Or rather facts are not important to you.I apologise if its important to you but its not to me.
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Or rather facts are not important to you.I apologise if its important to you but its not to me.
It s good to see your attempting to help your boy out but your just sinking him further.Or rather facts are not important to you.
I am assuming you mean. “You’re just sinking him further” and not “your”It s good to see your attempting to help your boy out but your just sinking him further.
That is beside the point. Point out Jay Shah’s statement, or else accept that you make stuff up.Tell me that the Asia cup wasn't relocated due to the petulance of the indian board led by shah?
There's nothing to carry because there was nothing said by Jay shah as claimed by you which are a total bag of lies. It's important to everyone because you can't say baseless statements.I already mentioned this was a while back.
I don't carry that information in my pocket.
I apologise if its important to you but its not to me.
The fact that he moved the Asia cup out of Pakistan shows his ill intentions hence why I said actions speak louder than words.
Why do you struggle to grasp factual reality?.
He s putting the words in to practice.
Most indians on this forum and everyone else knows that india wants to swerve the CT with word gymnastics as you put it.
With "We only play Pakistan in ICC events" shifting to only if its not in Pakistan.
You are being a glutton for punishment when trying to respond logically and with facts.There's nothing to carry because there was nothing said by Jay shah as claimed by you which are a total bag of lies. It's important to everyone because you can't say baseless statements.
And the reality that you are unable to grasp is that Jay shah never said anything like you claim. He said no words that are being put in practice.
And regarding Asia cup- yes that exactly has been Ind policy as always and the same applies for Champions trophy. No shifting of the goal posts but the same consistent policy. Here are a couple of links from one of the most popular websites on this forum-
Why is Pakistan upset over the handling of Asia Cup cricket event?
Confusion over hosting of the tournament has led to last-minute changes and bitterness between cricket officials.www.aljazeera.com
India will not travel to Pakistan for next year’s Asia Cup
Indian cricket board’s secretary says tournament, scheduled to be held in Pakistan, will take place at neutral venue.www.aljazeera.com
Neighbors are also very excited to visit Pakistan during the Champions TrophyICC guests are pretty happy so far with Pakistan. I hope things stays the same till february
Neighbors are not visiting paNeighbors are also very excited to visit Pakistan during the Champions Trophy
Pak anyway unless you mean ban and slNeighbors are not visiting pa
We hope that you do visit and play in Pakistan after decades of absence. It is about cricket only.Neighbors are not visiting pa
Genuinely appreciate the hospitality!! Genuinely do. Enjoyed the last two Ind-Pak series in Pakistan. Given separate strategic interests of the two countries do not align, I do not see how that is possible in foreseeable future. I believe countries play sports with their (diplomatic)friends and India-pakistan are not those yet.We hope that you do visit and play in Pakistan after decades of absence. It is about cricket only.
The whole of Pakistan wants to see India playing in Pakistan. We really do.Genuinely appreciate the hospitality!! Genuinely do. Enjoyed the last two Ind-Pak series in Pakistan. Given separate strategic interests of the two countries do not align, I do not see how that is possible in foreseeable future. I believe countries play sports with their (diplomatic)friends and India-pakistan are not those yet.
I genuinely doubt it. It has been tried and tested so many times.Cricket can break the shackles between the 2 nations.
You can carry on your defence lawyer statements for shah but all the lies are spewing from himThere's nothing to carry because there was nothing said by Jay shah as claimed by you which are a total bag of lies. It's important to everyone because you can't say baseless statements.
And the reality that you are unable to grasp is that Jay shah never said anything like you claim. He said no words that are being put in practice.
And regarding Asia cup- yes that exactly has been Ind policy as always and the same applies for Champions trophy. No shifting of the goal posts but the same consistent policy. Here are a couple of links from one of the most popular websites on this forum-
Why is Pakistan upset over the handling of Asia Cup cricket event?
Confusion over hosting of the tournament has led to last-minute changes and bitterness between cricket officials.www.aljazeera.com
India will not travel to Pakistan for next year’s Asia Cup
Indian cricket board’s secretary says tournament, scheduled to be held in Pakistan, will take place at neutral venue.www.aljazeera.com
I genuinely doubt it. It has been tried and tested so many times.
1999 India-Pakistan.
2007 India-Pakistan.
The issues are lot deeper than something that cricket series, entertainment or business relationships can fix IMO.
That's exactly the point actions speak louder than words but you seem to think finding a statement is more valuable than what actually happened. i.e Asia cupI am assuming you mean. “You’re just sinking him further” and not “your”
1. I don’t think he is my boy, I don't know him/her.
2. There is no sinking here, you seem to be present in some alternative universe.
3. It is about you and coming up with facts out of thin air.
That is beside the point. Point out Jay Shah’s statement, or else accept that you make stuff up.
The defense lawyer statements are coming from you as you are playing defense by not being able to show Jay shah statements lol!You can carry on your defence lawyer statements for shah but all the lies are spewing from him
Cut the about "policy" and and say the refusal to tour is always down to political reasons and not sporting.
Of course it is political. Common knowledge. Once the BCCI defaulted to the government, it became political. Anything involving government is political.You can carry on your defence lawyer statements for shah but all the lies are spewing from him
Cut the about "policy" and and say the refusal to tour is always down to political reasons and not sporting.
It is funny when someone thinks Jay Shah needs defense from some anonymous nobodies on a random cricket chat forumThe defense lawyer statements are coming from you as you are playing defense by not being able to show Jay shah statements lol!
It is of course political- who said otherwise? Bcci has always said tours or playing against pak is always subject to goi approval. And goi will deny due to political reasons. bcci never said they won't play pak for sporting reasons.
No.... The statement proves intent. Right now you are just inferring and if Jay Shah spoke those words, it shows him stepping outside the boundaries of his role as a cricket administrator. Since you have not been able to provide the proof, I will just continue assume you make things up as you like.That's exactly the point actions speak louder than words but you seem to think finding a statement is more valuable than what actually happened. i.e Asia cup
They are gonna wait till the last minute and might say NO in the end.24 pages of threads yet still no one has a clue if India is coming to Pakistan for 2025 CT lol..
I really don’t understand why it’s taking so long for GOI to make a decision. What are we still waiting for?
Lots of political point scoring but little to no hard facts
Very disappointing
Maybe waiting for Jay Shah to take charge as ICC president.24 pages of threads yet still no one has a clue if India is coming to Pakistan for 2025 CT lol..
I really don’t understand why it’s taking so long for GOI to make a decision. What are we still waiting for?
Lots of political point scoring but little to no hard facts
Very disappointing
ICC delegation concludes Pakistan tour with Gaddafi Stadium visit
The International Cricket Council (ICC) delegation, which came to Pakistan to inspect the arrangements being made for next year’s Champions Trophy, completed its tour by visiting the Gaddafi Stadium here on Saturday.
The officials of the delegation, who held meetings with the heads of different departments of the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB), were scheduled to leave for the UAE late on Saturday, a PCB official said.
“The delegation handed over its wish-list to the heads of the departments of the PCB about the preparations for the Champions Trophy while the PCB officials also briefed the delegation about the steps being taken to make the event successful,” the official further said.
The ICC delegation on Saturday visited the construction area of the Gaddafi Stadium and hoped that the refurbishment work would be completed well within the deadline of Dec 31.
The delegation during its tour of Pakistan had also visited the venues of Karachi (National Bank Stadium) and Rawalpindi (Pindi Cricket Stadium) – where the uplift work continues -- to inspect the arrangements being made for hosting the Champions Trophy matches in these cities.
While the participation of Indian cricket team in the Champions Trophy continues to remain uncertain owing to New Delhi’s refusal to play bilateral series with Pakistan, the ICC has opted to stay tight lipped over the contentious subject.
On the other hand, the ICC approved the Champions Trophy budget in collaboration with the PCB under the supervision of J. Shah’s finance committee. Shah, who is BCCI secretary, was also elected as ICC chairman unopposed, recently.
“The approval to the Champions Trophy budget under Shah’s committee is a sign that things are moving smoothly regarding the visit of the Indian team [for the Champions Trophy],” the PCB official stated.
“England, West Indies and New Zealand teams are going to come to Pakistan [for a tri-series] before the Champions Trophy, terming their visit part of their preparations’ programme for the said ICC event. The PCB hopes to host to make the ICC Champions Trophy a successful event,” the official added.
DAWN NEWS
Sorry but this is untrue. No ind media has said anything like this. The Tribune article says Ind media is spreading false claims but doesn't provide a single ind source or article. None whatsoever.Indian media spreading false claims about ICC delegation’s visit to Pakistan
India has launched a negative propaganda campaign concerning Pakistan's hosting of the 2025 Champions Trophy, spreading false reports about the recent visit of an International Cricket Council (ICC) delegation to Pakistan.
Indian media outlets have claimed that the delegation expressed concerns over Pakistan's ability to host the event, though this has been strongly denied.
Mohsin Naqvi confirmed that the ICC delegation was pleased with the security arrangements observed in Karachi, Rawalpindi, and Islamabad.
He reassured stakeholders that world-class preparations are underway for the ICC Champions Trophy, with all stadium upgrades set for completion in advance of the event.
The team, including senior manager of events Sarah Edgar, event lead Aun Muhammad Zaidi, general manager of cricket Wasim Khan, security manager David Musker, and broadcast consultant Mansoor Manj, visited key venues and discussed plans with Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Chairman Mohsin Naqvi.
They were updated on stadium upgrades, security measures, and facilities for fans.
During a productive meeting with Chairman Mohsin Naqvi in Islamabad yesterday, the delegation received assurances regarding the timely completion of stadium upgrades and robust security arrangements for the tournament.
The PCB has planned an extensive briefing for the delegation, highlighting the ongoing upgrade work at the stadium, which includes the LCCA ground where practice sessions for participating teams will be held. Additionally, the historic Bagh-e-Jinnah ground has been proposed as an alternative practice venue.
Despite the positive feedback from the ICC, Indian media has spread false claims that the delegation raised concerns about Pakistan's capacity to host the tournament.
The ongoing delay in India’s official confirmation of their participation in the 2025 Champions Trophy has also contributed to speculation, impacting the tournament schedule.
In addition, during a meeting with the ICC delegation in Islamabad last week, Mohsin Naqvi confirmed that the renovation work on all venues would be completed before the tournament.
The Champions Trophy is scheduled to take place in February and March next year, with the top eight teams competing. However, the delay in India’s confirmation has caused uncertainty over the final tournament schedule.
ICC delegation, currently on a visit to Pakistan, has arrived at Gaddafi Stadium to assess the preparations for the upcoming ICC Champions Trophy 2025.
The visit is aimed at reviewing the stadium's facilities and infrastructure upgrades.
Indian media spreads false claims about ICC delegation’s visit to Pakistan | The Express Tribune
ICC delegation satisfied with Pakistan’s preparations for Champions Trophy; India begins negative propaganda.tribune.com.pk
It's because some of the posters here are in denial and delusional. Ind is not going to pak for the CT and it will be a hybrid format. And thats the reality. This thread can go on for another 100 pages before the CT but the outcome is the same and posters here will continue to refuse to believe it. . Simple.24 pages of threads yet still no one has a clue if India is coming to Pakistan for 2025 CT lol..
I really don’t understand why it’s taking so long for GOI to make a decision. What are we still waiting for?
Lots of political point scoring but little to no hard facts
Very disappointing
It can mean two thingsThe sports spirit of Pakistan's cricket fans is unmatched
It's because some of the posters here are in denial and delusional. Ind is not going to pak for the CT and it will be a hybrid format. And thats the reality. This thread can go on for another 100 pages before the CT but the outcome is the same and posters here will continue to refuse to believe it. . Simple.
As to why- i have provided details in earlier posts and from some pretty connected sources. Posters here can live in denial and that's their choice
Honestly bcos BCCI 'can" do it. Not sugar coating it. And they are in that position to do it whereas PCB is not and PCB cant dictate anything. They will wait and wait for BCCI and will agree to whatever BCCI proposes. Thats the reality. All the bombastic talk by pcb is for the domestic Pak people.Then why is it taking so long for BCCI to announce their official position?
Nah the BCCI is powerless. I think it's because the Indian government can't make it's mind up. There are obviously back channel discussions happening but the government has to decide whether the political ramifications of allowing the Indian cricket team to travel are worth it.Honestly bcos BCCI 'can" do it. Not sugar coating it. And they are in that position to do it whereas PCB is not and PCB cant dictate anything. They will wait and wait for BCCI and will agree to whatever BCCI proposes. Thats the reality. All the bombastic talk by pcb is for the domestic Pak people.
I didnt mean regarding the decision itself because thats the GOI decision ultimately. What I meant was BCCI can "delay relaying the decision" & not taking the actual decision - as they know there is no CT without Ind irrespective of posters here saying Pak should replace Ind with SL in the CT and get goingNah the BCCI is powerless. I think it's because the Indian government can't make it's mind up. There are obviously back channel discussions happening but the government has to decide whether the political ramifications of allowing the Indian cricket team to travel are worth it.
I didnt mean regarding the decision itself because thats the GOI decision ultimately. What I meant was BCCI can "delay relaying the decision" & not taking the actual decision - as they know there is no CT without Ind irrespective of posters here saying Pak should replace Ind with SL in the CT and get going
Honestly bcos BCCI 'can" do it. Not sugar coating it. And they are in that position to do it whereas PCB is not and PCB cant dictate anything. They will wait and wait for BCCI and will agree to whatever BCCI proposes. Thats the reality. All the bombastic talk by pcb is for the domestic Pak people.
Nah the BCCI is powerless. I think it's because the Indian government can't make it's mind up. There are obviously back channel discussions happening but the government has to decide whether the political ramifications of allowing the Indian cricket team to travel are worth it.
Pak concern now should be to get its stadiums ready and forget about Ind touring or not and PCB knows this. Get to organize the tournament without any glitches. Have decent stadiums with spectator experience and make sure the stadiums are packed to the gill - makes for good TV optics for sure.If we wait until the last minute - who is going to arrange a hybrid schedule on UAE / SL? How will the logistics, broadcasting schedules etc all be managed?
Seems like a recipe for disaster..
Also any clarity please on these back channel negotiations? What is being discussed?
Pak concern now should be to get its stadiums ready and forget about Ind touring or not and PCB knows this. Get to organize the tournament without any glitches. Have decent stadiums with spectator experience and make sure the stadiums are packed to the gill - makes for good TV optics for sure.
Regarding hybrid matches - dont worry Dubai is forever perpetually on a standby mode along with SL . They can arrange at the drop of a hat. With SL, its more weather driven than anything else. But and Ind Pak match will get more audience in Dubai than in SL for sure. And its all about the TV audience now and not the crowds at the stadium. And the clarity is - Ind will not tour Pak and it will be a hybrid model.
Im thoroughly enjoying this constant drivel from the indian posters. The dish is only going to taste sweeter once the final outcome comes.Sorry not following…
What is the purpose of back channel negotiations if GOI has already decided to pursue Hybrid Model?
What are they waiting for?
Back channel negotiations for hybrid model. Pcb must already have been preparing for hybrid model. They are waiting only to make an announcement which will be closer to CTSorry not following…
What is the purpose of back channel negotiations if GOI has already decided to pursue Hybrid Model?
What are they waiting for?
Okay. Marking your post when the outcome arrivesIm thoroughly enjoying this constant drivel from the indian posters. The dish is only going to taste sweeter once the final outcome comes.
Why not the ICC move on? All this uncertainty can be solved very very quickly. ICC and PCB can take a decision to get SL in place of Ind. as they have not confirmed whether they are participating or not.If we wait until the last minute - who is going to arrange a hybrid schedule on UAE / SL? How will the logistics, broadcasting schedules etc all be managed?
Seems like a recipe for disaster..
Also any clarity please on these back channel negotiations? What is being discussed?
now you know what India had to put up with for 2023 WC. Hope India announces the whatever decision it is the week before the tournament.If we wait until the last minute - who is going to arrange a hybrid schedule on UAE / SL? How will the logistics, broadcasting schedules etc all be managed?
Seems like a recipe for disaster..
Also any clarity please on these back channel negotiations? What is being discussed?
If that's what happens, then ICC should continue CT without India.If we wait until the last minute - who is going to arrange a hybrid schedule on UAE / SL? How will the logistics, broadcasting schedules etc all be managed?
Seems like a recipe for disaster..
Also any clarity please on these back channel negotiations? What is being discussed?
Buddy, unlike you and your fellas, our ego and life doesnt depend on our cricketing team visiting a certain country. So maybe reevaluate your priorities and things you get validation from.Okay. Marking your post when the outcome arrives
Again as I have said repeatedly there is no ego, its just the reality. The pak.posters here are hung up on Ind visiting pak. I personally want to see the Ind team visit pak and beat pak in their own backyard and also beat them in the SF and final if both teams meet there.Buddy, unlike you and your fellas, our ego and life doesnt depend on our cricketing team visiting a certain country. So maybe reevaluate your priorities and things you get validation from.
This is a choice made by the ICC and/or PCB. Choosing to continue with this nonsense.If we wait until the last minute - who is going to arrange a hybrid schedule on UAE / SL? How will the logistics, broadcasting schedules etc all be managed?
Seems like a recipe for disaster..
Also any clarity please on these back channel negotiations? What is being discussed?
I really don’t think this is on the PCB. They are working non stop to ensure everything is ready for the tournament. All teams are expected to play.This is a choice made by the ICC and/or PCB. Choosing to continue with this nonsense.
Yes. I pretty much put it all on the ICC.I really don’t think this is on the PCB. They are working non stop to ensure everything is ready for the tournament. All teams are expected to play.
Perhaps. I’m not sure if it’s up to the host nation to ensure a team like India comes or if this falls to the ICC.Yes. I pretty much put it all on the ICC.
Sure, all teams are expected to play. But when a team is dragging it's feet affecting the prep for the tournament, decisions have to me made by the organizers. They have to make sure there is no ambiguity in the situation. Decisions should be on the side of making the tournament a success. Not on the side of $$$ greed.
Perhaps the $$$ greed is what will make the tournament a success!
To your first question, that is something the ICC needs to do. They need to push the BCCI to get a final yes or no decision from the Indian government on the travel. We're getting close to the point - maybe in a month and a half or so when tickets need to go on sale. My guess is that will determine the timeline of the decision.If we wait until the last minute - who is going to arrange a hybrid schedule on UAE / SL? How will the logistics, broadcasting schedules etc all be managed?
Seems like a recipe for disaster..
Also any clarity please on these back channel negotiations? What is being discussed?
The ICC does not need to any pushing. They just need to set a deadline. Say a week from now for BCCI to say yes or no. If they don't hear back, ICC assumes it's a no.To your first question, that is something the ICC needs to do. They need to push the BCCI to get a final yes or no decision from the Indian government on the travel. We're getting close to the point - maybe in a month and a half or so when tickets need to go on sale. My guess is that will determine the timeline of the decision.
As to the backchannel discussions, again it's only my theory but I would guess there are 2 tracks
- Government to government between India and Pakistan to see if they can start opening things up - trade, sport, cultural exchange
- Cricket boards - ICC, India, Pakistan, Emirates on plan B if it has to be used
Its hilarious when people deny the facts of reality that have taken place.It is funny when someone thinks Jay Shah needs defense from some anonymous nobodies on a random cricket chat forum
At least you admit it unlike other posters who move the goal posts.Of course it is political. Common knowledge. Once the BCCI defaulted to the government, it became political. Anything involving government is political.
That's funny I thought the indian board was playing the "security reasons" card.The defense lawyer statements are coming from you as you are playing defense by not being able to show Jay shah statements lol!
It is of course political- who said otherwise? Bcci has always said tours or playing against pak is always subject to goi approval. And goi will deny due to political reasons. bcci never said they won't play pak for sporting reasons.
You are sinking yourself in a deeper holeThat's funny I thought the indian board was playing the "security reasons" card.
The list of possible excuses the indian board could use include but not limited to : Its being held in Pakistan, "Security reasons", Political tensions etc.
I'm not going to repeat myself countless times regarding shah.
Refer to the many previous posts.
Who decides on the facts ? You or an objective source of truth ?Its hilarious when people deny the facts of reality that have taken place.
I think India might come as its ICC event and lots of Indian posters will either be left red faced or somehow twist it into "for greater good of the game".
If you believe the Asia cup being forced out of Pakistan happened by you know who then you have your answer.Who decides on the facts ? You or an objective source of truth ?
Your obsession about a particular statement is blinding you from the fact that the Asia cup was forcefully removed from Pakistan by you know who.You are sinking yourself in a deeper hole
The list Ind board ""could"" use ?? LOL- what does that mean ? You are speculating so much with such false baseless statements.
And on Shah - not one , I repeat not one link was provided by you . You have nothing to provide bcos Jay Shah never said it. And you are on a face saving mission now
Thats ok !!
so now we are going by gut feel instead of the quote which you said you had posted somewhere.If you believe the Asia cup being forced out of Pakistan happened by you know who then you have your answer.
Gut feel???.so now we are going by gut feel instead of the quote which you said you had posted somewhere.
Time to accept it that you make things up.
Do you have proof that he did it to hurt PCB cricket ?Gut feel???.
It happened.
Are you on cloud cuckoo land.
Time to accept your delusional.
I said I had posted actions speak louder than words on multiple occasions emphasising the fact the clown removed the Asia cup from Pakistan which proves he has ill intentions towards Pakistan cricket thus proving my point.
It isn't rocket science.
Asia cup was moved out of pak - yet pak still played bending over backwards for the bcci. Direct your ire at pcb for showing no spine whatsoever and shamelessly agreeing to the cup being moved out of pak.Your obsession about a particular statement is blinding you from the fact that the Asia cup was forcefully removed from Pakistan by you know who.
That validates my point of the ill intentions towards Pakistan cricket.
The sooner you wake to that reality the better.
I don't need to face save nothing as the above fact proves what I said all along.
I mentioned actions speak louder than words countless times for you to understand the hint yet the penny hasn't dropped.
With regards to the indian board comments of course that is my speculation I didn't claim otherwise.
But deep down in your heart of hearts you know one of them will be true.
Do you have proof that he did it to hurt PCB cricket
Your confusing Apples & oranges again.Asia cup was moved out of pak - yet pak still played bending over backwards for the bcci. Direct your ire at pcb for showing no spine whatsoever and shamelessly agreeing to the cup being moved out of pak.
The sooner you smell the coffee and get into reality the better.
Now you say your Indian board comments were speculation lol! When you clearly said jay shah made statements that he wanted to destroy pak cricket. And let's get real. If bcci wanted to really hurt pak cricket - they could have done it period.
I was starting to believe you are actual shoaib akhtar, but your wnglish is better . Anyways if it was so easy present a proof that Jay Shah made thay move to hurt PCB.Is that a serious question.
I'm starting to believe the first part of your username is correct.
From yeah he made those statements, to I was speculating. When asked for proof this guy always says you know the answer. If the answer was so easy, there should have been an objective source of truth. I am out of the debate.Asia cup was moved out of pak - yet pak still played bending over backwards for the bcci. Direct your ire at pcb for showing no spine whatsoever and shamelessly agreeing to the cup being moved out of pak.
The sooner you smell the coffee and get into reality the better.
Now you say your Indian board comments were speculation lol! When you clearly said jay shah made statements that he wanted to destroy pak cricket. And let's get real. If bcci wanted to really hurt pak cricket - they could have done it period.