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[VIDEOS] Is Jasprit Bumrah overrated in ODIs?

Bumrah is best if we consider all formats of the game. You have to consider his workload as well. If he gets proper rest before going into odi worldcup next year i feel he will probably into top 3 wicket taker list.
 
Jasprit Bumrah is set for a comeback from injury after nearly a year away from the game when India take on Ireland in a three-match bilateral T20I series starting Friday, 18 August.

Bumrah will also have the additional responsibility of captaining the side on his return after a long journey of frustrations over the last year.

The pace spearhead missed key events including the ICC Men's T20 World Cup 2022 and the World Test Championship final aside from a handful of bilateral games, but Bumrah is back now and has confirmed that he has no restrictions and will be able to bowl full tilt in a much-needed relief for fans ahead of the ICC Men's Cricket World Cup in October-November.

"You have to respect your body and give it time to recover. But what it does is makes you hungry," he said in a press conference ahead of the first T20I against Ireland.

"I understood the moment my body recovered, I could do that little bit extra. I'm not holding back. I have had many net sessions. Not just at NCA even back home with the Gujarat team. I have no restrictions. The body feels good."

Bumrah stressed that he remained positive throughout the rehabilitation period and was confident of coming back strong.

"When your injury takes it becomes frustrating at times. But instead of having self-doubts and thinking that I won't be able to come back.

"I respected my body. I never thought that my dark days are over or I will not be able to come back because I never thought about the future. I was looking for solutions and once the solution came, I was feeling very good that I will come back and that I will work my way up."

While Bumrah's return is huge news, the pacer said that he'll keep expectations low and look to enjoy the game. When asked if Rohit Sharma and Rahul Dravid's comments on his absence adds pressure on him, Bumrah maintained that he wouldn't be stressed by someone else's opinion.

"I respect their opinion but irrespective of whether they are good or bad, I don't take anyone's opinion seriously," Bumrah said about expectations from within the camp.

"I don't want to put myself under pressure. I don't put unnecessary expectations on me. I am coming back after a long time, I want to enjoy it now. I'm not thinking that I have to contribute a lot or I will change everything.

"I am not keeping too much expectations on myself. I am coming to enjoy the game and the rest of the expectations are their problem, it is not mine. My job is to enjoy the game, to prepare the best I can and to keep my best foot forward."
 
A happy father can become lethal on the field.

Eager to watch him play against Pakistan.

Lets see if he gets a chance to bowl or swim.
 
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I generally don't like this 'best or not best' discourse but the simple answer to this thread question is no, he is definitely not overrated. The man is a legit threat no matter what the format. Simple
 
Not at all! Bumrah is the best white ball bowler right now.

I will rate him slightly higher than Shaheen Shah Afridi because he is more consistant with his line and length.
 
Not at all! Bumrah is the best white ball bowler right now.

I will rate him slightly higher than Shaheen Shah Afridi because he is more consistant with his line and length.
Shaheen isn't even higher then naseem or haris lol.

Shaheen is class and his finger injury is again babar's fault. Remember babar has composed an entire 2 year business plan in which his mission statement is labeled in bold " Kill shaheen, haris and naseem."

But shaheen ain't better then naseem or haris. Shaheen is a horrible middle overs bowler. He relies on that unplayable inswing early on, which he can't do consistent and pitches it leg side.

Haris is extremely intelligent and gets wickets because his variation and his ability to play mental mind games with the batsmen make him one dangerous opponent.

Naseem is pure line and length with swing and pace. It's why he's always economical and wicket taking. Even while being unfit he should have taken gill's wicket its just our fielding at slip is atrocious.

Shaheen isn't a bad bowler but naseem and Rauf are better. As for bumrah, Bumrah is better then everyone.
 
Maybe he became a father at the right time for us
maybe the baby cries all night, disturbing his sleep, and because of that, he wont be able to land his yokers 🙏
But i think his baby never cried and he took a proper sleep before Pak-India match :ROFLMAO:
 
Maybe he became a father at the right time for us
maybe the baby cries all night, disturbing his sleep, and because of that, he wont be able to land his yokers 🙏
If the baby cries all night, Bumrah will just bowl us all out and quickly attend his baby.

It'll be easy for him. He's literally bowling to 9 tailenders. Only imam and Babar might survive him but I doubt they will.
 
Whoever thinks he's overrated in ODI cricket, just watch his spell against Pakistan in the recently concluded Asia Cup. His average is 24.09 that is pretty decent and his economy rate is 4.62 that is very good.
 
Not overrated but he definitely lacks iconic / match winning spells in ODI unlike other great bowlers like Mitchell Starc or Lasith Malinga. Cant recall any ODI where Bumrah won India the match from a difficult situation. He is more of an excellent death over specialist who pulls things back

Most of Bumrah's best performances are in test matches
 
Not overrated but he definitely lacks iconic / match winning spells in ODI unlike other great bowlers like Mitchell Starc or Lasith Malinga. Cant recall any ODI where Bumrah won India the match from a difficult situation. He is more of an excellent death over specialist who pulls things back

Most of Bumrah's best performances are in test matches
He did only last year. Blew away England top order picking for 6 for 19.
 
Not at all! right now he is the perfect white ball bowler.

I do rate him a bit higher than Shaheen Afridi because he is an impact bowler.
 
A decent comeback by Jasprit Bumrah in the last 5 overs. Yet another reason why he's the best at what he does.

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Proven as in hyperextension - yeah.

Proven whether he chucks - nope.
I wasn't aware Bumrah had been called for chucking and then gone to a biomechanics lab and they stated he had hyperextension of the elbow. When did this happen? I'm genuinely curious now as I was not aware this had happened.
 
I wasn't aware Bumrah had been called for chucking and then gone to a biomechanics lab and they stated he had hyperextension of the elbow. When did this happen? I'm genuinely curious now as I was not aware this had happened.

You should not be curious at all. He has NEVER been called for chucking bcoz he doesn't.

And bcoz this has never happened...you are not aware.

Is it clear now?
 
I wasn't aware Bumrah had been called for chucking and then gone to a biomechanics lab and they stated he had hyperextension of the elbow. When did this happen? I'm genuinely curious now as I was not aware this had happened.

Why should he be called for chucking?

Based on your opinion?
 
You should not be curious at all. He has NEVER been called for chucking bcoz he doesn't.

And bcoz this has never happened...you are not aware.

Is it clear now?
I understand, so why has the ICC (if this is the case) accepted he simply hyperextends without any involvement from their biomechanics lab? Akhtar had the exact same issue and was called and tested. Why would no umpire, iwth their naked eye, think Bumrah is NOT chucking? It clearly looks that way.

The issue many fans will have is that the impression is, rightly or wrongly, if he wasn't Indian, he would have been called for chucking and have to be tested.

As a cricket fan, many of us want clear air, otherwise all bowlers can just wear long sleeves, chuck the ball, claim they are hyperextending and the ICC just takes their word for it. If you agree with that then your position is consistent, if you don't, then you are being unfair.
 
Bumrah desperately needs a outstanding ICC tournament, something he has lacked in his career.

4 wickets and averaging over 50 in the Champions Trophy and suffered absolutely humiliation in the final. One of the lowest moments of modern Indian cricket.

In the 2019 CWC, his only world cup to date, the stats look very impressive but digging in it's not so good. 11 of his 18 wickets game against lesser opposition, most of whom had to qualify for the tournament, such as Afghanistan, WI, SL, Bang.

In the Pak game he was annihilated at 6.5 runs an over and had a single wicket in the semi against NZ...India's most important game since the CT final. Looks like he has a habit of disappearing in major games.

Let's look at T20s, a format which he was supposedly the best at and regarded by Indians as a GOAT style cricketer:

11 wickets across 10 games sounds about OK but minus the lesser teams of Afg, Ireland and Scotland, we end up with a bowler who has jusy 6 wickets and averages over 30. All this includes the famous game where he was sent for over 7 runs an over and Pakistan won by 10 wickets.

Bumrah is a terrific bowler, no doubt but he is very much a bilateral king who has not stood up for India in their most important moments, for which India has suffered. If Bumrah clicks and stand up at the best moments, then India will win those crunch moments.
 
He is a bit overrated in red ball cricket i would say but he is exceptional with white ball.

Most Likely he is going to be one of the highest wicket taker in this World Cup.
 
Bumrah desperately needs a outstanding ICC tournament, something he has lacked in his career.

4 wickets and averaging over 50 in the Champions Trophy and suffered absolutely humiliation in the final. One of the lowest moments of modern Indian cricket.

In the 2019 CWC, his only world cup to date, the stats look very impressive but digging in it's not so good. 11 of his 18 wickets game against lesser opposition, most of whom had to qualify for the tournament, such as Afghanistan, WI, SL, Bang.

In the Pak game he was annihilated at 6.5 runs an over and had a single wicket in the semi against NZ...India's most important game since the CT final. Looks like he has a habit of disappearing in major games.

Let's look at T20s, a format which he was supposedly the best at and regarded by Indians as a GOAT style cricketer:

11 wickets across 10 games sounds about OK but minus the lesser teams of Afg, Ireland and Scotland, we end up with a bowler who has jusy 6 wickets and averages over 30. All this includes the famous game where he was sent for over 7 runs an over and Pakistan won by 10 wickets.

Bumrah is a terrific bowler, no doubt but he is very much a bilateral king who has not stood up for India in their most important moments, for which India has suffered. If Bumrah clicks and stand up at the best moments, then India will win those crunch moments.
i was about to mention this. also check his averages in odi vs australia, pakistan and england. its over 35 i am sure.
yes most players struggle on flatties these days but still for being a top 2/3 bowler in the world, his record is padded.
 
He is a bit overrated in red ball cricket i would say but he is exceptional with white ball.

Most Likely he is going to be one of the highest wicket taker in this World Cup.
i feel the other way around. i think he is top 2/3 in red ball but in white ball he is very overrated. i dont think he will be a high wicket taker because from what i have seen teams play a bit defensive vs him on helpful pitches. it will be shaheen, starc or siraj.
 
i was about to mention this. also check his averages in odi vs australia, pakistan and england. its over 35 i am sure.
yes most players struggle on flatties these days but still for being a top 2/3 bowler in the world, his record is padded.

I didn't look into it before because I always assumed he'd be averaging 20 odd against top teams...he isn't! not even bilateral king haha I mean look at that average v NZ and Pak...that's not world class.
 
He's 29 years old. How much time does he have at the top level?
4 years Max? He will play ipl, maybe 7 to 9 tests a year and select odi/t20 games.

He cramps if he has to play more than 2 tests in a row. He is a great test bowler but his action is always going to bother him.

Overrated in odi by a big margin.
 
He is a lethal bowler. No doubt. But still he is overated.
Lol you will eat your words once he’s won this World Cup and finished as the highest wicket taker.
World class bowler on his way to becoming a ATG

We Pakistani fans appreciate talent
 
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Lol you will eat your words once he’s won this World Cup and finished as the highest wicket taker.
World class bowler on his way to becoming a ATG

Will many ICC titles this thread should be deleted . We Pakistani fans appreciate talent

I think he has some fans in Pakistan right. I saw a video where a young Pak kid is imitating Bumrah's action.
 
He’s a tremendous bowler. He’s also a msssive failure in knockout matches, similar to Kohli though. Hard for me to say he’s the he’s because of that.
 
Hhe is a lethal bowler give Bumrah to Pakistan team and we will make SF, because Bumrah not only controls the Econ. gets early wicket and excellent in death overs
 
Hhe is a lethal bowler give Bumrah to Pakistan team and we will make SF, because Bumrah not only controls the Econ. gets early wicket and excellent in death overs
We will win the whole thing.

Bumrah
Shaheen
Naseem

Most deadly pace attack if all are fit and firing.
 
Honestly speaking, I used to think that Bumrah was a bit overrated.

However after his comeback from injury this year he has just took his bowling skills to another level.

But the most important question still arises that for how long he will remain fit and continue playing with this momentum?
 
He’s a world class bowler with all the skills you need to be successful which only makes it more surprising to me that he’s failed to deliver for the team when it matters most. Even during the New Zealand semi final this WC, he was spraying it around all over the place and giving up wides left and right.

Overall, amazing amazing bowler but he’s not taken enough wickets or won anything meaningful enough for his record to be considered in the highest tier of bowlers.
 
one of the best odi quick india have produced, record in important games, and against the best teams isnt great tho. great economy tho, which helps other bowlers pick up wickets too. not enough wickets in the format to compare against the legends.
 
I'd be more than happy if he manages to take 300 Test wickets, even if he doesn't take more than 50 ODI and t20 wickets more combined.
 
Terrific all format bowler.

Who all are better than this from this era?

Cummins in Tests and as overall package is probably better. Anderson due to longevity in Tests.

Starc in ODIs is better.

Rabada or Boult aren't better though. Neither is Shaheen.

To conclude, he is definitely the best all format bowler and top 3 test bowler of this generation. He just needs to keep doing it for 2-3 years more in Test cricket to be in reckoning for the top 10 fast bowlers ever.
 
Bumrah is a phenomenal bowler. Very economical at death overs. Can deliver nailing Yorkers on trot but unfortunately does not get as many wickets.
 
If anybody wants a bowler who can bowl well in all 3 formats then he is one of the few available choices. Injury prone yes. But overall terrific bowler.
 
One of the greatest bottler of all time. I have lost count how many times he has choked.
 
One of the greatest bottler of all time. I have lost count how many times he has choked.
Nah, the record for being the biggest bottler of all time belongs to waqar younis, with the crowning glory of his career being smacked by ajay jadeja in the biggest match oh his life. Bumrah has already won 2 test series in Australia, Pakistan has won a grand total of 0.
 
His bowl to Rizwan in the world cup is one of the best I have seen in last 10 years . Cunning change of pace with perfect deception that too in the middle overs. Completely broke the momentum.
 
Bumrah is better than Akhtar, Waqar and Imran. Only behind Wasim but not because he is less skilled but because Wasim had amazing longevity with the same level of skill.

Wasim and Bumrah are undoubtedly the two best fast bowlers in Asian cricket history.
 
Bumrah is better than Akhtar, Waqar and Imran. Only behind Wasim but not because he is less skilled but because Wasim had amazing longevity with the same level of skill.

Wasim and Bumrah are undoubtedly the two best fast bowlers in Asian cricket history.
That is correct and in line with my assessment as well. However in odi you could make a case for zak khan over akthar too given he helped india win crunch test matches and the world cup.
 
That is correct and in line with my assessment as well. However in odi you could make a case for zak khan over akthar too given he helped india win crunch test matches and the world cup.
Yes. Zaheer Khan was a terrific bowler who had no support whatsoever. He was like Alastair Cook - had 20+ different partners and none of them was able to support him and he was the one constant.

Prime Zaheer replacing Siraj in this Indian attack would make it legendary material. Bumrah, Shami and Zaheer bowling together is the stuff of dreams.
 
Yes. Zaheer Khan was a terrific bowler who had no support whatsoever. He was like Alastair Cook - had 20+ different partners and none of them was able to support him and he was the one constant.

Prime Zaheer replacing Siraj in this Indian attack would make it legendary material. Bumrah, Shami and Zaheer bowling together is the stuff of dreams.
Even in tests although I personally prefer shoaib over him in tests. In odi zaheer was better despite what the averages suggest.

I dont just judge based on averages otherwise overrated trundlers like Philander would be labelled as GOAT category bowlers.

Tbf shoaib had zero support in tests too barring the period where we had asif for a bit.

In odi he played with older versions of waqar and wasim.
 
Terrific all format bowler.

Who all are better than this from this era?

Cummins in Tests and as overall package is probably better. Anderson due to longevity in Tests.

Starc in ODIs is better.

Rabada or Boult aren't better though. Neither is Shaheen.

To conclude, he is definitely the best all format bowler and top 3 test bowler of this generation. He just needs to keep doing it for 2-3 years more in Test cricket to be in reckoning for the top 10 fast bowlers ever.
Cummins is not better in tests, its just that he played a lot more while Bumrah was injured for a long time

Cummins can't pick wickets in India, that's always gonna count against him
 
Overrated.

Wasn't even in the top 3 wicket takers of WC 2023, and has failed in every ICC finals he has played in.
In white ball cricket, you can’t look at wickets column without taking economy rate into consideration just like you can’t look at the runs column without taking the strike rate into consideration.

Bumrah had the best economy rate amongst all pacers in the World Cup. He is the most difficult to hit fast bowler in the world. The hardest to score runs off.

He is an incredible asset to India and miles better than any Pakistani pacer right now.
 
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Cummins is not better in tests, its just that he played a lot more while Bumrah was injured for a long time

Cummins can't pick wickets in India, that's always gonna count against him
Both are equal. Depends on conditions.

In Asia I would pick bumrah. Even on turning tracks I would say bumrah. On bouncy tracks they are equal. On swing friendly tracks I pick Cummins.

In saying that, Cummins has slightly better support in pace friendly conditions as India don't have the luxury of the 4th quick. They would have to play thakur in sena. Thakur although his average can be deceivingly good, he hasn't quite been the same bowler he was a few years ago.

I still believe green is a better bowler than what his average suggests in tests.

Also siraj has declined. Seems to be a weak link now. Maybe the new guy prasidh will develop..praisdh gets steepling bounce from what I have seen in odi.
 
In white ball cricket, you can’t look at wickets column without taking economy rate into consideration just like you can’t look at the runs column without taking the strike rate into consideration.

Bumrah had the best economy rate amongst all pacers in the World Cup. He is the most difficult to hit fast bowler in the world. The hardest to score runs off.

He is an incredible asset to India and miles better than any Pakistani pacer right now.

Regardless, Bumrah is an average bowler who has failed in every ICC final he has played in and his unorthodox action is his greatest asset, much like Murli, and we all know what your thoughts are on Murli.
 
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Regardless, Bumrah is an average bowler who has failed in every ICC final he has played in and his unorthodox action is his greatest asset, much like Murli, and we all know what your thoughts are on Murli.
If Bumrah is average than every bowler in Pakistan history except Wasim is also average. You must have extraordinary standards if you find Bumrah average.

Of course, we all know that your problem with Bumrah is not his bowling or his action but your problem is his nationality.

Put a green top on him and suddenly he becomes an elite fast bowler.

The difference between him and Murali is that Murali was a blatant chucker who should have been banned forever in 1995-1996 while Bumrah’s action is unorthodox but clean as a whistle.
 
Nah, the record for being the biggest bottler of all time belongs to waqar younis, with the crowning glory of his career being smacked by ajay jadeja in the biggest match oh his life. Bumrah has already won 2 test series in Australia, Pakistan has won a grand total of 0.
This thread is about Bumrah not about waqar you can discuss waqar on a thread related to him. Since this is about Bumrah let me remind you of his choking.

Failed to defend 378 against England to win India the series.
CT final
WC 19 semi final where he failed to pick up a wicket.
WC 23 final where he was out bowled by all the Australian fast bowlers bar Hazelwood and got spanked all over by Travis head.
Cost India the t20 semi against WI
Had a golden opportunity to win in SA last time around and failed in both games in the 4th.
Flopped at the test championship final.

These are just of top of my head. This guy is a mental midget of the highest order.
 
If Bumrah is average than every bowler in Pakistan history except Wasim is also average. You must have extraordinary standards if you find Bumrah average.

Of course, we all know that your problem with Bumrah is not his bowling or his action but your problem is his nationality.

Put a green top on him and suddenly he becomes an elite fast bowler.

The difference between him and Murali is that Murali was a blatant chucker who should have been banned forever in 1995-1996 while Bumrah’s action is unorthodox but clean as a whistle.
There you go again, comparing Bumrah exclusively with Pakistan bowlers.

This thread is not about Pakistan bowlers, it is about Bumrah, and Bumrah is average without his unorthodox action, and even with his unorthodox action, he has not won a single ICC final he has played in, though you think SR/AVG are more important than wickets.
 
Jasprit Bumrah always disappoints in knockout matches since is debut.

I cannot rank him as one of the greatest bowlers. However, I appreciate his ability to bowl pinpoint yorkers.
 
Jasprit Bumrah always disappoints in knockout matches since is debut.

I cannot rank him as one of the greatest bowlers. However, I appreciate his ability to bowl pinpoint yorkers.
He's a great bowler when there is not much pressure. Always choke when he needs to step up. Starc was awful the whole world cup but stepped up when it mattered the most.
 
There you go again, comparing Bumrah exclusively with Pakistan bowlers.

This thread is not about Pakistan bowlers, it is about Bumrah, and Bumrah is average without his unorthodox action, and even with his unorthodox action, he has not won a single ICC final he has played in, though you think SR/AVG are more important than wickets.
Beautiful.

That is some genius logic.

Bumrah is average without his unorthodox action. Kohli is average without his fitness and mentality. Viv Richards is average without his ability. Tendulkar is average without his sound technique. Shane Warne is average without his ability to spin the ball.

Every great player is “average” if you take away the quality that makes them special. Bumrah’s unorthodox action is part of who he is and to separate that and claim that he would be average without him is a load of crapola.
 
He's a great bowler when there is not much pressure. Always choke when he needs to step up. Starc was awful the whole world cup but stepped up when it mattered the most.
I know Australian players are our “Abbus” these days, but this is poor logic. You have to perform throughout the tournament because in case you don’t know, you have to play well and win matches to qualify for the knockouts.

If every Australian player had failed in the group like Starc, they wouldn’t have made the semifinals in the first place. The other players carried him into the knockouts and gave him an opportunity to make amends so he had an average tournament overall.

“stepping up when it matters most” means nothing in the context of a tournament.
 
I know Australian players are our “Abbus” these days, but this is poor logic. You have to perform throughout the tournament because in case you don’t know, you have to play well and win matches to qualify for the knockouts.

If every Australian player had failed in the group like Starc, they wouldn’t have made the semifinals in the first place. The other players carried him into the knockouts and gave him an opportunity to make amends so he had an average tournament overall.

“stepping up when it matters most” means nothing in the context of a tournament.
JP is on the same level as Wasim Akram
 
I know Australian players are our “Abbus” these days, but this is poor logic. You have to perform throughout the tournament because in case you don’t know, you have to play well and win matches to qualify for the knockouts.

If every Australian player had failed in the group like Starc, they wouldn’t have made the semifinals in the first place. The other players carried him into the knockouts and gave him an opportunity to make amends so he had an average tournament overall.

“stepping up when it matters most” means nothing in the context of a tournament.
Indians are you Abbus, so I would use that against posters. You can defend all you want the fact is Bumrah has choked numerous times not just once.

I know it's hard for you to digest an Indian being called a choker and mentally week, but this is a fact he flopped over and over.

The only reason it's poor logic is because it doesn't suit your narrative. I will happily take strac in a knockout match than Bumrah regardless of how many million wickets Bumrah takes during the tournament, because I know my chance are better with strac rather than a mental midget in Bumrah.
 
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This thread is about Bumrah not about waqar you can discuss waqar on a thread related to him. Since this is about Bumrah let me remind you of his choking.

Failed to defend 378 against England to win India the series.
CT final
WC 19 semi final where he failed to pick up a wicket.
WC 23 final where he was out bowled by all the Australian fast bowlers bar Hazelwood and got spanked all over by Travis head.
Cost India the t20 semi against WI
Had a golden opportunity to win in SA last time around and failed in both games in the 4th.
Flopped at the test championship final.

These are just of top of my head. This guy is a mental midget of the highest order.
Agree with the list but 2019 semis he bowled well as he was hard to hit and in 2023 finals he did well enough. It's shami and siraj who stunk in the final. However bumrah dint do good in the semis.
 
JP is on the same level as Wasim Akram
In terms of skill and ability, certainly, but Bumrah will end up 300 career wickets across formats while Wasim had 900+.

Wasim did for 15-16 years what Bumrah has done for 4-5. Longevity matters so it is difficult to rate Bumrah on par with Wasim.
 
In terms of skill and ability, certainly, but Bumrah will end up 300 career wickets across formats while Wasim had 900+.

Wasim did for 15-16 years what Bumrah has done for 4-5. Longevity matters so it is difficult to rate Bumrah on par with Wasim.
Agreed 💯 Purely on ability he's on par with Wasim.
 
Indians are you Abbus, so I would use that against posters. You can defend all you want the fact is Bumrah has choked numerous times not just once.

I know it's hard for you to digest an Indian being called a choker and mentally week, but this is a fact he flopped over and over.

The only reason it's poor logic is because it doesn't suit your narrative. I will happily take strac in a knockout match than Bumrah regardless of how many million wickets Bumrah takes during the tournament, because I know my chance are better with strac rather than a mental midget in Bumrah.
You can take whoever you want but again, “performed when it matters most” logic doesn’t apply in tournaments because you also need to perform in the group stage to make it to the knockouts.

Starc had a poor tournament and was one of Australia’s weakest players.

Starc performed in the semifinal and Final and De Kock didn’t, but De Kock had a 100x better World Cup than Starc because South Africa wouldn’t have made the knockouts without his 4 hundreds.
 
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