATG
Will many ICC titles this thread should be deleted . We Pakistani fans appreciate talent
We will win the whole thing.Hhe is a lethal bowler give Bumrah to Pakistan team and we will make SF, because Bumrah not only controls the Econ. gets early wicket and excellent in death overs
Nah, the record for being the biggest bottler of all time belongs to waqar younis, with the crowning glory of his career being smacked by ajay jadeja in the biggest match oh his life. Bumrah has already won 2 test series in Australia, Pakistan has won a grand total of 0.One of the greatest bottler of all time. I have lost count how many times he has choked.
Nah bro Waqar Younis, Wasim Akram and Shoaib Akhtar hold that mantle. What was the count last? Four occasions where this lot lost must win games to a half baked Indian side?One of the greatest bottler of all time. I have lost count how many times he has choked.
That is correct and in line with my assessment as well. However in odi you could make a case for zak khan over akthar too given he helped india win crunch test matches and the world cup.Bumrah is better than Akhtar, Waqar and Imran. Only behind Wasim but not because he is less skilled but because Wasim had amazing longevity with the same level of skill.
Wasim and Bumrah are undoubtedly the two best fast bowlers in Asian cricket history.
Yes. Zaheer Khan was a terrific bowler who had no support whatsoever. He was like Alastair Cook - had 20+ different partners and none of them was able to support him and he was the one constant.That is correct and in line with my assessment as well. However in odi you could make a case for zak khan over akthar too given he helped india win crunch test matches and the world cup.
Even in tests although I personally prefer shoaib over him in tests. In odi zaheer was better despite what the averages suggest.Yes. Zaheer Khan was a terrific bowler who had no support whatsoever. He was like Alastair Cook - had 20+ different partners and none of them was able to support him and he was the one constant.
Prime Zaheer replacing Siraj in this Indian attack would make it legendary material. Bumrah, Shami and Zaheer bowling together is the stuff of dreams.
Cummins is not better in tests, its just that he played a lot more while Bumrah was injured for a long timeTerrific all format bowler.
Who all are better than this from this era?
Cummins in Tests and as overall package is probably better. Anderson due to longevity in Tests.
Starc in ODIs is better.
Rabada or Boult aren't better though. Neither is Shaheen.
To conclude, he is definitely the best all format bowler and top 3 test bowler of this generation. He just needs to keep doing it for 2-3 years more in Test cricket to be in reckoning for the top 10 fast bowlers ever.
In white ball cricket, you can’t look at wickets column without taking economy rate into consideration just like you can’t look at the runs column without taking the strike rate into consideration.Overrated.
Wasn't even in the top 3 wicket takers of WC 2023, and has failed in every ICC finals he has played in.
Both are equal. Depends on conditions.Cummins is not better in tests, its just that he played a lot more while Bumrah was injured for a long time
Cummins can't pick wickets in India, that's always gonna count against him
In white ball cricket, you can’t look at wickets column without taking economy rate into consideration just like you can’t look at the runs column without taking the strike rate into consideration.
Bumrah had the best economy rate amongst all pacers in the World Cup. He is the most difficult to hit fast bowler in the world. The hardest to score runs off.
He is an incredible asset to India and miles better than any Pakistani pacer right now.
If Bumrah is average than every bowler in Pakistan history except Wasim is also average. You must have extraordinary standards if you find Bumrah average.Regardless, Bumrah is an average bowler who has failed in every ICC final he has played in and his unorthodox action is his greatest asset, much like Murli, and we all know what your thoughts are on Murli.
He's failed a million times in crunch moments. One of the greatest choker of all time.Overrated.
Wasn't even in the top 3 wicket takers of WC 2023, and has failed in every ICC finals he has played in.
This thread is about Bumrah not about waqar you can discuss waqar on a thread related to him. Since this is about Bumrah let me remind you of his choking.Nah, the record for being the biggest bottler of all time belongs to waqar younis, with the crowning glory of his career being smacked by ajay jadeja in the biggest match oh his life. Bumrah has already won 2 test series in Australia, Pakistan has won a grand total of 0.
There you go again, comparing Bumrah exclusively with Pakistan bowlers.If Bumrah is average than every bowler in Pakistan history except Wasim is also average. You must have extraordinary standards if you find Bumrah average.
Of course, we all know that your problem with Bumrah is not his bowling or his action but your problem is his nationality.
Put a green top on him and suddenly he becomes an elite fast bowler.
The difference between him and Murali is that Murali was a blatant chucker who should have been banned forever in 1995-1996 while Bumrah’s action is unorthodox but clean as a whistle.
He's a great bowler when there is not much pressure. Always choke when he needs to step up. Starc was awful the whole world cup but stepped up when it mattered the most.Jasprit Bumrah always disappoints in knockout matches since is debut.
I cannot rank him as one of the greatest bowlers. However, I appreciate his ability to bowl pinpoint yorkers.
Beautiful.There you go again, comparing Bumrah exclusively with Pakistan bowlers.
This thread is not about Pakistan bowlers, it is about Bumrah, and Bumrah is average without his unorthodox action, and even with his unorthodox action, he has not won a single ICC final he has played in, though you think SR/AVG are more important than wickets.
I know Australian players are our “Abbus” these days, but this is poor logic. You have to perform throughout the tournament because in case you don’t know, you have to play well and win matches to qualify for the knockouts.He's a great bowler when there is not much pressure. Always choke when he needs to step up. Starc was awful the whole world cup but stepped up when it mattered the most.
JP is on the same level as Wasim AkramI know Australian players are our “Abbus” these days, but this is poor logic. You have to perform throughout the tournament because in case you don’t know, you have to play well and win matches to qualify for the knockouts.
If every Australian player had failed in the group like Starc, they wouldn’t have made the semifinals in the first place. The other players carried him into the knockouts and gave him an opportunity to make amends so he had an average tournament overall.
“stepping up when it matters most” means nothing in the context of a tournament.
Indians are you Abbus, so I would use that against posters. You can defend all you want the fact is Bumrah has choked numerous times not just once.I know Australian players are our “Abbus” these days, but this is poor logic. You have to perform throughout the tournament because in case you don’t know, you have to play well and win matches to qualify for the knockouts.
If every Australian player had failed in the group like Starc, they wouldn’t have made the semifinals in the first place. The other players carried him into the knockouts and gave him an opportunity to make amends so he had an average tournament overall.
“stepping up when it matters most” means nothing in the context of a tournament.
Agree with the list but 2019 semis he bowled well as he was hard to hit and in 2023 finals he did well enough. It's shami and siraj who stunk in the final. However bumrah dint do good in the semis.This thread is about Bumrah not about waqar you can discuss waqar on a thread related to him. Since this is about Bumrah let me remind you of his choking.
Failed to defend 378 against England to win India the series.
CT final
WC 19 semi final where he failed to pick up a wicket.
WC 23 final where he was out bowled by all the Australian fast bowlers bar Hazelwood and got spanked all over by Travis head.
Cost India the t20 semi against WI
Had a golden opportunity to win in SA last time around and failed in both games in the 4th.
Flopped at the test championship final.
These are just of top of my head. This guy is a mental midget of the highest order.
In terms of skill and ability, certainly, but Bumrah will end up 300 career wickets across formats while Wasim had 900+.JP is on the same level as Wasim Akram
AgreedIn terms of skill and ability, certainly, but Bumrah will end up 300 career wickets across formats while Wasim had 900+.
Wasim did for 15-16 years what Bumrah has done for 4-5. Longevity matters so it is difficult to rate Bumrah on par with Wasim.
You can take whoever you want but again, “performed when it matters most” logic doesn’t apply in tournaments because you also need to perform in the group stage to make it to the knockouts.Indians are you Abbus, so I would use that against posters. You can defend all you want the fact is Bumrah has choked numerous times not just once.
I know it's hard for you to digest an Indian being called a choker and mentally week, but this is a fact he flopped over and over.
The only reason it's poor logic is because it doesn't suit your narrative. I will happily take strac in a knockout match than Bumrah regardless of how many million wickets Bumrah takes during the tournament, because I know my chance are better with strac rather than a mental midget in Bumrah.