[VIDEOS/PICTURES] How long before patience runs out with Haider Ali?

[Saj]

We aren't the most patient when it comes to young cricketers in Pakistan trying to make a name for themselves.

We have over the years seen many young cricketers come into international cricket with high hopes and a big reputation, only to be lost to the wilderness of domestic cricket. Some are never seen again, others are brought back to the international fold when way past their bet.

Haider Ali came into international cricket with a big reputation and with high hopes from fans. He was according to some going to be the golden boy of Pakistani batting alongside Babar Azam.

However his last 9 scores for Pakistan have been:

12
14
15
10
21
11
8
3
27

In 14 innings for Pakistan he just has 2 50s, including one on debut.

He looks an exceptional batsman at times with a lovely range of shots. At other times he looks rather average and plays some very ordinary shots.

One hopes that everyone is patient with him, but there is every chance that the patience may run out sooner rather than later.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

I’ve been Haider’s biggest supporter and there is no doubt that there comes a point when the responsibility is on the individual. But he really should be persisted with. He will come good

 

[Ahmed216]

He needs to tighten up his game. I would keep him away from T20'S and let him focus on the longer versions especially FC cricket. He seems to have no method to his batting and looks very raw espcially against spin.
Longer versions might help him develop his skills and gameplan.

 

[hitthestump]

Hahaha, when an appropriate replacement presents itself?

The fact of the matter is that Haider Ali comfortably slots into the top 5 T20 batsmen in Pakistan.

This series has been such a reality check for Pakistan. We are a mediocre cricketing nation and going nowhere under Mis-Waq. Patience can't run out for Haider because he is as good as it gets right now.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Pre-meditation all over. Will never succeed until he starts playing the ball on merit. I don’t see him being successful with this current mindset.

 

[nextover666666]

He needs to spend more time in the crease its okay to soak up some dot balls. He had the to catch up to the strike rate, does not need to try to find a boundary on each ball. He has the talent but needs to play according to the match situation and value his wicket not just throw it away

 

[UzmanBeast]

He needs a full season of domestic.

You can't try to bash every ball you face. You also need to learn from your mistakes. Should get Faisal Akram the chinaman to bowl non-stop to Haider so he learns how to cope with Shamsi.

 

[Adil_94]

Should persist with him for a few more series. The talent is there

 

[Barragan]

He needs to play a full season or two of FC before maturing as a proper batsman.

 

[Concerned]

Rather him than Safraz slotting back in.

 

[imranq]

Get strong Umar Akmal vibes when it comes to his mindset. Will look like a million bucks with some of his shots and as soon as the bowler ties him down with 2 or 3 dots, you almost always expect him to play a wild premeditated shot... Still young but hasn't shown consistency yet and I wouldn't pencil him in the lineup as a for sure bet. He still needs to earn his spot.

Don't get me wrong, I like him a lot but even Umar Amin looks a million bucks with his shots. If he can't show consistency, he needs to play more domestic and the coaching staff needs to work with him on his deficiencies. Give him small targets per game and work with him. If he was groomed in the Indian domestic structure, with his potential he would probably be our best batsman in a yr or so.

 

[Badsha]

I too get the Umar Akmal vibes but the issue is Umar Akmal never developed his game and we stuck with him for no reason.

I hope we don't repeat the same with Haider Ali. Let him learn how to develop an innings, and if he can't do it yet, drop him and let him learn in the domestic scene.

 

[Titan24]

Was inducted in Pakistan team after just one season of QAE and PSL. Just like any player without much domestic experience his development at international level was always going to take time.

Thing is what exactly are the options we have? Middle order batsmen for T20s at the moment look extinct especially when it comes to national team. Yes few guys have been performing in domestic T20 competitions but, even they have been struggling to translate their form into international.

Skill wise Haider Ali without a doubt is one of the best young batsman in Pakistan, how he is developed is something that will have to be seen. I personally would have liked more domestic cricket before his induction but, now that they have taken a leap of faith its the responsibility of management to handle him accordingly.

 

[gazza619]

Something doesnt seem right with his balance at the crease.

Not in my good books yet. He still needs to convince me! If it were up to me I would play Sohaib Maqsood or even Azam Khan.

 

[Line and Length]

No point persisting with him if they're not working on him individually in between games. He'll keep making the same mistakes that he's been making these last several games and his confidence will keep diminishing. Our batting coach needs to work on his temperament and teach him how to build an innings instead of being a cheerleader in the stands when an established batsman gets a half century. You can't just shoehorn him in the middle order and think all your problems will go away, if anything, it's making things worse.

 

[golagunda]

He is the king of soft dismissals. Either gets out on premeditated slogs or misses completely innocuous deliveries. Don't remember the when a bowler got him on a good ball.

 

[Hasan123]

He doesn’t have much game awareness right now. He needs first class cricket to improve.

 

[Markhor]

He'll learn. He was rushed into international cricket but with a depleted SAF bowling attack and a Zimbabwe tour to come - dropping him now would be the worst thing. Must be backed at #5.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Is he really 20? Looks a bit older than that.

 

[Snowflake]

No point persisting with him if they're not working on him individually in between games. He'll keep making the same mistakes that he's been making these last several games and his confidence will keep diminishing. Our batting coach needs to work on his temperament and teach him how to build an innings instead of being a cheerleader in the stands when an established batsman gets a half century. You can't just shoehorn him in the middle order and think all your problems will go away, if anything, it's making things worse.

If most here can identify the issue with his batting, I am sure he can too. We can't put all the responsibility in the coaches, the players needs to put his hand up and understand where he is going wrong. Haider has been a huge let down and it is mainly down to his approach. He goes hard at every single delivery and his leg side hoicks, with his right leg lifted off the ground, are straight out of the gulli mohalla cricket.

If he cannot see the issue himself, then no coach can help him.

On topic - time is certainly running out for him. He needs to put a price on his wicket and understand that his reckless approach is harming the team. He cannot be baby'd forever.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Something doesnt seem right with his balance at the crease.

Not in my good books yet. He still needs to convince me! If it were up to me I would play Sohaib Maqsood or even Azam Khan.

Yep, i'm not convinced myself. A couple of flashy boundaries aren't going to win me over.

 

[cricketAXEpert]

We aren't the most patient when it comes to young cricketers in Pakistan trying to make a name for themselves.

We have over the years seen many young cricketers come into international cricket with high hopes and a big reputation, only to be lost to the wilderness of domestic cricket. Some are never seen again, others are brought back to the international fold when way past their bet.

Haider Ali came into international cricket with a big reputation and with high hopes from fans. He was according to some going to be the golden boy of Pakistani batting alongside Babar Azam.

However his last 9 scores for Pakistan have been:

12
14
15
10
21
11
8
3
27

In 14 innings for Pakistan he just has 2 50s, including one on debut.

He looks an exceptional batsman at times with a lovely range of shots. At other times he looks rather average and plays some very ordinary shots.

One hopes that everyone is patient with him, but there is every chance that the patience may run out sooner rather than later.

Haider Ali seems to be on a downward spiral. Another thing I am noticing is the non Existent batting of Mohd Nawaz. He does not look like a replacement of Imad Wasim's allrounder ability.

 

[MenInG]

Inzamam on Haider Ali :

"Haider Ali is a good player and looks like a natural power-hitter, but he can’t hit on first ball or every ball. He has been scoring only around 10 or 15 runs for the past few matches. He needs to use his ability and give himself time at the crease, so he can score. Batting is not only about hitting boundaries"

 

[Kroll]

Actually Haider Ali needs to be a touch more patient with his play. In another thread, he was talking about valuing his wicket more. He has to balance his play between consolidation and aggression.

If he can cut down holing out into the deep early on, then he can be successful. In short, Haider has to be backed.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Doesn't look relaxed at the crease. That is why he chooses wrong options - particularly playing across the line.

Needs to go back to domestics and learn to build - particularly in 4 day cricket. Can't learn on international stage.

 

[GreenKhan]

He has been given a good run by the selectors which is heartening to see but his form and performances seem to be on a downward Spiral at the moment . Maybe give him another game or two possibly.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

I really hope he is given a really long run. Let him sort it out, and Younis can help him on mental side of things. He should be playing all 3 formats and given full confidence.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Should put him in the test team and given the express instructions he can score as fast or slow as he wants, but no aerial shots allowed. At the moment he just looks like a walking wicket. Obviously some good shots in there, but he puts no value on his wicket.

Umar Amin got slaughtered for much the same faults, and I don't think he performed any less.

 

[Bewal Express]

Give him as long as he needs. Maybe drop him from some games and then bring it back but we cant waste another young talent. We have so few options

 

[Thanos]

Saw some fan posts here few months back that he'll be Rohit Sharma of Pakistan. Tuned to hotstar for last two T20 vs SA to see his batting but unfortunately he didn't perform well. Happens to best of all.

But does he have domestic records to back his selection? Initially Rohit too didn't perform as expected and was trolled heavily. But he always had domestic records to back his selection.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

It will be disappointing if he keeps underperforming because you can see this guy has the tools. It's just soft dismissal after soft dismissal.

 

[mastimasti]

In professional organisations such as the BCCI or the ECB or CA, the best young players are identified and regardless of performances given extensive runs in the side. The likes of Buttler, Roy, Bairstow for England ,Rahul, Pant, Sharma did not just become world beaters over night. It actually took most of them considerable years to do so.

Someone like Haider, if identified as a top future player, must be given the same opportunities. Yes he can be rotated around but he should not leave the ODI/T20 squad for extended periods.

 

[Saj]

Inzamam on Haider Ali :

"Haider Ali is a good player and looks like a natural power-hitter, but he can’t hit on first ball or every ball. He has been scoring only around 10 or 15 runs for the past few matches. He needs to use his ability and give himself time at the crease, so he can score. Batting is not only about hitting boundaries"

And here we go. The criticism from former players has started and this will only get worse the longer he fails.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Haider Ali needs to learn from Fakhar about aptitude and application , Fakhar is lesser talented than him but got nerves of steel and even he faced this consistency issues.

 

[Mamoon]

Not for long and rightly so.

Our fans will always make excuses but if Haider gets dropped he will have no one to blame.

He didn’t get picked in the ODI series but he has played enough matches to produce some meaningful knocks.

It has all been downhill since his debut half-century against England.

He is playing like an ugly tape ball hack and has exhibited no batting intelligence and no game awareness.

The natural ability is certainly there but right now he has no idea how to convert that ability into performance.

He is in the good books of M. Wasim but I imagine that Misbah has almost had enough. He hates nothing more than someone who plays like Haider.

 

[Rana]

How is he any better than Umar Akmal?

 

[Mamoon]

How is he any better than Umar Akmal?

Umar at Haider’s age (2009-10) was miles better than what Haider is today.

 

[gazza619]

Not for long and rightly so.

Our fans will always make excuses but if Haider gets dropped he will have no one to blame.

He didn’t get picked in the ODI series but he has played enough matches to produce some meaningful knocks.

It has all been downhill since his debut half-century against England.

He is playing like an ugly tape ball hack and has exhibited no batting intelligence and no game awareness.

The natural ability is certainly there but right now he has no idea how to convert that ability into performance.

He is in the good books of M. Wasim but I imagine that Misbah has almost had enough. He hates nothing more than someone who plays like Haider.

I havent seen the natural hitting ability from Haider if i am being honest. His balance at the crease is not good at all.

Misbah would be cursing that his favourite Iftikhar was not picked and he may well be right. Iftikhar appears to be miles ahead of Haider and Asif, but thats also because he has done the hard yards in first class cricket.

 

[Rana]

Umar at Haider’s age (2009-10) was miles better than what Haider is today.

Umar even know might still score a fancy 30-40 before playing a loose shot. Whereas Haider guarantees nothing just like Afridi in his playing days

 

[Hawkeye]

I have said this from the beginning that he needs to learn how to construct an innings.

He needs to play more First Class/Tests.

A lot of development in that area needed.
[MENTION=144683]Forum363[/MENTION] might have seen the light now after an year.

 

[Forum363]

I have said this from the beginning that he needs to learn how to construct an innings.

He needs to play more First Class/Tests.

A lot of development in that area needed.
[MENTION=144683]Forum363[/MENTION] might have seen the light now after an year.

I can’t remember debating on this but there’s no argument that he needs a lot of time in first class cricket.

However he is a rare talent for a team like Pakistan and should be playing all the limited over games for us he can. He should have played the ODIs over the likes of Aziz and Asif in the middle order.

But PCB should not give him NOC for any other league cricket at all.

 

[Forum363]

Umar even know might still score a fancy 30-40 before playing a loose shot. Whereas Haider guarantees nothing just like Afridi in his playing days

Umar has no brain and like the rest of the Akmals, does not belong in international cricket.

Haider has potential we have not seen in a batsman for a long time. The most important upcoming talent we have in our country.

 

[Abdullah Rabbani]

Saw some fan posts here few months back that he'll be Rohit Sharma of Pakistan. Tuned to hotstar for last two T20 vs SA to see his batting but unfortunately he didn't perform well. Happens to best of all.

But does he have domestic records to back his selection? Initially Rohit too didn't perform as expected and was trolled heavily. But he always had domestic records to back his selection.

He needs to learn how rohit build his innings beautifully not blindly follow his hitting

 

[Yasir_ch]

Haider needs to be persisted with.He is the most talented young batsman in the country. He will come good just needs to stop playing rash shots.

 

[Markhor]

Doesn't look relaxed at the crease. That is why he chooses wrong options - particularly playing across the line.

Needs to go back to domestics and learn to build - particularly in 4 day cricket. Can't learn on international stage.

He does, but meaningless T20I series against a depleted South Africa and Zimbabwe present ideal opportunities for a youngster to learn.

It's better we use these matches on Haider than go back to likes of Shoaib Malik, Umar Akmal etc.

 

[NauV]

We need to ask a more fundamental question before that . . is he an opener or is he a middle order/number 5 batter?

My understanding is, all his exploits in domestics/under 19 are as an opener . . he is trained to be an opener . . completely different skill when you come down the order . . Just to accommodate Rizwan and Babar (who are both liabilities after the powerplay), we have sacrificed him just because of his "perceived" ability to hit big . . there can't be a bigger fallacy!

Are you really giving him the right conditions to succeed? The answer is no . . the rest doesn't matter to me!

Yet another example of daft planning and thinking from the team management . . they are trying to mold him into something that he isnt (not yet currently) and do so in an international setting!

 

[asifp]

Not sure why he thinks he has to hit a six every ball. Management should give him targets. First one should he he needs to play 15 balls and can only hit after that.

 

[shamaan]

Saw some fan posts here few months back that he'll be Rohit Sharma of Pakistan. Tuned to hotstar for last two T20 vs SA to see his batting but unfortunately he didn't perform well. Happens to best of all.

But does he have domestic records to back his selection? Initially Rohit too didn't perform as expected and was trolled heavily. But he always had domestic records to back his selection.

He has played first class,list A and has played for Pakistan u19s and he will come good but he needs time to settle into one position

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Umar has no brain and like the rest of the Akmals, does not belong in international cricket.

Haider has potential we have not seen in a batsman for a long time. The most important upcoming talent we have in our country.

He needs to be grabbing opportunities with both hands and frankly i haven't seen it yet other than that maiden 50 against Eng in Eng.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

It should not because we don't really have a better option in the wings. In t20is batting at no.5 is usually all about hitting and strike rotation unless you're going chasing a low total.

The more ODIs he plays, the better he will get hopefully.

 

[Saj]

I think he is a victim of this play your natural game approach.

Yes, play your natural game, but don't be reckless.

Sometimes with Haider you can tell when he is going to play a wild slog before the ball is even bowled.

 

[shamaan]

He should be persisted with and batting at one position

 

[Forum363]

He needs to be grabbing opportunities with both hands and frankly i haven't seen it yet other than that maiden 50 against Eng in Eng.

He hasn’t but it happens to everyone. You’ve seen the likes of abandon also struggling. Especially when they have so many shots and don’t quite have the experience of when best to execute which shot.

 

[Artaxerxes]

He should be persisted.He has potential.He needs a bit of guidance from coaches and senior players.He has to learn not to be reckless.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

He hasn’t but it happens to everyone. You’ve seen the likes of abandon also struggling. Especially when they have so many shots and don’t quite have the experience of when best to execute which shot.

Well needs to get himself in gear in my view, can't just be a guy who makes 16 runs and then out. He's too young in terms of experience and my gut tells me to give Shoaib Moqsood the bat come October.

 

[Bigboii]

During FC season kick him out of the squad and make sure he plays "all" of that season

You can't carry people for talent alone we should have learnt that from UA experiment...

 

[Forum363]

Well needs to get himself in gear in my view, can't just be a guy who makes 16 runs and then out. He's too young in terms of experience and my gut tells me to give Shoaib Moqsood the bat come October.

He does. But he should be given a long rope because of his talent. And given the space and guidance to grow.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

He does. But he should be given a long rope because of his talent. And given the space and guidance to grow.

He does have good shots but my 6th sense just tells me he'll fail against the bigger bowling teams come October, i can see someone like Chahal or Kuldeep Yadav troubling him.

 

[Forum363]

He does have good shots but my 6th sense just tells me he'll fail against the bigger bowling teams come October, i can see someone like Chahal or Kuldeep Yadav troubling him.

That’s the thing. Some of the shots he plays shows he has the ability to pick length early and great timing etc. So in theory if he applies himself well, he should be better at playing those bowlers.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

That’s the thing. Some of the shots he plays shows he has the ability to pick length early and great timing etc. So in theory if he applies himself well, he should be better at playing those bowlers.

Just don't know bro, i hope that he doesn't get manipulated to playing a different like we did with Ahmed Shehzad. Ahmed Shehzad was that stylish batsman that first really caught my eye, and he had a very Ponting-esque vibe about him but then all of a sudden he just became too slow, wasted too many deliveries in the powerplay and was out to a rash shot. It is that vibe i get about Haider Ali and best feel that he play domestic a little while longer because in India i don't think he'll succeed with all due respect.

 

[Last Monetarist]

Another low score today. Definitely not ready to play international cricket.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

No excuses for him in this series. Especially this 4th T20

 

[Line and Length]

Send him back to domestic cricket. Couldn’t have had an easier chance to see the team home and stay not out. Completely brainless.

 

[Muddaser]

Garbage. Always knew it.

Brainless hack.

 

[Greenstorm]

He has gift of time but still squanders it away by playing too far away from the body.

Just look at Babar's clips man or request him for a private net session. Haider has as much time as Babar but still bats like a tullaybaaz.

 

[IMMY69]

All he had to do was rotate the strike.
No big hits needed and what does he go and do?

Needs to be sent to Domestic and only brought back once he learns to make consistent runs.
I fear he mate just the intelligence to succeed, bit like Asif Ali

 

[Shoaibbtt]

I hate to tell you i told you so but i said to people that he's not ready for international level.

 

[Shafi]

This guy is another talent less hack and doesn't have any future. Just a blind slogger but not even have muscle power to slog properly.

 

[Shafi]

I hate to tell you i told you so but i said to people that he's not ready for international level.

He is not any international material at all.

 

[Saj]

Some work to do and the shot selection to sort.

Some good signs but also some concerns.

Not impressive at all of late.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Probably his last match in 2021 and rightly deserve

 

[gazza619]

I rather play Umar Akmal and Ahmed Shehzad then Haider Ali and Asif Ali.

Thats how poor these two have been!!!

 

[ekpakistani]

Stop this talent ** .... He has been given a decent run. We should stop picking passengers. At professional level we should expect and demand professionalism. Time to move on from Haider talent Ali.

 

[bujhee kom]

He should be dropped. Him, Ali and now Hafeez are not good enough. With 2 capable MO bats, this will be a serious team.

 

[Concerned]

Timid dismissals, back to the drawing board.

 

[PakEngFan]

He’s is talented for sure but very raw at the moment he needs to get back to domestics and work with yousuf.

 

[Kashmirilion]

Right now patience has run out

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Imagine India giving up on Rohit Sharma just because of his underwhelming start. Some players just need a bit of backing at the right stage of their careers. Haider needs that right now. Even Babar needed that backing in his test career. We shouldn’t give up so early on some of these new kids.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

Time to drop him .Too many chances. Too many. He has to go back to the drawing board and figure himself out. I don't want to hear no more "HAIDER NEEDS TO BE BACKED". If he can't even show any indication of improvement its time to drop him

 

[TheNightWatchman]

Imagine India giving up on Rohit Sharma just because of his underwhelming start. Some players just need a bit of backing at the right stage of their careers. Haider needs that right now. Even Babar needed that backing in his test career. We shouldn’t give up so early on some of these new kids.

Even Rohit was dropped when he wasn't ready. It took a while for him to get back in the team which he earned through hard work and determination. Time to drop Haider Ali because he clearly isn't ready yet. No more of this "back this kid". If he can't hang he needs to get out and make way for someone else