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In an appearance during the Telethon, the scholar cried profusely and spoke about the present crisis being result of vices such as immoral behaviour by muslim women etc.
 
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Maulana Tariq Jameel apologised for his remarks against the media on Friday, a day after his comments during the Ehsaas Telethon on Pakistani channels created quite a buzz on social media.

Speaking to a private news channel about his remarks from the other day, Jameel said that he had made a mistake.

Jameel's comments created controversy after he appeared on the Ehsaas Telethon at the end to make dua in light of the coronavirus situation and said that Pakistani channels, like foreign media, told lies.

"This is not just restricted to Pakistani media. Foreign media are also liars," he had said.

Jameel had also said that once, the owner of a private news channel met him and sought advice. "I told him to eliminate lies from the channel to which he responded by saying that if that were to happen, his channel would be finished but not the lies," he added.

Geo News anchor Hamid Mir had also urged Maulana Tariq Jameel to declare the name of the channel owner who had had the interaction with the religious scholar.

" I would like to request Maulana Tariq Jameel that whenever he says something like this ever again, he should take names," Mir had said. "It is also not right to spread misinformation about everyone.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/284770-maulana-tariq-jameel-apologises-for-remarks-against-pakistan-media
 
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PM’s Ehsaas Telethon concluded on Thursday with a Dua by renowned religious scholar Maulana Tariq Jameel.
He prayed for the country’s well-being and urged the masses to abstain from vices.
 
MTJ is actually a breath of fresh air in a sea of rabid extremist molvis. He talks more about , love respect and forgiveness than any other religious figurehead I've seen.Our media just needs something to talk about and the SJW types have too much time on their hands these days. Nothing he said seems out of line for a religiously inclined person . A lot of religious people DO see this as Allah's way of reprimanding humanity .I mean if you are religious then God dropping down plagues and natural disasters to teach his subjects a lesson can't be too unbelievable for you .
 
i thought he was a reasonable and knowledgeable person. but it seems he tends to behave the same way as the other "ulema"
 
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In an appearance during the Telethon, the scholar cried profusely and spoke about the present crisis being result of vices such as immoral behaviour by muslim women etc.
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what a fake drama baaz.
 
Not sure what the surprise is, plenty from all religions are trying to understand why their God has bought this down on the world.

Im no different but I dont have the understanding to make any sort of conclusion or assesment.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Not sure what the surprise is, plenty from all religions are trying to understand why their God has bought this down on the world.

Im no different but I dont have the understanding to make any sort of conclusion or assesment.
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Basically you are saying that you agree with what MTJ is saying but won't explicitly come out in support due to risk of being called out by other posters
 
Syed1 said:
Basically you are saying that you agree with what MTJ is saying but won't explicitly come out in support due to risk of being called out by other posters
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To clarify, I dont agree with him as I have no understanding of what God is thinking. I dont think he has either but all religous people are asking themselves why is God doing this.

Come on bro, as If I care what random people on the internet think of me . You should know thats not me by now. :)
 
"Corona is not a virus, but avatar for the protection of poor creatures. they have come to give the message of death and punishment to the one who eats them," said Swami Chakrapani, the National President of All India Hindu Mahasabha

One example here.
 
KingKhanWC said:
"Corona is not a virus, but avatar for the protection of poor creatures. they have come to give the message of death and punishment to the one who eats them," said Swami Chakrapani, the National President of All India Hindu Mahasabha

One example here.
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yes. most religious groups/people and making things up. proper answer is , it's just a virus. not some gods punishment or what not.
 
makes no difference . it's like saying aids is a gods punishment for gays. or 9/11 was gods punishment for usa hedonistic life style........ one thing has nothing to do with the other.
 
Nadeemp said:
makes no difference . it's like saying aids is a gods punishment for gays. or 9/11 was gods punishment for usa hedonistic life style........ one thing has nothing to do with the other.
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lol. Of course it makes a difference. As an athiest you will disagree as you dont believe God exists.

But those who do, will want to question why God has allowed this. Not sure why you're stuggling with such a simple point?
 
All religious people belive in God's punishment of sorts. Be it karma or hell fire.

Most important point for me: he apologized.

Many spread fake news around the world and harmful misconceptions but are never humble enough to apologize once their mistake has been shown to them.
 
KingKhanWC said:
To clarify, I dont agree with him as I have no understanding of what God is thinking. I dont think he has either but all religous people are asking themselves why is God doing this.

Come on bro, as If I care what random people on the internet think of me . You should know thats not me by now. :)
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Historically, God has punished many groups for transgressions. People of Aad, people of Thamud, army of Abraha, people of Noah (PBUH), people of Sodom and Gomorrah etc.

We can't say whether this is a punishment from God but it is not impossible.
God knows best.
 
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sweep_shot said:
Historically, God has punished many groups for transgressions. People of Aad, people of Thamud, army of Abraha, people of Noah (PBUH), people of Sodom and Gomorrah etc.

We can't say whether this is a punishment from God but it is not impossible.
God knows best.
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This is the key, no scholar should say this.

However as believers we can speculate, we always should but end with God knows best. The Quran and Hadiths can be analysed by scholars to give reasons, sometimes it's clear, other times its not.
 
Think he got Imran Khan by surprise with that speech
 
He has a certain kind of audience and I’d rather see his audience stick to him over some of his more extreme contemporaries. So the liberals and the left can have opinions on him but expressing those opinions is a tactical blunder. We aren’t going to turn these people into feminists.
 
If people are saying this guy is a more reasonable maulvi or whatever than the others then I shudder to even think about the views held by some of his contemporaries:))
 
He said what most of us had in our head. Religious or not religious you can't deny immorality is having a dream run these days.
 
DRsohail said:
Maulana Tariq Jamil sb is one of the better religious person we have in Pakistan.
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I second that :)

So he had to apologize to people like Hamid Mir and group :)) And these journos are selling this is a great victory at twitter. Whattay low level scumbags we have in our media honestly.

MTJ is a good person overall, always take about love and humanity. Mistakes can happen from any one, we people are bashing him left right and center believing like we are boht perheezgar muslims :)))
 
If these are the people that Pakistani men follow it is not a surprise why so many of them are misogynistic. Crazy statement

Even from a religious point of view I don’t have a lot of respect for MTJ. I’m sick of all these maulvis constantly preaching about rewards and Jannat etc. A Muslim’s goal should not be to attain heaven. Pleasing Allah and meeting him on the day of judgement should be the only goal that a Muslim should have. Jannat is simply a side benefit of that. For me, making Jannat your primary goal is almost a type of shirk.

The amount of videos I’ve seen of MTJ with him talking about hoors in Jannat in an almost drooling manner is quite high. Perhaps he is just smart and understands the sexual frustrations of the hypocritical Pakistani men which a lot of his audience is composed of.

At the end of the day the reason Muslims today are in the state they are in is because of us but that’s a discussion for another time
 
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sweep_shot said:
Historically, God has punished many groups for transgressions. People of Aad, people of Thamud, army of Abraha, people of Noah (PBUH), people of Sodom and Gomorrah etc.

We can't say whether this is a punishment from God but it is not impossible.
God knows best.
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I do believe that this is a type of test/punishment from Allah. About the only thing I (sort of?) agree with him on over here
 
I’m a country where women generally aren’t treated the best, blaming them for a whole pandemic is quite problematic
 
No offense, but the way he was crying and stopping on cue :)) maybe about time Indian govt lifted the ban on Pakistani artists
 
aliasad1998 said:
If these are the people that Pakistani men follow it is not a surprise why so many of them are misogynistic. Crazy statement

Even from a religious point of view I don’t have a lot of respect for MTJ. I’m sick of all these maulvis constantly preaching about rewards and Jannat etc. A Muslim’s goal should not be to attain heaven. Pleasing Allah and meeting him on the day of judgement should be the only goal that a Muslim should have. Jannat is simply a side benefit of that. For me, making Jannat your primary goal is almost a type of shirk.

The amount of videos I’ve seen of MTJ with him talking about hoors in Jannat in an almost drooling manner is quite high. Perhaps he is just smart and understands the sexual frustrations of the hypocritical Pakistani men which a lot of his audience is composed of.

At the end of the day the reason Muslims today are in the state they are in is because of us but that’s a discussion for another time
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he is a great salesman. very much like joel osteens and graham's of usa. tele preaches



tele preachers
 
ISLAMABAD: Human Rights Minister Shireen Mazari on Friday sharply criticised comments blaming women's "indecency" and Pakistan's universities for the coronavirus pandemic.

Her remarks followed comments made a day prior by religious leader Maulana Tariq Jameel in which he said women's "indecency" and universities out to mislead the youth were to blame for the virus' outbreak.

Mazari said the idea "the COVID19 pandemic is a result of women wearing short sleeves or [because] of private schools/universities misleading the youth", is "simply absurd".

"This simply reflects either ignorance [about] pandemics or a misogynist mindset. Absolutely unacceptable," she said on Twitter. "We will not accept the targeting of women on the pretext of such ludicrous accusations.

"We in Pakistan have fought hard for claiming our rights as enshrined in the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan," she added.

Maulana Jameel, who was invited to say a prayer during Prime Minister Imran Khan's Ehsaas Telethon a day earlier, had spoken at length about the ongoing pandemic.

The religious leader spoke for almost a quarter of an hour, noting how the goal was not to fight against the coronavirus but to treat it and be humble in front of God. He went on to blame the pandemic on women's "indecency", prevalence of dishonesty and betrayals in society, and people accumulating wealth through fraudulent means.

Addressing all the anchors sitting alongside the prime minister, he said: "We lie so much, we are a lying nation."

"Who has torn honour to pieces in my country? Who makes my country's daughters dance? Who is asking them to wear skimpier clothes? Whom should I hold accountable for this sin?" he continued.

"When a Muslim's daughter choose the path of indecency and the youth choose vulgarity [...] the biggest curse of God was on the people of Lut (A.S) because they crossed all boundaries of indecency.

"God had cursed them five times. No nation was cursed more than once but they were cursed five times," Jameel had said.

The country's colleges and universities, especially private schools, were making people go further away from religion, he had claimed.

Maulana Jameel faced a lot of flak throughout the day for his comments and earlier today, apologised for his remarks against the media.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/284778-ma...who-blamed-women-universities-for-coronavirus
 
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Some feel though Maulana Tariq Jameel appologized for his statement about the media they feel really disappointed and hurt that he didnt do the same for his remarks attributed to women.
 
I’ve submitted MTJ thesis about the link between Covid-19 and scantly clad women.

Hopefully, this will give us the vital breakthrough we’ve all been waiting for.
 
Every big religious spokesperson has made 1 big mistake in their lifetime and apologized.
They are humans after all, its not the end of the world.
 
I swear some people like to create a fuss out of everything...
 
Mueez said:
I swear some people like to create a fuss out of everything...
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His "sermon" was not needed - that isnt what Imran Khan was expecting of him as it probably embarrassed him too.
 
MenInG said:
His "sermon" was not needed - that isnt what Imran Khan was expecting of him as it probably embarrassed him too.
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Yes I know. But can’t we just move on? We have many more things to think about... can’t we see the whole world is in pain?

Also media (certain group) has given hype because he requested to stop spreading lies on news channels.
 
Bigger question, why is Imran Khan conducting these fund raising every other day, I mean correct me if I am wrong but isn’t he doing this for the 3rd or 4th time if you including dam and everything else lol.

Usually these kind of things are done by celebrities- actors, musicians, athletes etc once in a while but I would imagine the PM to have a lot more things on his plate especially in a pandemic.
 
Mueez said:
Yes I know. But can’t we just move on? We have many more things to think about... can’t we see the whole world is in pain?

Also media (certain group) has given hype because he requested to stop spreading lies on news channels.
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I can’t see how calling out such nonsense defers focus from other important issues.

In fact not doing so would allow it to be perpetuated and normalised. Which is the wish of those who try to make light of such incidents.
 
In regards to how we should perceive blessings/punishments, one should study the story of Hazrat Ayub as.

One should not be so quick to declare whether God is punishing us or not.

KKWC makes a valid point in that you can ask why, but don't rush to presume the mind of God.

As an aside, Tablighi Jamaat... can't say I'm surprised.
 
Local.Dada said:
Bigger question, why is Imran Khan conducting these fund raising every other day, I mean correct me if I am wrong but isn’t he doing this for the 3rd or 4th time if you including dam and everything else lol.

Usually these kind of things are done by celebrities- actors, musicians, athletes etc once in a while but I would imagine the PM to have a lot more things on his plate especially in a pandemic.
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It's related to the pandemic. The Ehsaas program is for the poor, daily wagers, laborers, etc. who are amongst the people most impacted. It was in the pipeline but its application has been accelerated due to the coronavirus situation and now it's fully functional.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In 15 days, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EhsaasEmergencyCash?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EhsaasEmergencyCash</a> of Rs. 68.885 billion has been transferred to 5.740 million deserving families living in poverty. <a href="https://t.co/eshg9T0sUO">pic.twitter.com/eshg9T0sUO</a></p>— Sania Nishtar (@SaniaNishtar) <a href="https://twitter.com/SaniaNishtar/status/1253349814840033286?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2020</a></blockquote>
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LAHORE: Human rights activists and other members of civil society have condemned the remarks made by religious leader Maulana Tariq Jamil on national television during the PM’s telethon on April 23.

The remarks have been called ‘callous’ and ‘demeaning’ to women who make up half the country.

Nida Aly, director of the Asma Jahangir Legal Aid cell (AGHS), said Pakistan had seen a rise in the cases of violence against women, and extreme situations, including honour crimes, domestic violence, assault and abuse of women.

She said while women under lockdown needed security from the community, “the government ‘trotted out Tariq Jamil on a broadly televised programme who not just objectified women but declared them and their individualist actions to bring the wrath of God and punishment in the form of Covid-19."

Nida Aly said the AGHS was providing relief to women, children and minorities during the lockdown.

“Our 17 legal centers in Lahore and Kasur have reported that there has been a drastic rise in domestic violence cases,” she said.

“There has been a surge in suicides and suicide attempts by women due to domestic violence. At least 75 women from Lahore alone have approached our centers and reported being subjected to extreme domestic violence at the hands of their husbands.”

Mamtaz Gohar, national coordinator of the National Child Rights Movement, told Dawn that children were also in extreme danger while being at home with abusers.

“Most child physical or sexual abuse happens at home, by men (or women) in the family, and children have nowhere to escape during the lockdown,” he specified.

Barrister Maleeka Bokhari, parliamentary secretary of law and justice, tweeted: “The spread of a pandemic must never and under no circumstances be correlated or linked to a woman’s piety or morality. It is danger to make this correlation as violent crimes against women/girls continue to take place with impunity.”

Shireen Mazari, Federal Minister of Human Rights, said: “We will not accept the targeting of women on the pretext of such ludicrous accusations. We in Pakistan have fought hard for claiming our rights as enshrined in the Constitution of Pakistan.”

She posted online: “Simply absurd for anyone under any guise to even suggest the Covid-19 pandemic is a result of women wearing short sleeves or because of private schools/universities misleading the youth. This simply reflects either ignorance about pandemics or a misogynist mindset. Absolutely unacceptable.”

Meanwhile, the HRCP in an official statement said it condemned the statement.

“The HRCP is appalled at Maulana Tariq Jamil’s statement which inexplicably correlated women’s ‘modesty’ to the Covid-19 pandemic. Such blatant objectification is unacceptable and, when aired on public television, only compounds the misogyny entrenched in society,” read the statement.

Tahira Abdulla, human rights activist, said it was shameful that the male and female journalists and anchors present in the telethon did not object to the comments.

Meanwhile, appearing in some talk shows on Friday, the Maulana tendered an apology for his remarks about the media.

https://images.dawn.com/news/1185140/tariq-jamils-remarks-spark-outrage
 
I'm inclined to agree and I come from a 'rival' school of thought. The levels of amorality are at a very high level and there is the truth of Sodom
 
Anyone who fantasises on hoors, there shapes, sizes and colours and how many you will get after death almost every time they speak should not be taken seriously, MTJ is a third class citizen and IK should be staying away from.
 
PetroDollars said:
Anyone who fantasises on hoors, there shapes, sizes and colours and how many you will get after death almost every time they speak should not be taken seriously, MTJ is a third class citizen and IK should be staying away from.
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agreed
 
My dislike for ulema is quite vocal but I went back and watched his address and the context in which he had said it and I do not think he said anything unreasonable.
 
Regardless of what he said or didn’t, what irks me is how officialdom so frequently furnishes these people a platform. It’s not as if they don’t have several other platforms already: mosque pulpits, YouTube channels, TV shows.
 
Nostalgic said:
Regardless of what he said or didn’t, what irks me is how officialdom so frequently furnishes these people a platform. It’s not as if they don’t have several other platforms already: mosque pulpits, YouTube channels, TV shows.
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the comments on dawn news with the article about this are shocking.
 
I mean, immorality has no connection with a virus, so I don't know what MTJ is on about.
Probably just needed to rant about something.
 
I see alot of people in my family defending this guy on facebook. Tells you alot about Pakistani society where mullahs rule the roost and objective thinking takes a back seat.
 
Human rights minister Shireen Mazari on Tuesday thanked Maulana Tariq Jamil after he said he sincerely apologises for remarks which might have inadvertently hurt people.

His apology comes five days after a television appearance on Geo News, which has caused an uproar in the country.

The maulana had been invited to say a prayer at the end of the Ehsaas Telethon held to collect funds for the coronavirus relief fund. However, before his prayer began, he spoke at length about the pandemic and how among other things such as the prevalent cheating and lying in society — especially by the media — it was to be blamed on the "immodest actions" of women.

In his apology today, Jamil said: "My goal was to remind us all to focus on the spiritual and away from our desires and the materialistic."

"I am the first to admit as I have taught over the years, that there is no excuse for making any hurtful comments about anyone or making anyone feel uncomfortable," he continued.

The maulana went on to "sincerely apologise to anyone who may [have] been inadvertently hurt".

While reacting to Jamil's earlier comments, Mazari — although had not named Jamil explicitly — had said that for "anyone under any guise to even suggest" that the pandemic has anything to do with women's dressing reflects "ignorance" and a "misogynist mindset".

"We will not accept the targeting of women on the pretext of such ludicrous accusations," she had added.

A day after the telethon, Maulana Jamil had apologised for his targeting of media houses as “liars”. At the time, no apology towards women had been offered.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/285396-sh...cation-sincere-apology-on-targetting-of-women
 
He will sincerely apologise until his next misogynistic comments.

Give it 8 weeks.
 
Irony is that the same liberals (read as libturds) who are getting their panties in a bunch over MTJ's statement and asking him to apologize are the ones who consider lewd remarks and posters during the Aurat March as their "freedom of expression". Where is MTJ's freedom of expression to say what he pleases without having to apologize? Why does it causes these libturd snowflakes to wet their diapers if he said something that they didn't agree with?


Mullahs and libturds are both Allah's azaab on us. Waste of skin.
 
Syed1 said:
Irony is that the same liberals (read as libturds) who are getting their panties in a bunch over MTJ's statement and asking him to apologize are the ones who consider lewd remarks and posters during the Aurat March as their "freedom of expression". Where is MTJ's freedom of expression to say what he pleases without having to apologize? Why does it causes these libturd snowflakes to wet their diapers if he said something that they didn't agree with?


Mullahs and libturds are both Allah's azaab on us. Waste of skin.
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Freedom of expression doesn’t mean immunity to criticism.
 
Syed1 said:
Irony is that the same liberals (read as libturds) who are getting their panties in a bunch over MTJ's statement and asking him to apologize are the ones who consider lewd remarks and posters during the Aurat March as their "freedom of expression". Where is MTJ's freedom of expression to say what he pleases without having to apologize? Why does it causes these libturd snowflakes to wet their diapers if he said something that they didn't agree with?


Mullahs and libturds are both Allah's azaab on us. Waste of skin.
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You have a great understanding of freedom of expression. MTJ should have freedom of expression but those who wish to criticise should have their freedom of expression curtailed?

Doesn’t seem very logical.
 
miandadrules said:
You have a great understanding of freedom of expression. MTJ should have freedom of expression but those who wish to criticise should have their freedom of expression curtailed?

Doesn’t seem very logical.
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And he is criticizing the filthy mind of a libturd what's wrong?
 
Bigboii said:
And he is criticizing the filthy mind of a libturd what's wrong?
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He’s more than welcome too. Not single insinuation was made that it should be curtailed.

What’s was wrong? The flawed logic he espoused.
 
miandadrules said:
He’s more than welcome too. Not single insinuation was made that it should be curtailed.

What’s was wrong? The flawed logic he espoused.
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Think he meant guys like HM who are asking him to apologise for his comments and other "woke" pakistanis who supported aurat March for freedom of expression but are know offended at his comments

So if the conservatives were asking to stop the banners that was stopping freedom of expression but if Mjt said some wild stuff than they are asking for apology which means he can't say the same thing again where's his freedom of expression?
 
Bigboii said:
Think he meant guys like HM who are asking him to apologise for his comments and other "woke" pakistanis who supported aurat March for freedom of expression but are know offended at his comments

So if the conservatives were asking to stop the banners that was stopping freedom of expression but if Mjt said some wild stuff than they are asking for apology which means he can't say the same thing again where's his freedom of expression?
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Once again. Freedom of expression is not immunity to criticism.

No one is stopping him. But he will be called out for it for his ignorance.

You seem to be under the impression that freedom of expression means one can’t be held accountable in the court of public opinion. I’m not sure how you’ve come to this conclusion.
 
miandadrules said:
Once again. Freedom of expression is not immunity to criticism.

No one is stopping him. But he will be called out for it for his ignorance.

You seem to be under the impression that freedom of expression means one can’t be held accountable in the court of public opinion. I’m not sure how you’ve come to this conclusion.
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Out of interest what is the athiest view of women(being the weaker sex)? Is it based on evolution and survival of the fittest or there is no single view?
 
KingKhanWC said:
Out of interest what is the athiest view of women(being the weaker sex)? Is it based on evolution and survival of the fittest or there is no single view?
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There isn’t an atheist view.

A belief in a God or not has no correlation to ones perception of a woman’s role.
 
miandadrules said:
There isn’t an atheist view.

A belief in a God or not has no correlation to ones perception of a woman’s role.
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Yes I understand there is no official view but what is the womans role? ie.Where does the moral conduct come into it and esp as morals are subjective if you dont follow an organised way of life which instucts you to treat women in any particular way. E.g Why would it be wrong for me to have intimate relations with numerous women at one time? Or do you feel there is nothing wrong about it?

Im genuinely intrested in this and only [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] has given me some answers in the past. If we can question religious views on women , we can question athiest views too.
 
miandadrules said:
You have a great understanding of freedom of expression. MTJ should have freedom of expression but those who wish to criticise should have their freedom of expression curtailed?

Doesn’t seem very logical.
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Because this is the mentality of you "woke" lot

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Why has Maulana Tariq Jameel not apologised to women yet? Because he needs to. He’s blaming this pandemic on Pakistani Womens’ alleged immodesty. This is grossly slanderous on many levels;totally unacceptable. Suo moto ka waqt yai hai.He is encroaching on fundamental rights</p>— SenatorSherryRehman (@sherryrehman) <a href="https://twitter.com/sherryrehman/status/1254013009179168770?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Woke libturds demanding MTJ to apologize because he caused you people to wet your nappies. Deal with it.
 
Syed1 said:
Because this is the mentality of you "woke" lot

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Why has Maulana Tariq Jameel not apologised to women yet? Because he needs to. He’s blaming this pandemic on Pakistani Womens’ alleged immodesty. This is grossly slanderous on many levels;totally unacceptable. Suo moto ka waqt yai hai.He is encroaching on fundamental rights</p>— SenatorSherryRehman (@sherryrehman) <a href="https://twitter.com/sherryrehman/status/1254013009179168770?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Woke libturds demanding MTJ to apologize because he caused you people to wet your nappies. Deal with it.
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I am dealing with it, as requested.

But how does this curtail MJT’s freedom of speech?

Hopefully, you’ll be able to formulate a coherent response.
 
Can someone post the exact transcript of what Maulana said. From my info he held men and women equally responsible for not following the Islamic moral code properly. If Pakistan wasn't an Islamic republic I could understand the anger. Using the good old buzzword "misogyny" just undermines any legitimate critic.
 
Syed1 said:
Irony is that the same liberals (read as libturds) who are getting their panties in a bunch over MTJ's statement and asking him to apologize are the ones who consider lewd remarks and posters during the Aurat March as their "freedom of expression". Where is MTJ's freedom of expression to say what he pleases without having to apologize? Why does it causes these libturd snowflakes to wet their diapers if he said something that they didn't agree with?


Mullahs and libturds are both Allah's azaab on us. Waste of skin.
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Which posters in Aurat March did you find lewd?
 
Bigboii said:
Think he meant guys like HM who are asking him to apologise for his comments and other "woke" pakistanis who supported aurat March for freedom of expression but are know offended at his comments

So if the conservatives were asking to stop the banners that was stopping freedom of expression but if Mjt said some wild stuff than they are asking for apology which means he can't say the same thing again where's his freedom of expression?
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Woke?

Every caring and thoughtful Pakistani should support Aurat March.
 
saeedhk said:
Woke?

Every caring and thoughtful Pakistani should support Aurat March.
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I didn't like some of the posters and that's what I mean by "woke" but it shouldn't stop their freedom of expression but MJT can also say wild stuff stop asking for an apology
 
Just saw a very openly shameful racist video of him as well. I wonder what excuses his supporters will have for that? I’d imagine they actually agree with his racist views
 
I suppose calling out racism is also being a “libtard”. Ignorant Pakistanis
 
KingKhanWC said:
Yes I understand there is no official view but what is the womans role? ie.Where does the moral conduct come into it and esp as morals are subjective if you dont follow an organised way of life which instucts you to treat women in any particular way. E.g Why would it be wrong for me to have intimate relations with numerous women at one time? Or do you feel there is nothing wrong about it?

Im genuinely intrested in this and only [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] has given me some answers in the past. If we can question religious views on women , we can question athiest views too.
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There is no official or unofficial atheistic view with regards to morality or anything else.

Atheism is an answer to one question and one question only. Belief in a God(s). There is nothing beyond that.

It isn’t a doctrine, which seems to be what your suggesting.

I think you are conflating a number of principles, such atheism, humanism, secularism and civil rights advocacy.

These are separate entities, which people can adhere to in varying degrees.

You can ask for my own opinions but they are my own opinions. You mentioned Robert, but I think you’ll find that there is a great discrepancy between between what the two of us believe.

There is no point in addressing your questions if we can’t agree on definitions.
 
aliasad1998 said:
Just saw a very openly shameful racist video of him as well. I wonder what excuses his supporters will have for that? I’d imagine they actually agree with his racist views
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Please share video. I am not surprised
 
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