[VIDEOS] Ravindra Jadeja announces retirement from T20Is [Post Updated #258]

[MenInG]

His contribution in the current Test against Australia is nothing short of amazing but the fact is that this should not come as a surprise to people following his progress in international cricket.

Can anyone else match him in his utility to his side?

 

[Rightarmfast]

Just checked. He has performed abroad too. Especially Australia. Never expected when he had made his debut

 

[Devadwal]

Jadeja's batting avg since 2016: 45.02
Jadeja's bowling avg since 2016: 24.64

 

[dravidthewall]

Not spining allrounder .He is ATG allrounder along with benstokes

 

[Saurav]

Shakib and Ashwin are other contenders.

 

[Sachin136]

Even without "spinner" qualifier.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Both Ashwin and Jadeja are MVPs in Tests. Batting/Bowling. Jadeja also adds fielding dimension. He is a vastly improved batsman. On par with some of the best batsman in world cricket. Iyer/Pant/Jadeja/Ashwin those are 4 clutch players in the middle to lower order. Add sundar you got 5.

 

[docteurmanish]

Yes . He has surpassed ashwin and shakib . Has performed regularly against top sides . Currently no 1 ahead of ben stokes in tests , not as much valuable in t20 but handy . Odi he will be v important this World Cup .

 

[jnaveen1980]

Yes . He has surpassed ashwin and shakib . Has performed regularly against top sides . Currently no 1 ahead of ben stokes in tests , not as much valuable in t20 but handy . Odi he will be v important this World Cup .

He has developed a technique that virtually works in all conditions. Reminds me of Saurav Ganguly's second innings. He developed a fool proof defensive technique.

 

[Sir Alex]

Jadeja is the best all-rounder in test cricket and has been for a while. Stokes hardly bowls these days and throughout his career has been a good batter who bowls decently

Jadeja averages more than Stokes with the bat, and no comparison when it comes to bowling.

Jadeja will walk into any test side with his batting form of last five or six years as a specialist batsman. Add to that his ATG status among left arm offspinners, he is once in a generation all-rounder.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Jadeja is one of the few players Indian players that I wish was Pakistani.

He is what blessed in all facets really means.

 

[Buffet]

He has been the best all rounder for a while in the test format.

Jadeja will walk into every international teams as batsman.

Some posters may find it surprising, but only 10 batsmen since 2016 have 2K+ runs with Avg of 45+.


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Jadeja will also walk into every single team as a bowler.
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Only 7 bowlers have 150+ wickets at below 25 average.
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He is comfortably among the one the top 10 fielders as well. Forget about home, his away average bowling in same period has been 30 and away batting avg has been 36. Add his top class fielding. What else you can ask from an all rounder. Crucial performance in Aus series victory as well.


How many all rounders in history of cricket could walk into all international teams as batsman and as bowlers at same time and also be one of the best fielders in world? Sobers , who else?

Jadeja is right up there as the best all rounders in history.

 

[Mamoon]

Jadeja and Ashwin are the two best Asian Test all-rounders in history. They have surpassed Imran and Kapil.

 

[Ab Fan]

He was destined for greatness as soon as I created a thread that is he a test ATG some years back. Now he is making a case for himself in this format.

 

[Buffet]

How many all rounders in history of cricket could walk into all international teams as batsman and as bowlers at same time and also be one of the best fielders in world? Sobers , who else?

I think Botham was gun as bowler, batsman and fielder in his first half of his career. Its rare to see being so good in all 3 at the same time.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I think Botham was gun as bowler, batsman and fielder in his first half of his career. Its rare to see being so good in all 3 at the same time.

Kapil Dev hands down one of the best in that. Lone warrior, great lower order counter attacking batsman, His strike rate was 80 in Tests even in the 1980s. Also master of direct hits. He and Alan Border were amazing direct hit merchants. He could literally field in part of the ground (from slips to long on) and do equally well.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Shakib and Ashwin are other contenders.

Ashwin has the second highest man of the series awards in history in far less tests. Most by an Indian. Ultimate MVP in cricket history. Even at this age look at him. Saved a test in Sydney with bat. Won the test in bangladesh when India was starting at defeat. Nobody knew about his batting skills when he suddenly made 100s and bailed India out at the start of his career.

 

[Champ_Pal]

For a while Jaddu forgot how to bat and played like a headless chicken. He has discovered his batting again. I trust him more than many top order bats in Indian team. He is better than KL and dare I say Kohli too.

Ashwin also is a stalwart with the bat. India is lucky to have these two playing at the same time.

 

[Buffet]

For a while Jaddu forgot how to bat and played like a headless chicken. He has discovered his batting again. I trust him more than many top order bats in Indian team. He is better than KL and dare I say Kohli too.

Ashwin also is a stalwart with the bat. India is lucky to have these two playing at the same time.

India would have lost many tests if they were not so good with bat.

 

[Buffet]

Kapil Dev hands down one of the best in that. Lone warrior, great lower order counter attacking batsman, His strike rate was 80 in Tests even in the 1980s. Also master of direct hits. He and Alan Border were amazing direct hit merchants. He could literally field in part of the ground (from slips to long on) and do equally well.

Yah, he was a gun fielder.

 

[jnaveen1980]

India would have lost many tests if they were not so good with bat.

If Jaddu had batting ability of Tuffnell and Ashwin had batting ability of Murali India would have lost a whole lot of tests.

Example this one. This is Ashwin's 3rd test. 3rd innings. India was 259 runs behind with 6 down. 3 rank tailenders. Everyone thought even Ashwin was a rank tailender. He almost pulled off a win too with 2 to get in 1 ball and got run out. Took 9 wickets as well.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...vs-west-indies-3rd-test-535999/full-scorecard

 

[Sir Alex]

Jadeja basically means India is playing with a full extra player in the XI. To counterbalance this , India stuffs up its XI with half players like KL and SKY. So it's eventually a fair 11 vs 11 contest.

 

[Robert]

Jadeja is the best all-rounder in test cricket and has been for a while. Stokes hardly bowls these days and throughout his career has been a good batter who bowls decently

Jadeja averages more than Stokes with the bat, and no comparison when it comes to bowling.

Jadeja will walk into any test side with his batting form of last five or six years as a specialist batsman. Add to that his ATG status among left arm offspinners, he is once in a generation all-rounder.

Jadeja is largely a HTB. Only two of his eleven fivefers have come outside India. Just three centuries in sixty tests isn’t great, with <30 average overseas.

I don’t fear him when he comes to England. 46 average with the ball here.

 

[Robert]

How many all rounders in history of cricket could walk into all international teams as batsman and as bowlers at same time and also be one of the best fielders in world? Sobers , who else?

Miller
Sobers
Botham
Kapil
Kallis

Nobody else.

I’d say Imran, but he wasn’t an excellent fielder.

 

[kumjsr]

Jadeja is largely a HTB. Only two of his eleven fivefers have come outside India. Just three centuries in sixty tests isn’t great, with <30 average overseas.

I don’t fear him when he comes to England. 46 average with the ball here.

It's not unusual for specialist bowlers to have 2 5-fers outside home. At least his overall record is great and he ensures lot of wins at home.

For ex - Anderson had 3 5-fers outside England in first 100 tests.

Ben Stokes mostly hit and miss batsman. His average of 36 in tests is manageable only because other batsmen in England have been poor.

No one fears Stokes outside England either in test cricket.

Jadeja the batsman is more valuable than Stokes the bowler. Jadeja the bowler is not hit and miss like Stokes the batsman.

I mean you would hardly see Jadeja come up with performance like Ashes 2021, where Stokes scored runs at avg of 23 and picked up 4 wickets in 5 tests.

In comparison to that Jadeja scored 85 runs in 2 tests with 7 wickets. Surely Jadeja isn't effective like he is in subcontinent as bowler.

When England came to India, Stokes scored at avg of 25 in 4 tests and picked up 5 wickets. Nothing to show either as batsman or bowler.

When India toured England, surely you are not afraid of Jadeja who picked up 6 wickets in 4 tests, but he scored 1 century and runs at avg of 31.

Not to mention, Stokes can hardly match Jadeja's contribution at home.

 

[Ab Fan]

Elite test all rounders list :

1940s - Miller
1960s - Sobers
1970s - Proctor, T Greig
1980s - Imran, Hadlee, Kapil, Botham
1990s - S Pollock, Cairns
2000s - Kallis, Flintoff
2010s - Ashwin, Jadeja, Stokes, Shakib

 

[happydavy]

Best spin bowling all rounder perhaps but then it's such a small set of people. Most teams have 1 or 2 spinners playing in a test match and so we are talking about a small set of 10-11 cricketers and is he the best of that small lot, perhaps.

 

[Robert]

It's not unusual for specialist bowlers to have 2 5-fers outside home. At least his overall record is great and he ensures lot of wins at home.

For ex - Anderson had 3 5-fers outside England in first 100 tests.

Ben Stokes mostly hit and miss batsman. His average of 36 in tests is manageable only because other batsmen in England have been poor.

No one fears Stokes outside England either in test cricket.

Jadeja the batsman is more valuable than Stokes the bowler. Jadeja the bowler is not hit and miss like Stokes the batsman.

I mean you would hardly see Jadeja come up with performance like Ashes 2021, where Stokes scored runs at avg of 23 and picked up 4 wickets in 5 tests.

In comparison to that Jadeja scored 85 runs in 2 tests with 7 wickets. Surely Jadeja isn't effective like he is in subcontinent as bowler.

When England came to India, Stokes scored at avg of 25 in 4 tests and picked up 5 wickets. Nothing to show either as batsman or bowler.

When India toured England, surely you are not afraid of Jadeja who picked up 6 wickets in 4 tests, but he scored 1 century and runs at avg of 31.

Not to mention, Stokes can hardly match Jadeja's contribution at home.

I have always been critical of Anderson, and consider Stokes somewhat overrated.

Thread is about Jadeja, who is a HTB and not works class.

 

[light]

Shakib? the guy has been consistent for how long now? I still rate him higher than Jadeja as a true all-rounder.

If you ask me, there are two real all-rounders from the current lots now. One being Stokes, the other being Shakib.

 

[Ab Fan]

I have always been critical of Anderson, and consider Stokes somewhat overrated.

Thread is about Jadeja, who is a HTB and not works class.

Lol at Jadeja not being world class..

 

[Sir Alex]

Jadeja is largely a HTB. Only two of his eleven fivefers have come outside India. Just three centuries in sixty tests isn’t great, with <30 average overseas.

I don’t fear him when he comes to England. 46 average with the ball here.

How many career five fors.did Flintoff have ? Home and away ?

 

[kumjsr]

I have always been critical of Anderson, and consider Stokes somewhat overrated.

Thread is about Jadeja, who is a HTB and not works class.

Somewhat overrated!

Being critical is not the point. Point was even many world class bowlers haven't been able to perform better than Jadeja and create more impact.

No one fears Stokes in away games either.

At home he is just feared, nowhere close to impact what Jadeja can create at home.

 

[MenInG]

India spin bowler Ravindra Jadeja has been fined 25 per cent of his match fee for breaching Level 1 of the ICC Code of Conduct during the first Test against Australia in Nagpur on Thursday.

Jadeja was found to have breached Article 2.20 of the ICC Code of Conduct for Players and Player Support Personnel, which relates to displaying conduct that is contrary to the spirit of the game.

In addition to this, one demerit point has been added to Jadeja’s disciplinary record, for whom it was the first offence in a 24-month period.

The incident occurred in the 46th over of Australia’s first innings, when Jadeja applied a soothing cream to a swelling on the index finger of his bowling hand without asking for permission to do so from the on-field umpires.

Jadeja admitted the offence and accepted the sanction proposed by Andy Pycroft of the Emirates ICC Elite Panel of Match Referees, so there was no need for a formal hearing.

In reaching his decision to sanction the player along with the Level 1 sanction he imposed, the Match Referee was satisfied that the cream was applied to the finger purely for medical purposes. The cream was not applied as an artificial substance to the ball and consequently it did not change the condition of the ball, which would have been in breach of clause 41.3 of the ICC playing conditions – Unfair Play – The Match Ball – Changing its Condition.

On-field umpires Nitin Menon and Richard Illingworth, third umpire Michael Gough and fourth umpire KN Ananthapadmanabhan levelled the charge.

Level 1 breaches carry a minimum penalty of an official reprimand, a maximum penalty of 50 per cent of a player’s match fee, and one or two demerit points.

 

[Robert]

Lol at Jadeja not being world class..

World class by India standards I guess. Other nations set the bar higher.

 

[MenInG]

 

[Saurav]

World class by India standards I guess. Other nations set the bar higher.

top ranked ICC allrounder. Must be biased in favour of India

 

[Robbie]

World class by India standards I guess. Other nations set the bar higher.

In away conditions too he has much better stats than stokes /shakib and is a proven match winner.

No-one has been able to perform as good as he has done away from home than jadeja.. Stokes has just been a passenger away from home

 

[WengerOut]

World class by India standards I guess. Other nations set the bar higher.

World class is world class, not by any nation's standards or bar.

 

[Robert]

World class is world class, not by any nation's standards or bar.

To be truly world class one has to be able to do it in all conditions. Jadeja doesn’t.

 

[kumjsr]

To be truly world class one has to be able to do it in all conditions. Jadeja doesn’t.

Anyway this is thread about Jadeja being best all rounder.

Stokes isn't world class either.

Apart from Root, none of the English player is world class.

In fact England has produced only 4 world class players in last 40 years.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Hard to call Botham world class either given the standards being set. Didn't he get swept away in the Caribbean?

 

[Ab Fan]

To be truly world class one has to be able to do it in all conditions. Jadeja doesn’t.

He has done it in all conditions. You just chose to ignore.

He averages 21 with bowl and 43 with bat in Australia.

He averages 25 with bowl in South Africa with a 6-fer.

He hit a hundred in last test he played in England, has a 86 too earlier. Picked a 4-fer in Oval 2018 and got crucial wickets in Oval 2021 as well.

5-fer in Sri Lanka as well maintaining an average of 28 and 25 in Windies.

 

[Ab Fan]

With Jadeja, you are basically getting a Vernon Philander level test bowler and Imran Khan level test batsman.

Philander, for reference, has taken 16 wickets in 10 tests in Asia.

 

[Mainul]

Definitely. He is currently the best. Has been the best for quite some time now. Probably for last 4-5 years. Shakib has faded his colours for quite some time now. Ashwin is his close counterparts. Stokes' bowling in tests is not worthy at all. Shakib is still my number 3.

 

[Robert]

Anyway this is thread about Jadeja being best all rounder.

Stokes isn't world class either.

Apart from Root, none of the English player is world class.

In fact England has produced only 4 world class players in last 40 years.

So why deflect from Jadeja with all those England players?

 

[Robert]

With Jadeja, you are basically getting a Vernon Philander level test bowler and Imran Khan level test batsman.

Philander, for reference, has taken 16 wickets in 10 tests in Asia.

I’d always pick Imran the batter over Jadeja the batter, though both were red-ink merchants.

Difficult to compare a FM swinger with a spinner, but Philander was effective in England, unlike Jadeja.

 

[WengerOut]

I’d always pick Imran the batter over Jadeja the batter, though both were red-ink merchants.

Difficult to compare a FM swinger with a spinner, but Philander was effective in England, unlike Jadeja.

So what is special about a seam/swing bowler being effective in England?

 

[Robert]

How many career five fors.did Flintoff have ? Home and away ?

More deflection. Thread is about the HTB Jadeja.

There have been perhaps six world class ARs in history and the last was Kallis.

 

[Robert]

Elite test all rounders list :

1940s - Miller
1960s - Sobers
1970s - Proctor, T Greig
1980s - Imran, Hadlee, Kapil, Botham
1990s - S Pollock, Cairns
2000s - Kallis, Flintoff
2010s - Ashwin, Jadeja, Stokes, Shakib

I’m more stringent that this.

1950s - Miller

1960s - Sobers

1970s - nobody. Proctor hardly played tests and Greig averages north of 33 with the ball

1980s - Imran, Kapil, Botham

1990s - nobody

2000s - Kallis

2010s - nobody

 

[Robert]

He has done it in all conditions. You just chose to ignore.

He averages 21 with bowl and 43 with bat in Australia.

He averages 25 with bowl in South Africa with a 6-fer.

He hit a hundred in last test he played in England, has a 86 too earlier. Picked a 4-fer in Oval 2018 and got crucial wickets in Oval 2021 as well.

5-fer in Sri Lanka as well maintaining an average of 28 and 25 in Windies.

He has played four tests in Australia so not significant statistically.

SA batting is useless.

Average 46 with the ball in England.

Come to think of it, has *any* Indian spinner been effective in England? Bedi maybe?

 

[Saurav]

Hard to call Botham world class either given the standards being set. Didn't he get swept away in the Caribbean?

Botham averaged 14 with bat and 39 with ball in West Indies

not world class according to standards set here.

 

[WengerOut]

Botham averaged 14 with bat and 39 with ball in West Indies

not world class according to standards set here.

Botham was good in ENGLAND. That is all needed.

 

[Saurav]

I’m more stringent that this.

1950s - Miller

1960s - Sobers

1970s - nobody. Proctor hardly played tests and Greig averages north of 33 with the ball

1980s - Imran, Kapil, Botham

1990s - nobody

2000s - Kallis

2010s - nobody

how is Botham 'world class' despite failing in WI with both bat and ball

 

[IAJ]

Amazing cricketer. Has been out of action for a long time, comes back and gives a match-winning performance, well done.

 

[Ab Fan]

I’d always pick Imran the batter over Jadeja the batter, though both were red-ink merchants.

Difficult to compare a FM swinger with a spinner, but Philander was effective in England, unlike Jadeja.

Jadeja is by no means lesser in terms of batting.

Jadeja is effective in Australia, South Africa, Sri Lanka and West Indies apart from India too.. Philander had 16 wickets in 10 tests in Asia and was poor in India. Jadeja is effective in more venues actually than Philander is who also didn't do great in Australia.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Jadeja is by no means lesser in terms of batting.

Jadeja is effective in Australia, South Africa, Sri Lanka and West Indies apart from India too.. Philander had 16 wickets in 10 tests in Asia and was poor in India. Jadeja is effective in more venues actually than Philander is who also didn't do great in Australia.

Current Jadeja is a completely different Jadeja 7 or 8 years back. His batting is good enough to play purely as a batsman.

 

[Robert]

Botham was good in ENGLAND. That is all needed.

And *very* good in India.

 

[WengerOut]

And *very* good in India.

Apparently not in WI

 

[Robert]

Apparently not in WI

Botham’s record in WI detracts from his record, certainly. But averaging close on 70 with the bat and around 25 with the ball in India must count for something, and he was effective against powerful sides in Australia too, and against Hadlee in his yard.

But there were very few who did well in WI in that period, certainly with the bat. The two Caribbean pace quartets were unmatched in the world before or since. Kapil is a standout, which is odd because he was not very effective in England where you’d think a FM swinger would do very well.

 

[Sir Alex]

I’m more stringent that this.

1950s - Miller

1960s - Sobers

1970s - nobody. Proctor hardly played tests and Greig averages north of 33 with the ball

1980s - Imran, Kapil, Botham

1990s - nobody

2000s - Kallis

2010s - nobody

Kallis the bowler has nothing of note playing in the Subcontinent or Australia. He averaged 38 vs Aus, 35 vs Eng, 41 vs Ind and 40 vs Pak.

He basically was never the strike bowler or second strike bowler for SA. Basically he chipped in with wickets in an Era when the likes of Donald, Pollock , etc prospered.

He has 292 wickets from 166 test matches. That is just 1.7 wickets per test match, around 1 wicket per innings.

He is the most overrated all-rounder ever.

But he was a brilliant batsman though. No two words about that His bowling was useful for SA but not something that SA depended on.

Jadeja on the other hand is averaging nearly 50 for last 6 or 7 years and being bowling strike weapon.

 

[Robert]

how is Botham 'world class' despite failing in WI with both bat and ball

Fourteen test centuries - as many as Kapil and Imran combined.

A century and thirteen wickets in an India test.

A century and a fivefer in a match four times.

At one time world wicket aggregate leader.

More test catches than Kapil, Imran and Hadlee combined.

 

[Sir Alex]

Jadeja showed how versatile he has become as a bowler with his performances in Australia, where usually visiting finger spinners go to die. His average of 21 is the best for any spinner in Aus (min 10 wickets, since 1990) and he eclipses stalwarts such as Murali, Saqlain etc.

 

[Robert]

Kallis the bowler has nothing of note playing in the Subcontinent or Australia. He averaged 38 vs Aus, 35 vs Eng, 41 vs Ind and 40 vs Pak.

He basically was never the strike bowler or second strike bowler for SA. Basically he chipped in with wickets in an Era when the likes of Donald, Pollock , etc prospered.

He has 292 wickets from 166 test matches. That is just 1.7 wickets per test match, around 1 wicket per innings.

He is the most overrated all-rounder ever.

But he was a brilliant batsman though. No two words about that His bowling was useful for SA but not something that SA depended on.

Jadeja on the other hand is averaging nearly 50 for last 6 or 7 years and being bowling strike weapon.

Is interesting.

I think he was capable of averaging 40 with the bat and 25 with the ball, but SA had powerful bowling and weak batting so he filled the hole they needed him to.

He also took a little matter of 200 test catches off Donald, Pollock etc of course.

 

[Ab Fan]

Kallis the bowler has nothing of note playing in the Subcontinent or Australia. He averaged 38 vs Aus, 35 vs Eng, 41 vs Ind and 40 vs Pak.

He basically was never the strike bowler or second strike bowler for SA. Basically he chipped in with wickets in an Era when the likes of Donald, Pollock , etc prospered.

He has 292 wickets from 166 test matches. That is just 1.7 wickets per test match, around 1 wicket per innings.

He is the most overrated all-rounder ever.

But he was a brilliant batsman though. No two words about that His bowling was useful for SA but not something that SA depended on.

Jadeja on the other hand is averaging nearly 50 for last 6 or 7 years and being bowling strike weapon.

When someone plays 166 test matches, his wickets per match is bound to be lesser because there will be certain phases where he will not perform much in weaker suit. However, at overall level, that shouldn't be enough to disqualify him from all rounder category.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Kallis was more a second change seamer. Not a lead bowler like other all rounders Hadlee/Botham/Kapil/Imran.

 

[Ab Fan]

Kallis was more a second change seamer. Not a lead bowler like other all rounders Hadlee/Botham/Kapil/Imran.

Those names are bowling A/R. Kallis was a batting A/R.

 

[Sir Alex]

Is interesting.

I think he was capable of averaging 40 with the bat and 25 with the ball, but SA had powerful bowling and weak batting so he filled the hole they needed him to.

He also took a little matter of 200 test catches off Donald, Pollock etc of course.

SA didn't have a hole to fill in their bowling, Kallis did a superfluous role with the ball, but yes he did augment the overall balance.

The term that you use for a player who fills a gap in batting is "batsman" or "batter". And he was an absolutely magnificent batter. Although his batting stats were slightly inflated by him feasting vs the lesser bowling attacks of his time and were slightly below avg (41 vs Aus and 44 vs Eng) + 38 vs Muralis SL.

I'd rate him as the best batsman SA produced ever, but he won't make my World XI as an all-rounder.

In fact the all-rounder in my all time SA lineup would be Shaun Pollock. Look his stats up.

 

[Sir Alex]

Those names are bowling A/R. Kallis was a batting A/R.

More like a very good batsman who is a competent change up bowler. He will not make any good lineup purely based on his bowling. But could based on his batting.

Jadeja will walk into any XI with his batting alone. And can do as a bowler as well. For me that's the key difference.

 

[Sir Alex]

Jadeja is like Imran of yore.

Imran could walk into any XI for his batting in his prime. And he was well Imran for his bowling prowess. The complete package

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Kallis was more a second change seamer. Not a lead bowler like other all rounders Hadlee/Botham/Kapil/Imran.

 

[MenInG]

Can someone post stats for Jadeja away from home?

 

[Sir Alex]

Can someone post stats for Jadeja away from home?

Since 2016, bat avg 38. Bowl avg 30.

No stats padding away tours to Zim, Ban etc.

 

[Saurav]

Fourteen test centuries - as many as Kapil and Imran combined.

A century and thirteen wickets in an India test.

A century and a fivefer in a match four times.

At one time world wicket aggregate leader.

More test catches than Kapil, Imran and Hadlee combined.

he doesn't satisfy your own 'should be good in all conditions' criteria.

Now bringing different criteria

 

[Ab Fan]

More like a very good batsman who is a competent change up bowler. He will not make any good lineup purely based on his bowling. But could based on his batting.

Jadeja will walk into any XI with his batting alone. And can do as a bowler as well. For me that's the key difference.

Kallis is an ATG batsman, not very good. "Walking into any XI" is a very subjective opinion but Kallis gor 292 wickets which is enough to qualify him as all-rounder.

Jadeja in his weaker suit is better than Kallis in his weaker suit but Jadeja's stronger suit is levels below Kallis stronger suit.

Either way, I would say Jadeja is Vern Philander level bowler and Imran level batsman.

 

[Ab Fan]

SA didn't have a hole to fill in their bowling, Kallis did a superfluous role with the ball, but yes he did augment the overall balance.

The term that you use for a player who fills a gap in batting is "batsman" or "batter". And he was an absolutely magnificent batter. Although his batting stats were slightly inflated by him feasting vs the lesser bowling attacks of his time and were slightly below avg (41 vs Aus and 44 vs Eng) + 38 vs Muralis SL.

I'd rate him as the best batsman SA produced ever, but he won't make my World XI as an all-rounder.

In fact the all-rounder in my all time SA lineup would be Shaun Pollock. Look his stats up.

Kallis > S Pollock

 

[Sir Alex]

Kallis is an ATG batsman, not very good. "Walking into any XI" is a very subjective opinion but Kallis gor 292 wickets which is enough to qualify him as all-rounder.

Jadeja in his weaker suit is better than Kallis in his weaker suit but Jadeja's stronger suit is levels below Kallis stronger suit.

Either way, I would say Jadeja is Vern Philander level bowler and Imran level batsman.

Jadeja has no weaker suit really - Averaging nearly 50 for six years in an Era where only Pakistan is producing flat pitches is brilliant in itself. I'm the current Era, Jadeja is definitely walking into any XI as a batter.

Jadeja as a bowler is not even a comparison for Kallis the bowler. Kallis' wickets are a byproduct of his longetivity. Like Tendulkar having more ODI wickets than Shane Warne. Tendulkar was a useful ODI bowler when he started out but like Kallis became sporadic contributor as the years went on.

Jadeja on the other hand, is good enough pick as the team s first spinner.

 

[Sir Alex]

Kallis > S Pollock

As a batsman yes. But not as an all-rounder. Pollock gives that definite edge being a strike bowler plus a very competent batsman.

 

[WengerOut]

Kallis would have walked into any other team as a bowler. SA seam bowling unit was very strong that they did not use Kallis as a main bowler, also they did not want to over burden their best batsman.

 

[Robert]

Jadeja is like Imran of yore.

Imran could walk into any XI for his batting in his prime. And he was well Imran for his bowling prowess. The complete package

I saw Imran, a lot. He wasn't a HTB like Jadeja.

 

[Robert]

SA didn't have a hole to fill in their bowling, Kallis did a superfluous role with the ball, but yes he did augment the overall balance.

The term that you use for a player who fills a gap in batting is "batsman" or "batter". And he was an absolutely magnificent batter. Although his batting stats were slightly inflated by him feasting vs the lesser bowling attacks of his time and were slightly below avg (41 vs Aus and 44 vs Eng) + 38 vs Muralis SL.

I'd rate him as the best batsman SA produced ever, but he won't make my World XI as an all-rounder.

In fact the all-rounder in my all time SA lineup would be Shaun Pollock. Look his stats up.

I have. Just two test hundreds. With the bat he was another red ink merchant like Jadeja. I would, however, include him as a bowler, operating behind Donald and Steyn. Though all three of them did rather poorly in Australia. It's very rare that a player does well everywhere.