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[VIDEOS] Jammu and Kashmir pacer Umran Malik

Sidilicious said:
Umran’s response was very measured and mature.

And 4 Bowlers at the same pace? Who?

Ek ko toh last 2 series mein khila dete. We have been witnessing trundling of epic proportions in the last 5 tests. Could have spared us the borefest in the last 2 series.
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God knows who are these 4 bowlers capable of bowling 95 mph and not being selected to play. Massive disservice to Pakistan abd world cricket.
 
Umran in New Zealand ODIs was bowling at a different level to Arshdeep and Thakur. That alone should be a learning for the selectors as to what high pace can do if backed well.

India has a good system now and all you need is to back quality pacers and take care of their workload. Results will automatically start coming.

Is Kuldeep Sen injured? Otherwise, there is no reason to pick Mukesh Kumar and Shivam Mavi ahead of him for T20 squad vs SL. His line and length is actually more suited to T20s than ODIs.

T20s - Bumrah, Siraj, Arshdeep, Umran, Sen
ODIs - Bumrah, Siraj, Prasidh, Umran, Shami
Tests - Bumrah, Shami, Siraj, Prasidh, Umesh

This is the order in which India should back their pacers.
 
Although his pace has gone down from mid 150s to mid 140s he is still proving to be a good prospect for India's LOIs.
 
overhyped. He might be 150 on ipl speed gun but when he played England in England it was mostly 140 - 145.

Good pace but nothing special.

The true test is when you get 3 to 4 seasons of mileage in your legs and then being able to maintain those speeds.
 
Umran 155 kph..gets a match winning wicket of a well set Dasun Shanaka.
 
Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH said:
overhyped. He might be 150 on ipl speed gun but when he played England in England it was mostly 140 - 145.

Good pace but nothing special.

The true test is when you get 3 to 4 seasons of mileage in your legs and then being able to maintain those speeds.
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He was measured at 153 in NZ.

151 in Ireland

151 in BD

155 today

If bowling 95mph isnt special, what is?
 
Sidilicious said:
Umran’s response was very measured and mature.

And 4 Bowlers at the same pace? Who?

Ek ko toh last 2 series mein khila dete. We have been witnessing trundling of epic proportions in the last 5 tests. Could have spared us the borefest in the last 2 series.
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Not surprised you missed on the last two World Cups and how far ahead Pakistan pacers were in terms of speed. But yeah good on you for missing, seeing as how your team bombed twice at a major competition for the umpteenth time :yk

Pakistan pacers don’t lack speed, but brains and you need brains to set up international level batsmen in Test cricket.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Not surprised you missed on the last two World Cups and how far ahead Pakistan pacers were in terms of speed. But yeah good on you for missing, seeing as how your team bombed twice at a major competition for the umpteenth time :yk

Pakistan pacers don’t lack speed, but brains and you need brains to set up international level batsmen in Test cricket.
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How many times have Pakistan won a ICC tournament in last 10 years?

When was the last time Pakistan was in the knock outs of of the World Cup? And i dont mean the world T20 but the world cup?

How many times have Pakistan been ranked number 1 in tests?
 
cricketjoshila said:
How many times have Pakistan won a ICC tournament in last 10 years?

When was the last time Pakistan was in the knock outs of of the World Cup? And i dont mean the world T20 but the world cup?

How many times have Pakistan been ranked number 1 in tests?
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1 Same as India.

2015.

No 1 in Tests 2016. Unofficial no. 1 in spells in the 90s and 2005/06.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
1 Same as India.

2015.

No 1 in Tests 2016. Unofficial no. 1 in spells in the 90s and 2005/06.
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1 yes.

2.. Yes. So only twice since the turn of tye millennium. India has reached the semis or better in all WCs since 2000 except 2007.

3. Unofficially India were also ranked no.1 in early 70s. Officially India has been no.1 for many weeks. Pakistan was number 1 for how many weeks?

Its amusing when a few posters try to take shots at India because of two poor T20 WCs.
 
Very good find for India. I just hope he is taken care of well. Don't want him to be playing too many games. He surely has improved his accuracy from when he started first.
 
giri26 said:
Very good find for India. I just hope he is taken care of well. Don't want him to be playing too many games. He surely has improved his accuracy from when he started first.
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I have seen several experss bowlers over the years. For a newbie Umran is right up there in terms of accuracy. He has great control. He just needs to be used efficiently as an attacking option rather than an option to dry up runs.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
I have seen several experss bowlers over the years. For a newbie Umran is right up there in terms of accuracy. He has great control. He just needs to be used efficiently as an attacking option rather than an option to dry up runs.
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His workload needs to be managed as well. He is young and will want to play everything at the moment but again BCCI and team management need to be smart. It is not often does India get a bowler who can bowl 150+. I just hope he has a decent career.
 
Umran Malik's wicket-taking ball of Dasun Shanaka was clocked at 96.3mph/155kph.
 
Umran is raw and will continue to get better hopefully. You can teach nuances of bowling, but you can't teach pace. Important thing will be to keep him away from "bad" influences: coaches who will ask him to reduce his speed to get more control.
Almost want to have an exchange program where India can send batting coaches to Pakistan and Pakistan can provide some solid bowling coaches to India - will never happen, but hey.....
 
charlie007 said:
Umran is raw and will continue to get better hopefully. You can teach nuances of bowling, but you can't teach pace. Important thing will be to keep him away from "bad" influences: coaches who will ask him to reduce his speed to get more control.
Almost want to have an exchange program where India can send batting coaches to Pakistan and Pakistan can provide some solid bowling coaches to India - will never happen, but hey.....
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Bowling coaches from Pakistan? Who are we talking about? Why are they not able to mould even one bowler to last 5-10 years at the highest level since Shoaib Akthar? Right now Shaheen is their only hope, the rest are just white ball bowlers who can bowl 4 good overs.
 
giri26 said:
Bowling coaches from Pakistan? Who are we talking about? Why are they not able to mould even one bowler to last 5-10 years at the highest level since Shoaib Akthar? Right now Shaheen is their only hope, the rest are just white ball bowlers who can bowl 4 good overs.
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The last Pakistani bowler to take 200 test wicket was _______________?
 
Ab Fan said:
If you are referring to me, then you are wrong. I just wanted Siraj in that World Cup squad ahead of Umran.

However, if I remember well, you being one of the admirers of the trundlers factory was hell bent on defending Bhuvaneshwar Kumar who turned out to be India's worst pacer of the three in T20 World Cup recently - Arshdeep, Shami and Bhuvi. :91: :viru :inti
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There is no world where BK or Patel bros or even Arshdeep deserve to be in the team ahead of Umran.

He is the middle overs enforcer the team needs in white Ball cricket.
 
Certain ex players believe that the team management doesn't know how to handle Umran as he is the first of his kind for India.

They have issues settings a field as they are not so versed with what angles the ball may go due to such high speeds.

They also believe that Umran will be better in the longer formats when he gets older ball.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Not surprised you missed on the last two World Cups and how far ahead Pakistan pacers were in terms of speed. But yeah good on you for missing, seeing as how your team bombed twice at a major competition for the umpteenth time :yk

Pakistan pacers don’t lack speed, but brains and you need brains to set up international level batsmen in Test cricket.
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So why not mention 4 Pakistan current pacers who have bowled at 155K in international matches.
 
Saj said:
Umran Malik's wicket-taking ball of Dasun Shanaka was clocked at 96.3mph/155kph.
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He broke the white ball record for India with that ball

His fast ball feat saw him eclipse Jasprit Bumrah's record for clocking the highest speed among Indian pacers.

Bumrah's highest speed recorded so far stands at 153.36 kph. He is followed by Mohammed Shami (153.3 kph) and Navdeep Saini (152.85 kph).
 
jnaveen1980 said:
He broke the white ball record for India with that ball

His fast ball feat saw him eclipse Jasprit Bumrah's record for clocking the highest speed among Indian pacers.

Bumrah's highest speed recorded so far stands at 153.36 kph. He is followed by Mohammed Shami (153.3 kph) and Navdeep Saini (152.85 kph).
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I think it was Javagal Srinath who has clocked the highest speed of 154.5 in 1995. That is surpassed by Umran Malik.
 
Ab Fan said:
I think it was Javagal Srinath who has clocked the highest speed of 154.5 in 1995. That is surpassed by Umran Malik.
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Was that in whiteball? was that officially recorded? Every news outlet says he beat Bumrah's record.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Was that in whiteball? was that officially recorded? Every news outlet says he beat Bumrah's record.
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In tests, it is 154.5 by Srinath and I saw it in numerous outlet. Somehow not able to find anyone now.
 
giri26 said:
Bowling coaches from Pakistan? Who are we talking about? Why are they not able to mould even one bowler to last 5-10 years at the highest level since Shoaib Akthar? Right now Shaheen is their only hope, the rest are just white ball bowlers who can bowl 4 good overs.
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It's not about longevity for which the Pakistani coaches will be useful, it's about losing the mindset of reducing speed down to bring control in. Imagine a Waqar or a Wasim teaching Umran or Prasidh Krishna how to bowl well with pace and still have all those variations. It never hurts to learn new tricks, especially from the best.
Maybe have those coaches at a lower level than Tests where they can hone their skills.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
1 Same as India.

2015.

No 1 in Tests 2016. Unofficial no. 1 in spells in the 90s and 2005/06.
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Wrong, in 2015 Pak lost to Aus in QFs and Indai lost to Aus in SFs. The last tiem Pakistan played semis of WC was in 2011 and 1999 before that.
 
so the wider Kashmir region now has international standards fast bowlers in both India (Umran Malik) and England (Saqib Mahmood) while some are making their mark in Pakistan's domestic scene as well and might get a debut soon (Zaman Khan/Salman Irshad were both some of the stars of the last PSL edition).
 
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I said many times.
He doesn't know variations; he is only good at bowling high speed gun barrel straight.

He is just mediocre and very ordinary T20 bowler.
 
One thing I admire about Umran is that he doesn't chucks.

Also have to give credit to the Indian coaching management for handling him well. If he was a Pakistani I'm sure by now our management would have played him every single game, non-stop in all the formats and he would be out of the team rehabilitating.

He is gradually gaining international experience and I'm sure very soon the Indians will unleash him against top teams, in crucial games and important tournaments. To preserve his pace and fitness you need to play him in just a few games of a series. That can also be a surprise factor to the opposition.
 
Cover Drive Six said:
He is leaking runs even on good pitches.
Everyone thrashing him in IPL too.
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What good pitches? This is a flat deck.

If indian batters couldn't plan properly it doesn't make the pitch better.

Umran bowled far better than any pacer bar Ranjitha.
 
shamaan said:
He's way better mavi but he needs to learn how to bowl the slower ball.
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India has enough knuckle ball bowlers. Genuine quicks will go for runs as bastmen can use their pace. He should just bowl fast. He was a bit unlucky today
 
jnaveen1980 said:
India has enough knuckle ball bowlers. Genuine quicks will go for runs as bastmen can use their pace. He should just bowl fast. He was a bit unlucky today
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Am not fussed if he goes for runs as his job is to bowl fast but however if he can had a slower ball it will make him more better.
 
This is the reason India never have fast bowlers. Fans start jumping up and down as soon as a genuine quick goes for runs in one game. Indian fans need to get it in their minds that genuine pace means they will go for runs from time to time. Umran goes for wickets with his pace and he got 3 of them today as well. That's all matters. Questions should be raised about other bowlers who hardly touch 135 and still went for 13-14 runs an over. Also disappointed that Hardik did not complete his 4 overs. Unless he is not fully fit he should try to bowl 4 overs if other bowlers are getting hit. Hardik bowls well and is hard to hit at most times and he picks up wickets are the latter half as well. he could have taken out couple of Mavi overs. Mavi and Arshdeep together should only have bowled 4 overs last night.
 
giri26 said:
This is the reason India never have fast bowlers. Fans start jumping up and down as soon as a genuine quick goes for runs in one game. Indian fans need to get it in their minds that genuine pace means they will go for runs from time to time. Umran goes for wickets with his pace and he got 3 of them today as well. That's all matters. Questions should be raised about other bowlers who hardly touch 135 and still went for 13-14 runs an over. Also disappointed that Hardik did not complete his 4 overs. Unless he is not fully fit he should try to bowl 4 overs if other bowlers are getting hit. Hardik bowls well and is hard to hit at most times and he picks up wickets are the latter half as well. he could have taken out couple of Mavi overs. Mavi and Arshdeep together should only have bowled 4 overs last night.
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I'm glad Hardik didn't hide his pacers yesterday. Scenes like that make a bowler. No one stood out but someone could have shown their point of different/X factor.
 
JattMaula said:
I'm glad Hardik didn't hide his pacers yesterday. Scenes like that make a bowler. No one stood out but someone could have shown their point of different/X factor.
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Arshdeep is usually bankable upfront in swinging conditions. Rare off day.
 
Umran should play in ODIs and T20s both but I won't play him all games. When Bumrah and Siraj are back, I will have Umran in the squad but not necessarily play him every game. The breaks will help him develop more while he maintains the 150kph pace that he is bringing.

T20s - Bumrah, Siraj, Arshdeep, Umran
ODIs - Bumrah, Siraj, Shami, Umran, Prasidh( he was doing well in ODIs but seems his injury hasn't been healed yet)

With these bowlers, India can rotate well.
 
Most of the indian fans show immaturity when it comes to real fast bowling especially some. Ofcourse these bowlers will concede runs too but they can run through batting lineups and change the match in favour of their team in 1 over. Those who have seen guys like Brett Lee, Shane Bond and Shoaib Akhtar bowl live will understand it properly. Supporters of bowlers like Harshal Patel can never understand what real fast bowling is. Not going to hype Umran because that is not my forte but he will add a lot of variety into this attack.

Bumran(Bumrah + Umran), Arshdeep(left arm), Siraj/Shami is a pretty good attack. :inti
 
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Posters changing like chameleon changes his colour. 2 days back Umran was a scatter gun, today are claiming they were supportive Umran.
 
Fans want bowlers who can bowl fast, take wickets and economical as well all at the same time. Maybe in EA cricket they could find those.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Posters changing like chameleon changes his colour. 2 days back Umran was a scatter gun, today are claiming they were supportive Umran.
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Have to agree with you here. You and to some extent me also wanted him in the team for the T20WC. He left all the fans who were calling him a fast car without brakes in the dust. Now to save their face, they have to forcefully support him. :ab :inti
 
Still a genuine wicket taker unlike certain posters who were hell bent on defending Bhuvi Kumar in T20s.

I was one of them who was backing Siraj and to some extent Umran. Siraj is one of the best all format bowler going in the world although I am afraid that he might have just find one hater on this forum for himself :viru :inti
 
Ab Fan said:
Still a genuine wicket taker unlike certain posters who were hell bent on defending Bhuvi Kumar in T20s.

I on other hand was one of <B>those</B> who was backing Siraj and to some extent Umran. Siraj is one of the best all format bowler going in the world although I am afraid that he might have just find one hater on this forum for himself :viru :inti
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Corrected
 
Ab Fan said:
It will be only two of the three. Chahar and Bhuvi are similar bowlers but Chahar is a decent hitter also. One is replacement for other.

Harshal has done a good job too. The rest like Shami, Prasidh, Siraj, Avesh are not very reliable in T20 format and neither would Umran Malik be. That bowling attack doesn't look good but they do their job so have to persist with them.

Tests and ODIs, we have our boxes ticked.
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Ab Fan said:
A lot of bits and pieces one dimensional bowlers have made a career at highest level for India because of T20 format. It is the lowest format for this very reason.

Bumrah, Shami Siraj and Prasidh should be our pacers, not Harshal or Umran Malik.
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Ab Fan said:
Still a genuine wicket taker unlike certain posters who were hell bent on defending Bhuvi Kumar in T20s.

I was one of them who was backing Siraj and to some extent Umran. Siraj is one of the best all format bowler going in the world although I am afraid that he might have just find one hater on this forum for himself :viru :inti
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Are you sure you were backing Umran?
'Best car without brakes..'
'An accident waiting to happen.'
:inti
 
That was before World T20. Siraj would have made the difference in World T20, not Umran.

For ODIs, Umran can be the third pacer and a middle order enforcer although he is untested vs teams who have batters who play pace well.
 
Bowled one ball at 156kph thats 97mph.

That’s right up there with fastest in the world today.
 
He needs to be managed properly, his action is not very smooth and injury prone. Too much focus on his every delivery to be in 150s or 140s.
 
Plumb said:
He needs to be managed properly, his action is not very smooth and injury prone. Too much focus on his every delivery to be in 150s or 140s.
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Anyone bowling that kind of speeds will have injuries. But his action is very good as per most commentators.
 
It's ironic that Haris Rauf was called a street bowler by a certain genius poster on this forum. Because when I see Umran, I see a street bowler. All pace, very little control or direction and a beyond ugly action. He has all the makings of another injury-prone Indian pacer.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
It's ironic that Haris Rauf was called a street bowler by a certain genius poster on this forum. Because when I see Umran, I see a street bowler. All pace, very little control or direction and a beyond ugly action. He has all the makings of another injury-prone Indian pacer.
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Just because you say that he has little control doesn't mean the experts agree to it. Every one says he has good/decent control and a strong repeatable smooth action.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
It's ironic that Haris Rauf was called a street bowler by a certain genius poster on this forum. Because when I see Umran, I see a street bowler. All pace, very little control or direction and a beyond ugly action. He has all the makings of another injury-prone Indian pacer.
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very little control? That is not t rue
 
Fastest ball by an Indian in ODIs - Umran Malik 156 kph

Fastest ball by an Indian in T20Is - Umran Malik 155 kph

Fastest ball by an Indian in IPL - Umran Malik 157 kph
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
It's ironic that Haris Rauf was called a street bowler by a certain genius poster on this forum. Because when I see Umran, I see a street bowler. All pace, very little control or direction and a beyond ugly action. He has all the makings of another injury-prone Indian pacer.
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It could be a lot worse, imagine how horrible he would be if he had Mohammad Hasnain's action...
 
Count down has begun for our young lad Umran to hit the 160 kmph..

Haven't been this excited about an Indian fast bowler in decades.
 
Saj said:
Fastest ball by an Indian in ODIs - Umran Malik 156 kph

Fastest ball by an Indian in T20Is - Umran Malik 155 kph

Fastest ball by an Indian in IPL - Umran Malik 157 kph
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Seems some confusion

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Introduced right after the powerplay, Umran delivered that record ball in the fourth delivery of his second over, which was the 14th over of Sri Lanka's chase. The Hindi broadcast did not show anything on the speed gun, visible at the bottom of the screen when Umran bowled the fourth ball of the over but moments later, it showed the speeds of each delivery of that over, which marked the fourth ball to be 156 kph. It was fuller in length and around off as Sri Lanka batter Charith Asalanka punched it through the covers for two singles.

In the English broadcast, however, the same delivery was clocked at 145.7 kph.

This created major confusion and raised doubts over the actual speed of the delivery bowled by Umran. If it was indeed 156 kph then Umran now owns the record for the fastest delivery by an Indian in T20Is, ODIs and in the IPL as well. His fastest delivery in T20Is is of 155kmph, which he recorded six nights back against Sri Lanka. However, his fastest delivery was in the IPL, when he touched 157kph in a match against Mumbai Indians.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...erent-speeds-watch-video-101673363489760.html
 
I personally see nothing special in him except the ability to clock 150+. Only way I can see him being lethal is with an old reversing ball, but I doubt he will get that in shorter formats.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
It's ironic that Haris Rauf was called a street bowler by a certain genius poster on this forum. Because when I see Umran, I see a street bowler. All pace, very little control or direction and a beyond ugly action. He has all the makings of another injury-prone Indian pacer.
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Beyond ugly action? It’s literally Waqar’s action, frame by frame. Waqar’s action is iconic. You’re insulting our own legend by saying this.

If minor details were here and there from a geopolitical standpoint he’d be donning the green jersey right now and be hyped to the moon by our own.
 
Suleiman said:
Beyond ugly action? It’s literally Waqar’s action, frame by frame. Waqar’s action is iconic. You’re insulting our own legend by saying this.

If minor details were here and there from a geopolitical standpoint he’d be donning the green jersey right now and be hyped to the moon by our own.
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No its not. Waqar had a smooth release and follow-through. His release is completely different and his follow-through and weight transfer is more towards the left side.

If he was a Pakistani he would probably even be behind Mohammad Hasnain in the pecking order and struggle to make it to any playing eleven. Because simply put he's a spray gun who gets hammered more often than not.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Just because you say that he has little control doesn't mean the experts agree to it. Every one says he has good/decent control and a strong repeatable smooth action.
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Just because the "experts" say he has little control doesn't mean I agree to it. I say that he has little/no control and an ugly action.
 
MenInG said:
Seems some confusion

==

Introduced right after the powerplay, Umran delivered that record ball in the fourth delivery of his second over, which was the 14th over of Sri Lanka's chase. The Hindi broadcast did not show anything on the speed gun, visible at the bottom of the screen when Umran bowled the fourth ball of the over but moments later, it showed the speeds of each delivery of that over, which marked the fourth ball to be 156 kph. It was fuller in length and around off as Sri Lanka batter Charith Asalanka punched it through the covers for two singles.

In the English broadcast, however, the same delivery was clocked at 145.7 kph.

This created major confusion and raised doubts over the actual speed of the delivery bowled by Umran. If it was indeed 156 kph then Umran now owns the record for the fastest delivery by an Indian in T20Is, ODIs and in the IPL as well. His fastest delivery in T20Is is of 155kmph, which he recorded six nights back against Sri Lanka. However, his fastest delivery was in the IPL, when he touched 157kph in a match against Mumbai Indians.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...erent-speeds-watch-video-101673363489760.html
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How is there a 10 kph difference between broadcasters?
 
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