[VIDEOS] Mohammad Rizwan the batsman

[Junaids]

More pain for Sarfraz supporters. There is no way back for their messiah now.

Rizwan is a gem of a player for our pathetic standards. Top class keeper and a decent, serviceable batsman.

He will be the undisputed first-choice WK across all three formats for many years to come.

He seems to be one of the very few Pakistani players who is not an age-fudger, or perhaps not to a significant extent.

He should be able to maintain this level for 5-6 years provided that he continues to work hard on his fitness.

I agree with your points but not your conclusion.

I think that Mohammad Rizwan is the best wicketkeeper-batsman in the world, similar to what Watling was 2-3 years ago.

But he is also the only other world class Pakistan batsman apart from Babar Azam, and Rohail Nazir is a perfectly decent alternative as a batsman-wicketkeeper.

I think Rizwan is more useful to Pakistan as a Top Five batsman than as a keeper.

This isn't a case of "don't weaken a strength to strengthen a weakness". It's a case of "look at the batting alternatives, he's more needed as a batsman than he is as a keeper."

 

[J-Essence]

Agreed mentally a very tough player. Plays better with more responsibility as a captain. He gives it all he has got to the team.

 

[Mamoon]

I agree with your points but not your conclusion.

I think that Mohammad Rizwan is the best wicketkeeper-batsman in the world, similar to what Watling was 2-3 years ago.

But he is also the only other world class Pakistan batsman apart from Babar Azam, and Rohail Nazir is a perfectly decent alternative as a batsman-wicketkeeper.

I think Rizwan is more useful to Pakistan as a Top Five batsman than as a keeper.

This isn't a case of "don't weaken a strength to strengthen a weakness". It's a case of "look at the batting alternatives, he's more needed as a batsman than he is as a keeper."

The problem is that neither Rizwan nor Rohail are good enough batsmen to strengthen the team sufficiently enough to compensate for Rizwan’s absence behind the stumps.

Rizwan will never be a world class batsman. Rohail will never be a world class batsman. At the moment Rohail is not a world class keeper, he is barely international class. On the other hand, Rizwan is a world class keeper.

Unless Rohail develops into a world class keeper himself, he shouldn’t replace Rizwan behind the stumps.

 

[Mamoon]

I think Pakistan should play Rizwan as a specialist batsman in all formats and perhaps draft in Rohail Nazir?

Rohail is an average keeper and his batting is not good enough for Pakistan to benefit from replacing Rizwan behind the stumps.

Unless Rohail develops into a world class keeper, this little exercise will not produce a net positive result for Pakistan.

 

[Mamoon]

Dude he is world class for any test team just like Babar Azam

I won’t go that far. QdK is the best wicket-keeper batsman in Test cricket and only a shade below Gilchrist.

Rishabh Pant will be a monstrous player in a few years. He will be QdK level by 2024-25.

Seifert will replace BJW soon and establish himself as an excellent WK batsman in Test cricket as well.

Jos Buttler is as talented as de Villiers, and he will score a lot of Test runs in the next few years.

Pooran hasn’t played much FC cricket, but he can easily be a very successful batsman in Test cricket as well. He is outrageously talented. WI will probably draft him into the Test side in the future. It seems inevitable to me.

Apart from QdK, all of these keepers are inferior to Rizwan when it comes to glove work, but they are all much more capable with the bat.

However, Rizwan needs more respect from Pakistani fans. Considering the state of Pakistan cricket and where it is heading, it is nothing short of a miracle to have a cricketer who is probably the best in the world at what he does, i.e. keeping.

 

[GudduBadmash]

The problem is that neither Rizwan nor Rohail are good enough batsmen to strengthen the team sufficiently enough to compensate for Rizwan’s absence behind the stumps.

Rizwan will never be a world class batsman. Rohail will never be a world class batsman. At the moment Rohail is not a world class keeper, he is barely international class. On the other hand, Rizwan is a world class keeper.

Unless Rohail develops into a world class keeper himself, he shouldn’t replace Rizwan behind the stumps.

Lol not a good enough batsman. Alright then man's literally got fighting fifties in England, Australia and New Zealand so far when everyone else around him fell like dominos

 

[GudduBadmash]

It's his misfortune he is a wicket keeper otherwise he would be perfect for the top order.

 

[Mamoon]

Lol not a good enough batsman. Alright then man's literally got fighting fifties in England, Australia and New Zealand so far when everyone else around him fell like dominos

Rizwan’s celing as a batsman is around an average of 35-39, which is basically Shafiq territory. He doesn’t add anything special to the team without the gloves.

 

[DandyFellow]

Rizwan’s celing as a batsman is around an average of 35-39, which is basically Shafiq territory. He doesn’t add anything special to the team without the gloves.

I personally think his ceiling is 40-45 but that would happen if he further improves his game making the 50s into 100s. But right now the way he is playing I agree that he will average in the late 30s which is still above average for Pakistan's standards.

 

[Markhor]

Rizwan has the potential to be our best keeper batsman in Tests - even if he averages late 30s he's done better than likes of Sarfraz and Kamran.

Crucially, he allows us to balance the team with an AR whereas Sarfraz's batting became so weak you couldn't afford not to play six specialist batsmen !

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Rizwan’s celing as a batsman is around an average of 35-39, which is basically Shafiq territory. He doesn’t add anything special to the team without the gloves.

Shafiq?
You are comparing an tough, nuggety, strong willed cricketer to a guy who was an impactless batsman with zero presence and character.

Their mentalities are totally different and so is their batting.
Shafiq would rather prefer to hide in his duvet than play like Rizwan has over the last year.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Good player, have always rated him. He's not the biggest hitter, but he can bat properly and through the line. Glad to see him finally cementing his place ahead of Sarfraz whose time has gone.

 

[shamaan]

His place in the test team was never in doubt he should be averaging close to 40 in tests

 

[shamaan]

Rizwan’s celing as a batsman is around an average of 35-39, which is basically Shafiq territory. He doesn’t add anything special to the team without the gloves.

whats the ceiling of the rest of the wicket keeping bateman you have mentioned ?

 

[Mamoon]

Shafiq?
You are comparing an tough, nuggety, strong willed cricketer to a guy who was an impactless batsman with zero presence and character.

Their mentalities are totally different and so is their batting.
Shafiq would rather prefer to hide in his duvet than play like Rizwan has over the last year.

They are different players but Rizwan’s capacity is in that average range.

Rizwan is a gritty player who will score tough runs but will often fail to cash in on easy runs. He is the type of batsman who will score a tough half-century or century when the team is struggling but get out for a low score when the team is cruising. He is similar to BJ Watling.

To average 45+, you have to be able to score both tough and soft runs.

 

[Mamoon]

whats the ceiling of the rest of the wicket keeping bateman you have mentioned ?

They are all capable of averaging around 45. Buttler is a 50+ average batsman, but it is too late for him to get his career average to that level. However, he should be able to sustain an average of 50+ over the next 3-4 years.

 

[Slog]

Rohail is an average keeper and his batting is not good enough for Pakistan to benefit from replacing Rizwan behind the stumps.

Unless Rohail develops into a world class keeper, this little exercise will not produce a net positive result for Pakistan.

Rohail will be a world class keeper till he plays his first 5-6 games for Pakistan.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Rohail will be a world class keeper till he plays his first 5-6 games for Pakistan.

Who called Rohail a world class keeper? He’s decent. No Pakistani thinks anything more than that. He is, however, someone who is putting in performances at the age group level with the bat (not with the gloves) and that’s good to see as far as bench strength goes.

 

[Slog]

Who called Rohail a world class keeper? He’s decent. No Pakistani thinks anything more than that. He is, however, someone who is putting in performances at the age group level with the bat (not with the gloves) and that’s good to see as far as bench strength goes.

Our resident bongi expert [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION].

He also said Rohail is twice the keeper Pant is and 25% better batsman than Pant already.

 

[Finisher]

Rizwan reminds me of Mark Boucher

 

[Bewal Express]

Riz has surprised me with how good he has become. His last battle is to stay balanced at the crease, his head sometimes gets outside the line of the ball and he falls over when its bowled straight at him. IA he stays motivated and works hard.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Rizwan's Test 50s:<br><br>60 v NZ in NZ (came in with score on 75/4)<br>71 v NZ in NZ (came in with score on 52/5)<br>53 v Eng in Eng (came in with score at 75/5)<br>72 v Eng in Eng (came in with score at 120/5)<br>95 v Aus in Aus (came in with score at 94/5)<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/cd9JhSOh3M">pic.twitter.com/cd9JhSOh3M</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1344239911126368257?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 30, 2020</a></blockquote>
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[ChennaiFan]

In Rizwan, Pakistan has found a solid lower middle order bat. And he is a very good WK as well. Hope he goes on to play a lot of games for the national team.

 

[Mobashir]

They are all capable of averaging around 45. Buttler is a 50+ average batsman, but it is too late for him to get his career average to that level. However, he should be able to sustain an average of 50+ over the next 3-4 years.

Yes for strange reasons he is relatively a failure nearly 5/6 years overs 47 tests.
You can tell stories about why he was so unfortunate and how for x, y and z reasons he couldn't be a good player over such a long period.

And to top it all, you will believe the nonsense you will write.

QdK is the superior player, no doubt about it. Rizwan may also become a failure, but for the moment he is showing way better signs than the Buttler, Pants and Pyjamas.

Pooran, who is yet to debut is an exceptional talent, as he has shown in LOI so let's wait and see what he will do.

Averages alone don't make a player. Rizwan, for the moment has played many crucial innings. It's just like Ben Stokes will never average 45/50 but his 37/38 average values more than many players who averages in the 40's.

Rizwan continuing in this form will make him a clear number 2 as wk batsman in the world in test cricket.

 

[The Viper]

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[shamaan]

Very good series for him as a wicket keeper batsman long may it continue

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Azhar Ali’s scores of 93 and 37 in the 2nd Test against New Zealand have helped him advance 7 places to 18th position and Mohammad Rizwan’s first-innings half-century has helped him gain 10 places to reach 37th position in the latest ICC Test batting rankings <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1348908034626641920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 12, 2021</a></blockquote>
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[MenInG]

Rizwan hard at work before 1st Test

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[MenInG]

Tame dismissal today for Rizwan

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[MenInG]

Started off slowly but given his wicket away.

 

[deems]

Don't get the logic behind his defensive tactics against spinners. Almost as if he played the spinners out to get out to the new ball.

 

[MenInG]

 

[Savak]

Sarfaraz must be kicking himself for being so complacent since the CT win in 2017, he is now facing the reality that his Pakistan days are more or less numbered now. From the captain of Pakistan to an ex player.

 

[last_knight]

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ZERO in last coulmn is frustrating. Needs to score couple of tons this year.

 

[uberkoen]

ZERO in last coulmn is frustrating. Needs to score couple of tons this year.

First one coming up after lunch!

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Rizwan’s celing as a batsman is around an average of 35-39, which is basically Shafiq territory. He doesn’t add anything special to the team without the gloves.

They are different players but Rizwan’s capacity is in that average range.

Rizwan is a gritty player who will score tough runs but will often fail to cash in on easy runs. He is the type of batsman who will score a tough half-century or century when the team is struggling but get out for a low score when the team is cruising. He is similar to BJ Watling.

To average 45+, you have to be able to score both tough and soft runs.

In short you can say that, regardless of Rizwans avg I will not give him any credit because he plays for Pakistan..

Lol soft runs and tough runs.. You bring the soft runs category to blame his tough runs scored at crucial situations...

 

[ask_analyse_act]

I won’t go that far. QdK is the best wicket-keeper batsman in Test cricket and only a shade below Gilchrist.

Rishabh Pant will be a monstrous player in a few years. He will be QdK level by 2024-25.

Seifert will replace BJW soon and establish himself as an excellent WK batsman in Test cricket as well.

Jos Buttler is as talented as de Villiers, and he will score a lot of Test runs in the next few years.

Pooran hasn’t played much FC cricket, but he can easily be a very successful batsman in Test cricket as well. He is outrageously talented. WI will probably draft him into the Test side in the future. It seems inevitable to me.

Apart from QdK, all of these keepers are inferior to Rizwan when it comes to glove work

Your comparisons are pathetic. Nothing short of a verbal diarrhoea.

Starting with QDK the best keeper batsman in the world of test cricket.

They are all capable of averaging around 45. Buttler is a 50+ average batsman, but it is too late for him to get his career average to that level. However, he should be able to sustain an average of 50+ over the next 3-4 years.

Buttler is as talented as De Villiers.. . `Be serious , his LOI kind of batting doesnt work at all anywhere in the world of test cricket..... His career avg is 35 + FC avg is less than 35. He has scored just 7 centuries out of 114 FC matches.. In addition to that his SR in test cricket is also 56 not like sehwags 80+


Pooran will be a very successful batsman in test cricket, outrageously talented... who has never played a FC cricket lol... Let him face the WI music in FC cricket and prove it there first

Pant will be QDK level by 2024-25 lol, Achieving what QDK has done in his test career is not even a milestone.

QDK, BUTTLER, BAIRSTOW all these three have played more than 50 tests so far in their career and still couldnt avg close to 40 to the least.

In summary as you said Rizwans glove work is superior to all of your comparisons, then he is the best in the business because his batting is also superior to all of the others in comparison..

 

[Mobashir]

Deserves his hundred here. Hopefully he gets it.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Nice hundred under somewhat pressure.

 

[last_knight]

First one coming up after lunch!

You were right.
Table looks much better now after getting rid of ZERO from last coulmn.

 

[MHN1293]

Congratulations to Muhammad Rizwan on his first Test 100

Came in at 63-4 rescued the team from 75-5. Batted with tailenders for most of the match but still managed to produce a memorable knock. First of many to come. I dont mean to jinx him but i beleive we have found a good ,gritty 42 averaging wicket keeper batsmen who is as good as saha in keeping and as resilent as watling in pressure situations. Not to mention he can also counter attack like pant on his days as showed in nz.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brilliant innings by Mohammad Rizwan. His first Test century and he also becomes the first Pakistani wicket-keeper to score a Test hundred against South Africa <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvSA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvSA</a> <a href="https://t.co/ZLyZzS1jVo">pic.twitter.com/ZLyZzS1jVo</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1358331651215020033?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 7, 2021</a></blockquote>
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[hitthestump]

Pakistan have found their next captain. Only a matter of time before Babar "Asad Shafiq" Azam crumbles as captain and here we have our ready made replacement. Rizwan clearly has the talent, ability and guts required for the role.

 

[bilawal666]

Brilliant innings. Rizwan is here to stay.

 

[Saj]

The first of many 100s I reckon.

This guy is a fighter, exactly the sort of player Pakistan needs.

 

[MenInG]

Brilliance!

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[Officer Barbrady]

Always been a supporter of this wonderful cricketer. Excellent knock today.

Really should have been playing test cricket consistently since 2016 but o well, we got it right eventually

 

[Ab Fan]

Rizwan is very similar to Watling. Very good batsman and excellent behind gloves too.

Pant is a sensational bat but his keeping needs a lot of work.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Rizwan's hundred is the first Test century by a Pakistani wicket-keeper since Sarfaraz Ahmed's 112 in November 2014 against New Zealand in Dubai <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvSA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvSA</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/i1H5X3H4qK">pic.twitter.com/i1H5X3H4qK</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1358337927571529732?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 7, 2021</a></blockquote>
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[gazza619]

I just wonder where Pakistan cricket would have stood today if Rizwan was persisted with after scoring those 2 ODI hundreds against Australia a few years back.

I appreciate back then Sarfaraz was the first choice but it was no rocket science to have kept Rizwan in the side as a batsman at the time.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I just wonder where Pakistan cricket would have stood today if Rizwan was persisted with after scoring those 2 ODI hundreds against Australia a few years back.

I appreciate back then Sarfaraz was the first choice but it was no rocket science to have kept Rizwan in the side as a batsman at the time.

He was clearly a more technically accomplished batsman, I think Sarfaraz's ability to hit a few quickfire mini knocks in limited over games kept him in the team far longer than should have been the case. Also was harder to drop him as he was captain.

That said, I did say in another thread that Rizwan could probably justify a place in the side as a batsman alone. Just look at our openers and tell me that you wouldn't fancy him to get more runs if he was asked to open over a series? Pick the best batsmen first, worry about the batting order later.

 

[gazza619]

He was clearly a more technically accomplished batsman, I think Sarfaraz's ability to hit a few quickfire mini knocks in limited over games kept him in the team far longer than should have been the case. Also was harder to drop him as he was captain.

That said, I did say in another thread that Rizwan could probably justify a place in the side as a batsman alone. Just look at our openers and tell me that you wouldn't fancy him to get more runs if he was asked to open over a series? Pick the best batsmen first, worry about the batting order later.

I agree. To be honest if I was Sarfaraz I would work really hard on my batting and score tons of runs in domestic cricket and make a comeback as a batsman. Sarfaraz (the batsman) against vs spin is better than Babar Azam.

 

[Hasan123]

Glad he finally got a 100.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Rizwan is a very hard-working player, he scores gritty runs and is easily our best batsman in Test Cricket. He comes in when the team is failing, and hits very good knocks and rallies with the tail. Furthermore, his technique is pretty solid, I can't really find any glaring weaknesses apart from him reaching to play a few balls outside the off-stump which he should really be leaving.

Now, there's a few things we can do to strengthen this team.

Firstly, our openers are poor. You cannot ask Rizwan to open the innings, but perhaps you could change where he bats.

My first change would start by booting Azhar up the order to open. He's done it before, and we need him to do it now. I'd also drop Imran seeing as he's not even a reliable domestic opener, and I'd bring in Haider or Abdullah, whichever one. Personally, I'd take Haider because he plays the short-ball well, but either will suffice for now, and both will be playing in their natural position.

Now that no.3 slot is vacant, and I'd send Babar Azam there. He's much better against pace compared with spin, and though he's our best batsman, we need to look at his strengths. You play him at 4 and there's a chance the other team's spinner will get him. If he rectifies his game against spin, by all means send him down at 4 but this is just my thinking.

No.4 will go to Fawad Alam, also a gritty player who takes time and tires the opposition, and has a good technique against spin, will be perfectly suited for that No.4 role.

Rizwan comes in at 5 for me, I think he's not being maximized down at 6 and 7, and needs to bat with more established batsmen to really have a greater impact on the game. He keeps wickets for me too.

At 6, I'm gonna send out Saud Shakeel. Will have to start there unfortunately, and would work his way up to take Fawad's spot when his time eventually comes. Has a good technique against both pace and spin, and his temperament will not be tested too much as coming down the order usually has less of an expectation.

At 7, Faheem Ashraf walks into the team, good batting and a reliable 4th seamer as well. Should be utilized more as a bowler, particularly with the new ball as he is accurate and can bowl well.

At 8, there's a few options. If we're overseas, then someone like Nawaz would be useful, contributing overs with the ball and also with the bat. If we want someone who's more established on the test side, we could look at Shadab Khan, but his bowling is a let-down. There's also Salman Ali Agha, but he'd be pushed too far down. So I'd take Nawaz.

9, 10, and 11 are gonna be three pacers for overseas games and I'll throw in a spinner if we are playing at home. So Shaheen and Hassan pick themselves given that both are the only two solid options for bowlers. The third seamer should be Irfanullah Shah, Tabish Khan, Haris Rauf, or someone more experienced in the domestic circuit, like Mir Hamza, though he hasn't played recently. The spinner will be Nauman for now, but would like to see Sajid get into the team to create some variety (Nawaz = LA, Sajid = RA).

So it would look like:

Azhar Ali
Haider Ali (just think that he has a better temperament.)
Babar Azam (c)
Fawad Alam
Mohammad Rizwan (wk)(vc)
Saud Shakeel
Faheem Ashraf
Mohammad Nawaz
Hassan Ali
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Irfanullah Shah/Tabish Khan/Sajid Khan

That's the best we can do to give Rizwan a better chance of batting for longer and with better batsmen around him as well.

 

[hitthestump]

I agree. To be honest if I was Sarfaraz I would work really hard on my batting and score tons of runs in domestic cricket and make a comeback as a batsman. Sarfaraz (the batsman) against vs spin is better than Babar Azam.

Maybe in t20's, but Sarfaraz isn't going to be good enough to play anything longer as a pure batsman.

I personally feel that Rizwan will soon establish himself as the undisputed t20 WK too.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Rizwan "Yasir Shah said to me that I will only class you as a proper batsman if you score a 100, as even I can score 50s. So I took that on board and wanted to ensure that I made a 100 today" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvSA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvSA</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1358400482243457037?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 7, 2021</a></blockquote>
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[MHN1293]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Rizwan "Yasir Shah said to me that I will only class you as a proper batsman if you score a 100, as even I can score 50s. So I took that on board and wanted to ensure that I made a 100 today" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvSA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvSA</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1358400482243457037?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 7, 2021</a></blockquote>
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Lol when did yasir score 50s. The only pakiwtani batsmen who has only scored 100s no 50s.

 

[Firebat]

What an innings from Rizwan today. We were heading for a lead between 200-250 max, but his partnerships with Faheem, Yasir and especially Nauman were phenomenal, and will very likely be the difference between the 2 sides in this game.

Remember his list of recent Test 50s, all against SENA teams and coming to the crease in pressure situations? Add to that 115* coming in at 63/4.

Top order saviour once again, Rizwan here to stay

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Lol when did yasir score 50s. The only pakiwtani batsmen who has only scored 100s no 50s.

Fawad Alam

 

[Mamoon]

In short you can say that, regardless of Rizwans avg I will not give him any credit because he plays for Pakistan..

Lol soft runs and tough runs.. You bring the soft runs category to blame his tough runs scored at crucial situations...

Your comparisons are pathetic. Nothing short of a verbal diarrhoea.

Starting with QDK the best keeper batsman in the world of test cricket.



Buttler is as talented as De Villiers.. . `Be serious , his LOI kind of batting doesnt work at all anywhere in the world of test cricket..... His career avg is 35 + FC avg is less than 35. He has scored just 7 centuries out of 114 FC matches.. In addition to that his SR in test cricket is also 56 not like sehwags 80+


Pooran will be a very successful batsman in test cricket, outrageously talented... who has never played a FC cricket lol... Let him face the WI music in FC cricket and prove it there first

Pant will be QDK level by 2024-25 lol, Achieving what QDK has done in his test career is not even a milestone.

QDK, BUTTLER, BAIRSTOW all these three have played more than 50 tests so far in their career and still couldnt avg close to 40 to the least.

In summary as you said Rizwans glove work is superior to all of your comparisons, then he is the best in the business because his batting is also superior to all of the others in comparison..

Rizwan is actually one of the 2-3 Pakistani cricketers that I like. I am delighted to see him score a hundred but it does not change the fact that the following wicket-keepers have higher ceiling than him as a batsman:

QdK
Pant
Buttler
Bairstow
Pooran

All are better batsman than him. There is no doubt about. However, Rizwan is a very valuable player for Pakistan because any keeper who keeps brilliantly and can maintain an average of 35-39 and score a few hundreds is valuable, especially when you are a bankrupt cricket nation like Pakistan.

 

[ElRaja]

Rizwan is actually one of the 2-3 Pakistani cricketers that I like. I am delighted to see him score a hundred but it does not change the fact that the following wicket-keepers have higher ceiling than him as a batsman:

QdK
Pant
Buttler
Bairstow
Pooran

All are better batsman than him. There is no doubt about. However, Rizwan is a very valuable player for Pakistan because any keeper who keeps brilliantly and can maintain an average of 35-39 and score a few hundreds is valuable, especially when you are a bankrupt cricket nation like Pakistan.

as test batsmen? pooran has no interest in test cricket, bairstow is pbly close to his peak, and gets out in soft ways way too often. buttler is a superior hitter but his first class average suggests he doesnt have the mentality to score big consistently.

qdk and pant id agree have a higher ceiling than rizwan as batsmen, but both have issues, qdk doesnt look like he wants to even be on the ground, and it remains to be seen how pant deals with criticism of his keeping if he doesnt improve.

of all the players youve listed i think pant is the only one who has the potential to end up with significantly better batting stats than rizwan, i.e. if everything happens right, a high 40s average.

qdk and the two englishmen will end up averaging in high 30s, maybe peak in low 40s.

 

[gazza619]

Rizwan is actually one of the 2-3 Pakistani cricketers that I like. I am delighted to see him score a hundred but it does not change the fact that the following wicket-keepers have higher ceiling than him as a batsman:

QdK
Pant
Buttler
Bairstow
Pooran

All are better batsman than him. There is no doubt about. However, Rizwan is a very valuable player for Pakistan because any keeper who keeps brilliantly and can maintain an average of 35-39 and score a few hundreds is valuable, especially when you are a bankrupt cricket nation like Pakistan.

Quality post until you unnecessarily used the word bankrupt.

 

[Officer Barbrady]

Rizwan is actually one of the 2-3 Pakistani cricketers that I like. I am delighted to see him score a hundred but it does not change the fact that the following wicket-keepers have higher ceiling than him as a batsman:

QdK
Pant
Buttler
Bairstow
Pooran

All are better batsman than him. There is no doubt about. However, Rizwan is a very valuable player for Pakistan because any keeper who keeps brilliantly and can maintain an average of 35-39 and score a few hundreds is valuable, especially when you are a bankrupt cricket nation like Pakistan.

Glad you’ve upped his predicted average from 32-35 earlier in the thread to 35-39 now. More revisions (up) coming soon I suspect

 

[shah_1]

Rizwan is actually one of the 2-3 Pakistani cricketers that I like. I am delighted to see him score a hundred but it does not change the fact that the following wicket-keepers have higher ceiling than him as a batsman:

QdK
Pant
Buttler
Bairstow
Pooran

All are better batsman than him. There is no doubt about. However, Rizwan is a very valuable player for Pakistan because any keeper who keeps brilliantly and can maintain an average of 35-39 and score a few hundreds is valuable, especially when you are a bankrupt cricket nation like Pakistan.

He will maintain an average of 43 to 45. You are wrong on this, he will score tons of runs in Asia and will perform decently in SENA like he has done in last three series.

 

[King_Kohli]

Technically accomplished batsman.
Very good batsman.

 

[Mamoon]

Glad you’ve upped his predicted average from 32-35 earlier in the thread to 35-39 now. More revisions (up) coming soon I suspect

Please refer to post number 248.

 

[Mamoon]

Leave it to Pakistani fans to get more excited and carried away than a kid in a candy shop, then act surprised and shocked when they get an inevitable reality check later on.

One hundred and he is now the daddy of de Kock, Buttler, Bairstow and Pant.

He is a good player and will average around 35-39 and will play quite a few gritty knocks. Why must we try to make him what he is not?

Considering how bankrupt Pakistan is in terms of talent and how dark our future is, we should be delighted to have a world class keeper and a decent, serviceable batsman like Rizwan in our ranks, but considering how delusional we are, we must convinces ourselves and others that he is a world class batsman as well.

No, he is not. He does not have the ability to be a world class batsman.

 

[Mamoon]

He will maintain an average of 43 to 45. You are wrong on this, he will score tons of runs in Asia and will perform decently in SENA like he has done in last three series.

If he maintains an average of 43-45, that means he is only 4 average points below Inzamam and on par with the current version of Babar. I don’t think he is that good. As a batsman, he is comparable to someone like Shafiq, i.e. a high 30s averaging player.

However, like quite a few WK batsmen, he will score a lot of tough, gritty runs. He is the type of batsman who would fall cheaply when Pakistan is 400/5 but will probably play a useful innings when Pakistan is 150/5.

A real asset to have and a big upgrade on Sarfraz both behind and in front of the stumps.

 

[Junaids]

Rizwan is actually one of the 2-3 Pakistani cricketers that I like. I am delighted to see him score a hundred but it does not change the fact that the following wicket-keepers have higher ceiling than him as a batsman:

QdK
Pant
Buttler
Bairstow
Pooran

All are better batsman than him. There is no doubt about. However, Rizwan is a very valuable player for Pakistan because any keeper who keeps brilliantly and can maintain an average of 35-39 and score a few hundreds is valuable, especially when you are a bankrupt cricket nation like Pakistan.

I don't agree at all. Rizwan has a better batting technique than any of them.

Here are his Test scores away in SENA since his comeback:

37 and 95
0 and 45
9 and 27
72
53
71 and 60
61 and 10

That is a brilliant record.

De Kock and Pant are superb attacking batsmen with limited defensive techniques.

Buttler and Bairstow both have the Sarfraz deficit of not knowing how to let balls pass outside off-stump.

All of those players have a higher white ball ceiling, but they all also have a lower red ball ceiling than Rizwan.

My overall problem remains.

Mohammad Rizwan after 13 Tests has a batting average of 44.35 with 1 hundred and 6 fifties in 17 completed innings.

I know that he is the world's best wicketkeeper-batsman. But so was Kumar Sangakkara. Sometimes a team needs such players as specialist batsmen more than it does as keepers.

The answer to that question - should he keep wicket or bat in the Top Four - cannot be found in Mohammad Rizwan. The answer lies with the rest of the specialist batsmen - are there 6 better Pakistan Test batsmen than Mohammad Rizwan?

If not, he needs to give up the gloves and move up the order.

 

[Ahson8]

I don't agree at all. Rizwan has a better batting technique than any of them.

Here are his Test scores away in SENA since his comeback:

37 and 95
0 and 45
9 and 27
72
53
71 and 60
61 and 10

That is a brilliant record.

De Kock and Pant are superb attacking batsmen with limited defensive techniques.

Buttler and Bairstow both have the Sarfraz deficit of not knowing how to let balls pass outside off-stump.

All of those players have a higher white ball ceiling, but they all also have a lower red ball ceiling than Rizwan.

My overall problem remains.

Mohammad Rizwan after 13 Tests has a batting average of 44.35 with 1 hundred and 6 fifties in 17 completed innings.

I know that he is the world's best wicketkeeper-batsman. But so was Kumar Sangakkara. Sometimes a team needs such players as specialist batsmen more than it does as keepers.

The answer to that question - should he keep wicket or bat in the Top Four - cannot be found in Mohammad Rizwan. The answer lies with the rest of the specialist batsmen - are there 6 better Pakistan Test batsmen than Mohammad Rizwan?

If not, he needs to give up the gloves and move up the order.

Shan / Imam
Azhar
Saud
Babar
Fawad
Rizwan
Fahim

Which of these guys would you displace to bring in Rohail and give him the gloves ? If Saud comes good, and hopefully he will, Kamran Ghulam will have a tough time breaking into the middleorder and he had a record breaking QeA

 

[GudduBadmash]

If he maintains an average of 43-45, that means he is only 4 average points below Inzamam and on par with the current version of Babar. I don’t think he is that good. As a batsman, he is comparable to someone like Shafiq, i.e. a high 30s averaging player.

However, like quite a few WK batsmen, he will score a lot of tough, gritty runs. He is the type of batsman who would fall cheaply when Pakistan is 400/5 but will probably play a useful innings when Pakistan is 150/5.

A real asset to have and a big upgrade on Sarfraz both behind and in front of the stumps.

Giving Rizwan very little credit here in terms of ability. Man has performed in SENA like none of our batsmen ever have.

He averages high 40 in nearly every format in domestic cricket. People say he isn't a T20 player but he will slowly prove everyone wrong if he hasn't already with that unreal chase against New Zealand

 

[King_Kohli]

Rizwan in Test Cricket:

Pak - 5/94 - scored 95 vs Aus in Aus
Pak - 5/120 - scored 72 vs Eng in Eng
Pak - 5/75 - scored 53 vs Eng in Eng
Pak - 5/52 - scored 71 vs Nz in Nz
Pak - 4/74 - scored 60 vs Nz in NZ
Pak - 4/83 - scored 61 vs NZ in NZ
Pak - 4/63 - scored 115* vs SA in PAK

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

Test batting average

Babar: 44.2
Rizwan: 44.3

 

[shamaan]

He should be averaging close to 40 i would defonitely take rizwan in tests over all the aboved mentioned in this thread

 

[aloo paratha]

Rizwan in Test Cricket:

Pak - 5/94 - scored 95 vs Aus in Aus
Pak - 5/120 - scored 72 vs Eng in Eng
Pak - 5/75 - scored 53 vs Eng in Eng
Pak - 5/52 - scored 71 vs Nz in Nz
Pak - 4/74 - scored 60 vs Nz in NZ
Pak - 4/83 - scored 61 vs NZ in NZ
Pak - 4/63 - scored 115* vs SA in PAK

Man for a crisis!

 

[Kroll]

Keep Rizwan as the hidden gem. Don't expose him into top 4 position or try to make him specialist batsman. He's our secret weapon.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Rizwan in Test Cricket:

Pak - 5/94 - scored 95 vs Aus in Aus
Pak - 5/120 - scored 72 vs Eng in Eng
Pak - 5/75 - scored 53 vs Eng in Eng
Pak - 5/52 - scored 71 vs Nz in Nz
Pak - 4/74 - scored 60 vs Nz in NZ
Pak - 4/83 - scored 61 vs NZ in NZ
Pak - 4/63 - scored 115* vs SA in PAK

Certainly id becoming an important player for team and a good test batsmen. Its a shame rest of batting in team is so poor.

 

[hitthestump]

Maybe in t20's, but Sarfaraz isn't going to be good enough to play anything longer as a pure batsman.

I personally feel that Rizwan will soon establish himself as the undisputed t20 WK too.

Took just one innings for him to come through. No longer will we debate about Azam, Sarfaraz or even Fakhar/Sharjeel.

Rizwan has ended all discussion and will get even better.

 

[Varun]

This guy is an all-format star.

Stop hyping nobodies like Abdullah Shafique and Naseem Shah and back Rizwan as batsman and captain instead!

 

[GudduBadmash]

This guy is an all-format star.

Stop hyping nobodies like Abdullah Shafique and Naseem Shah and back Rizwan as batsman and captain instead!

Funny how it's mostly people from India that back this guy. Clearly proves you lot are more sensible and that is visible by your national team being so dominant too.