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Is Sajid Khan/Noman Ali the most lethal bowling pair for Pakistan after Wasim Akram/Waqar Younis?

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Pakistan cricket has been blessed with some incredible bowling pairs over the years. From the fiery pace of Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis to the spin wizardry of Saqlain Mushtaq and Mushtaq Ahmed, we’ve witnessed partnerships that could dismantle batting lineups. Recently, the spin duo of Sajid Khan and Noman Ali has emerged as a formidable pair in Test cricket. Their performances together have raised the question: Could they be the most lethal bowling pair for Pakistan since the legendary Wasim and Waqar?

While it’s premature to compare Sajid and Noman to the legends, their recent performances make a strong case. Could this duo dominate for years to come? Can they replicate their home success in overseas conditions? What are your thoughts?
 
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Plz stop this ,they just took some wickets on rank turners low calls wickets and hype machine is on . This " deadly pair" is not good enough to be selected in any of the overseas tour and being compared with Wasim/Waqar.
 
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33 wickets Rehman and Saeed Ajmal first 3 tests together. 1 in UAE, 2 other matches in Windies.
 
Nay. It is too soon to hype these 2 and compare them with a legendary pair of two W's. Noman and sajid will be tested overseas where they might go wicketless and zero impact like Noman was not given a chance in South Africa.

These 2 guys are making waves on rank turners so I will not hype these 2 guys too much atm.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
True. Saqlain + Mushtaq first 3 tests together 39 wickets. Mushtaq took 25 wickets. But it was over a period of 2 years.
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That was an high class pair, they performed all over the world, not just dried low class 10th day wickets.
 
No lol, their much better then our previous jokes like usama mir, nawaz, Shadab. But they aren't world beaters. Their basically just their to expose frauds like ashwin and jadeja
 
Unbelievable thread on two players who only take wickets on rank turners and otherwise would be decent to average as their domestic record shows.
 
RidiculousMan said:
Noman is pretty decent. He should've played in South Africa
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You take out his wickets on the last 3 insane spin tracks where even an unknown WI got wickets, his average would be 30. Which isn't bad. Isn't great just average. Even in the most generous of terms comparing these two to two ATGs is an insult
 
Noman ali moved up 2 places to a new career-high 9th place while Sajid Khan also climbed 18 spots to reach 23rd place in the latest ICC Test Bowling Rankings.
 
If we continue with Aqib ball -- they will be the most lethal combo at home
In SENA they will be below par

Sajid played a Test in Sydney in January 2024 with combined figs of:

37 overs - 122 runs - 3 wickets (econ 3.2 / ave 41)

Not terrible, just terribly average
 
Pakpak said:
You take out his wickets on the last 3 insane spin tracks where even an unknown WI got wickets, his average would be 30. Which isn't bad. Isn't great just average. Even in the most generous of terms comparing these two to two ATGs is an insult
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Noman has great record outside of Pakistan as well barring one Bangladesh tour. If you take that out and home matches. He averages less than 25. If you check his away average. It is less than 30.

Ravi Ashwin as away average greater than Noman's.

So if you want to account for stats then Noman has ATG stats
 
Pakpak said:
You take out his wickets on the last 3 insane spin tracks where even an unknown WI got wickets, his average would be 30. Which isn't bad. Isn't great just average. Even in the most generous of terms comparing these two to two ATGs is an insult
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Noman took a 7 fer in England. He's a solid bowler but he's too old.

As for sajid khan, tbh I don't believe he would be bad outside pakistan. Idkw he isn't being trusted. He can spin the ball and he is deadly accurate at pitching.

I view him as a superior version of imad wasim. A much much better spinner and a pretty solid batter. He has a 37 List A avergae and has been a solid no 8.
 
India should really dare to face Pakistan on any rank turner anywhere around the world with these two in side.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
India should really dare to face Pakistan on any rank turner anywhere around the world with these two in side.
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On turners like this literally any random spinner from India will wreak havoc. THey don't need Ashwin/Jadeja. Kuldeep will be near unplayable . You will see totals like 40 all out
 
Would be fun but if both boards or basically BCCI ever agreed to a match. Indian batters have been so poor against spin of late.
jnaveen1980 said:
On turners like this literally any random spinner from India will wreak havoc. THey don't need Ashwin/Jadeja. Kuldeep will be near unplayable . You will see totals like 40 all out
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The Bald Eagle said:
Would be fun but if both boards or basically BCCI ever agreed to a match. Indian batters have been so poor against spin of late.
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Even with that factor in mind India will be more handful on these extremely dry wickets. Unlike Indian wickets where you have dampness on day 1, here you get dry wicket from ball one. There are some no name domestic guys who can destroy teams on tracks like this. 27 year old Shams Mulani is a case in point. A spinning all rounder. Saurabh kumar another spinning all rounder. He can be quiet handful as well. There are a lot of up and coming plethora of left arm spinners from India who can be a nightmare on such tracks.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Even with that factor in mind India will be more handful on these extremely dry wickets. Unlike Indian wickets where you have dampness on day 1, here you get dry wicket from ball one. There are some no name domestic guys who can destroy teams on tracks like this. 27 year old Shams Mulani is a case in point. A spinning all rounder. Saurabh kumar another spinning all rounder. He can be quiet handful as well. There are a lot of up and coming plethora of left arm spinners from India who can be a nightmare on such tracks.
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Yep that is why such a Test arrangement would be a block buster.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Yep that is why such a Test arrangement would be a block buster.
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It will be. But Rohit sucks only against new ball. If you look at recently mostly he got out to Henry not spinners. Against spin he is still a monster. Rohit averages 45 at a strike rate of 61 against spin in Tests. He has hit 55 sixes against spin in Tests. He will destroy them if you open with spin agianst him.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
It will be. But Rohit sucks only against new ball. If you look at recently mostly he got out to Henry not spinners. Against spin he is still a monster. Rohit averages 45 at a strike rate of 61 against spin in Tests. He has hit 55 sixes against spin in Tests. He will destroy them if you open with spin agianst him.
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He can destroy only Shadab type ball floating spinners.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
It will be. But Rohit sucks only against new ball. If you look at recently mostly he got out to Henry not spinners. Against spin he is still a monster. Rohit averages 45 at a strike rate of 61 against spin in Tests. He has hit 55 sixes against spin in Tests. He will destroy them if you open with spin agianst him.
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He is a world-class player but he will also struggle against these two if the pitch would be as supporting as it was for the first test match between Pakistan and West Indies.
 
hassan918 said:
He is a world-class player but he will also struggle against these two if the pitch would be as supporting as it was for the first test match between Pakistan and West Indies.
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Ya if you have any variations other than turning the ball sharply you can trouble anyone. All these two do is just landing on the dry patch and get it grip. You can play on one side. Don't go by current washed up seniors. GUys like Jurel, Sai Sudarshan are exceptional spin players. But Pakistan will be having sub 100 totals with their batting against Kuldeep and co.
 
Impact wise yes - especially at home. I'm sure like other spinners they may struggle abroad. But at home they have been just beasts.
 
Pakistan should groom another spinner as Noman is now 38 years old.

Anyway, Sajid and Noman can easily play for 3-4 more years together. Spinners can play longer.
 
Sajid and Noman are good because the pitch is supporting them to a great deal. I don't think they will be that much effective in SENA.. Comparing them with 2 greats in no fair...
 
BouncerGuy said:
Sajid and Noman are good because the pitch is supporting them to a great deal. I don't think they will be that much effective in SENA.. Comparing them with 2 greats in no fair...
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I think they have to prove themselves in pakistan first without fan, heater, 10th day pitch. Given that they have been bowling all their lives they should take it as a challenge.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
I think they have to prove themselves in pakistan first without fan, heater, 10th day pitch. Given that they have been bowling all their lives they should take it as a challenge.
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There is nothing wrong to take home advantage, but yes they will be tested when there is very little to no soin offered by the pitch...
 
These 2 guys are unplayable at home on these rank-turners.. Sajid and Noman the deadly ones at home on these pitches...
 
BouncerGuy said:
Sajid and Noman are good because the pitch is supporting them to a great deal. I don't think they will be that much effective in SENA.. Comparing them with 2 greats in no fair...
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Their still equally effective at home as those 2. But yes wasim and waqar were doing it on flat pindi wickets and not curated ones. And their SENA records are night and day.

Sajid and noman won't reach their. Also spin vs pace lol, weird goofy comparison.
 
I think Amir-Asif duo was the best after Wasim-Waqar. It was a short stint however.
 
mominsaigol said:
Their still equally effective at home as those 2. But yes wasim and waqar were doing it on flat pindi wickets and not curated ones. And their SENA records are night and day.

Sajid and noman won't reach their. Also spin vs pace lol, weird goofy comparison.
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Yep. this comparison is not fair by any means. Sajid and Noman have a pitch to support them and they will struggle overseas.
 
Waqar still on top.

Noman Ali has the second-best SR for Pakistan at home in Tests.

Best bowling SR for Pakistan at home in Tests (30+ wickets)

38.7 - Waqar Younis
45.9 - Noman Ali
46.8 - Shoaib Akthar
47.0 - Imran Khan
48.0 - Umar Gul
 
Sajid and noman should come good in the 2nd inning. so far there has been a run fest. NOMI/sajid combo should find their feet asap
 
yes! but only on spin tracks i will consider them great once they will start taking wickets in non supportive conditions as well.
 
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Will this ever happen for Pakistan again or infact any other team, 2 bowlers with 900+ ODI wickets, stunning numbers
 
Kianig89 said:
More than reverse the staggering numbers in wicket column won't be achieved by anyone be it Cummins Bumrah or Rabada
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It's because of reverse. Without it it becomes hard for pacers to take wickets with the old ball.

Ask Wasim and Waqar and they'll tell you how important old ball was in their era
 
Yes I know, the 13 x 5fers by Waqar clearly indicating this
RidiculousMan said:
It's because of reverse. Without it it becomes hard for pacers to take wickets with the old ball.

Ask Wasim and Waqar and they'll tell you how important old ball was in their era
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Kianig89 said:
More than reverse the staggering numbers in wicket column won't be achieved by anyone be it Cummins Bumrah or Rabada
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That is why Shami is an ATG ODI bowler. Entire career happened in two new ball era. He has insane strike rate and average.
 
We should prepare underprepared green tracks like the ones we are producing for quaid trophy and president trophy and select the best bowlers and batters from these tournament and make them play test , I am pretty sure they will do just fine against any opposition and it’s actually a much better strategy then all out spin pitches.

Because international batters are not used to playing on underprepared green tracks where as our domestic batters are playing on them every day , pretty sure we will be invincible on these tracks.
 
If we select top batters like Shamyl , Shehzad , Maaz and Azan who averaged more than 50 on these underprepared pitches where pacers are averaging less than 10 with the ball then I am sure they will handle Starc and Rabada just as well , it’s just the extra bounce our batters can’t handle not the side ways movement.
 
RidiculousMan said:
It's because of reverse. Without it it becomes hard for pacers to take wickets with the old ball.

Ask Wasim and Waqar and they'll tell you how important old ball was in their era
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Broken logic.

Starc, Boult, Shaheen all have way higher wpm than both in Odis.
If they play enough matches, they will reach these numbers in far lesser matches.

Does reverse swing make you play more matches?

Any advantage that reverse may have had in odis is more than compensated and exceeded by higher risk game/lower defensive techniques of modern Odis.

The actual reason they won't reach these numbers is because too much cricket makes teams rotate key bowlers and play them selectively, hence fewer matches over a career.
 
Well guys as we all know noman ali age is not on his side but he is a spinner pakistan best test bowler if pakistan really want to make that spin fortress he should be playing 3 or 4 years with sajid these 2 can turn around pakistan test cricket.
 
There is no other spinner in sight. Nevertheless he wasnt exactly 20 last year so he is already playing above normal cricketers age so let him continue untill his fingers say no.
Wese b 5 test match khelty hain saal main. Also he is a handy no 8
 
Hyder said:
There is no other spinner in sight. Nevertheless he wasnt exactly 20 last year so he is already playing above normal cricketers age so let him continue untill his fingers say no.
Wese b 5 test match khelty hain saal main. Also he is a handy no 8
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Bro can you kindly share pakistan international tours this year what are the series pak are going to play
 
Play him, let him play every match in Pakistan for as long as he can . Resting him or rotating him at this stage of his career is like a 90 year old man giving up cigarettes so he can live longer. It ain;t gonna make a difference.
 
He has been the best spinner for Pakistan since Yasir Shah in Test format. So yes. He must play till he can physically.
 
Hyder said:
I dont have exact idea but ig we are inly scheduled tests against sa this year with series involving afg, west indies in between
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Pakistan has the easiest route to wtc 2027, but ik they won't reach it. Their home tours will be toss dependant and Aqib won't budge.

Secondly they won't beat England at home. England will whitewash them.

I'm a huge fan of Joe root and Steve Smith and know full well they can surpass sachin.

Smith has 2 easy stat pad tours coming up vs Bangladesh. If he butchers Bangladesh then he can basically be the 2nd batter since Tenda to avg 40 or > vs each country in each den + do it at a much better avg then Tendulkar.

Although Steve smith is > Sachin for me, since he only played 2 games on doctored pitches vs Bangladesh. But indian fans have used this as a metric so fair enough.

As for Joe root, its more of an uphill battle. He needs to improve his conversion rate + performances vs aus where he avg 35 in aus, and improve his avg as its barely hovering at 50.

But he's literally 10 games away from outright slapping these records.

These 2 can easily end their careers > Sachin as test batters.
 
mominsaigol said:
Pakistan has the easiest route to wtc 2027, but ik they won't reach it. Their home tours will be toss dependant and Aqib won't budge.

Secondly they won't beat England at home. England will whitewash them.

I'm a huge fan of Joe root and Steve Smith and know full well they can surpass sachin.

Smith has 2 easy stat pad tours coming up vs Bangladesh. If he butchers Bangladesh then he can basically be the 2nd batter since Tenda to avg 40 or > vs each country in each den + do it at a much better avg then Tendulkar.

Although Steve smith is > Sachin for me, since he only played 2 games on doctored pitches vs Bangladesh. But indian fans have used this as a metric so fair enough.

As for Joe root, its more of an uphill battle. He needs to improve his conversion rate + performances vs aus where he avg 35 in aus, and improve his avg as its barely hovering at 50.

But he's literally 10 games away from outright slapping these records.

These 2 can easily end their careers > Sachin as test batters.
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Our bowling was beyond rubbish. Use hasan, khurram,nauman ,sajid for this wtc.

Doctored pitches are our best shot at home because not gonna lie sajid and nauman ll outbowl most spinners and in saud agha we have good players of spin
 
Hyder said:
Our bowling was beyond rubbish. Use hasan, khurram,nauman ,sajid for this wtc.

Doctored pitches are our best shot at home because not gonna lie sajid and nauman ll outbowl most spinners and in saud agha we have good players of spin
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That's not entirely true. Its still toss dependant.

Warrican managed to outperform sajid in the 2nd innings. It was only for one session, and not the entire test but that session was enough for wi to claim victory.

Its because WI batted first so when Pakistan batted 2nd, the final session turned into a minefield.

You and I could have outperformed sajid and noman for that innings, thats how bad the pitch had gotten.

The best pitch Pakistan used was against England. It was difficult but it wasnt so bad that no one could perform. Since KG and Saud batted well and that pitch had only been doctored for the 3rd game.

The 2nd game was a natural pitch, however it was a 10 day pitch.

But even so, KG and Saud only did so against rubbish bowling, England sent a squad for phattas, they were caught off guard when the likes of saqib had to become their main bowler.

A team thats prepared would have beaten Pakistan if they batted first.

The ideal solution is to prepare a classic UAE pitch and let sajid and noman bowl, since those 2 would outperform most opposition spinners.

Otherwise even I could perform Shane Warne in the last session if those WI pitches are prepared. The final session is impossible for any batsmen.
 
They are decent bowlers but no way near as good as wasim and waqar bowling on a ramk turners makes even an ordinary bowler look world class
 
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