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[VIDEOS/PICTURES] What went wrong with PIA flight PK 8303 (Airbus A320)?

Napa said:
At this point, with multiple pictures of the scrapes at the bottom of the engines and the runway available, it seems to be definitely established that the pilot did try an aborted belly landing in which both engines scraped the runway.

The question remains, did the pilots know that the landing gear was not down? It seems they reported the engines had failed (probably after they scraped the runway), but I haven't seen any report saying they informed the ATC controller that the landing gear was not down. One would expect that if they knew they should have informed the controller so that the ambulances, fire fighting trucks etc. would have been ready and waiting next to the runway.
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the landing gear not coming down is indicted by the 3 beeps heard in the convo recorded, however when the plane crashed landing gear can be seen as released, so it seems pilot forgot to release the landing gear completly in first landing attempt, and only realised when it was to late, also it was reported the plane landed right in the middle of the runway, whereas they should land in the first 1/3 of it, therefore it seems due to numerous errors, piliot simply hesitated and made one error after another. question needs to now lye with PIA and there hiring policy.
 
Could it be that pilots were rusty after the extended lockdown when they weren't flying coupled with fatigue and brain fog from fasting?
 
I read somewhere that the Pilot was fasting and he was working straight for 5 days. There should be a policy that enables pilot to get enough rest before a flight as this could rightly give the pilot ability for rational decision.

Blame lies solely with PIA for their hiring policy and training, rather than with the pilot.
 
ahmedzee said:
I read somewhere that the Pilot was fasting and he was working straight for 5 days. There should be a policy that enables pilot to get enough rest before a flight as this could rightly give the pilot ability for rational decision.

Blame lies solely with PIA for their hiring policy and training, rather than with the pilot.
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Also if there weren't so many houses near the airport they could have made a safety landing on empty land.
 
PetroDollars said:
the landing gear not coming down is indicted by the 3 beeps heard in the convo recorded, however when the plane crashed landing gear can be seen as released, so it seems pilot forgot to release the landing gear completly in first landing attempt, and only realised when it was to late, also it was reported the plane landed right in the middle of the runway, whereas they should land in the first 1/3 of it, therefore it seems due to numerous errors, piliot simply hesitated and made one error after another. question needs to now lye with PIA and there hiring policy.
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Yes, it does appear that when the began the first attempt they had forgotten to lower the landing gear. It could be that the pilot was distracted by the disagreement with the controller about whether he was too high and coming down too fast. As you write, there seems to have been a warning 3 beeps which the pilots did not notice or ignored. An advanced civilian airliner like the Airbus 320 would definitely have warnings for the pilots if they approached a landing without the gear down.

Ironically, lowering the landing gear in the second attempt contributed to the plane not being able to make it to the runway as it would have increased the drag. If the landing gear was not down on the second attempt then maybe the plane could have reached the runway and done a belly landing. It was at a low speed though, and would have struck the runway with considerable vertical velocity.

I don't think a few days fasting reduces a person's cognitive abilities, there are many examples to the contrary.

A tragedy for the deceased and their families, may they find peace.
 
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PARIS: The team of renowned plane manufacturing company, Airbus, arrived in Pakistan Tuesday to investigate the recent crash of one of its own manufactured aircraft in Karachi.

The team of technical advisers left for Pakistan on board special flight AEB1888 of Airbus A330 from French city, Toulouse. The team members will inspect the runway of Karachi airport and the mishap site.

The Pakistan International Airlines plane crashed into a narrow residential street in Karachi on Friday, damaging several houses in a densely-populated area in the vicinity of the airport. Of the 99 people aboard, 97 were killed and only two passengers survived.

Airbus will run an independent investigation into the crash, which reportedly happened due to an engine failure.

Soon after the crash, authorities had cordoned off the mishap site and banned the transfer of objects from there until the Airbus team arrived to carry out a formal investigation into the incident.

In an earlier letter, the Airbus team had said that they do not have any conclusive details regarding the crash.

The Pakistan International Airlines and Air France will also assist the plane manufacturer in the investigation.

The PK-8303 tragedy has become the third most-catastrophic aviation disaster in the country's history.

In a recent letter issued on Sunday to all airlines operating the A320 narrow-body jets, Airbus said it will provide full technical cooperation to the PIA, Air France, and engine manufacturer CFM International after the crash.

The ill-fated Airbus A320 plane was handed over to the PIA in 2014 and had completed 47,100 flight hours and 25,860 flight cycles until its crash.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/289842-airbus-team-to-arrive
 
PARIS: The team of renowned plane manufacturing company, Airbus, arrived in Pakistan Tuesday to investigate the recent crash of one of its own manufactured aircraft in Karachi.

The Airbus team visited the site were the PK-8303 flight crashed. The technical team inspected the houses that were damaged by the crash. Relevant officers of the civil aviation and PIA were summoned at the crash site.

The Airbus team was briefed about the crash by PIA and fire department officials. The Aircraft Accident and Investigation team were present with the Airbus technical team as well to ascertain the situation.

The technical experts studied the remains of the plane and inspected the engines, landing gear, wings and flight control system of the aircraft.

Airbus is conducting an independent investigation into the crash, which reportedly happened due to an engine failure.

The team of technical advisers left for Pakistan on board special flight AEB1888 of Airbus A330 from French city, Toulouse. The team members are expected to inspect the runway of Karachi airport as well.

Karachi plane crash: 97 killed, only two survive
The PIA plane crashed into a narrow residential street in Karachi on Friday, damaging several houses in a densely-populated area in the vicinity of the airport. Of the 99 people aboard, 97 were killed and only two passengers survived.

Soon after the crash, authorities had cordoned off the mishap site and banned the transfer of objects from there until the Airbus team arrived to carry out a formal investigation into the incident.

In an earlier letter, the Airbus team had said that they do not have any conclusive details regarding the crash.

The PIA and Air France will also assist the plane manufacturer in the investigation.

The PK-8303 tragedy has become the third most-catastrophic aviation disaster in the country's history.

In a recent letter issued on Sunday to all airlines operating the A320 narrow-body jets, Airbus said it will provide full technical cooperation to the PIA, Air France, and engine manufacturer CFM International after the crash.

The ill-fated Airbus A320 plane was handed over to the PIA in 2014 and had completed 47,100 flight hours and 25,860 flight cycles until its crash.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/289842-airbus-team-to-arrive
 
11 member Airbus team in Pakistan at the moment for investigations

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The crash site run over by all and sundry - totally compromised and Airbus guys in proper gear....


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PK-8303 crash: ATC, approach tower controllers submit written reply to probe board

KARACHI: The air traffic controller (ATC) and approach tower controllers have submitted written reply to the investigation board probing into Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) plane, PK-8303, crash incident, ARY News reported on Tuesday.

Major progress has been made in the investigation into PIA plane crash incident as ATC and approach tower controllers submitted their written responses before the aircraft accident and investigation.

It stated that the approach tower controller had handled the flight from Lahore to Karachi and the task was handed over to the ATC to make the plane safely landed at the airport. The landing task had been given by the approach tower to the ATC after 10 nautical miles.

The air traffic controller told the probe board that the captain neglected the instructions at 10 nautical miles as a plane needs to maintain 1,800-foot altitude before landing, whereas, the captain of the ill-fated plane had maintained 3,000 -foot altitude at that time.

It emerged that the captain asked the ATC that he will adjust its altitude and speed before landing, however, he landed the plane without opening landing gear during the first attempt. The ATC added that both engines of the aircraft were badly damaged after hitting the ground as the plane landed without opening landing gear. It seems that the captain forgot to open the landing gear while maintaining speed and altitude of the aircraft, said the air traffic controller.

Later, the captain had asked permission to land once again and informed the control tower that both engines of the aircraft were not working. The plane had been granted permission to land at the left side of runway number 25. According to the ATC and approach tower controller, the captain of the aircraft had been informed them regarding any kind of emergency. The captain had told the air traffic controller that he was calm and he will manage to land the aircraft.

On May 22, a Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) aircraft with more than 90 passengers and eight crew members on board had crashed in a residential area near Jinnah International Airport.

Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) officials confirmed the national flag carrier’s flight PK-8303 that was flying from Lahore to Karachi crashed in Model Colony. The plane crashed moments before expected landing at the Karachi airport.

https://arynews.tv/en/pk-8303-crash...trollers-submit-written-reply-to-probe-board/
 
KARACHI: A team of Airbus arrived in Karachi to assist the probe in Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) flight PK-8303 recent plane crash, visited the site of the crash on Tuesday, ARY News reported.

A team of 11 French experts landed in Karachi on a special Airbus 338 this morning to assist the investigation of the PIA plane crash in Karachi.

Except two survivors, all 97 passengers and crew members of the aircraft that crashed into a residential area near Karachi airport were confirmed dead. However, no resident of the Model Colony’s Jinnah Garden where the plane crashed was among the victims.

The experts visited the plane crash location and will also get briefing at the PIA Head Office.

Sources privy to the development said that the experts will also visit the runway of the Karachi airport and will see the footage of the cameras installed at the runway.

The team will leave for France tonight with the black box and parts of engine essential for the probe into the crash for further investigation.

It is to be mentioned here that the pilots international organization has also offered their technical assistance to the authorities in the probe.

An investigations team yesterday found the ‘voice date recorder’ of the Pakistan International Airlines plane (PIA) that crashed on Friday.

Sources said that the voice data recorder of the airliner found at the crash site in Karachi. The black box and the voice data recorder will be handed over to a team of Airbus experts to determine the cause of the plane crash.

https://arynews.tv/en/airbus-team-visits-pk-8303-crash-site-karachi/
 
International Federation of Air Line Pilots Association has offered to assist Enquiry Committee on PIA Crash at Karachi. This is what I have demanded to add PALPA, ICAO & a rep of Airbus into committee for transparent investigation.

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Islamabad: Pakistan is still in a state of shock and mourning over the death of 97 people, including crew members, on board the Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) Flight PK-8303 from Lahore to Karachi that went down moments before landing on May 22.

After the crash, while Pakistan’s Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) constituted a four-member probe committee and instructed it to conclude investigations within three months, Airbus, the manufacturer of the aircraft, an A-320, announced to conduct an independent inquiry into the accident and sent its team of technical experts to Pakistan.

The 11-member team of technical experts from Airbus, that arrived on Monday, spent a busy day on Tuesday and visited the crash site in Karachi’s Model Colony and collected evidences, recorded a video and spoke to officials from the Fire Department there.

The Airbus team examined various parts of the engine of the plane, its landing gear, wings and flight control system and took photos of the houses and buildings damaged by the crash.

Officials and staff members of PIA, its Flight Safety department and engineering wing briefed the French team about the past record of the airplane as well as its pilot. The team also simulated the entire flight operation of the ill-fated plane — from takeoff to its crash-landing — and discussed with the engineers and flight officers about their experience of handling the said Airbus plane.

Earlier, the probe team inspected the runway at Jinnah International Airport and also visited the air traffic control tower and radar control station.

The Airbus experts were expected to take the aircraft’s black box recorders along with them. They were scheduled to leave Pakistan late on Tuesday.

The black box comprises the plane’s flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder that are expected to contain vital technical details about the plane.

After the crash, The Netherlands-headquartered international aerospace company in a message on social media had announced it would run an independent investigation into the crash that was reportedly caused due to an engine failure.

Soon after the incident, Pakistani authorities had cordoned off the crash site and banned transfer of any object from the site until the Airbus team arrived to carry out its investigation, according to a report.

https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/pak...d-flight-operations-control-system-1.71693400
 
this video really explains it all, pilot was acting like he was playing a video game

Pakistani pilots are erratic so ATC must also be blamed for clearing him to land

 
These commissions and inquiries will not bring back the dead and ease the pain, suffering of those who lost their loved ones.

I once remember seeing a proposed airplane for the future where the top and bottom portion of the airplane would have such powerful parachutes that in the worst case scenario if the pilot ever lost control of the plane, he could activate the parachutes and therefore slowly guide the plane down to the ground therefore saving lives on the plane
 
sa88 said:
Blame lies squarely with PIA. It is flying aged planes, has a shocking safety record and is haemorrhaging billions of rupees that a poor country like Pakistan can ill-afford.

Some stats:

The age of the aircraft in question was 16 years. Average fleet age globally is around 10 years. In China, India and other parts of Asia it is less than 10. So PIA is flying old aircraft more prone to failure.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/751440/aviation-industry-aircraft-fleet-age-by-region/

More damning is the fact that PIA has the worst safety record in Asia and Asia has a worse safety record than Europe and North America. PIA has suffered 11 crashes since 1970 with 7.42 full loss equivalents.

http://www.airsafe.com/events/regions/asia.htm

I imagine if the investigations are done properly it is very likely that we will discover this accident was most likely preventable. But I doubt any action will result as people will ascribe this tragedy to fate ("un ka waqt a gaya tha") and move on.

Personally, I haven't flown PIA for 10 years and have no plans of ever doing so again. Anyone flying with this airline... good luck to you. Looks like you will need it.
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Poor post.

Ageing aircraft have nothing to do with safety records.
As long as your maintenance and inspection teams are doing their jobs you should be able to fly most aircraft these days. That is literally their job, to ensure that the aircraft remains in an airworthy state as governed by international standards set up by ICAO.

As far as PIA's safety record is concerned, that is no surprise to anyone. It has been a corrupt organisation for a while now.
 
If the pilot did indeed forget to deploy landing gears and ended up with damaged engines, then I'd say pilot error was a huge factor.

It is unbelievable that a pilot of his experience would forget something that would be second nature by now.

Seems from the picture above that the landing gear did deploy on the 2nd attempt to land but the engines were gone by then.

So was the landing gear faulty this whole time?
Or did the pilot forget in the 1st attempt and damaged his engines?

Big questions that won't have easy answers.
 
PetroDollars said:
this video really explains it all, pilot was acting like he was playing a video game

Pakistani pilots are erratic so ATC must also be blamed for clearing him to land

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so according to this video its clear that the plane came in way over speed and dropped altitude very rapidly causing instability. could that be a reason why the landing gear never deployed?
 
KARACHI: The technical team of the plane manufacturing company, Airbus, arrived at the site of the PIA aircraft crash on Wednesday to investigate the incident, sources informed Geo News.

The team, comprising technical experts, had arrived in Karachi on Tuesday to conduct an investigation into the PK8303 plane crash. They will continue with their probe today (Wednesday) as well.

According to sources, drone cameras will once again be used during the investigation at the site and the 11-member investigative team will use forensics today to probe the crash.

Moreover, sources added the team, along with a local investigative group, will focus on finding the cockpit recording today. A flight safety team of PIA will also accompany the Airbus team at the site of the crash.

After a green light from the Airbus team, the remains of the plane were moved from the site, including the cabin, tail and other parts to the airport, sources said.

Sources, however, added, the plane’s engine, landing gears would be shifted in a few days.

The shifting of the gear had been earlier halted due to the technical team’s investigation.

On Tuesday, the Airbus team was briefed about the crash by PIA and fire department officials. The Aircraft Accident and Investigation team were present with the Airbus technical team as well to ascertain the situation.

The technical experts had studied the remains of the plane and inspected the engines, landing gear, wings and flight control system of the aircraft.

The team had then inspected the Jinnah International Airport runway and later visited the control tower as well.

Airbus is conducting an independent investigation into the crash, which reportedly happened due to an engine failure.

Cockpit voice recorder of PIA flight PK-8303 still missing: spox
The cockpit voice recorder of the ill-fated PIA flight PK-8303, which crashed in a Karachi neighbourhood on Friday, had still not been found by Tuesday, a spokesperson of the airline had confirmed.

PIA spokesman Abdullah Hafeez Khan had said that hectic efforts were being made to recover the voice recorder from the crash site.

The airline spokesperson said that the recorder might have fallen into one of the houses in Model Colony area.

He had requested the residents to hand it over to the authorities if they found it in their houses. “Voice recorder is important for the plane crash inquiry,” Khan said.

He also advised the citizens against keeping anything of the aircraft at their homes as memorial saying this could be dangerous for their safety.

The airline had on Saturday said that the black box of the jetliner was found, which included both the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder.

Karachi plane crash: 97 killed, only two survive
The PIA plane crashed into a narrow residential street in Karachi on Friday, damaging several houses in a densely-populated area in the vicinity of the airport. Of the 99 people aboard, 97 were killed and only two passengers survived.

Soon after the crash, authorities had cordoned off the mishap site and banned the transfer of objects from there until the Airbus team arrived to carry out a formal investigation into the incident.

In an earlier letter, the Airbus team had said that they do not have any conclusive details regarding the crash.

The PIA and Air France will also assist the plane manufacturer in the investigation.

The PK-8303 tragedy has become the third most-catastrophic aviation disaster in the country's history.

In a recent letter issued on Sunday to all airlines operating the A320 narrow-body jets, Airbus said it will provide full technical cooperation to the PIA, Air France, and engine manufacturer CFM International after the crash.

The ill-fated Airbus A320 plane was handed over to the PIA in 2014 and had completed 47,100 flight hours and 25,860 flight cycles until its crash.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/290044-airbus-technical-team-arrives-at-site-to-probe-pia-plane-crash
 
Bilal_103 said:
so according to this video its clear that the plane came in way over speed and dropped altitude very rapidly causing instability. could that be a reason why the landing gear never deployed?
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absolutely, also it was deployed too late.

now the question is who to blame, is it pilots fault, or ATC for clearing him to land.
 
Reading all this, it seems like was due to pilot error. So strange as it was such a novice mistake for an experenced pilot like him.
 
The 11-member Airbus team extended their stay in Pakistan for another five days as they continued searching for cockpit voice recorder, reported 24NewsHD TV channel on Wednesday.

The French experts along with the PIA probe team searched the plane crash site for the missing item but couldn’t succeed as wreckage was removed from the area six days after the plane crash. They also used drones during the process and it is expected the special experts team will also transport the parts of plane wreckage and samples of instruments to France for investigation.

One part of the black box – digital satellite recorder – was found soon after the crash but the cockpit voice recorder is still missing. Sources say an attempt was made to decode the digital satellite recorder in Pakistan but the French experts expressed their reservations over the move and sent the instrument to France in a special flight. The investigators inspected the engine, landing gear and wings again. They also tried to determine from which direction the plane came and with which building it hit first.

Meanwhile, the plane parts were shifted to the airport by removing unnecessary wreckage from the destroyed passenger aircraft after the probe team allowed to do so. The Airbus team decided to stay in Pakistan for five more days as civil society too came into action over the tragic plane crash in Karachi, as an application was filed with the Model Colony Police Station, declaring PIA CEO Arshad Malik and others responsible for the death of 97 people.

The application filed by Rizwan Khanzada sought filing of a case against Malik, Aviation Minister Ghulam Sarwar Khan, PIA chief engineer and the relevant team. The applicant says the technical team as well as ground and flight engineers should also be nominated as why “the out-of-order plane” was allowed to fly. Why the ground engineer and his subordinates allowed the plane to fly if the engine was out-of-order, he added. Malik, Sarwar and others should be investigated over poor performance and negligence, he said, adding that those pushing the passengers into death must not be forgiven.

Earlier on Tuesday, Sindh Minister Saeed Ghani told a press conference in Karachi that the PIA and Civil Aviation Authority heads should be removed immediately. Describing the committee formed to probe the PIA plane crash just a drama, he also called for formation of an impartial inquiry commission. Malik is responsible for the crash, he said, adding that the probe could not be impartial as the CEO had already shared the details of investigation. Ghani accused Malik of terrifying the people so that no one could not speak up. The responsibility is being shifted to those who are now not in this world, said the PPP leader.

The Pakistan Airline Pilots Association (PALPA) members should be made part of the inquiry team, he stressed. Similar views about the committee were earlier expressed by PPP leader Nafisa Shah as the PALPA has already questioned the composition, expressing their doubts over the possible outcome.

https://www.24newshd.tv/27-May-2020/airbus-team-extends-stay-cockpit-voice-recorder-not-found
 
Government of Sindh has rejected investigation formed by federal government to probe Karachi plane crash and demanded removal of Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of Pakistan International Airlines and head of Civil Aviation Authority (CAA).

Saeed Ghani, while addressing a press conference with other provincial ministers, said that a dictatorship has been established within the PIA as those who raise their voice have been silenced by the administration.

Sindh minister Nasir Hussain said the DNA tests carried out in forensic laboratory of Karachi University take some time, expressing the hope that all tests will be completed in 10 days. He also assured that no negligence is being committed in treatment of the injured.

97 people were killed while two passengers survived when a PIA flight coming from Lahore to Karachi crashed in the Model Colony in Malir area near Jinnah International Airport in Karachi.

https://nation.com.pk/27-May-2020/saeed-ghani-demands-removal-of-ceo-pia-caa-head

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PK 8303 AP BLD Cockpit Voice Recorder has been found from the debris and handed over to AAIB team. This will be a key component in the Air Crash Investigation. PIA Teams were searching extensively for CVR aided by Airbus Team. <a href="https://t.co/fIxdz4QM8u">pic.twitter.com/fIxdz4QM8u</a></p>— PIA (@Official_PIA) <a href="https://twitter.com/Official_PIA/status/1265931568251576322?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 28, 2020</a></blockquote>
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Federal Aviation Minister Ghulam Sarwar Khan on Thursday said that a provisional investigation report on last week's plane crash, as well as previous crashes, will be made public by June 22 during the upcoming parliamentary sessions.

He made these remarks during a press conference in Islamabad, where he revealed that the prime minister met the inquiry board and directed them to conduct a thorough inquiry into the causes of the air crash.

A PIA plane — Airbus A-320 — carrying 99 people on board, had crashed into a residential area near Karachi airport last week, resulting in 97 casualties.

"There have been 12 plane crashes in our recent history, including the one last week. And when I briefed the prime minister on these accidents, he inquired as to why their investigative reports never come out on time," said Sarwar, adding that Prime Minister Imran's "main concern" right now is to ascertain the causes of these delays.

"As the aviation minister, I will, therefore, try my best to release a provisional investigation report during the parliamentary sessions by June 22," Sarwar said. He added that the said report will reveal not just the reasons for the recent crash in Karachi but will also "briefly" touch upon the reasons for the delay in the reports of previous air crashes.

He added that the forthcoming report will be "a free and fair" one because the members of the inquiry board were answerable to Allah.

The aviation minister also revealed that an 11-member team, comprising experts from Airbus and representatives from the French government and the engine manufacturers, had reached Karachi on May 26.

"They [the members of the team] are currently investigating the causes of the air crash. And they will share their findings with our inquiry board," Sarwar said.

DNA identification

Sarwar said that 51 dead bodies have been identified and handed over to the families until now and that the identification process will continue until all the results from the DNA tests have been received.

"It will take some time for all the bodies to be identified. But once that process is completed, we will hand over all the remaining dead bodies to the grieving families," he said.

Reiterating the government's support for the grieving families and of those residents who were directly affected by the crash, Sarwar said that he understands that monetary compensation isn't enough to recompense for the loss of the grieving families.

"We have announced that families of those who were killed would receive Rs1 million each while the two survivors would be given Rs500,000 each. But we know this isn't enough and therefore we will not rest until we have conducted a thorough inquiry into the crash," he said.

Sarwar said that the causes of the accident were a concern for the entire country and not just of those whose families had lost their loved ones.

"We are all deeply concerned as to why these crashes keep happening," he said.

The federal aviation minister also said that the government would offer compensation to the residents of the area whose houses were impacted by the crash.

"I met many aggrieved people on the ground when I visited the accident site," Sarwar said, as he announced that the government will start the rehabilitation process in the area once experts have concluded their estimates.

He paid tribute to the "passion and bravery" of the civilian volunteers who assisted the recovery operation on the day of the crash.

The aviation minister also urged people not to speculate on the causes of the air crash.

"I think the entire country should wait, be patient and wait for inquiry board to release their report."

Responding to a question on whether there was a technical fault that caused the accident, Sarwar requested TV anchors and journalists to refrain from discussing the technical aspects of the crash, saying that only the experts could answer their queries.

"Look, if there was a technical fault in the plane, it must have been recorded. In other words, we will find out one way or the other soon," Sarwar said.

"Voice and data records have been found. I believe one was found earlier today. French authorities will take these records back to France to decode them. There are technical questions that you or I can't answer. So we will wait for experts to tell us," he added.

Sarwar also said that the domestic flight operation has not been impacted in the aftermath of the accident.

"No, the domestic operation continues as usual. And PIA is also repatriating stranded overseas Pakistanis. In fact, we will soon increase the number of domestic flights," Sarwar concluded.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1559941/p...sh-to-be-made-public-by-june-22-ghulam-sarwar
 
ISLAMABAD/PARIS (Reuters) - The captain of a Pakistani airliner that crashed last week, killing 97 people on board, approached Karachi airport without announcing he couldn’t open his landing gear and hit the runway three times, a government minister said on Thursday.

Search teams recovered the cockpit voice recorder from the wreckage of the Pakistan International Airlines Airbus A320 that crashed into a residential neighbourhood of Karachi last Friday, a spokesman for the airline said. Two people on board survived.

Flight PK8303, from the eastern city of Lahore, came down less than a mile short of the runway as it was making a second attempt to land.

The flight data recorder has already been found.

Minister for Civil Aviation Ghulam Sarwar Khan told reporters the plane’s engines touched the ground three times on the first attempt at landing.

“The pilot never announced his landing gear wasn’t opening. He haphazardly touched the engines thrice with the ground,” Khan said.

“All marks are present (on the runway). He was not at the proper height... Control tower informed him you aren’t at the required height, lower your altitude,” he said, adding that the pilot replied: “I will manage.”

According to communications posted on liveatc.net, an aviation radio monitoring website, the pilot told controllers “we’re comfortable now” during the approach, but the reason for the remark has left most experts puzzled.

Shortly after the engines scraped along the runway in the aborted first landing attempt, the pilot reported problems in maintaining altitude, then said both engines had failed.

Investigators are expected to examine whether the engines shut down because of their collision with the runway, following what appeared to be a steeper and faster approach than normal.

The lower part of the engine housing contains key components including an accessory gearbox and hydraulic pumps.

“All sorts of things can happen to an engine if you bounce it down the runway,” a person familiar with its design said.

The engines were made by CFM International, a French-American venture co-owned by Safran and General Electric, and are among the most widely used in the industry with a strong overall record of reliability.

The recorders will be read in France by the BEA air accident agency, which is part of the Pakistan-led probe.

Safety experts caution it is too early to say what caused the crash and stress most accidents result from a cocktail of factors
 
This is very worrying if true.

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Fuel costs are important for airlines and I seem to remember reading they give a bonus to pilots who use less fuel.

The plane was too high and came down too fast. In doing so, the pilot seemed to have forgotten to lower the landing gear. At least he seemed to have ignored the continuous warning audio beeps. Was he concerned that if he turned around he would be penalized for using more fuel or simply for not having got the landing right the first time? If that is true then the rules need to be changed as they provide an incentive for dangerous behavior.
 
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This is very worrying if true.

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Fawad Chahudhry has left him traumatised. These (ex) anchors aren’t really trust worthy, so i would take his opinion with a large pinch of salt.
 
Work on flight data of crashed Pakistani airliner to start June 2 in France

KARACHI (Reuters) - Work on the flight data and cockpit voice recorders of a crashed Pakistani airliner will begin in France on June 2, investigators said on Saturday.

“The mission on site (of the crash) is about to be completed,” BEA, the French air safety investigation authority for civil aviation, said on Twitter. It added that Pakistani investigators would fly to France along with the French team.

Pakistan International Airlines flight PK8303, an Airbus A320, went down in the southern Pakistani city of Karachi last week, killing 97 of the 99 people on board. Under international aviation rules, BEA investigators joined the Pakistan-led inquiry because the 15-year-old jet was designed in France.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...liner-to-start-june-2-in-france-idUSKBN2360FC
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">(1/2) ⚠️ Accident <a href="https://twitter.com/Airbus?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Airbus</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/A320?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#A320</a> AP-BLD <a href="https://twitter.com/Official_PIA?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Official_PIA</a> / the mission on site is about to be completed / <a href="https://twitter.com/BEA_Aero?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BEA_Aero</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Airbus?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Airbus</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/SafranEngines?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SafranEngines</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/CFM_engines?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CFM_engines</a> & Pakistan’s AAIB team will then fly to France.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PIA8303?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PIA8303</a> <a href="https://t.co/IMKOUC4xLH">pic.twitter.com/IMKOUC4xLH</a></p>— BEA ✈️ &#55357;&#56961;&#55357;&#57065; &#55356;&#56811;&#55356;&#56823; (@BEA_Aero) <a href="https://twitter.com/BEA_Aero/status/1266630137258430465?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">(2/2) ⚠️ Accident <a href="https://twitter.com/Airbus?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Airbus</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/A320?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#A320</a> AP-BLD <a href="https://twitter.com/Official_PIA?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Official_PIA</a> / technical work on FDR & CVR will start at <a href="https://twitter.com/BEA_Aero?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BEA_Aero</a> 02/06/20 / <a href="https://twitter.com/BEA_Aero?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BEA_aero</a> thanks a lot AAIB from Pakistan for the coordination, organization and support provided.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PIA8303?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PIA8303</a></p>— BEA ✈️ &#55357;&#56961;&#55357;&#57065; &#55356;&#56811;&#55356;&#56823; (@BEA_Aero) <a href="https://twitter.com/BEA_Aero/status/1266630139468754945?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
KARACHI: The work of foreign investigators visiting Pakistan to collect and analyse evidence about the May 22 plane crash in Karachi is nearing completion and they will be leaving for France shortly.

An 11-member team of experts of Airbus, the manufacturer of the ill-fated A320, arrived in Karachi on May 26 to offer technical assistance in a probe into the crash of flight PK-8303 that claimed lives of 97 passengers and crewmembers. Only two passengers had survived the air crash.

The team alongside their Pakistani counterparts from the Aircraft Accident and Investigation Board (AAIB) continued their work on Saturday and, according to a tweet from France’s Bureau of Enquiry and Analysis for Civil Aviation Safety (BEA), “the mission on site is about to be completed”.

The team will take with it the flight data recorder (FDR) and cockpit voice recorder (CVR), the two components of the plane’s ‘black box’, to France to decode it in a bid to know the events that led to the crash of the Pakistan Interna¬tional Airlines (PIA) aircraft.

Twenty-three bodies of air crash victims remain to be identified.

A member of the AAIB along with the French team is due to leave for France on Monday as per standard practice for such probes, according to an official.

The BEA said in its tweet that after completion of the task the visiting team that comprises experts from BEA, Airbus and engine manufacturing companies Safran Aircraft Engines and CFM International along with “Pakistan’s AAIB will then fly to France”.

The tweet also said that “technical work on FDR and CVR” of the ill-fated aircraft would begin in France on June 2.

When a Twitter user asked how long the repair and download process of CVR and FDR typically takes, the BEA replied: “Minimum several days.”

The French air safety organisation thanked the AAIB for “the coordination, organisation and support provided” to the French experts.

The BEA also tweeted a photograph of the French and Pakistani investigators that it later clarified was not taken at the site of the crash but in front of a hangar where parts useful for investigation purposes were stored.

74 bodies identified
Twenty-three bodies of the crash victims have yet to be identified through DNA testing as a total of 74 bodies had been identified till Saturday night.

A PIA spokesperson said that 63 bodies had been handed over to their families for burial.

Sindh government’s spokesperson and chief minister’s law adviser Murtaza Wahab said that seven bodies had been identified by a laboratory in Punjab while a Karachi University lab had identified 22 bodies through DNA testing.

“So far, a total of 34 DNA cross-match analyses have been completed at the Sindh Forensic DNA and Serology Laboratory (SFDL) and their reports have been dispatched to the Sindh police department. The whole process would be completed by tomorrow night,” said an official of KU’s International Centre for Chemical and Biological Sciences.

He said that efforts were going on to identify the remaining victims at the earliest.

The airline has been providing Rs1 million to each affected family for making arrangements for the burial of their loved ones.

On Saturday, PIA sent six bodies, including those of First Officer Usman Azam, Flight Steward Abdul Qayyum Ashraf and Airhostess Amna Irfan, from Karachi to Lahore, where PIA employees offered their funeral prayers at the apron amid moving scenes, the spokesperson said.

He said that the body of Pilot Usman Azam was wrapped in the national flag.

The funeral prayers for another crash victim, Squadron Leader Zain Ul Arif Khan was offered at the PAF Faisal Base and he was laid to rest with full military honours at the PAF graveyard in Korangi Creek.

He was posted at the Air Headquarters, Islamabad, and was travelling to Karachi to celebrate Eid with his parents. His remains were identified with the help of DNA testing before handover to the PAF authorities for burial.

Deputy Chief of the Air Staff (Engineering) Air Vice Marshal Ahmad Hassan and Air Officer Commanding Southern Air Command Air Vice Marshal Abbas Ghumman, along with a large number of PAF personnel, civil and military officials and relatives of the martyred officer attended the funeral.

The funeral prayers for senior journalist Syed Ansar Naqvi, whose body was identified on Friday, were offered at a mosque at Askari IV, Gulistan-i-Jauhar. A large number of journalists and other media personnel attended the funeral.
 
Ji, Sir ji: Did PIA Flight 8303 crash because of Yes Sir culture?

This is not about the crash. This is about our societies.

Just why and how did PIA Flight 8303 crash in Karachi? We will know when the official probe reveals it. Initial findings point towards a series of pilot errors. The plane was not on its glide path but the captain, in his own words, was comfortable. The airspeed at touchdown was way beyond permissible limits. To top this, either his landing gear wasn’t down, or not locked in place, because Flight 8303’s engines scraped the runway asphalt, which probably caused enough damage to disable both engines during the go-round and the plane was lost.

I have heard the cockpit-ATC conversation too many times to not notice that there was a cultural angle to the crash. The shared culture of respecting the elders, just because they are senior in age and experience. The hierarchy, declared and undeclared, not only hampers growth and innovation but also leads to disasters.
I am not blaming the plane crash only on this or the captain but I suspect this played a role. It wasn't the pilot overruling anyone, it’s the others not speaking up. Respect, you see.

Here is the transcript since approach:

Pilot: We are comfortable... we can make it inshallah (This is when he has not stabilised, he is way high and has to descend too quickly because the flight is close to the airport)

ATC: [distorted]

Pilot: Sir, we are comfortable now and we are out of (altitude) 3500 (feet) for 3000, established ILS 25L (Still too high so he has to put the nose down to descend and this is adding to air speed)

ATC: Copy that. Turn left heading 180 (degrees)

Pilot: Sir, we are established on ILS 25L

ATC: Sir, you are 5 miles from touchdown, re-cleared passing 3000 for ILS

ATC: Pakistan 8303 clear to land on ILS 25L

Pilot: Roger Pakistan 8303

(This is when either ATC or the First Officer should have enforced a go-round, saying landing is too dangerous but... they attempt any way, and in this commotion of establishing on ILS 25L glide path, the pilots forget to drop the landing gear. Why forget? Because there is no mention of any technical glitch. No talk of landing on belly until after the botched attempt to land. There are warning chimes and we can assume visual alerts on the panel as well)

(TOUCH AND GO)

Pilot: Pakistan 8303 going around

ATC: Report reaching altitude 3500 feet

Pilot: Pakistan 8303, we would like to come again for ILS 25L (engine revving in the background, loud warning chimes heard)

ATC: Roger, turn left heading 110, climb 3000

Pilot: Left heading confirm

ATC: Affirm, left heading 110, climb 3000

Pilot: 110, climb 3000, Pakistan 8303

ATC: 8303, you are dumping altitude 2000

Pilot: Sir, we have uh…. Just give me 2000

ATC: Roger, maintain 2000

Pilot: Sir, copied sir, we are maintaining ... trying to maintain

ATC: Pakistan 8303, Approach.

Pilot: Ji, sir

ATC: Uh, appear to be turning left.

Pilot: Uh, we are proceeding direct, sir, we have lost engine.

ATC: Confirm you are carrying out belly landing?

Pilot: [Inaudible]

[Brief pause]

ATC: ... runway available to land at 25

Pilot: Roger.

[Brief pause]

Pilot: Mayday, mayday, mayday, Pakistan 830... 3.

ATC: Pakistan 8303, roger sir, both runways available to land.

(CRASH)

When you hear the recordings, you can’t but notice the tone of reverence in the ATC tower officer’s voice for a senior, experienced pilot, the captain of the Lahore-Karachi flight. He warns Captain Sajjad Gul at least thrice and the captain ignores, according to the data available, all three. This is not usual in aviation. Friendly banter is acceptable, but not following standard operating procedure is serious offence. The ATC is not firm in informing the cockpit of not following height and speed norms. The captain insists he is comfortable while being way above the stipulated height and speed; the officer at the control tower does not tell the captain that he is not. There are 98 other souls on the flight. The captain is in command and he should be, but when ATC could hear the warning chimes, one wonders why the officer on ground did not ask them to go round before the first attempt! This would have allowed the officer in the control tower to take a good look at the plane from outside. But yak na shud, do shud. Trouble never comes alone. The mistakes are compounding.

It takes two pilots to fly a commercial jetliner for a reason. The second pilot or first officer is equally skilled and trained, even if he/she has not clocked the same flying hours. In the entire cockpit-control tower conversation, you hear only a faint “Ji, Sir” from him. The flight was way above the required height, the landing speed was too hot, the warning chimes, the retracted landing gear and a comfortable captain. If the captain wasn’t seeing the instrument panel and hearing the beeps, why did First Officer Usman Azam allow the first landing itself? Was it because of the respect one must have for the senior/elder? If the boss is saying he’s comfortable, then how can I argue? The flight was aligned for landing, but at what angle did the captain think he can land? From the available data and the recordings, it’s clear the first officer went ahead with the captain’s confidence. The whole point of having another equally skilled pilot in the cockpit is that in case one takes a wrong step, the other can make it right. First Officer Azam is dead. Captain Gul is dead. They are not here to answer the queries. The questions will remain unanswered. The cockpit voice recorder will reveal the verbal exchange but no one will ever know what was going on in their minds.

The captain’s family confirmed that he was fasting, observing roza. This means not even water during the day. Commercial airlines do not allow pilots to fly if they are fasting. So why was he allowed to captain a passenger plane? Was it seniority? Was it experience? Was it because he’s so experienced he can fly a plane in sleep? We do not know if Captain Sajjad Gul had any associated medical conditions like diabetes, but fasting can bring down sugar levels drastically. We do know that low sugar level can affect decision-making, blurred vision and trigger severe anxiety. Did the captain’s roza cost 99 families their Eid? We will know when the investigation is complete.

This is not about the crash. This is about our societies. We have many disasters around us caused by this unquestioned respect culture. A number of social evils like dowry, infanticide, caste discrimination, religious bigotry, unwanted marriages, unwanted babies too, happen because elders impose their decisions on the younger generation who know better, but cannot say no to the elders. We have a respect culture but there’s something that has rotten over the years. It starts early, you know, when you are passionate about history but you have to go to Kota to mug physics because papa ka sapna hai. And then we hear young talents hanging from ceiling fans because they just didn’t want to do engineering. We should respect our elders and seniors, but not when they are visibly wrong. We can prevent many emotional, financial, material disasters and even lives, by simply standing up to a wrong. No matter who commits it.

https://www.dailyo.in/variety/pakis...-pia-flight-pakistan-crash/story/1/33008.html
 
KARACHI: A technical team of Airbus left for France on Monday after completing its investigation into the Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) flight PK-8303 plane crash that took place in Karachi on May 22.

PIA flight PK-8303 suffered a tragic air crash in Karachi last month, killing 97 people on board while two passengers survived miraculously. Under the international aviation rules, the BEA, the French air safety investigation authority joined the Pakistan-led inquiry because the 15-year-old jet was designed in France.

On May 26, a team of Airbus technical advisers arrived in Karachi from France to investigate the crash. According to aviation sources, the Airbus team collected all the necessary evidence from the site of the crash and inspected the runway before departing.

Sources added the Airbus technical advisers will prepare an initial report of the plane crash in France while work on decoding data from the flight recorder and cockpit voice recorder will begin from tomorrow.

Some members of the Pakistani investigation team will also travel to France for the decoding of the equipment.

In an earlier tweet, BEA had confirmed Pakistani investigators would fly to France along with the French team.

"Thanks a lot [Aircraft Accident and Investigation Board] AAIB from Pakistan for the coordination, organization and support provided."

The PIA plane crashed into a narrow residential street in Karachi, damaging several houses in a densely-populated area in the vicinity of the airport. Of the 99 people aboard, 97 were killed and only two passengers survived.

Soon after the crash, authorities had cordoned off the site and banned the transfer of objects from there until the Airbus team arrived to carry out a formal investigation into the incident.

The PK-8303 tragedy has become the third most-catastrophic aviation disaster in the country's history.

In a letter to all airlines operating the A320 narrow-body jets, Airbus said it will provide full technical cooperation to the PIA, Air France, and engine manufacturer CFM International after the crash.

The ill-fated Airbus A320 plane was handed over to the PIA in 2014 and had completed 47,100 flight hours and 25,860 flight cycles until its crash.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/290832-ai...fter-completing-pia-plane-crash-investigation
 
PARIS/KARACHI (Reuters) - Air crash investigators were en route from Pakistan to France on Monday with two ‘black box’ flight recorders of a Pakistani airliner that crashed in a residential area while trying to land in the port city of Karachi last month, airport officials said.

An Airbus test plane, unusually commissioned to transport the boxes because of disruption from the coronavirus crisis, was due to arrive on Monday afternoon at Le Bourget near Paris where France’s BEA air accident agency was standing by to open them.

The French agency is involved in the Pakistan-led probe because the crashed A320 was designed by France-based Airbus, and is additionally carrying out the crucial task of decoding the recorders because it has state-of-the-art equipment.

The A320 operated by Pakistan International Airlines crashed short of the runway on May 22, killing 97 people on board after the pilots reported the loss of both engines.

Two passengers survived and there were no reports of casualties on the ground. The crash site remained sealed off on Monday.

BEA experts are expected to open and download information from the boxes - one containing cockpit voice recordings and the other aircraft data - on Tuesday, subject to the recording chips being intact inside their crash-resistant shells.

Initial reports suggested the jetliner scraped its engines along the runway on a first attempt to land following what appeared to be an unstable approach, arriving steep and fast.

Investigators will analyse the cockpit data to try to understand whether damage to the engines from the first landing attempt caused them to cut out before the second attempt, leaving the airplane unable to make it to the airport perimeter.

Experts warn it is too early to say what caused the crash.

In Karachi, as officials continued to try to identify victims’ bodies using DNA samples, families took to social media to voice their grief at not being able to perform the last rites of their loved ones.

The airline said on Sunday problems in identifying victims were caused by delays in DNA identification outside its control.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...jet-head-to-france-for-analysis-idUSKBN23825Q
 
• French air safety body says data of black box successfully downloaded
• Palpa regrets release of limited details about crash, says it is tantamount to influencing ongoing probe

KARACHI/RAWALPINDI: While the French air safety organisation announced on Wednes*day that the data of the ill-fated PK-8303 black box was successfully downloaded and being analysed, the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) said in a letter to the Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) that the pilot of the crashed aircraft did not follow the instructions of the air-traffic controller (ATC).

On May 22, a PIA A320 plane, from Lahore to Karachi, crashed in a densely populated area near Karachi airport, killing 97 of the 99 passengers and crewmembers on board. A teenage girl on ground also died later.

The Sindh health department said in a tweet on Wednesday that 91 of the 97 bodies of plane crash victims had been identified and handed over to their families.

The June 2 letter from CAA official Iftikhar Ahmed to the PIA safety and quality assurance department, while pointing out “non-compliance of ATC instructions” by PK-8303, asked him to “ensure avoidance of recurrence of such situation in the interest of flight safety”.

A PIA spokesperson told Dawn that the national flag carrier would respond as per regulations.

Taking strong exception, the Pakistan Airlines Pilots Association (Palpa) said on Wednesday that release of limited details about the crash was tantamount to influencing the ongoing investigation.

The CAA letter said the duty approach controller had raised a non-compliance report in respect of the pilot of PK-8303. It claimed that the pilot was warned twice about his speed and high altitude for approach but he did not follow.

It said that PK-8303 was cleared to an altitude of 3,000 feet while entering the control zone that is 25 nautical miles (NM), but the aircraft was spotted at a high altitude of over 5,000 feet over Makli.

“The same was communicated to the pilot who reported comfortable for descent. Later, at 10NM pilot was again cautioned by offering an orbit to adjust his high altitude for approach, which he did not accept,” it added.

Quoting the approach controller, the letter read: “When aircraft was 7NM final from touchdown RWY [runway] 25L passing 5,200 feet, it was relatively high as per the standard approach profile. I instructed pilot twice to discontinue approach and turn left heading 180 [degree] which he did not comply and continued to proceed towards RWY 25L with his own discretion to establish ILS approach. I again warned aircraft at 05NM from touchdown which was passing 3,500 feet. At 04NM aircraft was observed approaching 1,300 feet with ground speed of 250 knots. Aircraft was observed passing runway threshold at ground speed of 210 knots.”

The CAA said the plane lifted up from the runway and crashed over Model Colony while attempting a second approach for runway 25-L.

Approach tower deals with the aircraft from the start of descend till it is five nautical miles and then hands over to local tower (Karachi tower in this case) after the final landing approach has been established. The local tower visually looks at the aircraft for landing gears, etc, and directs the landing. Once on the ground, the pilot is handed over to ground control, which then guides the pilot to parking.

A question, however, arises as to why the approach tower did not transfer the aircraft to Karachi tower, which could have physically seen if the landing gears were down or not when the pilot came in for first landing.

Data of FDR, CVR being analysed in France

The French Bureau of Enquiry and Analysis for Civil Aviation Safety (BEA) said in a tweet on Wednesday that the data of flight data recorder (FDR) and cockpit voice recorder (CVR) — the two components of a plane’s black box — was successfully downloaded by the BEA.

“Analysis of data in progress and will continue this week,” the BEA tweet said. It mentioned that it was doing so at the request of the Aircraft Accident and Investigation Board (AAIB) and any further communication in this regard would be made after “mutual concurrence”.

On Tuesday, the French air safety organisation said technical work was started in its lab in the presence of the AAIB president.

The BEA was part of an 11-member team of experts, sent by plane manufacturer Airbus, which came to Pakistan on May 26 and stayed here for a week and took part in the air crash probe. They left Karachi for Paris on Monday along with the FDR and CVR.

While the AAIB remained silent, the BEA tweet indicated that the Pakistani investigator who left for France along with French experts was Air Commodore Usman Ghani, the president of the AAIB.

Technical teams are consulting on retrieving an engine and the landing gear of PK-8303, which are still under the rubble at the roof of a multi-storey house in Model Colony.

A spokesman for Palpa on Wednesday asked the prime minister to ensure transparent and impartial investigations into the PIA plane crash. He said that releasing letters, reports, audios and videos from the organisations concerned was tantamount to influencing the ongoing investigation. “Only limited information pertains to pilot’s action are being released with ill intentions,” he said.

Palpa said the instructions of air-traffic controllers to the pilot of the ill-fated aircraft as well as the procedure adopted by the control tower in the second landing attempt also left a question mark. “Ill-planning, action taken against Palpa and other employees and officers of the association, and long flight duty hours affect the performance of pilots,” the spokesperson said.

Minister for Aviation Ghulam Sarwar had promised that the government would present the preliminary report on the plane crash in parliament on June 22.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1561122/crashed-planes-pilot-didnt-follow-atc-instructions-caa
 
LAHORE: The government has sought an explanation from the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) for writing a letter to the Pakistan International Airlines (PIA), which suggested the pilot of the airliner that crashed near Karachi airport last month did not follow the instructions of air-traffic controllers (ATC), saying this was the kind of information that had to be provided to the inquiry board.

“We have sought an explanation from the CAA official (for writing a letter to PIA implying that the pilot of the PK-8303 flight did not follow the instructions of ATC). As long as the inquiry report is not finalised, the official in question should not have spoken up (publicly). Whatever the official/CAA had to say should have been told to the four-member inquiry board probing the crash,” said Minister for Aviation Ghulam Sarwar Khan at a press conference on Thursday.

He was visiting the provincial capital to condole with the families of the PIA crew members who lost their lives in the air crash on May 22 that claimed the lives of 98 people.

The minister said that perhaps the CAA thought whatever was written in the letter was correct. “However, an explanation has been called in this regard,” he added.

Minister says the information should not have been made public before the finalisation of probe report

The June 2 letter sent by CAA official Iftikhar Ahmed to the PIA’s safety and quality assurance department, while pointing out “non-compliance of ATC instructions” by the pilot of the ill-fated aircraft, had asked it to ensure that such a situation was not repeated in future.

Sarwar Khan said that only three bodies of the plane’s passengers had yet to be identified for different reasons, like DNA not being matched.

He said that one girl on the ground also lost her life, while two others suffered burn injuries and had been given compensation amounts.

The minister said the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder were with the French team that visited Pakistan and data from the two recorders had successfully been downloaded. The government would make the preliminary report about the crash public on June 22.

“The plane crash will also be discussed in the forthcoming session of the National Assembly and we assure everyone that the probe will be fair and transparent,” he said, dismissing criticism of members of the inquiry board.

The release of the preliminary probe report on the Karachi incident would be followed by release of reports on the Chitral crash, Gilgit crash-landing, and crashes of the planes of Air Blue and Bhoja Air in Islamabad, he added.

Turning to the financial health of PIA, Sarwar Khan said: “The PIA planned to take its fleet from the existing 31 to 45 aircraft by 2023. But due to the coronavirus pandemic, the aviation industry has suffered a lot and the national flag carrier has been under a debt of Rs482 billion.”

On the issue of bringing back the Pakistanis stranded abroad, he said: “Although PIA has started special flights to bring them back from places in Africa, Australia and the US, where it does not operate direct flights, over 100,000 people are still waiting to return home. They have registered themselves with the Pakistani embassies and we will soon bring them back through special flights.”

Although the reporters were requested by the officials accompanying the minister not to talk about the National Accountability Bureau’s (NAB) inquiry about his assets, Sarwar Khan was nevertheless pressed to explain its status. “I welcome the NAB probe and want it (bureau) to investigate other cabinet members too. But at the same time, I will ask it to investigate the affairs of those who remained prime minister and chief minister for three times,” he said in response.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1561428/caa-asked-to-explain-letter-about-pilots-conduct-prior-to-crash
 
France's Bureau of Enquiry and Analysis for Civil Aviation Safety (BEA), in a statement on Friday, said that "technical work" to download and decode the flight data recorder information as well as the cockpit voice recorder data from the Airbus jet that had crashed in Pakistan is complete.

It said the work was carried out at the request of Pakistan's Aircraft Accident and Investigation Board (AAIB) and now analysis of the data will commence.

According to the statement by BEA, the Pakistan investigation board "will publish at a later date a preliminary statement on the event based on downloaded data".

It said that the Pakistan board "is leading the investigation" and the communication is "on their behalf".

Meanwhile, the aircraft manufacturer Airbus also issued a statement confirming that the blackbox data had been decoded.

"A technical review of the data is currently underway," said Airbus, adding that Pakistan's aircraft accident board will itself release an initial report on the findings.

What has emerged so far
Ninety-nine people were aboard the ill-fated PK-8303 PIA flight when the plane crashed on May 22 in a residential area near Karachi's Jinnah International Airport, a few moments before landing.

Except for two survivors, all others perished.

The Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) in a report issued on Tuesday has alleged that the PIA pilot violated landing protocol, reported The News.

According to the report, the pilot disregarded air traffic control's (ATC) direction to lower the altitude.

In his letter to the general manager (safety), the additional director of flight operations has stated the plane's altitude and speed were higher than the required limit for landing. The ATC had cautioned the pilot twice but he disregarded the warning.

During the ill-fated flight, the pilot made a first landing attempt and the plane briefly touched the ground multiple times, before attempting to land for a second time. Experts say the pilots likely tried to land the Airbus without lowering the wheels, damaging both engines so badly they soon failed.

On May 26, a team of Airbus technical advisers arrived in Karachi from France to investigate the crash. Under the international aviation rules, the BEA joined the Pakistan-led inquiry because the 15-year-old jet was designed in France.

Aviation minister Ghulam Sarwar has said that a full report of the plane crash might take four to six months. The provisional report, however, would be made public within this month.

The Airbus A320 plane was handed over to the PIA in 2014 and had completed 47,100 flight hours and 25,860 flight cycles until its crash.

The PK-8303 tragedy has become the third most-catastrophic aviation disaster in the country's history.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/291681-pi...wnload-flight-data-complete-analysis-underway
 
KARACHI: French investigators probing the May 22 Pakistan Intern*ational Airlines (PIA) plane crash have anno*unced that downloading and decoding of the black box of the ill-fated aircraft has been completed.

The French Bureau of Enquiry and Analysis for Civil Aviation Safety (BEA) on Friday said in a tweet that downloading and decoding of the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder, the two components of the PK-8303 black box, “has ended. Analysis will continue”.

It said that the Pakistan’s Aircraft Accident and Investigation Board (AAIB) “will publish at a later date a preliminary statement on the event based on downloaded data/ Pakistan’s AAIB is leading the investigation/current communication on their behalf”.

Aviation Minister Ghu*l*am Sarwar Khan had already announced that the preliminary report of the plane crash would be tabled in parliament on June 22.

Ninety-seven of the 99 passengers and crew members onboard the PIA flight were killed when the plane crashed into houses in Karachi’s Model Colony area on May 22. A teenage girl also lost her life on ground.

Airbus, being the manufacturer of the A320 aircraft had sent an 11-member team to Pakistan to offer technical assistance to AAIB investigators. The team had earlier this week left for France along with the FDR and CVR of the aircraft. AAIB President Air Commodore Usman Ghani also accompanied the French team.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1561627/decoding-of-pia-planes-black-box-completed-investigators
 
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RAWALPINDI: Airbus, the manufacturer of A320 aircraft, has said that the AIT (accident information transmission) on Pakistan International Airlines flight PK-8303, which crashed in Karachi on May 22, has been approved for release by the Pakistan Aircraft Accident Investigation Board (AAIB) and the French Bureau of Enquiry and Analysis (BEA) for Civil Aviation Safety.

Airbus said in a tweet: “The Flight Data Recorder (FDR) and Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR) were read out and analysed at BEA facilities in Paris France under the leadership of the Pakistan AAIB with participation from EASA, Safran Aircraft Engines (on behalf of CMF) and Airbus. Both recorders FDR and CVR provided valuable information for the investigation.”

It further said that based on the preliminary analysis of the available data (accident site information, ATC record, FDR and CVR), Airbus has no specific safety recommendation to raise at this stage of investigation.

Company says no specific safety recommendation can be raised at this stage

Chief Product Safety Officer Yannick Malinge said in his letter to all airlines operating A320 aircraft that Airbus would continue to provide official investigation authorities updates as appropriate.

Shortly after the PIA aircraft crashed in Karachi, the federal government notified a team headed by Air Commodore Mohammad Usman Ghani to investigate the incident.

Airbus had sent an 11-member team to Pakistan for providing technical assistance to Pakistani investigators. The French team and Air Commodore Ghani, along with FDR and CVR, had left for France to analyse the equipment which, they said, would provide valuable information to the investigators.

Sources said Air Commodore Ghani was scheduled to return to Islamabad on Sunday, along with details of the FDR and CVR.

The AAIB will present its preliminary report to the prime minister and the federal minister for aviation before making it public.

Aviation Minister Ghulam Sarwar Khan had already said that the government would present the preliminary report on the PIA aircraft crash in parliament on June 22.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1562003/valuable-information-received-from-recorders-for-probe-airbus
 
Minister for Aviation Ghulam Sarwar Khan said on Wednesday that the degrees and licenses of pilots should be regularly checked as in the previous tenures ‘fake degrees’ of pilots have been found out.

The aviation minister was addressing the National Assembly, where he said that there has been speculation that the inquiry regarding the ill-fated PIA flight Pk-8303 will not be transparent.

The minister told the House that the voice and data recorder box both have decoded, reiterating that the inquiry will be transparent.

“The incident that took place on May 22, its inquiry report will be presented on June 22 in this very House,” said Sarwar.

He mentioned that in the crashes that earlier happened, the reports were not very clear but in this case, things will have to be brought on the right track.

“Things will become better with assessment and accountability,” said the aviation minister.

The minister gave example of the other international airlines with hundreds of plane and a great number of destinations, lamenting that the PIA has only 31 planes in its fleet but still the incidents take place.

The minister said that some of the families refused to take compensation, whereas, those five families whose houses were destroyed in the crash, were also staying temporarily at a hotel arranged by the PIA administration.

The federal minister assured that after complete assessment of the damages, the compensation will be given to the affectees.

Last month, flight PK-8303 had crashed in a residential area near Karachi's Jinnah International Airport a few moments before landing.

Ninety-nine people were aboard the plane, including 85 passengers, of which two passengers miraculously survived the incident.

Parts of crashed plane shifted: PIA spokesman

A PIA spokesman earlier said that the heavier and difficult to retrieve parts of the crashed plane have been moved.

The wing and engine of the plane were lifted with the help of a heavy crane in the presence of technical experts, said the spokesman.

The engine was lying at the top of a multi-story building at the Model Colony, where the plane crashed.

The PIA coordinated with Port Qasim Authority to acquire heavy machinery to lift the parts of the plane, said the spokesman.

Sindh Rangers 42 Wing cordoned off the entire area to ensure safe transfer of the parts.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/292454-degrees-licenses-of-pilots-should-be-checked-aviation-minister
 
MenInG said:
Minister for Aviation Ghulam Sarwar Khan said on Wednesday that the degrees and licenses of pilots should be regularly checked as in the previous tenures ‘fake degrees’ of pilots have been found out.

The aviation minister was addressing the National Assembly, where he said that there has been speculation that the inquiry regarding the ill-fated PIA flight Pk-8303 will not be transparent.

The minister told the House that the voice and data recorder box both have decoded, reiterating that the inquiry will be transparent.

“The incident that took place on May 22, its inquiry report will be presented on June 22 in this very House,” said Sarwar.

He mentioned that in the crashes that earlier happened, the reports were not very clear but in this case, things will have to be brought on the right track.

“Things will become better with assessment and accountability,” said the aviation minister.

The minister gave example of the other international airlines with hundreds of plane and a great number of destinations, lamenting that the PIA has only 31 planes in its fleet but still the incidents take place.

The minister said that some of the families refused to take compensation, whereas, those five families whose houses were destroyed in the crash, were also staying temporarily at a hotel arranged by the PIA administration.

The federal minister assured that after complete assessment of the damages, the compensation will be given to the affectees.

Last month, flight PK-8303 had crashed in a residential area near Karachi's Jinnah International Airport a few moments before landing.

Ninety-nine people were aboard the plane, including 85 passengers, of which two passengers miraculously survived the incident.

Parts of crashed plane shifted: PIA spokesman

A PIA spokesman earlier said that the heavier and difficult to retrieve parts of the crashed plane have been moved.

The wing and engine of the plane were lifted with the help of a heavy crane in the presence of technical experts, said the spokesman.

The engine was lying at the top of a multi-story building at the Model Colony, where the plane crashed.

The PIA coordinated with Port Qasim Authority to acquire heavy machinery to lift the parts of the plane, said the spokesman.

Sindh Rangers 42 Wing cordoned off the entire area to ensure safe transfer of the parts.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/292454-degrees-licenses-of-pilots-should-be-checked-aviation-minister
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The PIA is full of political appointees. They have to be sacked and any recruits have to be recruited on open basis. The report must be transparent and quick.
 
Pakistan on Wednesday said it had sought technical assistance from Turkey's flag air carrier in an ongoing investigation into a plane crash that killed 98 people in the southern port city of Karachi last month.

Aviation Minister Ghulam Sarwar Khan said in parliament that a "senior pilot" from Turkish Airlines would soon join the investigators to ascertain if the crash was the result of technical or human error on the part of the plane's pilot, local broadcaster Geo News reported.

"We've requested from Turkish Airlines the services of a senior pilot in the ongoing investigation. He will soon join that (investigation)," Khan said.

On May 22, a Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) Airbus traveling from the northeastern city of Lahore crashed into a residential area near Jinnah International Airport while trying to land after the pilots reported the loss of both engines.

It had 99 passengers and crew on board. Some 97 passengers and a girl on the ground were killed in the crash, while two survived. Among the passengers were 20 women and three children, several army officers and senior journalist Ansar Naqvi.

Prime Minister Imran Khan formed a four-member committee to investigate the crash – the second since 2016.

Initial reports suggested the plane scraped its engines along the runway on a first attempt to land following what appeared to be an unstable approach, arriving steep and fast.

European plane-maker Airbus has also initiated an investigation into the crash. An 11-member team of Airbus experts and engineers visited the crash site last month and collected evidence.

Pakistani aviation authorities last week told PIA that the pilot of the plane had ignored air traffic control’s instructions for landing.

In a letter sent to PIA, the Civil Aviation Authority said an approach controller twice told the pilot to discontinue its approach as he came into land, but he did not comply.

As it neared the landing, the plane’s ground speed was above the runway threshold, the letter quoted the controller as saying.

It lifted up from the runway surface and crashed over Model Colony while attempting a second approach, the letter said.

The plane’s cockpit voice recorder and flight data box are being decoded in France by French air accident agency BEA.

Pakistan’s Aviation Minister Ghulam Sarwar Khan has said that an initial report on the crash will be presented to parliament on June 22.

Aviation safety experts say air crashes typically have multiple causes, and it is too early to determine the reasons behind the air disaster, which is Pakistan’s worst since 2012.

https://www.dailysabah.com/business...airlines-assistance-in-plane-crash-probe/news
 
RAWALPINDI: The government is due to present a provisional inquiry report on the May 22 crash of a Pakistan International Air*lines (PIA) flight in Karachi before parliament on Mon*day (today) as promised by federal Minister for Avia*tion Ghulam Sarwar Khan.

Responding to the opposition members’ speeches in the National Assembly on the crash of the PIA Airbus near Karachi airport, the minister had said that he would present the provisional investigation report on the incident before the house on June 22. He had declared that he would present in parliament the reports on the previous air crashes as well.

The PIA’s Lahore-Karachi flight PK-8303 carrying 99 passengers had crashed in a residential area near Karachi airport minutes before landing. Two passengers had miraculously survived in the accident.

Soon after the crash, the federal government had appointed a team headed by Air Commodore Mohammad Usman Ghani to investigate the plane crash. Besides, the Airbus company had sent an 11-member team to Pakistan for technical assistance to the local investigators.

The opposition parties, however, had rejected the inquiry committee questioning the inclusion of the representative of the Civil Aviation Authority in it.

Meanwhile, the flight data recorder (FDR) and cockpit voice recorder (CVR) have been been decoded in France and a report has been handed over the inquiry committee.

The Airbus company through a tweet said that “both recorders FDR and CVR provided valuable information for the investigation”.

The National Assembly and the Senate will resume their sittings on Monday (today) after a two-day recess for continuing general discussion on the federal budget for 2020-21 presented by the government on June 12.

https://dawn.com/news/3000960/plane-crash-probe-report-to-be-placed-before-na-today
 
ISLAMABAD (Dunya News) – Federal Minister for Aviation Ghulam Sarwar Khan on Monday has presented the preliminary investigation report on the Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) flight PK-8303 crash in Karachi to Prime Minister (PM) Imran Khan.

During the meeting, the minister has briefed the premier about the incident, saying CCTV footage showed that the ill-fated plane hit the runway after which, the pilot chose to go around (re-take off). Evidence of damages caused to both engines of the plane due to failed landing was also found, he told.

According to the report, the plane was fit for take-off and its landing gears were also working properly. The captain and first officer of the aircraft were well experienced and the weather at that time was also suitable for flying.

The preliminary investigation report has further blamed plane’s captain, crew members and the Air Traffic Controller (ATC) for the crash, while PIA and the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) have also been held responsible because of their inaccuracies in preventing such accidents.

The airport administration had told that the plane was flying at high altitude at the time of landing, the report revealed.

The inquiry report was prepared while keeping in view the investigation record, statements of staff and Airbus team’s report. Data flight recorders, cockpit voice recorders and flight records obtained from air traffic control are also part of the report.

It is pertinent to mention here that all but two of the 99 people on board a Pakistan International Airline (PIA) passenger plane were killed when it crashed into a residential neighborhood of Karachi.

The PIA plane had made multiple approaches to land at Karachi airport when it came down among houses.

The national carrier’s flight PK-8303 took off from Lahore Allama Iqbal International Airport and crashed in Model Colony area in Malir, approximately 4 kilometers away from the airport.

The plane came to rest about 2:39pm in a narrow alley in the poor and congested residential area known as Model Colony between houses smashed by its wings.

https://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/55...rash-report-to-be-presented-to-PM-Imran-today
 
A preliminary report on the Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) Flight No. PK-8303 crash in Karachi has held the pilot and air traffic controller responsible for the incident.

According to the report, investigators said he pilot did not follow the procedure and was overconfident. The air traffic controller was held equally responsible for the incident as he did not ask the pilot to make an emergency landing instead of taking off when the aircraft hit the runway.

The report has been prepared from evidence gathered from the cockpit voice recorder data, plane debris and other evidence collected from the crashed site by the probe team.

Aircraft Accident and Investigation Board (AAIB) led by Air Commodore Muhammad Usman Ghani has presented the preliminary report on the PK-8303 crash to Federal Aviation Minister Ghulam Sarwar Khan. The minister is expected to present the preliminary report to Prime Minister Imran Khan tomorrow.

The preliminary report on the PK-8303 crash has been prepared with the cockpit voice recorder data, planes debris and other evidence collected from the crashed site by the probe team.

https://dailytimes.com.pk/630397/pilot-air-traffic-controller-held-responsible-for-pia-crash/
 
There must be some further action to prevent this from happening, PIA crashes are far too frequent for a national airline or just any airline.
 
Aviation Division refutes PK-8303 reports aired on media, nothing released yet

ISLAMABAD: Aviation Division of the country has refuted various news stories airing on media channels and social media as possible investigative report of PIA’s flight PK-8303 crash, ARY News reported on Monday.

Spokesperson of the aviation division categorically stated that the institute has released no such investigative work on the national tragedy and termed the news stories being aired in their name by various news outlets as incorrect.

Multiple news media outlets of the country had run stories on the matter claiming that the investigative report compiled by the aviation division held the pilot and air traffic controller of the ill-fated PK-8303 crash responsible for the harrowing incident that engulfed 97 lives.

It must be noted that Prime Minister Imran Khan had asked the federal minister for aviation, Ghulam Sarwar Khan to produce the investigative report by Monday (today).

Ghulam Sarwar Khan had assured the prime minister of bringing forth the preliminary report and presenting it to the premier, sources privy to the development claimed in the past.

On May 22, flight PK-8303 crashed in Model Colony near the Jinnah International Airport in Karachi, two passengers miraculously survived out of the 99 onboard.

https://arynews.tv/en/aviation-division-refutes-pk-8303-reports-on-media/
 
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My main question is why was he given a broken plane to fly with in the first place?
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broken plane? he brought the plane down too quickly nearer the landing strip. He should have done a fly around (as advised by the controller) to gradually bring the plane down safely. Resulted in smacking both engines on the runway with both becoming faulty when he cranked them at 100% at the second attempt.
 
CCTV footage from ATC shows PK-8303’s landing gear was not down

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Since the day of crash, many different theories are being circulated as the cause of the crash. Earlier today, pictures that were taken from the Air Traffic Control’s tower surfaced which show that the aircraft’s gears were retracted at the time of touchdown however it is yet to be ascertained that whether the landing gears were in retracted position throughout the approach or were the retracted a little too early while executing a go around. The pictures show that the aircraft’s engines scraped off the surface of the runway and are engulfed in fire.

The aircraft is seen scraping off the runway while being engulfed in fire.

The initial report from Civil Aviation Authority said that the point of the aircraft’s impact with the runway was near Taxiway Delta and that is where it is said that the CCTV caught the footage of the aircraft’s touchdown.

Earlier today, some excerpts from the Preliminary Report of the crash also came up. According to sources, some of the findings are :

• A technical fault with aircraft’s systems can’t be ruled out

• Cockpit crew did not follow procedures and ignored ATC instructions.

• ATC failed to force cockpit crew to follow instructions.

• The aircraft should have been stopped when it touched the runway surface with retracted landing gear.

• Engines damaged by hitting runway surface failed after aircraft climbed again.

• The aircraft was not handed over to control tower by approach control.

• Damage engines' debris was also not removed from runway when the aircraft was making another attempt to land.

• PIA and CAA methods/procedures have also been blamed for their failure to control accidents/incidents.

The Preliminary crash investigation report prepared by Aircraft Accident Investigation Board (AAIB) will be presented by Aviation Minister Ghulam Sarwar Khan in the National Assembly on June 24.

https://www.brecorder.com/news/4000...-atc-shows-pk-8303s-landing-gear-was-not-down
 
This is incompetence at the highest level. Who allows such pilots to fly commercial aircrafts??? These people shouldn't even be driving ubers.

Then we get fed "Pakistan has the best pilots in the world" jazba crap.

How can a pilot make such a fundamental error then decide to go airborne again was he on drugs?
 
Its hard to believe that what kind of incompetent pilot was incharge that he took the plane off after scrapping the engines on runway in first attempt. If he would be just carried on with the 1st attempt, more lives would ve been saved.

This is just dumbness and incompetence of highest level. Nepotism, favouritism and political appointments ve eaten up every segment of public organisations. PIA CEO should be directly made responsible for this.
 
Can anyone explain the reason in simple words?

Couldn't understand from the news.
 
PIA aircraft crashed due to human error: report

Last month’s tragic crash of a Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) passenger plane in Karachi took place due to human errors – the negligence of both the cockpit crew as well as the air control tower – and not because of any technical fault.

There was apparently no technical fault in the aircraft, said the preliminary investigation report submitted to the Aviation Division in a high level meeting on Monday.

PIA flight PK8303, carrying 99 people including 8 crew members, crashed into a densely populated residential area near Karachi airport on May 22 as it was making its second attempt to land. 97 people perished in the accident that also caused considerable damage to the residential areas.

A day after the incident, the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) had notified an investigation team headed by its Aircraft Accident and Investigation Board (AAIB) President Air Commodore Usman Ghani

The team that also comprised Wing Commander Malik Imran, Technical Investigation Group Additional Director Captain Touqeer, Pakistan Air Force Safety Board Ops Investigator Kamran and Air Traffic Control Ops Joint Director Nasir Majeed was to submit its preliminary report on June 22.

On Monday Air Commodore Ghani gave a detailed briefing to the Aviation Division officials.

According to the report, the CAA officials, the cockpit crew, the control tower and the air traffic control repeatedly made mistakes. Sources privy to the document said the aircraft’s black box has so far not indicated the possibility of any technical fault.

The report said both the speed and the altitude of the aircraft was more than the recommended parameters when the pilot tried first landing. In the first landing, the aircraft touched the ground at the middle of 9,000 meter long runway.

The control tower permitted landing despite greater speed and altitude. The air traffic control also did not provide the control tower with the radio frequency.

The pilot also did not inform the control tower about jamming of the landing gears. It was also wrong decision on part of the pilot to attempt a second landing.

The plane stayed in the air for 17 minutes after the first landing attempt, a crucial time during which both the engines of the aircraft failed.

It said fragments of the PIA aircraft’s engine stayed on the runway for 12 hours but the air site unit did not collect them and later other aircrafts were allowed to land on the runway. This was a violation of the standard operating procedure as it could case damaged to other aircrafts.

According to the report the air traffic control officials should have been relieved after the incident but they continued to perform their duties till 7pm. It said the aircraft’s first engine was installed on February 25, 2019 while its second engine was installed on May 27, 2019.

All three landing gears of the aircraft were installed on October 18, 2014. The fateful plane was 16-year-old and was manufactured in 2004. The plane was included in the PIA fleet in October 2014.

Minister for Civil Aviation Ghulam Sarwar Khan Monday told the National Assembly that the interim report on the plane crash will be presented in the National Assembly on Wednesday. He confirmed that he has received the report and also shared it with Prime Minister Imran Khan.

“The report on the plane accident will be put before the house along with reports on other air crash incidents that occurred since 2010 including Air Blue and Bhoja airlines’ plane crashes in Islamabad, PIA plane crash in Gilgit and other plane accidents,” he said.

Meanwhile, the Aviation Division disowned the report aired by certain television channels regarding provisional inquiry report into the plane crash.

“Media friends are informed that couple of TV channels have been referring to a report regarding crash of PIA flight PK-8303. No such report has been issued by the Aviation Division,” spokesperson Abdul Sattar Khokhar said in a brief statement.

The report, being circulated through the two TV channels, was not from any authentic source, he added.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2248287/1-pia-aircraft-crashed-due-human-error-report/
 
Itachi said:
Can anyone explain the reason in simple words?

Couldn't understand from the news.
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The plane was coming in too high and fast. The air traffic controller pointed this out, at which point the pilot should have aborted the landing, circled around, and got to the correct glide path (safe height and speed for landing). He didn't.

In trying to make the landing from too high an altitude, the pilot also came in at too great a vertical descent speed. This probably distracted him and he forgot to lower the landing gear. This is really quite strange that both the pilot and co-pilot forgot to lower the landing gear and also apparently ignored the automated warnings from the airplane. As the pilot did not inform anyone on the ground that the gear was not lowered it seems he forgot rather than landing gear malfunction.

Debris on a runway is very dangerous, and other planes which landed later without the debris being cleared were at risk. An Air France Concorde crashed due to debris on the runway.

Modern airplanes require absolute adherence to procedures and there is no room for deviating from the rules.
 
Initial report finds human error on part of pilots, ATC officials in PIA crash: aviation minister

Aviation Minister Ghulam Sarwar Khan, while speaking in the National Assembly on Wednesday, said that the initial report of the Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) June 22 plane crash found the pilots and air traffic control (ATC) officials to be at fault for not following set procedures.

Khan said that both the pilots and the ATC ignored "standard protocols".

The PIA Airbus A320 crashed last month in Karachi's Model Colony, close to the Jinnah International Airport, killing all but two of the 99 aboard. Flight PK8303 from Lahore came down about a kilometre short of the runway on its second attempt to land.

According to Khan, there was no technical fault in the plane and both the pilots were medically fit to fly. He added that data from the Digital Flight Data Recorder (DFDR) and Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR) was decoded in the presence of foreign experts.

"According to the report, the plane was 100 per cent fit for flying. It had no technical fault. Flights were suspended due to corona, the plane took its first flight on May 7 and the crash happened on May 22. In between, it completed six flights successfully; five to and from Karachi and one to Sharjah.

"The pilot on the final approach did not identify any technical fault [as well]. At a distance of 10 miles from runway, the plane should have been at an altitude of 2,500 feet but it was around 7,220 feet. This was the first irregularity," Khan said.

He said that the ATC told the pilot thrice that the plane was too low to land but he refused to listen. Another important factor was that the pilot closed the landing gears at a distance of five nautical miles from the runway even though they were open before, he added.

Talking about further mistakes, Khan said that the plane was on auto-landing but the pilot brought it back to manual landing before the crash. It should have come in at 40 degrees but it dived at 60 degrees, he added.

The minister also blamed the pilots' "overconfidence and lack of focus" for the crash. "The pilots were discussing corona throughout the flight. They were not focused. They talked about corona [...] their families were affected. When the control tower asked him to increase the plane's height, the pilot said 'I'll manage'. There was overconfidence."

The minister, however, added that the control tower was at fault too for not pointing out the damage to the plane after a failed attempt at landing. "[Air traffic controller] should have informed when he saw the engines on fire. The control tower did not inform pilot [so it] was at fault too. When the plane took off again, both engines were damaged.

"He was an extremely experienced pilot. What is sad is that because of the overconfidence and lack of focus of pilot and co-pilot, such a big incident happened. The interim report says cabin crew and control tower were also at fault," he said, adding that the full report would be released before the end of the year.

The minister also spoke about past accidents, the Air Blue crash in 2010, Bojha Airlines crash in 2012, plane crash in Chitral in 2016 and the crash landing of a plane in Gilgit in 2019. He said that Air Blu and Bojha Airlines crash occurred due to "human error and various breaches of flying discipline".

He added that the technical fault in the Chitral incident was "so complicated" that the plane manufacturer itself has not been able to reach a conclusion yet. The minister, however, promised that its inquiry report would be presented in August of this year.

'Almost 40pc pilots have fake licenses'

The minister said that the government had observed that major airlines in other countries did not have such a history of crashes and therefore, started to investigate pilots. There are 860 active pilots in the country, he said, adding that of these 860, 262 pilots did not even take their exams themselves.

Decrying that pilots were not hired on merit, Khan said that fake degrees and licenses were issued. "Almost 40 per cent of pilots have fake licenses," he said, adding that they did not have flying experience either.

He added that the government had started to take action against all such pilots. "In the first phase, 54 such pilots were identified. Show cause notices were issued to 24 and nine others confessed that they were unqualified.

"I believe this issue should not be politicised. It is a matter of national security. The inquiry has been free, fair and transparent," he concluded.

Shortly after the crash last month, the government had formed a committee, headed by Air Commodore Usman Ghani, who is president of the Aircraft Accident Investigation Board to determine the causes of the crash and issue a report in one month's time.

An 11-member team of Airbus, the manufacturer of the A320 aircraft, had also visited the country and investigated the site of the incident to offer technical assistance to Pakistani investigators in the PK-8303 crash probe.

Earlier this month, the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) said in a letter to the PIA that the pilot of the crashed aircraft did not follow the instructions of the ATC.

The CAA letter said the duty approach controller had raised a non-compliance report in respect of the pilot of PK-8303. It claimed that the pilot was warned twice about his speed and high altitude for approach but he did not follow.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1564911/i...-atc-officials-in-pia-crash-aviation-minister
 
Always another angle to every story

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Islamabad, Pakistan - A commercial plane crash that killed 98 people in the southern Pakistani city of Karachi last month was primarily due to human error, according to an interim investigation report into the disaster.

Pakistan's aviation minister read out parts of the report and presented it to Parliament in the capital Islamabad on Wednesday.

"According to the initial investigative report, the pilot and the [air traffic] controller both did not adopt the proper procedure," said Ghulam Sarwar Khan.

The initial report was based on data from the aircraft's digital flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder, decoded by investigators in France earlier this month, days after the May 22 crash.

The report's accuracy has been disputed by the country's main pilot's body, the Pakistan Air Line Pilots Association (PALPA), according to a spokesperson.

Pakistan International Airlines flight PK-8303 crashed into a residential neighbourhood in Karachi, Pakistan's largest city, after an earlier aborted landing attempt, falling two kilometres (1.24 miles) short of the runway at the Jinnah International Airport.

Khan said the aircraft had been approaching the runway at an unsafe approach angle after ignoring air traffic control warnings to lower its altitude while still 10 nautical miles (18.5km) from the runway.

The pilot deployed his landing gear at that point, but flight data shows the gear was retracted again five nautical miles (9.3km) from the runway.

The aircraft scraped the ground on its aborted landing, the engines hitting the runway at least three times, initial reports indicated.

"On one side, the pilot ignored the controller's advice, and on the other side the controller did not tell the pilot about the damage to his engines after they scraped [the ground]."

The pilots then attempted to go around for another landing, but the plane was not able to gain altitude as its engines failed, causing it to plummet to the ground into the Model Colony residential neighbourhood.


Dozens killed in Pakistan passenger plane crash (3:34)
Ninety-seven of the 99 people on board the aircraft were killed, only two passengers surviving after they were thrown from the wreckage on first impact.


A child, who was in one of the 29 homes destroyed by the plane, was killed on the ground by the aircraft's impact.

Khan said the initial investigation had ruled out any technical faults in the aircraft.

"Based on this preliminary report, this [...] aircraft was 100 percent fit to fly," he said. "There was no technical fault of any kind in it."

'No clue'
PALPA responded to the report by disputing its findings, questioning its accuracy when none of the four members of the Pakistani Air Accident Investigation Board was a pilot rated to fly the Airbus A320 aircraft, the model of the crashed airliner.

"We have no clue about it, we have not even seen the report," PALPA spokesman Qasim Qadir told Al Jazeera.

"We have not at all been included in this, not even as a silent observer," Qadir said. "None of [the investigators] are rated on this plane or know this plane".

Wreckage of state-run Pakistan International Airlines plane lying amid houses of a residential district days after it crashed [EPA]

Speaking to Parliament, Aviation Minister Khan said Pakistan's air-crash investigators had been assisted by a 10-person international team, including members from France and the United States.

He said a "senior Turkish pilot" had been included as a technical adviser.

"There is free, fair and transparent investigation ongoing, and this is its preliminary report," he said.

The International Federation of Air Line Pilots Associations, which offered its technical assistance to the Pakistani investigation in a letter on May 24, did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the initial report.

According to Khan, "the pilot and co-pilot were not focused" and had been discussing the coronavirus pandemic when air traffic control first alerted them to their excessive altitude.

"[The pilot] listened in haste and replied that he would manage it. And then returned to talking about corona," said Khan.

"There was an overconfidence, unfortunately, and that focus and concentration was not there."

Khan also said air traffic controllers were also at fault during the failed initial landing.

"The controller is also negligent that when he saw the aircraft touch down on its engines and saw fire coming out of the engines, he should have informed [the pilot]," said Khan. "But the control tower did not inform the pilot."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...ed-98-blamed-human-error-200624101126457.html
 
The ATC should not have allowed the pilot to land when he knew that his approach was way off the mark.

In my opinion, both the pilot and the ATC are equally guilty.
 
This is horrible, just horrible. The so called best pilots in the world made some huge blunders in the last decade or so. It is so shameful to see the current state of Pakistani aviation. A state this huge should have a proper airline. No wonder why Pakistanis most often choose to fly with foreign airlines.
 
PIA’s problems are largely down to maintenance. PIA’s safety record is sketchy not because our pilots make too errors but because our plans suffer from technical faults more frequently.

Pilots of every airline are good. No airline throws untrained pilots into the cockpit. If you swap PIA and Emirates pilots, Emirates planes will suddenly not start dropping from the skies.

The most pathetic statement made by this fake degree Aviation minister was that the pilots were apparently not focused on the job because they were talking about COVID throughout the flight.

That is a load of **. If you take out the cockpit voice recordings of every flight, you will find that pilots engage in all sorts of talk. That doesn’t mean they are not focused on the job.

This minister probably thinks flying a commercial plane is the same as flying a fighter jet.

We need an independent report from Airbus. The script that our minister was reading from has been penned by our untrustworthy panel that is mostly comprised of PAF officers whose task is to engage in propaganda for our Arshad Malik.
 
Mamoon said:
The most pathetic statement made by this fake degree Aviation minister was that the pilots were apparently not focused on the job because they were talking about COVID throughout the flight.

That is a load of **. If you take out the cockpit voice recordings of every flight, you will find that pilots engage in all sorts of talk. That doesn’t mean they are not focused on the job.
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Are you aware of the Sterile Cockpit Rule?
 
Mamoon said:
PIA’s problems are largely down to maintenance. PIA’s safety record is sketchy not because our pilots make too errors but because our plans suffer from technical faults more frequently.

Pilots of every airline are good. No airline throws untrained pilots into the cockpit. If you swap PIA and Emirates pilots, Emirates planes will suddenly not start dropping from the skies.

The most pathetic statement made by this fake degree Aviation minister was that the pilots were apparently not focused on the job because they were talking about COVID throughout the flight.

That is a load of **. If you take out the cockpit voice recordings of every flight, you will find that pilots engage in all sorts of talk. That doesn’t mean they are not focused on the job.

This minister probably thinks flying a commercial plane is the same as flying a fighter jet.

We need an independent report from Airbus. The script that our minister was reading from has been penned by our untrustworthy panel that is mostly comprised of PAF officers whose task is to engage in propaganda for our Arshad Malik.
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Dude, there is a huge attitude problem in Pakistani cockpits. The Airblue and Bhoja air crash have been pilot faults, and this is the same again. Emirates pilots are wayyyy better trained, especially CRM. If they really forgot to lower the landing gear the first time or didn't contact the ATC regarding potential landing gear problems, u have no right to criticize the air force or minister. U cant deny the fact that pakistani pilots are wayyy overrated in our society.

Furthemore, most of the planes currently used are in good condition. All the A310s have been phased out.
 
owais1 said:
Dude, there is a huge attitude problem in Pakistani cockpits. The Airblue and Bhoja air crash have been pilot faults, and this is the same again. Emirates pilots are wayyyy better trained, especially CRM. If they really forgot to lower the landing gear the first time or didn't contact the ATC regarding potential landing gear problems, u have no right to criticize the air force or minister. U cant deny the fact that pakistani pilots are wayyy overrated in our society.

Furthemore, most of the planes currently used are in good condition. All the A310s have been phased out.
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Ignore this guy he just posts to trigger people. Hype man for this forum.
 
Aviation Minister Ghulam Sarwar Khan, while speaking in the National Assembly on Wednesday, said that the initial report of the Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) June 22 plane crash found the pilots and air traffic control (ATC) officials to be at fault for not following set procedures.

Khan said that both the pilots and the ATC ignored "standard protocols".

The PIA Airbus A320 crashed last month in Karachi's Model Colony, close to the Jinnah International Airport, killing all but two of the 99 aboard. Flight PK8303 from Lahore came down about a kilometre short of the runway on its second attempt to land.

Preliminary findings

While detailing the possible circumstances that culminated in the air crash, the preliminary investigation report states that the safety investigation was not meant to "apportion blame or liability".


"Accordingly, it is inappropriate to use AAIB [interim] investigation report to assign fault or blame or determine liability," it adds.

The preliminary report, seen by Dawn.com, found that:

The departure from Lahore and cruising flight of PK-8303 were uneventful. However, "The crew did not follow standard callouts and did not observe CRM ( Crew Resource Management) aspects during most parts of flight."
On its first approach, the aircraft was cleared to descend to 3,000 feet by the time it reached Makli. However, "the aircraft ended up higher than the required descend profile" and was at 9,780 feet and a speed of about 245 knots at Makli.
In order to manage the descent and lose the additional height, “OPEN DES” mode was selected via the Fuel Control Unit, both autopilots were disengaged and speed brakes were extended.
The 'Karachi Approach' tower, also called the air traffic control, advised the pilot to do an orbit so that the aircraft could be adjusted on the required descend profile. However, no orbit was executed and the landing approach was continued.
The landing gears were lowered at an altitude of 7,221 feet at around 10.5 nautical miles from runway 25L, according to flight data.
Karachi Approach advised the pilot "repeatedly" about the plane's excessive height but the landing approach was not discontinued. Instead, in a move termed by the aviation minister as "inexplicable", the plane's landing gears were raised and speed brakes were retracted when it was at a height of 1,740 feet and at a distance slightly less than five nautical miles from the runway. The plane then gave over-speed and ground proximity warnings.
Since the landing approach was continued, Karachi Approach instead of changing over the aircraft to 'Aerodrome Control' sought telephonic landing clearance from the Aerodrome Control, which conveyed a landing clearance for the aircraft "without observing the abnormality that the landing gears were not extended" to Karachi Approach. Subsequently, Karachi Approach cleared the aircraft to land.
According to the FDR and CVR recordings, "several warnings and alerts such as over-speed, landing gear not down and ground proximity alerts were disregarded" by the pilots. The landing was carried out with the landing gears retracted, leading to the aircraft engines scrubbing the runway surface at various points and suffering damage. Security footage showed sparks caused by the aircraft engines touching the runway while the scrubbing marks were also pictured on the runway.
The Aerodrome Control observed the scrubbing of engines with the runway but did not covey this abnormality to the aircraft. It was conveyed to the Karachi Approach via telephone, however, Karachi Approach did not relay this information to the aircraft.
The aircraft then discontinued landing and performed a go-around. At this point, data shows the landing gear lever was briefly switched to 'down' position, but it was immediately followed by its movement to 'up' position.
The pilot then conveyed his intention to make another landing approach on runway 25L, however, shortly after the go-around, both engines failed one by one. FDR data recording stopped at this point due to a design limitation.
With the aircraft unable to maintain the required height, the aircrew transmitted a Mayday call saying they had lost both the engines. The plane subsequently crashed about 1,340 metres short of the runway. It was a "slow-speed impact with [a] high angle of attack", with the landing gears extended.
Evidence from the wreckage indicates reasons for the failure of the right engine, however, the left engine requires further examination. Additionally, the landing gear in extended position "did not demonstrate any malfunction of the landing gear system".
The aircraft was "reportedly serviceable" for the flight; necessary scrutiny of the aircraft maintenance records is underway. The captain and first officer were "adequately qualified and experienced" to undertake the said flight.


'Overconfidence and lack of focus'
According to Khan, there was no technical fault in the plane and both the pilots were medically fit to fly. He added that data from the Digital Flight Data Recorder (DFDR) and Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR) was decoded in the presence of foreign experts.

"According to the report, the plane was 100 per cent fit for flying. It had no technical fault. Flights were suspended due to corona, the plane took its first flight on May 7 and the crash happened on May 22. In between, it completed six flights successfully; five to and from Karachi and one to Sharjah.

"The pilot on the final approach did not identify any technical fault [as well]. At a distance of 10 miles from runway, the plane should have been at an altitude of 2,500 feet but it was around 7,220 feet. This was the first irregularity," Khan said.

He said that the ATC told the pilot thrice that the plane was too high to land but he refused to listen. Another important factor was that the pilot closed the landing gears at a distance of five nautical miles from the runway even though they were open before, he added.

Talking about further mistakes, Khan said that the plane was on auto-landing but the pilot brought it back to manual landing before the crash. It should have come in at 40 degrees but it dived at 60 degrees, he added.

The minister also blamed the pilots' "overconfidence and lack of focus" for the crash. "The pilots were discussing corona throughout the flight. They were not focused. They talked about corona [...] their families were affected. When the control tower asked him to decrease the plane's height, the pilot said 'I'll manage'. There was overconfidence."

The preliminary report, a copy of which is available with Dawn.com, makes no mention of the pilots’ conversation or even that they were distracted as stated by the minister in the National Assembly.

The minister, however, added that the control tower was at fault too for not pointing out the damage to the plane after a failed attempt at landing. "[Air traffic controller] should have informed when he saw the engines on fire. The control tower did not inform pilot [so it] was at fault too. When the plane took off again, both engines were damaged.

"He was an extremely experienced pilot. What is sad is that because of the overconfidence and lack of focus of pilot and co-pilot, such a big incident happened. The interim report says cabin crew and control tower were also at fault," he said, adding that the full report would be released before the end of the year.

The minister also spoke about past accidents, the Air Blue crash in 2010, Bojha Airlines crash in 2012, plane crash in Chitral in 2016 and the crash landing of a plane in Gilgit in 2019. He said that Air Blue and Bojha Airlines crash occurred due to "human error and various breaches of flying discipline".

He added that the technical fault in the Chitral incident was "so complicated" that the plane manufacturer itself has not been able to reach a conclusion yet. The minister, however, promised that its inquiry report would be presented in August of this year.

'Almost 40pc pilots have fake licenses'
The minister said that the government had observed that major airlines in other countries did not have such a history of crashes and therefore, started to investigate pilots. There are 860 active pilots in the country, he said, adding that of these 860, 262 pilots did not even take their exams themselves.

Decrying that pilots were not hired on merit, Khan said that fake degrees and licenses were issued. "Almost 40 per cent of pilots have fake licenses," he said, adding that they did not have flying experience either.

He added that the government had started to take action against all such pilots. "In the first phase, 54 such pilots were identified. Show cause notices were issued to 24 and nine others confessed that they were unqualified.

"I believe this issue should not be politicised. It is a matter of national security. The inquiry has been free, fair and transparent," he concluded.

Shortly after the crash last month, the government had formed a committee, headed by Air Commodore Usman Ghani, who is president of the Aircraft Accident Investigation Board to determine the causes of the crash and issue a report in one month's time.

An 11-member team of Airbus, the manufacturer of the A320 aircraft, had also visited the country and investigated the site of the incident to offer technical assistance to Pakistani investigators in the PK-8303 crash probe.

Earlier this month, the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) said in a letter to the PIA that the pilot of the crashed aircraft did not follow the instructions of the ATC.

The CAA letter said the duty approach controller had raised a non-compliance report in respect of the pilot of PK-8303. It claimed that the pilot was warned twice about his speed and high altitude for approach but he did not follow.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1564911/i...-atc-officials-in-pia-crash-aviation-minister
 
Unfortunate, privatization is the way to go, this is where capitalism wipes the floor because of accountability. Only way airlines can be accountable is if the govn doesn't control them in South Asia, last 25 years(except for 9/11) have been safest to fly in developed countries.

Most South Asians expect the least from their governments, if any airlines had these many crashes they would be out business by now... except for Russian ones obviously.
 
owais1 said:
Dude, there is a huge attitude problem in Pakistani cockpits. The Airblue and Bhoja air crash have been pilot faults, and this is the same again. Emirates pilots are wayyyy better trained, especially CRM. If they really forgot to lower the landing gear the first time or didn't contact the ATC regarding potential landing gear problems, u have no right to criticize the air force or minister. U cant deny the fact that pakistani pilots are wayyy overrated in our society.

Furthemore, most of the planes currently used are in good condition. All the A310s have been phased out.
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Emirates pilots have had two issues as well(2004,2009) , they have been safe only in last 10 years, kudos t them for that.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">IK used to say if there’s train crash railway minister should be sacked. If there’s a plane crash aviation minister should be sacked. Now he blames pilot &airtraffic control for PIA crash. Victim blaming & scapegoatism must end. We demand an independent inquiry. Minister must go.</p>— BilawalBhuttoZardari (@BBhuttoZardari) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBhuttoZardari/status/1275764780666683393?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Mamoon said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">IK used to say if there’s train crash railway minister should be sacked. If there’s a plane crash aviation minister should be sacked. Now he blames pilot &airtraffic control for PIA crash. Victim blaming & scapegoatism must end. We demand an independent inquiry. Minister must go.</p>— BilawalBhuttoZardari (@BBhuttoZardari) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBhuttoZardari/status/1275764780666683393?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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His dad must go who instilled PIA with incompetent staff. Interesting to see the new govt getting blamed for the incompetence of the experienced former govts :)
 
Easy option to blame the pilots perhaps?
 
Saj said:
Easy option to blame the pilots perhaps?
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There were two things wrong the pilots did:

1) Came in too high for the landing instead of circling around to get on the right glide path. If they had to circle around they would have to admit they did not descend to the correct height by the time they were 10 miles away, and it seems they were reluctant to admit their mistake.

2) Tried to land without seeming to be aware that the landing gear was not down. If they were aware then they should have alerted the ground staff to prepare for a belly landing.

Any mistakes by others are insignificant compared to the above two mistakes.
 
how can a pilot not realize that the landing gear is not lowered? that seems like such a basic thing. aren't there alarms that go off in the cockpit if they are trying to land but the landing gear hasn't been lowered yet? this is so sad. so many lives needlessly lost
 
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