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[VIDEOS/ PICTURES] Virat Kohli has secured his position as an ATG

How the King turned into a court jester in Test cricket is a story in itself and doesn’t get enough traction because of Indian protectionism.
 
Kohli is face of world cricket even Olympic show his poster when they added cricket in Olympic .

Players come and go but Kohli legacy as GOAT cricketer already sealed .
 
Kohli is face of world cricket even Olympic show his poster when they added cricket in Olympic .

Players come and go but Kohli legacy as GOAT cricketer already sealed .
There is a difference between popularity and legacy. Kohli is India’s biggest star in the age of social media so that by default makes him the most popular/famous cricketer and therefore, he will be at the heart of any marketing campaign for cricket.

However, in terms of legacy, he has an average legacy in Test cricket and therefore, he is no longer even part of the GOAT debate.

The distant third best Test batsman of his generation and would struggle to get into the all time top 20 list.
 
The only thing he needs to do is average 50 in test cricket and he will be an ATG, his SENA record. Is quite balanced and so is his legacy as the GOAT ASIAN test captain.
 

"Extraordinary": Ex-British PM David Cameron Praises India Cricketer At NDTV World Summit​


Former British Prime Minister David Cameron praised Indian cricket team star batter Virat Kohli as an "extraordinary leader" at the NDTV World Summit. Cameron was asked to choose his favourite Indian cricketer and he went on to shower praise on Rahul Dravid and Virat Kohli. He started by saying that he is so old that he grew up watching the legendary spinner Bishan Singh Bedi and also recalled watching Rahul Dravid score a brilliant century in England. He went on to say that in Virat, India had an extraordinary leader and he showed incredible captaincy and inspiration on the field.

"I am so old that I grew up watching Bishan Bedi. I remember watching Rahul Dravid score a brilliant century in the UK. I remember sitting with John Major who is another Conservative Prime Minister who said - Watch this guy, he is very very good," Cameron said.

"I think in Virat Kohli, you had an extraordinary leader. Sometimes, you can see, as we have done with Ben Stokes as our captain, just incredible captaincy on the field and inspiration. I think you had that with Virat Kohli. So lots of great cricket players to watch. Obviously, some great British-Indian players coming through. In the years to come, you will see many British-Indian players coming through and taking on India and hopefully winning," the former British Prime Minister added.

Earlier, Virat Kohli joined an elite group of cricketers by scoring his 9,000th run in Test matches during a fluent 70 on day three of the first Test against New Zealand in Bengaluru.

Kohli, who batted at No. 3 for the second time in this Test, turned the tables after being dismissed for a duck in the first innings on October 17.

Prior to this match, Kohli had last batted at No. 3 in 2016 and had a modest average of 19.40 in that position. However, he showcased his class in the second innings, notching up his first Test half-century since December 2023. Alongside Sarfaraz Khan, Kohli forged a crucial partnership of 136 runs that revived India's innings.

Needing 53 runs to surpass the 9,000-run mark, Kohli reached his half-century off 70 balls, featuring five boundaries and a majestic six off Ajaz Patel. He then carefully accumulated the additional three runs needed to reach the milestone, taking a further nine balls.

According to Wisden, Kohli became the 18th player to score 9,000 runs in Test cricket and joined Joe Root and Steve Smith as the only active players in this exclusive club.

He also became the fourth Indian to achieve this feat, following in the footsteps of Sachin Tendulkar, Rahul Dravid, and Sunil Gavaskar.

Real King :kp
 
How the King turned into a court jester in Test cricket is a story in itself and doesn’t get enough traction because of Indian protectionism.

Do you think it’s Anushka’s fault you were always vocal about or was he not good enough for Tests as a complete player to begin with ?
 
Has any batsman destroyed his Test legacy as much as Kohli has in the last 5 years?

His Test record at the end of 2019 was sensational:

84 Tests
7k runs
27 hundreds
55 average

He was 31 at the time, and it looked inevitable that over the remaining 6-7 years of his career, he would end up with 12k runs, 40 centuries and 50+ average that would firmly place him in the same category as Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting.

However, he has been so awful in the last 5 years that he is now a bang average Test batsman with less than 10k runs at an underwhelming average of 48.

Considering his age and the trajectory in which his career is going, he has no chance of finishing with an above 50 average and any middle-order batsman who has a below 50 average in Test cricket cannot be counted amongst the greats.

He is rapidly relegating himself to the league of substandard Indian Test batsmen like Ganguly, Laxman, Azharuddin, Pujara etc.
 
Has any batsman destroyed his Test legacy as much as Kohli has in the last 5 years?

His Test record at the end of 2019 was sensational:

84 Tests
7k runs
27 hundreds
55 average

He was 31 at the time, and it looked inevitable that over the remaining 6-7 years of his career, he would end up with 12k runs, 40 centuries and 50+ average that would firmly place him in the same category as Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting.

However, he has been so awful in the last 5 years that he is now a bang average Test batsman with less than 10k runs at an underwhelming average of 48.

Considering his age and the trajectory in which his career is going, he has no chance of finishing with an above 50 average and any middle-order batsman who has a below 50 average in Test cricket cannot be counted amongst the greats.

He is rapidly relegating himself to the league of substandard Indian Test batsmen like Ganguly, Laxman, Azharuddin, Pujara etc.

His career is following the same downward trajectory as Ponting's. Even Ricky Ponting's batting stats towards the end of his career from 2008 to 2012 were far from impressive. Very rarely do you find batters who get better in their mid to late 30's, the only exception i can think off is Sangakara.
 
His career is following the same downward trajectory as Ponting's. Even Ricky Ponting's batting stats towards the end of his career from 2008 to 2012 were far from impressive. Very rarely do you find batters who get better in their mid to late 30's, the only exception i can think off is Sangakara.
Ponting still end up with 13k runs, 51 average and 41 centuries.

Kohli is not getting anywhere near that.
 
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Happy birthday to a legendary cricketer.

In odi he's one of the best cricketers of all time.

Overrated in test and t20 however.

But a great cricketer nonetheless
 
Happy birthday to a legendary cricketer.

In odi he's one of the best cricketers of all time.

Overrated in test and t20 however.

But a great cricketer nonetheless
He was not overrated in T20 . I watched his all the World T20 innings and he was amongst the best players.
 
He was not overrated in T20 . I watched his all the World T20 innings and he was amongst the best players.
He only had a golden era in t20 but it quickly faded.

Lonegetivoty counts. He was a corpse of a player in 2021-2022 and 2024. He'd produced a gem of an innings here and their but otherwise he was useless.

Odi is the only format he's remained consistently good in
 
He was an ATG before he played this series, but yes this performance has elevated his status and legacy further. Undoubtedly a top five batsman of all time material.
Correct. Agree with you finally. :kp
 
Over the years, I have read some terrible posts and some terribly biased posters. However, to claim that Williamson is better than Kohli is gobsmackingly ridiculous. Nonetheless, it is not particularly surprising when you consider the source.
:kp totally sir
 
Overall an ATG cricketer however his best format lost relevance during his playing career.
 
I do agree with this. Kohli is far better than Kane.
Stats are true reflection of player’s calibre I thought. :root

By the way, just an off topic question, when is the Indian Mamoon coming back again or gone forever? :sachin
 
Stats are true reflection of player’s calibre I thought. :root

By the way, just an off topic question, when is the Indian Mamoon coming back again or gone forever? :sachin
That is correct. Kane’s stats vs the top bowling units reflect his mediocrity as a batsman. He is better than Kohli at bashing weak attacks but worse than Kohli vs top attacks.
 
Virat can break one more record soon

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Two underrated but amazing batters, Lloyd averages near 50 in Australia after facing great bowling and is maybe the single finest player of spin bowling not from Asia but Kohli is perhaps the finest batter ever in countries like south Africa, discuss
 
Kohli is the biggest cocker the game has ever seen.
Any number for playing that many matches would have played some great, crucial innings for his team, but he keeps on falling again and again.

Get him a lead of 320/2 like Perth 2nd innings, put on Labu and Head as bowlers and he will score many more hundreds.
 
That is correct. Kane’s stats vs the top bowling units reflect his mediocrity as a batsman. He is better than Kohli at bashing weak attacks but worse than Kohli vs top attacks.

What is your opinion on this now?Kohli vs Kane?
 
I am happy reading many Indian posters have finally understood the fraude Kohli was. I was telling it here from years.
 
He only had a golden era in t20 but it quickly faded.

Lonegetivoty counts. He was a corpse of a player in 2021-2022 and 2024. He'd produced a gem of an innings here and their but otherwise he was useless.

Odi is the only format he's remained consistently good in
His golden era was when Aussies used to play Faulkner, Boland and Hastings as a T20 bowling attack.
He really was amazing against these guys.
 
The only thing he needs to do is average 50 in test cricket and he will be an ATG, his SENA record. Is quite balanced and so is his legacy as the GOAT ASIAN test captain.
Yeah ATG who averages over 50 Just in one country, his home.
He has to be a one of a kind ATG then.

But again I want to stress that his stats are far better than his actual quality as a batsman.
He has been the king of one thing, it's soft runs as he demonstrated even on this tour.
 
What is your opinion on this now?Kohli vs Kane?
Kohli is better.

Smith > Root > Kohli > Kane in Test.

In white ball, Kohli is obviously the best in this group. No doubt a legendary white ball batsman.
 
not even top 50 Test batters of all time honestly, not top ten test batters from England, considering how desperately he wants to be English.
 
Kohli is better.

Smith > Root > Kohli > Kane in Test.

In white ball, Kohli is obviously the best in this group. No doubt a legendary white ball batsman.
Yes, this is pretty much spot on.
As a Test Player it really is hard to look beyond Smith over the last fifteen years or so.
Kohli is the best all format player.
 
I gave him a lot of stick during the early part of his career but he has proved himself across forms as a match winning batter though I don’t have him in my top 3 like most people did, without a doubt the bets to come out of India. If Tendulkar is some people’s ATG, how is Kohli not an ATG despite being 10x the player ? The only blight on his record is not playing Pakistan in Tests, but now that Babar & Rizwan are back to their best in Tests, that shouldn’t be an issue, Pakistan vs India in the next WTC final.
 
I gave him a lot of stick during the early part of his career but he has proved himself across forms as a match winning batter though I don’t have him in my top 3 like most people did, without a doubt the bets to come out of India. If Tendulkar is some people’s ATG, how is Kohli not an ATG despite being 10x the player ? The only blight on his record is not playing Pakistan in Tests, but now that Babar & Rizwan are back to their best in Tests, that shouldn’t be an issue, Pakistan vs India in the next WTC final.
He would average 70+ against Pakistan. Look at his ODI and T20 stats on Pakistan. It is indeed blight because it would boost his test average to over 50.

Kohli has made achievements in test cricket, odi cricket and T20 cricket. He is the only player to truly master all formats.

If he is not GOAT then it is a crime.
 
He would average 70+ against Pakistan. Look at his ODI and T20 stats on Pakistan. It is indeed blight because it would boost his test average to over 50.

Kohli has made achievements in test cricket, odi cricket and T20 cricket. He is the only player to truly master all formats.

If he is not GOAT then it is a crime.

Tests are a different format as you are bare witnessing now, god forbid it could have plunged to around 40 given what a great Test side Pak were during his peak at home especially.
 
He has never been out of form in his favorite format and is ready to roar in the ICC Champions Trophy 2025

Virat Kohli in ODIs since 2020:

50 - Innings
2297 - runs
166* - High Score
51.04 - Average
94.57 - Strike Rate
7 - Hundreds
17 - Fifties
 
Most catches for India as a fielder in ODIs

157 - Virat Kohli (299 mat)

156 - Mohammad Azharuddin (334 mat)
140 - Sachin Tendulkar (463 mat)
124 - Rahul Dravid (340 mat)
102 - Suresh Raina (226 mat)

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Great groundfielder Virat bhai.

He drops a lot of catches too but gets way more
 
Virat Kohli joins Sachin Tendulkar and Kumar Sangakkara in the 14k ODI runs club.
 
Virat Kohli is the fastest to 8K, 9K, 10K, 11K, 12K, 13K & 14K runs in ODI cricket.
 
50 up for Virat Kohli against his favorite opponent Pakistan in the ICC Champions Trophy 2025 Dubai clash. Currently at 52*(63)
 
50 up for Virat Kohli against his favorite opponent Pakistan in the ICC Champions Trophy 2025 Dubai clash. Currently at 52*(63)
50+ scores in ICC ODI events

23 - Virat Kohli (51 inns)
23 - Sachin Tendulkar (58 inns)
18 - Rohit Sharma (40 inns)
17 - Kumar Sangakkara (56 inns)
16 - Ricky Ponting (60 inns)

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Days since the Fab 4 last made an ODI hundred:

  • Joe Root: 2081
  • Steve Smith: 896
  • Kane Williamson: 13
  • Virat Kohli: 0 (scored century after 466 days today)
Virat Kohli scored his 51st ODI hundred, 100*(111), against Pakistan in a group-stage encounter of the ICC Champions Trophy 2025
 
Kohli learnt his lesson from the drama when the team was focused on getting him his hundred last time around in a big tournament. He wasn't desperate for it this time, Hardik and Shreyas almost ensured it wouldn't happen and then destiny intervened to allow him the opportunity to showcase his skill that when the moment comes, when push comes to shove, he can smash a boundary at will.

There might have been something people might not have picked up because it wasn't shown as part of the main broadcast. I was watching it on Hotstar and there is a multicam option where the other camera is focused on Kohli throughout. He got to his 50 with a boundary and then took a single. At the non-striker's you could see him gesturing to the dressing room asking whether he should continue knocking it around or start smashing (he made a lofted drive gesture).

When you play for the team, personal landmarks will come.
 
Kohli learnt his lesson from the drama when the team was focused on getting him his hundred last time around in a big tournament. He wasn't desperate for it this time, Hardik and Shreyas almost ensured it wouldn't happen and then destiny intervened to allow him the opportunity to showcase his skill that when the moment comes, when push comes to shove, he can smash a boundary at will.

There might have been something people might not have picked up because it wasn't shown as part of the main broadcast. I was watching it on Hotstar and there is a multicam option where the other camera is focused on Kohli throughout. He got to his 50 with a boundary and then took a single. At the non-striker's you could see him gesturing to the dressing room asking whether he should continue knocking it around or start smashing (he made a lofted drive gesture).

When you play for the team, personal landmarks will come.
Probably Gambhir has something to do with it.
 
158 Catches taken by Virat Kohli in ODIs, the most as a fielder for India, going ahead of Mohammad Azharuddin's 156. Kohli ranks third in the overall ODI list, with Mahela Jayawardene (218) and Ricky Ponting (160) ahead of him.
 
Probably sealed his spot in the WC 2027 squad just for the Pakistan game.

Even as he's fading away, he's better than every Pakistani batsman right now.
 
Virat Kohli has entered his name in the history books on Sunday, February 23, by becoming the first Indian batter to score a century in the Champions Trophy against Pakistan.

Before Kohli, the record for the highest individual score by an Indian batter in a Champions Trophy match against Pakistan was in the name of Rohit Sharma. The current India captain scored 91 runs from 119 balls in the 2017 Champions Trophy match played between the two teams at Edgbaston in Birmingham on June 4, 2017.

Highest individual score for India in Champions Trophy against Pakistan

Virat Kohli:
100* off 117 balls in Dubai on February 23, 2025

Rohit Sharma: 91 from 119 balls in Birmingham on June 4, 2017

Virat Kohli: 81* from 68 balls in Birmingham on June 4, 2017

Rahul Dravid: 76 from 103 balls in Centurion on September 26, 2009

Hardik Pandya: 76 from 43 balls at The Oval on June 18, 2017
 
No he won't pass Sachin, odi isn't played as much now.
Kohli could have been on a march towards 110+ centuries or even 120 but he will end up at around 85 max.
He will be seen as the last great opportunity in cricket in overhauling Tendulkar's ODI records.
Root is the only real chance of anyone coming close to overhauling Sachin's all time career records in tests.
 
Kohli could have been on a march towards 110+ centuries or even 120 but he will end up at around 85 max.
He will be seen as the last great opportunity in cricket in overhauling Tendulkar's ODI records.
Root is the only real chance of anyone coming close to overhauling Sachin's all time career records in tests.
Play 200 test matches and most people are surpassing tenda's run tally.

I don't rate run tallies as a metric for determining who's > who. I rate their avg across countries.

For me

1) Bradman
2) Steve smith
3) Sachin

^^ These 3 are the gods of test cricket with no equal.
 
Play 200 test matches and most people are surpassing tenda's run tally.

I don't rate run tallies as a metric for determining who's > who. I rate their avg across countries.

For me

1) Bradman
2) Steve smith
3) Sachin

^^ These 3 are the gods of test cricket with no equal.
Linear extrapolation of matches played doesnt work bhai. Else toh Adam Voges and Kamindu Mendis are the 2nd greatest test cricketer of all times.
Records are records, rest are just your or mine subjective opinions. and we are not talking about our preferences here.
 
Linear extrapolation of matches played doesnt work bhai. Else toh Adam Voges and Kamindu Mendis are the 2nd greatest test cricketer of all times.
Records are records, rest are just your or mine subjective opinion.
This has nothing to do with anything I claimed.

In tests the gold standard of a batter is their performance in every country. The reason why guys like root, Pointing are rated below Sachin and Steve smith is due to one clown record in atleast one country, First Pointing it was India and for root it's aus where they avg 25 to 26 whereas smith and Sachin avg 40 or > in every country where they've managed to play a  Notable no of tests in.

similarly Kane Williamson despite avg 54 and having 33 test centuries in 103 test games + more runs which is way way way faster then smith and Sachin at the exact same stage, he's a circus clown in 4 test countries and bang avg in the rest and is the definition of a home track bully in tests.
 
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This has nothing to do with anything I claimed.

In tests the gold standard of a batter is their performance in every country. The reason why guys like root, Pointing are rated below Sachin and Steve smith is due to one clown record in atleast one country, First Pointing it was India and for root it's aus where they avg 25 to 26 whereas smith and Sachin avg 40 or > in every country where they've managed to play a  Notable no of tests in.

similarly Kane Williamson despite avg 54 and having 33 test centuries in 103 test games + more runs which is way way way faster then smith and Sachin at the exact same stage, he's a circus clown in 4 test countries and bang avg in the rest and is the definition of a home track bully in tests.
the topic was records of runs and centuries not your mental assessments on who is better.
No one asked who you consider the GOAT.
 
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Probably sealed his spot in the WC 2027 squad just for the Pakistan game.

Even as he's fading away, he's better than every Pakistani batsman right now.
No way he will.be in wc squad.there are enough youngsters to replace him.once rohit retires after ct, major issue for him will be only concentration on his failures.he cannot bear that much scrutiny alone.
 
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