Religion is a form of philosophical and theological knowledge and can be used to interpret science and has led to countless inventions. Here's to name a few: magnifying glass, toothbrush, coffee, surgical innovations, hospitals, guitar, marching bands, algebra, medicine ( Al-Razi ), not to mention famous Western scientists such as Newton, Bacon, Galileo, were all devout Christians who wanted to achieve a further understanding of the world through using science to understand the world in accordance with God. Humanism, in fact the UN's Declaration of Human Rights document, has direct influence from St. Thomas Aquinas because it's major influence was a Thomist, Jacques Maritain.
How can you claim to know they went against God while completing their works?
Less than 7% of all wars in human history were fought for religious purposes and that accounts for less than 2% of all deaths related to war. This is from the book, Encyclopedia of Wars, by Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod.
Not necessarily. If politics had religious motivation, than the SA would let women drive a LONG time ago and Iraq would not have a military dictator as both are against traditional Islamic ruling.
They used scientific knowledge and application to understand better the world and how it works to correlate with their religious beliefs. I don't know how to explain it any simpler than that.
Again, you are making generalizations and not providing any relevant facts or information. We can understand previous generations based on the writing and rhetoric available from that generation. It is true that most people were not as well educated as they are now but that does not refute the fact that scholars, thinkers, and scientists who were religiously motivated have affected our lives today. The perfect example is universities which were started by Catholic institutions to achieve more than just philosophy and theology but other studies to achieve a greater understanding of the truth, and that truth being God and his creations.
It is up to the followers of religion to understand the world and its meaning. Islamic scholars during the Middle Ages such as Ibn Sina or Ibn Tawwabi used religion to reinforce medicinal practices. All modern day pharmacy and medicine can be traced back to their advancements. If you look in the text of the Quran ( can't vouch for the King James Bible ) you will find numerous references to the lining of the stars, Moon, Sun, their lights, etc. This precedes eventual discovery of astronomy by a few hundred years. Religion contains morals, yes, but it also requires a bloodthirsty gain for knowledge. More importantly, a knowledge of understanding. If you believe that Religion has caused wars ( I have already showed you statistics to prove that claim is false ) and did not contribute to modern day inventions and studies ( Which once again, I have given plenty of examples of ), than either you did not read carefully or are living in your bubble. Infact, the only way to reinforce your faith is to test it and what better way to do that in today's world than study science. But scholars like Nasar Tusi, ibn Ashaq and the father of modern chemistry/alchemy, Jabir ibn Hayyan, did it centuries ago. The only thing left for us to do is develop our own understanding of it rather than blindly have faith alone.
I'll do you one better. An Egyptian Muslim managed to manufacture an eye drop to treat the cataract. His inspiration, the story of Joseph. The verse: " And his eyes turned white from the sorrow that choked within him ". The cataract or whiteness prevents the entry of light. You can search his entire Quranic influence and medical procedure. His name is Abdul Basit Sayed Mohammed.
It is fact.
So you do agree religion found the cure for ONE disease? Do some research and find the 68000 codes yourself. And the proof for the other statement is from the Encyclopedia of War.
It has very little to do with religion, basically it started few hundreds years back in western Europe and they started leading the world due to:
Do you know for certain that the 67999 diseases cured had no help from religion? If I had asked you the same question before giving you one example, your answer would have been the same it is now, NO. The truth is you are not discussing but debating. Someone has just made a thread with a video conforming Quranic Science. I'm not saying religion is responsible for every disease cure but it has contributed directly to the sciences.
Read his opinion and story. Do not quote your thoughts on the matter.Did Quran tell him how to do the cataract procedure?
This is like me inventing nuclear bomb and crediting it to Hindu Gods just because I read about Bhramastra in Indian mythology.
12:84, 12:93, 12:94-96.
Like I said, read his opinion and story instead of using your own thoughts. His name is Abdul Basit Sayed Mohammed.
Search his name in Google and follow the yellow bricked road.
I have told you his name, his discovery, his inspiration. I am not a child or your slave to dig up information for you. If you are interested in further discovering the content, I can't make the discovery for you. To dismiss it as a joke without understanding it and researching it is a poor defensive mindset that does not yield any new knowledge and reeks of confining to your atheistic bubble.
I did but you refuse to research it for yourself. So until you do, don't respond.
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Its ironic, you don't like arrogance of Atheist, but use those adjectives(Supreme Lord) to describe your favorite God
God in most cultures is definition of Arrogance, He is supreme in everything including Arrogance... I am Great, no Greatest, nobody is like me, I am the only one, I created everything and can destroy everything, I control everything, all that talk without explaining anything, go figure yourself, I am not going to tell you. Many times, his explanation is, you are not smart enough to understand, I am not going to bother...Its me, me and me on steroids...If that is not arrogance I don't know what is ?
I would not pick such role models, if I am looking for humility
China only had spheres of influence, it was never a colony. Japan had an empire over 100 years ago. SK is not a powerhouse yet but a developing country. I agree with the rest of your statements however the problem lies with the people. Most Muslims are terrified of acquiring new knowledge whether that be scientific or philosophical when doing so is mandated in Islam if one has the resources to do so. As far as the effect on government goes, most Muslim majority countries are that, Muslim by name. No nation-state has correctly followed Islamic principles ( which includes non-corrupt leaders ) since the Caliphate after the PBUH's death that ended a few years later.
The " Islamic State " kills more Muslims than Non-Muslims so I would not say they are followers of Islam.
No. When a leader sleeps on the floor next to his fellow men, than I will say they would be following the caliphate. What most people mistake the Islamic State as is they are following their dreams of establishing a Caliphate. In reality, they are a political separatist group who use religion as a tool to expand their quota. The average member has a 3rd grade education and believe in killing without reason. The Quran verse such as chapter 9, verse 5, have to be read in context. They are directed towards the 5 tribes that broke the treaties with the Muslims and attacked them even after the migration to Medina.
I will quote Aquinas here... " The sequence of motion cannot extend ad infinitum ". In other words, you will always be asking the origin of something unless you begin with the origin itself. Evolution answers this question but it eliminates the metaphysical aspect of the human species itself.
Atheists: There was NOTHING, then SOMETHING happened to the NOTHING and then EVERYTHING was created and eventually EVERYTHING will die to become NOTHING.
Muslims: There is NO GOD except ALLAH, and MUHAMMAD is his (LAST) MESSENGER. ALLAH is the creator of EVERYTHING. MUHAMMAD is the GUIDE for all MANKIND.
My counter-question to this thread is this: Which one of the above is more logical?
I can't make it any more plain and simple than this.
I can't believe we're still debating this
