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[VIDEOS/PICTURES] Sahibzada Farhan - First impressions

Don’t think there will be much demand for him until he scores some big runs against the bigger teams.
 
I hope he does well. But with each outing I like him less and less. Just seems to be wafting and waiting for a bowler to feed him loose balls but at this level archer, bumrah rabada are not gonna feed him anything to waft at. The slightly short pitched on off is gonna be his downfall. He swipes across the line way too much as an opener without having a measure of the bowler or pitch. When you compare him to world class t20 openers he’s nowhere in the picture. As Pak fans we want our guys to do well and welcome runs however they come but even a blind person can see his technique is honed on facing spray guns in the domestic games. He has to find a way of scoring against good balls by metronomic bowlers.
 
Abid Z said:
I hope he does well. But with each outing I like him less and less. Just seems to be wafting and waiting for a bowler to feed him loose balls but at this level archer, bumrah rabada are not gonna feed him anything to waft at. The slightly short pitched on off is gonna be his downfall. He swipes across the line way too much as an opener without having a measure of the bowler or pitch. When you compare him to world class t20 openers he’s nowhere in the picture. As Pak fans we want our guys to do well and welcome runs however they come but even a blind person can see his technique is honed on facing spray guns in the domestic games. He has to find a way of scoring against good balls by metronomic bowlers.
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You don't need to have a water tight technique to score runs in t20is especially in PP. Just need to get better at clearing the inner circle which he is capable of. Faf used the same way to succeed as an opener in t20s as well.
 
Abid Z said:
I hope he does well. But with each outing I like him less and less. Just seems to be wafting and waiting for a bowler to feed him loose balls but at this level archer, bumrah rabada are not gonna feed him anything to waft at. The slightly short pitched on off is gonna be his downfall. He swipes across the line way too much as an opener without having a measure of the bowler or pitch. When you compare him to world class t20 openers he’s nowhere in the picture. As Pak fans we want our guys to do well and welcome runs however they come but even a blind person can see his technique is honed on facing spray guns in the domestic games. He has to find a way of scoring against good balls by metronomic bowlers.
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Short pitched delivery is his big weakness
 
BunnyRabbit said:
You don't need to have a water tight technique to score runs in t20is especially in PP. Just need to get better at clearing the inner circle which he is capable of. Faf used the same way to succeed as an opener in t20s as well.
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Faf is not a good example because his footwork for playing on the leg-side and playing on the off-side is the same. He clears his front leg the same way to access both sides but his technique is such that he is able to adjust well regardless of where the bowler bowls. This is one reason why he has found much success against pace in the powerplay. On top of that, Faf is a proper batsman who has been successful in all formats and obviously has a stronger base when it comes to batting.

Farhan is not the same and has a major technical weakness against the in-swinger that keeps low and the short ball. Technically he is probably more comparable to someone like Johnson Charles, who can be a highly destructive batter on his day but also go missing if there is something in the pitch. He prefers batting on low-bounce pitches.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Faf is not a good example because his footwork for playing on the leg-side and playing on the off-side is the same. He clears his front leg the same way to access both sides but his technique is such that he is able to adjust well regardless of where the bowler bowls. This is one reason why he has found much success against pace in the powerplay. On top of that, Faf is a proper batsman who has been successful in all formats and obviously has a stronger base when it comes to batting.

Farhan is not the same and has a major technical weakness against the in-swinger that keeps low and the short ball. Technically he is probably more comparable to someone like Johnson Charles, who can be a highly destructive batter on his day but also go missing if there is something in the pitch. He prefers batting on low-bounce pitches.
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I am talking about Faf from 2011-12 when he first started opening in the t20s. He found it easy to adjust and often said Fleming just told him to clear the inner circle in the PP. If you make it through, you'll be settled anyways.
Farhan has power. Definitely not the most technically solid batter. He is strong on both front and back foot, just needs to either look to either clear the inner circle or play grounded shots in the PP. once he's settled, he can clear the boundary easily.
His dismissal against India was a needless shot. He could have gotten away with looking to play a grounded shot there especially when he is playing across the line.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
You don't need to have a water tight technique to score runs in t20is especially in PP. Just need to get better at clearing the inner circle which he is capable of. Faf used the same way to succeed as an opener in t20s as well.
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Now you are putting words in peoples mouth. Nobody said water tight technique. That’s language reserved for test or Odis. In t20’s there is a license to be inventive granted but that doesn’t mean waft in thin air against good bowlers who by now understand his weaknesses. They will feed him short balls and put somebody on the long on boundary/cow corner but he doesn’t have a ramp shot or upper cut to get out of trouble. He’s a sitting duck against archer let alone rabada or bumrah.
 
Abid Z said:
Now you are putting words in peoples mouth. Nobody said water tight technique. That’s language reserved for test or Odis. In t20’s there is a license to be inventive granted but that doesn’t mean waft in thin air against good bowlers who by now understand his weaknesses. They will feed him short balls and put somebody on the long on boundary/cow corner but he doesn’t have a ramp shot or upper cut to get out of trouble. He’s a sitting duck against archer let alone rabada or bumrah.
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He did well against england today. You don't need ramp shots to be able to counter the pacers.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
He did well against england today. You don't need ramp shots to be able to counter the pacers.
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He did do well and it’s heartening to see he tried to play along the ground and went for 2’s. The hallmark of players at this level is adaptability. He will have to learn to be a 360 degree player and not just target the v area. Most strong batters qdk and hetmeyer etc can hit good balls for 6. We need more power hitting and clever hitting upfront
 
Abid Z said:
He did do well and it’s heartening to see he tried to play along the ground and went for 2’s. The hallmark of players at this level is adaptability. He will have to learn to be a 360 degree player and not just target the v area. Most strong batters qdk and hetmeyer etc can hit good balls for 6. We need more power hitting and clever hitting upfront
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Atleast he's making progress. That isn't something we see from Pakistani batters honestly. He atm is the lone warrior in the team. He needs a partner who can contribute as well. Saim has been a sitting duck for 1 year now apart from the 3 matches against Aus.
 
Abid Z said:
He did do well and it’s heartening to see he tried to play along the ground and went for 2’s. The hallmark of players at this level is adaptability. He will have to learn to be a 360 degree player and not just target the v area. Most strong batters qdk and hetmeyer etc can hit good balls for 6. We need more power hitting and clever hitting upfront
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He still have to play less dots which is a concern
 
Abid Z said:
Now you are putting words in peoples mouth. Nobody said water tight technique. That’s language reserved for test or Odis. In t20’s there is a license to be inventive granted but that doesn’t mean waft in thin air against good bowlers who by now understand his weaknesses. They will feed him short balls and put somebody on the long on boundary/cow corner but he doesn’t have a ramp shot or upper cut to get out of trouble. He’s a sitting duck against archer let alone rabada or bumrah.
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That weakness of his is pretty much a weakness for the entire batting lineup though. It's not specific to Farhan.

He does dominate spin and destroy half vollies.

It already makes him better than the alternatives , for now.

Shamyl Hussain looks pretty strong against the short ball but I don't know about his allround game

Saim can but his T20 game hasn't improved enough in the last 2 years and he keeps falling to that line outside off.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
That weakness of his is pretty much a weakness for the entire batting lineup though. It's not specific to Farhan.

He does dominate spin and destroy half vollies.

It already makes him better than the alternatives , for now.

Shamyl Hussain looks pretty strong against the short ball but I don't know about his allround game

Saim can but his T20 game hasn't improved enough in the last 2 years and he keeps falling to that line outside off.
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Well that’s true. Pak is miles behind other teams in that regard. I guess it’s the consequence of having substandard domestic structures players are tested in battle environments often enough.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Atleast he's making progress. That isn't something we see from Pakistani batters honestly. He atm is the lone warrior in the team. He needs a partner who can contribute as well. Saim has been a sitting duck for 1 year now apart from the 3 matches against Aus.
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Pak need two kind of batters. Those that play orthodox ground shots and knuckle down when needed and those that can hit good balls into scoring shots preferably clearing the boundary while giving respect to the match conditions and ground. Preferably these two would be rolled into one batter like harry brook. They have neither and that’s the problem. Dot balls become the default position which forces mistakes further down as they are just throwing the bat as balls dry up. Against Pak all teams have worked out a strategy. Good balls upfront, dry up the runs and they will crumble like a pack of cards due to dot ball pressure. This is where hesson strategy is very weak.
 
Abid Z said:
Well that’s true. Pak is miles behind other teams in that regard. I guess it’s the consequence of having substandard domestic structures players are tested in battle environments often enough.
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He is dravid /Yousuf kind of player.He needs a bigger star to convert the advantage to win.He can provide stability in sub continent but completely useless outside.Any good bowler can bog him down as both archer and rashid showed.unles he improves ,he cant be international material. He can be one of best pak batters considering pak mediocre standards for now.
 
Vikram1989 said:
He is dravid /Yousuf kind of player.He needs a bigger star to convert the advantage to win.He can provide stability in sub continent but completely useless outside.Any good bowler can bog him down as both archer and rashid showed.unles he improves ,he cant be international material. He can be one of best pak batters considering pak mediocre standards for now.
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That’s not true. Dravid/yousuf were two of the best batters of their era and country. Most Pak batters are just good sporadically in limited context. Once bowlers and opposite coaches figure them out they can’t adapt. Their replacements can’t often make the jump from domestic to international set up. Pak players switch to international leagues before playing first class so the gap widens. English players are constantly tested Pak players appear slow to develop. It’s been like that for over 20 years. Exceptions are there (misbah Younis) but those are the kind of players that have real hunger. Misbah from 2000-2006 really worked on his game. You don’t see babar doing the same. It’s too easy to play leagues.

But that’s t20. If we consider tests or Odis I think having dravid/yousuf type players would be a blessing. Most teams would give their right arm for a Dravid (in tests)
 
Abid Z said:
But that’s t20. If we consider tests or Odis I think having dravid/yousuf type players would be a blessing. Most teams would give their right arm for a Dravid (in tests)
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I was comparing their impact in limited formats only.i dont think both teams are blessed to have that kind of players since long back.no one wants to grind forever in domestic /county circuit to improved themselves.
 
shah9425 said:
He still have to play less dots which is a concern
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That’s def a concern for the whole team. 180 is a defensible score but often not enough. 200 is really good. 160 is about par on most grounds

This means out of the 120 balls Pak must score at 130, 150 or 160 collectively. Let’s say they only have 20 balls each in the top 6/7 to do that. The question becomes how many balls do you eat up? Some balls are genuinely too good to hit but others should be put away. Pak strategy of keeping wickets in hand and then going for big shots is a little old fashioned now. Bowlers have worked out tge a few good balls and wide of off stump Yorkers will just force a batsman to waste an over and they will start taking risks.
 
Abid Z said:
That’s def a concern for the whole team. 180 is a defensible score but often not enough. 200 is really good. 160 is about par on most grounds

This means out of the 120 balls Pak must score at 130, 150 or 160 collectively. Let’s say they only have 20 balls each in the top 6/7 to do that. The question becomes how many balls do you eat up? Some balls are genuinely too good to hit but others should be put away. Pak strategy of keeping wickets in hand and then going for big shots is a little old fashioned now. Bowlers have worked out tge a few good balls and wide of off stump Yorkers will just force a batsman to waste an over and they will start taking risks.
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Exactly obsession of taking game deep
Has been backfiring for years
We are miles behind in modern cricket
 
Vikram1989 said:
I was comparing their impact in limited formats only.i dont think both teams are blessed to have that kind of players since long back.no one wants to grind forever in domestic /county circuit to improved themselves.
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Both teams? Which both teams. From what I see Pak has a definite problem developing 12 players that can slot into even mid ranked teams. If you go position by position and compare with for instance newzealand, England or South Africa (let alone Australia or India) you begin to see that this is not a cohesive or world class unit. It’s very much like newzealand or England of early 2000’s. Lots of adequate individuals doing their best but not a team as such. People may say farhan is the best opener, fine but compare him to others (not Pakistani) and you see the problems. Then do the same with Saim and our number 3 Agha. The top 3 are markedly weak as a unit. They slash away or eat up dot balls.
 
Abid Z said:
Well that’s true. Pak is miles behind other teams in that regard. I guess it’s the consequence of having substandard domestic structures players are tested in battle environments often enough.
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The domestic set up was doing perfectly fine with the region based set up that was utilised during the PTI tenure.

Squads only included 20 odd quality players from each region which also then resulted in very high quality Limited Over cricket.

The domestic structure going back to this old and outdated system whereby anyone can get a game if well connected enough ,needless addition of more teams, has once again destroyed that quality.
 
Abid Z said:
Both teams? Which both teams.
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I was talking about lack of quality players like dravid, Yousuf in both pak and Indian Test teams.India is very good in t20 but not so in odi and tests.In tests, we are not sure when it will be settled. I am not expecting anything from pak test team as pcb itself is not much interested. They care about short cut and quick bucks.
 
If you don’t mind me saying I love India travelled there from England many times but I literally have no interest in what they do until they start playing Pak in bilateral series. They are just another contender like I literally don’t care what’s going on with West Indies.

That said I do wish India well as I do England but getting back to Pak, you can’t compare them to a no5 and no6 largest economy by gdp. Pak just don’t have the resources and they mismanage what resources they have. The fact that test cricket is in decline everywhere bar Australia and England means you will generally have the crash bang whollop type of t20 players instead of classists like Dravid. Just look at West Indies and Sri Lanka they have the same problems. Guys coming out waving the bat they might get to 200 or be all out for 70 odd. There actually needs to be more Odis to bridge Mickey Mouse cricket with real cricket that test all round skills not just bat speed.
 
Boy got his ODI cap today against Bangladesh... He should convert this chance into a permanent spot in ODIs as well.
 
As soon as the pitch started talking, Farhan was clueless.... I hope he can translate his domestic form in this format as well...

I have high hopes from him to succeed here.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Continues to minnow bash you mean because in T20s he has only done well vs non SENAI teams. Will you also run away from those stats like @RedwoodOriginal ? Nothing wrong with being a minnow basher but let us keep things in perspective.
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Didn’t he score a half century vs England in the WC? Also, he did pretty well against India in the Asia Cup too. I can understand one not liking a particular player for their own reasons, but at least put an argument based on facts. He’s one bright spot in your miserable batting lineup.
 
charlie007 said:
Didn’t he score a half century vs England in the WC? Also, he did pretty well against India in the Asia Cup too. I can understand one not liking a particular player for their own reasons, but at least put an argument based on facts. He’s one bright spot in your miserable batting lineup.
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Farhan vs SENAI (full career) in T20I:
18 innings average 20.8, SR 115.

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Farhan in T20 WC against SENAI:

2 innings, 31.5 average, SR 128.

Tell me more about your facts! Only fans of tullas like Agha and Farhan are Inds because these losers have 0 match winning innings vs Ind.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Farhan vs SENAI (full career) in T20I:
18 innings average 20.8, SR 115.

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Farhan in T20 WC against SENAI:

2 innings, 31.5 average, SR 128.

Tell me more about your facts! Only fans of tullas like Agha and Farhan are Inds because these losers have 0 match winning innings vs Ind.
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Give it some time, he has really just started and has shown decent promise. 18 innings is not a big career - who else is doing better in recent times in T20Is?
 
Registers a magnificent 50*(25) against Hyderabad Kingsmen in chase of 226 for his side Multan Sultans in PSL 11.
 
@RizwanT20Champ How happy do you think Steve Smith is that he gets to open the batting with a modern day white-ball batter like Farhan rather than an outdated, momentum sucking dot-ball merchant like Babar?
 
It was disappointing he didn't get any support in the Asia Cup final made a very good 50...... 160 would have been a winning score.
 
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