[VIDEOS] The Palestinian and Israeli conflict

[Gilly]

Not if you live in the west bank or Kashmir.

Hamas kill just as many Palestinians as Israel.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Hamas kill just as many Palestinians as Israel.

On what basis?

 

[MenInG]

Hamas kill just as many Palestinians as Israel.

And this is based upon what research?

 

[MenInG]

The Israeli military launched another series of air raids on the Gaza Strip early on Monday, hours after its caretaker Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the attacks on the Palestinian enclave would rage on.

Explosions rocked Gaza City from north to south in a bombardment that was heavier, wider and lasted longer than the air raids that killed at least 42 Palestinians and wounded dozens more on Sunday. One Palestinian was reported injured.

At least 198 people, including 58 children, have been killed in the Gaza Strip since the latest violence began a week ago. More than 1,300 Palestinians were also wounded.

Earlier, Hamas, the group that governs the Gaza Strip, fired rockets towards the Israeli cities of Ashkelon and Beersheba. Israel has reported 10 dead, including two children.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today’s protest for Palestine in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Montreal?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Montreal</a> made me proud yall- <a href="https://t.co/4lF0w9ewTp">pic.twitter.com/4lF0w9ewTp</a></p>— sarah (@intifadasarah) <a href="https://twitter.com/intifadasarah/status/1393756033907101699?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Gilly]

And this is based upon what research?

Well just for a start they killed over 600 Palestinians just in the take over from Fatah, then if we talk about how many Palestinians that have been murdered by Hamas who by the way do not release the details of their killings to the media it will be in the hundreds from what reports there are.

A story from the BBC.

In addition, "perceived political opponents" of Hamas were abducted, tortured or assaulted - "particularly members of the rival Fatah party and former members of the Palestinian Authority security forces in Gaza".

"These abuses too were committed with impunity," the report says.

BBC Middle East correspondent Kevin Connelly says Hamas exercises undisputed authority within Gaza, and Amnesty's powerful report depicts an organisation responding to the relentless pressure of Israeli military operations with a brutal campaign against its own enemies within.

In one incident, six men were shot dead outside a mosque as they knelt in hoods in front of a crowd of men, women, and children, the report says.

The killings were among a series of "spine-chilling actions, some of which amounted to war crimes, [and] were designed to exact revenge and spread fear across the Gaza Strip," Amnesty regional director Philip Luther said.

Amnesty called on the Palestinian authorities to "impartially and independently" investigate the allegations, and bring the perpetrators to justice.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-32894633

You dont have to dig to deep to find stories of Hamas killing Palestinians.

 

[MenInG]

Three children injured every hour in Gaza

Almost three children in Gaza have been injured every hour since violence flared last Monday, according to Save the Children.

In the last week, at least 58 children in the enclave territory and two children in southern Israel have been killed. More than 1,000 people in Gaza, including 366 children, have also been injured.

“How many more families need to lose loved ones before the international community takes action? Where can children run to when air strikes rain down on their homes?” said Jason Lee, Save the Children’s Palestine country director.

“Families in Gaza, and our staff, are telling us that they are at breaking point – they are living in hell with nowhere to seek refuge and seemingly no end in sight,” said Lee.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Well just for a start they killed over 600 Palestinians just in the take over from Fatah, then if we talk about how many Palestinians that have been murdered by Hamas who by the way do not release the details of their killings to the media it will be in the hundreds from what reports there are.

A story from the BBC.



You dont have to dig to deep to find stories of Hamas killing Palestinians.

Even that story which you yourself linked describes it thus:

Hamas exercises undisputed authority within Gaza, and Amnesty's powerful report depicts an organisation responding to the relentless pressure of Israeli military operations with a brutal campaign against its own enemies within

So it is responding to relentless Israeli military operations by purging turncoats or suspected spies within. Again this is instigated by the Israeli military. That is not justification, but you are deliberately deflecting from the root cause of the violence, Israeli occupation by force of Palestinian land.

 

[MenInG]

Just incase some missed it (conveniently)

 

[Zaz]

Well just for a start they killed over 600 Palestinians just in the take over from Fatah, then if we talk about how many Palestinians that have been murdered by Hamas who by the way do not release the details of their killings to the media it will be in the hundreds from what reports there are.

A story from the BBC.



You dont have to dig to deep to find stories of Hamas killing Palestinians.

Lets just agree for arguments sake they do kill turncoats and spies So your point is if hamas kills palestinians its fine for israel to do so too?

 

[MenInG]

 

[Zaz]

Lets just agree for arguments sake they do kill turncoats and spies So your point is if hamas kills palestinians its fine for israel to do so too?

If hamas is a terrorist for what it does then what does that make israel?

A terrorist state right?

 

[Gilly]

Lets just agree for arguments sake they do kill turncoats and spies So your point is if hamas kills palestinians its fine for israel to do so too?

Not just turncoats and spies they also kill political rivals and settle personal disputes.

My point was that Palestinians are no safer from terrorists in the west bank which is what the poster was implying.

 

[Gilly]

Even that story which you yourself linked describes it thus:

Hamas exercises undisputed authority within Gaza, and Amnesty's powerful report depicts an organisation responding to the relentless pressure of Israeli military operations with a brutal campaign against its own enemies within

So it is responding to relentless Israeli military operations by purging turncoats or suspected spies within. Again this is instigated by the Israeli military. That is not justification, but you are deliberately deflecting from the root cause of the violence, Israeli occupation by force of Palestinian land.

You left this little bit out:

The killings were among a series of "spine-chilling actions, some of which amounted to war crimes, [and] were designed to exact revenge and spread fear across the Gaza Strip," Amnesty regional director Philip Luther said.

 

[Zaz]

My point was that Palestinians are no safer from terrorists in the west bank which is what the poster was implying.

Thats your opinion Not the truth What i do know is that they dont like being bombed to smithereens by israel and they dont like living in misery and poverty due to a crippling blockade either

 

[MenInG]

Explosions reported near UNRWA school – reporter

Journalist Sami Abu Salem said an Israeli airstrike was heard nearby the a UNRWA school, where many people were taking shelter.

“We are at UNRWA school where we heard an airstrike targeting a house in the south of Gaza city,” he said.

“People who are taking this school as a shelter were terrified.”

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

Pakistan is a paper tiger with all its nuclear arsenals. Turkey and Pakistan should do something more than just mere words otherwise they are as good as other Arab countries it is just that Arab countries are not two-faced and simply state their clear position on the issue. I mean, come one.....going to the UN and asking for an OIC meeting....the end result is zero.

What should they do? It's not like Pakistan is a superpower. They have a lot of problems at home already.

 

[Zaz]

You left this little bit out:

Amnesty Intl also says

As the occupying power, Israel has obligations to ensure the basic needs of the civilian population are met. At the very least, Israel must not continue to cut off access to essential supplies. The Israeli authorities must immediately lift the illegal blockade and end their collective punishment of Gaza’s population,” said Magdalena Mughrabi.

“Ten years on, the international community can no longer turn a blind eye to the devastating suffering caused by Israel’s cruel and inhuman isolation of Gaza.”

In each of these wars, Israel targeted civilian infrastructure, including electricity, water, sewage and sanitation plants as well as destroying tens of thousands of civilian properties, including homes, shops and factories. Israel has subsequently refused to allow into Gaza much of the construction materials needed to rebuild the civilian infrastructure.

There can be no justification for denying humanitarian supplies, adequate water and electricity to an entire population for 10 years. Israel must lift this blockade immediately.”

 

[MenInG]

Prime Minister Imran Khan on Monday ordered officials to make preparations for holding state-level protests against the Israeli atrocities in Palestine on Friday, sources told Geo News.

The PM issued the orders during a meeting he chaired of government spokespersons. The aides of the PM had advised him to hold such a demonstration on Friday.

 

[Gilly]

Amnesty Intl also says

As the occupying power, Israel has obligations to ensure the basic needs of the civilian population are met. At the very least, Israel must not continue to cut off access to essential supplies. The Israeli authorities must immediately lift the illegal blockade and end their collective punishment of Gaza’s population,” said Magdalena Mughrabi.

“Ten years on, the international community can no longer turn a blind eye to the devastating suffering caused by Israel’s cruel and inhuman isolation of Gaza.”

In each of these wars, Israel targeted civilian infrastructure, including electricity, water, sewage and sanitation plants as well as destroying tens of thousands of civilian properties, including homes, shops and factories. Israel has subsequently refused to allow into Gaza much of the construction materials needed to rebuild the civilian infrastructure.

There can be no justification for denying humanitarian supplies, adequate water and electricity to an entire population for 10 years. Israel must lift this blockade immediately.”

So that justifies Hamas killing Palestinians then.

 

[Zaz]

So that justifies Hamas killing Palestinians then.

How about answering the gist of the article?

What does the above actions from israel justify apart from subjugating the civilian population and targetting civilian infrastructure on purpose in making sure they live in an unhumane way

It doesnt weaken hamas as they are stronger than ever inspite of the blockade so it doesnt work in that respect

So why is it continuing? can we agree the targetting of civilians and their infrastructure is done on purpose and is a war crime

if ones a terrorist so is the other right?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not just turncoats and spies they also kill political rivals and settle personal disputes.

My point was that Palestinians are no safer from terrorists in the west bank which is what the poster was implying.

Your point is to justify Israel occupation of Palestinian land, thus you defend their brutalising of the arab population by saying look they are nasty terrorists. Israelis are just defending themselves etc.."

 

[Gilly]

How about answering the gist of the article?

What does the above actions from israel justify apart from subjugating the civilian population and targetting civilian infrastructure on purpose in making sure they live in an unhumane way

It doesnt weaken hamas as they are stronger than ever inspite of the blockade so it doesnt work in that respect

So why is it continuing? can we agree the targetting of civilians and their infrastructure is done on purpose and is a war crime

if ones a terrorist so is the other right?

OK they are both terrorists.

 

[Gilly]

Your point is to justify Israel occupation of Palestinian land, thus you defend their brutalising of the arab population by saying look they are nasty terrorists. Israelis are just defending themselves etc.."

You posted that if you lived in the west bank you would be safe from terrorists:

Not if you live in the west bank or Kashmir.

My point was that even if you live in the west bank you are still at the mercy of terrorists.

I didnt mention or justify anything that Irael did or did not do.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Extraordinary photo from Gaza on the front page of The Guardian today - six year old Suzy Eshkuntana pulled alive from the rubble 7 hours after an Israeli air strike that killed her mom and all four of her siblings <a href="https://t.co/nVDKuu3GoL">pic.twitter.com/nVDKuu3GoL</a></p>— Tom Gara (@tomgara) <a href="https://twitter.com/tomgara/status/1394276465966030852?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

OK they are both terrorists.

Hamas are not terrorists.

They are literally defending their homes (which is basically rubble).

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You posted that if you lived in the west bank you would be safe from terrorists:

No I didn't.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Please don’t repeat this falsehood.

A few German Jews were allowed to leave for Palestine if almost all their possessions were confiscated by the Nazi state.

You misunderstood what I said.

The people who dies in Germany and people who created Israel are not the same people.

The Jews who were killed by Nazis were mostly poor immigrants or descendents of immigrants.

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Now, the people who created Israel are called Zionists.

These people are (in 2021) and were (in 1930s/40s) bankers and money lenders (usury etc.). These people sponsored and financed Hitler and his party.

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Get it?

Do you really believe that the Jews who were in death camps between 1941-1945 somehow broke out of camps and yee-hawed all the way to cockpits of fighter jets in 1948 to fight Arabs?

I don't know Robert, doesn't make any sense to me.

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If anything what Zionists are doing in Palestine is the greatest possible insult to Jews of 1940s.

Don't disrespect their memories.

 

[PetroDollars]

You misunderstood what I said.

The people who dies in Germany and people who created Israel are not the same people.

The Jews who were killed by Nazis were mostly poor immigrants or descendents of immigrants.

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Now, the people who created Israel are called Zionists.

These people are (in 2021) and were (in 1930s/40s) bankers and money lenders (usury etc.). These people sponsored and financed Hitler and his party.

----

Get it?

Do you really believe that the Jews who were in death camps between 1941-1945 somehow broke out of camps and yee-hawed all the way to cockpits of fighter jets in 1948 to fight Arabs?

I don't know Robert, doesn't make any sense to me.

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If anything what Zionists are doing in Palestine is the greatest possible insult to Jews of 1940s.

Don't disrespect their memories.

Its the other way round jimmy, Hitler came to power on the mandate that he will take jewish bankers and money lenders to task, he destoryed the rothschilds but then went over board and starting killing everyone.

The powerfull jews were wiped out by Hitler, but if you belive in conspiracies and think jews bought hitler to power to wipe themselves out then theres no point in arguing with you.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Its the other way round jimmy, Hitler came to power on the mandate that he will take jewish bankers and money lenders to task, he destoryed the rothschilds but then went over board and starting killing everyone.

The powerfull jews were wiped out by Hitler, but if you belive in conspiracies and think jews bought hitler to power to wipe themselves out then theres no point in arguing with you.

rothschilds have had at least 5 European branches since 1700s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family

try harder next time.

 

[James]

At this rate Israel is going to turn the remainder of the world that supports them directly against them, disgraceful conduct of a war crime level.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Its the other way round jimmy, Hitler came to power on the mandate that he will take jewish bankers and money lenders to task, he destoryed the rothschilds but then went over board and starting killing everyone.

The powerfull jews were wiped out by Hitler, but if you belive in conspiracies and think jews bought hitler to power to wipe themselves out then theres no point in arguing with you.

Oh and read my post again.

There is a key difference between Jew and Zionists. Which, you the Zionist supporters forget when it is convenient to you.

I will give you an example: now with Coronavirus the rich class of India were out of country straight to exotic islands packing their swim suits. Now imagine they come next year writing books making movies for their struggle during tough times, won't it be insulting to actual poor Indians who were dying on stairs of hospitals gasping for air?...

Get it?

Zionists were in no death camps and neither did they suffer prosecution which common Jew of 1940s suffered.

If anything Palestinians of 2021 have more in common with Jews of 1940s than these Zionists.

Think.

 

[Zaz]

At this rate Israel is going to turn the remainder of the world that supports them directly against them, disgraceful conduct of a war crime level.

Its such a disgraceful shame the world is so blinkered to their oppression that it takes the blood of palestinians young and old for their legitimate cause to be highlighted

But if thats the price of their freedom im sure the palestinians are willing to pay it

 

[guna]

Safety first, all Palestinians have to move to neighboring countries as refugees and wait for a peaceful settlement with Israel. No point staying in that rubble and getting further bombed by Israeli forces.

Hamas can fight with Israel after all the civilians leave.

 

[Jadz]

I hope it's true cause I'm not against Jews but what Israel has been doing to Palestininans and those who simply want to kill off any Muslims in the land whether Palestine or Israel.I haven't read much about Hamas so I can't give an opinion on them.

There are many Jews - secular and religious - that oppose Israel's routine bombardment of Gaza. The expansionist policies of the Zionist State have nothing to do with Judaism, it has everything to do with extreme nationalism, racism and colonialism.

Apart from anti-Zionist Jews, there have also been prominent people from TV and film, as well as US politicians condemning Israeli war crimes against Palestinians.

The actual issue lies with Arab rulers, they are complicit in the ongoing suffering of Palestinians, collude and collaborate with Netanyahu - the 'Abraham Accords' are an example of how Arab governments have betrayed their Palestinian brethren and co-religionists.

We should also remember that the Saudi regime and its Gulf allies - with the active participation of the West - are committing genocide against impoverished Yemenis. There is, in practice and reality, no difference between the Saudi and Zionist regimes. Both 'Saudi' Arabia and 'Israel' were created to divide Muslims, Jews, Christians, to ensure perpetual conflict amongst Abrahamic communities, and thus, to provide justification and rationalization for Western military presence in the ME, as well as never-ending wars.

https://twitter.com/alexbkane/status/1394258752388337664

 

[cric_man]

Safety first, all Palestinians have to move to neighboring countries as refugees and wait for a peaceful settlement with Israel. No point staying in that rubble and getting further bombed by Israeli forces.

Hamas can fight with Israel after all the civilians leave.

That is exactly what Israeli wants. There are over 15M Palestinians in refugees in camps in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria from previous expulsion going back to 1948. Israel denies their right to return. Israel will annex all of the occupied lands and that would be it. Then they will (along with their western backers/apologists) say ground realities have changed, this is no longer your homeland.
In 1980s when the Phelangist ran amock through Sabra & Shattila camps massacring Palestinians under the watchful eyes of their Israeli masters, the Mossad operatives went in and grabbed all land deeds that they could find so that Palestinians have no claim to their homeland that was stolen from them.

 

[El Generico]

It’s seems like NYT and other outlets are counting Israeli soldiers as civilians. They need to be a little more subtle with their propaganda otherwise people will start to notice.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

In my humble and probably ignorant opinion, those Jews and these Zionists have nothing in common.

I mean these Zionists who created israel were literally funding Hitler in WWII

Anyways, here is a video for uncles living in LalaLand

Mirror: https://streamable.com/nqs9gf

What about videos by hundreds of ex Muslims which talk about how Islam is bad and regressive. Why aren’t they credible?

Not saying I don’t believe Israel is bad but propaganda videos like these hardly impact anyone e

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Hamas has intentionally engineered this tragedy for its own people in the sure knowledge of what would follow. No country in the world would fail to respond to 3000 rocket attacks, and more continuing daily, on its civilian population. Hamas had wider purposes. One was certainly to re-establish itself as the leading force in Palestinian politics by being the most *violently anti-Israel faction.

So, I would suggest the OIC and especially leaders in Muslim Ummah to talk to Hamas and stop firing rockets for the sake of Palestinian children.

You don’t have any idea of what you’re talking about

These Hamas rocket attacks were the response not the instigators

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Lol Hindutva clowns are one insecure and useless bunch.

It’s same group which idolizes hitler and now is pro Israel. Do these thick people even understand the irony of it?

 

[Gilly]

You don’t have any idea of what you’re talking about

These Hamas rocket attacks were the response not the instigators

Hamas fired the first rockets, that is not even disputable.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Hamas are not terrorists.

They are literally defending their homes (which is basically rubble).

Hanas definitely are terrorists. Everyone accepts so. Problem is Israel is also terrorist but that’s not accepted

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Hamas fired the first rockets, that is not even disputable.

Which works is this not disputable.

Israel attacked Al Aqsa mosque first.

That was the first step.

 

[Gilly]

Which works is this not disputable.

Israel attacked Al Aqsa mosque first.

That was the first step.

The police were attacked by people inside Al Aqsa first, there is footage of them throwing rocks and firing fireworks at the police from inside Al Aqsa and photos of rocks stored inside Al Aqsa. You cant use Al Aqsa as a place to attack others then complain when you get attacked.

 

[Zaz]

The police were attacked by people inside Al Aqsa first, there is footage of them throwing rocks and firing fireworks at the police from inside Al Aqsa and photos of rocks stored inside Al Aqsa. You cant use Al Aqsa as a place to attack others then complain when you get attacked.

What were the police doing inside al aqsa mosque in the first place? Pls explain?

 

[Zaz]

The police were attacked by people inside Al Aqsa first, there is footage of them throwing rocks and firing fireworks at the police from inside Al Aqsa and photos of rocks stored inside Al Aqsa. You cant use Al Aqsa as a place to attack others then complain when you get attacked.

Also explain why the palestinian residents of sheikh jarrah are being expelled off property over which israel, its courts and its legal system has no intnl jurisdiction on being the foreign occupier they are?

 

[PetroDollars]

rothschilds have had at least 5 European branches since 1700s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family

try harder next time.

The Rothchilds HQ were in germany, despite having branches in other european countries they never recovered after being destroyed by hitler.

Learn some real history, you seem to be getting all your education from david icke and alex jones.

Oh and read my post again.

There is a key difference between Jew and Zionists. Which, you the Zionist supporters forget when it is convenient to you.

I will give you an example: now with Coronavirus the rich class of India were out of country straight to exotic islands packing their swim suits. Now imagine they come next year writing books making movies for their struggle during tough times, won't it be insulting to actual poor Indians who were dying on stairs of hospitals gasping for air?...

Get it?

Zionists were in no death camps and neither did they suffer prosecution which common Jew of 1940s suffered.

If anything Palestinians of 2021 have more in common with Jews of 1940s than these Zionists.

Think.

You call me a zionist supporter for not believing in your nonsense conspiracy theories yet you come out as the biggest supporter of zionism defending hitler with your absurd conspiracies.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Hanas definitely are terrorists. Everyone accepts so. Problem is Israel is also terrorist but that’s not accepted

Hamas don't come from sky or earth. They are people living in Gaza who see everyday how Israel terrorize their families and kill them slowly.

They are resisting and making it hard for Israel to completely wipe them out. Fueled by only iron will and drive to survive a losing battle.

American founding fathers, Irish, Scottish etc. against British Crown, Jews who stood up against Nazis in France and countless Asians, Africans, South Americans against colonial Europeans were once called terrorists as well.

The bigotry is disgusting.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

The Rothchilds HQ were in germany, despite having branches in other european countries they never recovered after being destroyed by hitler.

Learn some real history, you seem to be getting all your education from david icke and alex jones.



You call me a zionist supporter for not believing in your nonsense conspiracy theories yet you come out as the biggest supporter of zionism defending hitler with your absurd conspiracies.

Where did I defend Hitler?

What conspiracy theory?

Who is David Icke? NGL I know who Alex Jones is.

Maybe you are getting your education from Zionists.

 

[PetroDollars]

Where did I defend Hitler?

What conspiracy theory?

Who is David Icke? NGL I know who Alex Jones is.

Maybe you are getting your education from Zionists.

Secretly defending zionism with your absurd jewish theories, you are not fooling anyone!

take your head out the ground and read proper history first

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

What about videos by hundreds of ex Muslims which talk about how Islam is bad and regressive. Why aren’t they credible?

Not saying I don’t believe Israel is bad but propaganda videos like these hardly impact anyone e

Everything is propaganda and everyone is shilling for something. That is an undeniable fact. There is no such thing as an objective opinion. Especially when it comes to religions or society. Credibility depends on the interpretation of each one of us.

Don't forget we have bigots in here pinning everything on Palestinians.

The irony.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Secretly defending zionism with your absurd jewish theories, you are not fooling anyone!

take your head out the ground and read proper history first

You are not making any sense dude.


Zionists are the people who are dropping bombs on Palestinians. And whenever someone questions them, they scream " antisemitism ".

Meanwhile so many Jews all around the world and even many living inside Israel are against this mindless violence against the Palestinian people.

Simple enough for you?

 

[PetroDollars]

You are not making any sense dude.


Zionists are the people who are dropping bombs on Palestinians. And whenever someone questions them, they scream " antisemitism ".

Meanwhile so many Jews all around the world and even many living inside Israel are against this mindless violence against the Palestinian people.

Simple enough for you?

...and what does that have to do with your twisted theories of hitler and nazis supporting jews.

you seem to be in a mess, make up your mind on which side you want to be on.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

...and what does that have to do with your twisted theories of hitler and nazis supporting jews.

you seem to be in a mess, make up your mind on which side you want to be on.

Maybe I didn't write something correctly or you didn't read me correctly. Don't know and don't care.

I'm on the Palestinian side.

No. Zionist bankers provided credit and finance to both sides during WWII to play safe. Hitler lost in Russia and their investment in UK/USA got them modern state of Israel.

And again, Jews of 40s aren't equal to Zionists of 40s.

My "absurd conspiracy theory" is that Jews of 1940s were common immigrants who were sent to concentration camps to die.

And later Zionists (of 1940s and now) marketed their deaths very successfully. These people aren't religious and lack any kind of morality.

I hope I make some sense this time.

 

[PetroDollars]

Maybe I didn't write something correctly or you didn't read me correctly. Don't know and don't care.

I'm on the Palestinian side.

No. Zionist bankers provided credit and finance to both sides during WWII to play safe. Hitler lost in Russia and their investment in UK/USA got them modern state of Israel.

And again, Jews of 40s aren't equal to Zionists of 40s.

My "absurd conspiracy theory" is that Jews of 1940s were common immigrants who were sent to concentration camps to die.

And later Zionists (of 1940s and now) marketed their deaths very successfully. These people aren't religious and lack any kind of morality.

I hope I make some sense this time.

common jews believe in the coming of the messiah and they have to construct the third temple for it, just like common muslims belive in the return of jesus pbuh

you really think billionaire jews like mark zuckerberg or howard schultz give 2 hoots about zionism? zionism is what the majority of jews have lived for, the majority believe in it.

Hitler came to power to wipe out the rich bankers who were controlling society, he didnt care about zionism, he wanted to free his society from the corupt bankers, conspiracy theorists today try and paint the picture it was all staged, again nonsense like most conspiracies.

the nazi belief that they are the superior race and must not mix jews came about after when rich jews started financing and funding liberalisation movements for them to live peacefully in europe. It was in that moment nazi decided to wipe them all out. Anything else is just a conspiracy which are just baseless with no truth in it.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

The police were attacked by people inside Al Aqsa first, there is footage of them throwing rocks and firing fireworks at the police from inside Al Aqsa and photos of rocks stored inside Al Aqsa. You cant use Al Aqsa as a place to attack others then complain when you get attacked.

Lol. You got caught here. The Israeli police were inside al aqsa as aggressors. They have no place inside the mosque otherwise

 

[MenInG]

The fighting between Israel and Hamas is showing few signs of slowing down following another night of bombardments.

More strikes on Gaza have been reported this morning with plumes of smoke rising from suspected Israeli missile strikes.

The Israel Defence Force (IDF) and the country's air force said they had attacked 65 Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip overnight, using 62 fighter jets and 110 weapons.

After more than a week of violence, the Israeli military has said Hamas and other Palestinian groups have fired about 3,350 rockets from Gaza in total, including 200 on Monday alone.

Sirens were heard in southern Israel in the early hours of Tuesday morning, with the IDF reporting 90 launches from Gaza into Israeli territory.

But Gaza has been the hardest hit by shelling, with at least 212 Palestinians killed since the latest spate of violence broke out, according to the Gaza Health Ministry.

Those killed include 61 children and 36 women.

Heavy airstrikes were unleashed on Gaza the day before, which the Israeli military claimed had destroyed the homes of nine Hamas commanders.

Ten people have been killed in Israel, including a five-year-old boy and a soldier, after the Hamas militant group directed rocket attacks toward civilian areas.

Six shells were also fired from Lebanon towards northern Israel late on Monday but fell short of crossing the border, the Israeli military said.

A Lebanese security source said efforts were being made to identify the source of the fire, adding that about 22 shells were fired by Israeli artillery on Lebanese territory.

In the past, small Palestinian factions in Lebanon have fired sporadically at Israel.

World leaders have called for an end to the violence, with US President Joe Biden expressing support for a ceasefire during a call with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

In their second phone conversation in three days, Mr Biden stopped short of demanding an immediate stop to the airstrikes.

An administration official familiar with the call said this decision was intentional because the White House wants to back Israel's right to defend itself from Hamas.

However, Mr Biden had "encouraged Israel to make every effort to ensure the protection of innocent civilians", according to a transcript of the call.

The latest violence between the two sides broke out on 10 May when Hamas fired into Jerusalem following weeks of clashes between Palestinian protesters and Israeli police.

The protests had focused on the threatened eviction of dozens of Palestinian families by Jewish settlers and heavy-handed policing during Ramadan.

SKY

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

In this video you can see a Jew man calling out Zionist Israel's despicable crimes against Palestine.


Zionists and their evil PP supporters (of 2021) has no right to use name of Holocaust victims to justify Zionist 2021 racism, violence and evil. This is disrespectful to the victims of Holocaust. These people who are using Holocaust victims' suffering to justify Zionist violence against Palestine will surely answer for it in front of the Creator on the Day of Judgment.

 

[King_Kohli]

3000 rockets means huge money.
Who is sponsoring money and weapons to Hamas terrorists ?

 

[Zaz]

3000 rockets means huge money.
Who is sponsoring money and weapons to Hamas terrorists ?

Hamas have their backers Just like the israeli terrorist state has its

Id hazard a guess and say its iran

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

common jews believe in the coming of the messiah and they have to construct the third temple for it, just like common muslims belive in the return of jesus pbuh

you really think billionaire jews like mark zuckerberg or howard schultz give 2 hoots about zionism? zionism is what the majority of jews have lived for, the majority believe in it.

Hitler came to power to wipe out the rich bankers who were controlling society, he didnt care about zionism, he wanted to free his society from the corupt bankers, conspiracy theorists today try and paint the picture it was all staged, again nonsense like most conspiracies.

the nazi belief that they are the superior race and must not mix jews came about after when rich jews started financing and funding liberalisation movements for them to live peacefully in europe. It was in that moment nazi decided to wipe them all out. Anything else is just a conspiracy which are just baseless with no truth in it.

Zionist of 2021 Isreal also believe they are superior race and are the most intelligent race on earth (@Mamoon and other Zionist supporters of PP make sure we know that).

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Usury is the most efficient and evil way to make and maintain wealth. Since the invention of money, it has run empires all around the globe, be it ancient Europe or acncient Subcontinent. Since the Roman Empire (and maybe before that but we only have credible written sources up until Romans) it was run by private individuals.

Whenever an empire had to go to war they finance themselves by a "bank" controlled by private individuals. No one is exempt from it, be it Alexander the Great, Hannibal, Napoleon or the evil Hitler himself.

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All religions forbid usury.

If someone is wondering, even Torah (even the modified version by Humanity) states in Exodus:24

https://www.mechon-mamre.org/e/et/et0222.htm#24

24 If thou lend money to any of My people, even to the poor with thee, thou shalt not be to him as a creditor; neither shall ye lay upon him interest.

Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) famously cleansed the temple. Bible John 2:13-15

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+2:13–15

13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:

15 And when he had *made a scourge of small cords*, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

*Please note this is Prophet of Allah SWT using a whip to drive away Usurers. Prophets of Allah SWT don't do vain actions.*

Should I even bother with what Quran says about Usury?

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As someone who grew up in the EU and has always received 100% atheist modern education on all levels, has had privilege to live in a free society to learn, express and benefit, I can assure you if you can calling someone Usurer is considered an insult in this society. I am sure even Indian PPers can confirm that even in India it is considered an insult.

Any form of morality (theist or atheist) goes against this inhumane practice (usury). Hopefully 100% of people can agree or at least with this.

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From above we should agree that these banker individuals have had existed since times eternity.

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In our modern history these evil banker people disguise themselves as Zionists. This is controversial point and people get triggered because of it and call it a conspiracy theory.


Oh and by the way you are absolutely right when you say that they don't care about religions. After all they have survived millennias of emperors, kings and Prophets. They don't have common lives or goals. They are born and bread to rule others, superior race and all that.

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Do you really believe these were the people who were getting killed during Holocaust? If you say yes then let's not argue, you are free to support them.

I am getting accused as a conspiracy theorist because I firmly believe that Modern Zionists are exploiting deaths of poor **Jews of 1930s/40s**.

**These 6 million unfortunate Jews weren't rich bankers who had exploited humanity for an eternity with their Usury. They were common immigrants. Like so many members of my own and many PPers' families trying to peacefully earn a living in the modern and prosperous Europe.**

I hope I untangled this mess and was finally able to correctly and comprehensively express myself.

 

[Balthazar]

Israel is a disgrace, and the people who are backing them.

 

[MenInG]

Israel’s military has been giving details to Israeli media about its overnight strikes.

Spokesman Brig Gen Hidai Zilberman said 60 warplanes targeted another part of what he called the militant group Hamas’s “Metro” underground network, destroying 10 to 15km of tunnels.

“We know the grid of the network underground and every entry shaft,” the Jerusalem Post newspaper quoted him as saying, adding that Hamas militants were being forced to operate above ground.

Multi-barrel rocket launchers and the homes of several Hamas commanders were also targeted.

Brig Gen Zilberman also said that more than 150 Hamas Islamic Jihad militants had been killed since the start of the fighting eight days ago. Gaza’s Hamas-run health ministry has said 212 people, including 61 children and 36 women, have been killed.

In a radio interview with Kan public radio, Brig Gen Zilberman warned top Hamas leaders in Gaza that they were also in the military’s “sights”.

“We are trying to strike them and when the operational conditions come to fruition I hope that we’ll succeed,” he said, according to the Times of Israel.

 

[MenInG]

Russian President Vladimir Putin has lent his voice to calls for an immediate end to the violence between Israel and the Palestinians which he said had "led to a large number of victims among the peaceful populations, including children".

"We believe it imperative that violent actions by both sides cease, and an active search for a solution based on relevant resolutions by the UN Security Council - and generally recognised principles of international law, of course," Mr Putin added.

 

[MenInG]

Health officials in Gaza say that they've had no reports of Palestinians killed overnight in Israeli air strikes.

This is the first apparent reduction of casualties since the fighting erupted on 10 May.

A witness from Reuters news agency also said Palestinian rockets were fired less frequently towards Israel between midnight and 10:00 (07:00 GMT).

However, several warning sirens were set off in cities in southern Israel, sending people running to shelters.

 

[Pakpak]

From another source:

373,000 children in Gaza need psychological support.
73% of all Gazans require food aid to survive.
200+ schools in Gaza were destroyed by the Israelis in 2014.
The people of Gaza have access to electricity between 3-4 hours each day, which severely impacts their lives.
97% of the natural water found in Gaza is unsafe to drink due to pollutants and lack of electricity.
95% of children in Gaza are traumatised, malnourished and / or suffer severe depression.

In wider Palestine -
Israel detain between 500-700 children each year.
20 years in prison sentences for throwing stones.
76.4% of children are physically assaulted.
98% are not told a reason for arrest.
On average, they spend 10-29 days in solitary confinement.

(Thanks to FoA for the stats).

 

[finalfantasy7]

Well just for a start they killed over 600 Palestinians just in the take over from Fatah, then if we talk about how many Palestinians that have been murdered by Hamas who by the way do not release the details of their killings to the media it will be in the hundreds from what reports there are.

A story from the BBC.



You dont have to dig to deep to find stories of Hamas killing Palestinians.

gilly ur two statements dont make sense - and you dont have to go deep to find out that hamas has been funded by the israel on many occasions - shall i post the mehdi hasan interview at oxford to prove it? im sure you've already seen it

 

[Gilly]

gilly ur two statements dont make sense - and you dont have to go deep to find out that hamas has been funded by the israel on many occasions - shall i post the mehdi hasan interview at oxford to prove it? im sure you've already seen it

Please do, I'm all for getting the most information thats out there.

I do find it interesting though if Israel do have some control of Hamas then why dont they just tell Hamas to accept Israel and ratify their claim to the land.

 

[finalfantasy7]

Hamas kill just as many Palestinians as Israel.

Gilly how come you just wont debate the topic - when your people allow the Palestinians to live in thr homes ?

When will ethnic cleansing stop on? regarding this very small piece of land - how many Palestinians are left - ive heard its only 4 families left

 

[finalfantasy7]

Please do, I'm all for getting the most information thats out there.

I do find it interesting though if Israel do have some control of Hamas then why dont they just tell Hamas to accept Israel and ratify their claim to the land.

will do - im currently at work - but should send it to u really late today -as im going tennis till 10pm uk - time hopefully u can respond to it in a few days

 

[finalfantasy7]

Please do, I'm all for getting the most information thats out there.

I do find it interesting though if Israel do have some control of Hamas then why dont they just tell Hamas to accept Israel and ratify their claim to the land.

Well i found the smaller version of the same topic - enjoy:

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[Gilly]

Gilly how come you just wont debate the topic - when your people allow the Palestinians to live in thr homes ?

When will ethnic cleansing stop on? regarding this very small piece of land - how many Palestinians are left - ive heard its only 4 families left

i'm not really understanding this post, my stance on this issue is clear, Hamas need to take a different approach to finding a resolution to the issue. If they continue to use violence then the international community cannot support them. If Hamas did not respond or instigate violent confrontations then they would be seen as genuine victims of oppression but by resorting to violence they make it too hard to come to a peaceful resolution.

This not my thoughts on how the matter should be resolved, these two have been fighting with each other before I was born so for my entire life its just been violent clashes and both claiming the other is to blame. At some point there needs to be a commitment from both sides to lay down their weapons and find a peaceful solution which will require concessions from both sides. I just want the killings on both sides to stop.

 

[MenInG]

Death toll in Gaza rises to 213 people, including 61 children, since violence flared on May 10, with about 1,500 Palestinians wounded.

 

[Zaz]

i'm not really understanding this post, my stance on this issue is clear, Hamas need to take a different approach to finding a resolution to the issue. If they continue to use violence then the international community cannot support them. If Hamas did not respond or instigate violent confrontations then they would be seen as genuine victims of oppression but by resorting to violence they make it too hard to come to a peaceful resolution.

This not my thoughts on how the matter should be resolved, these two have been fighting with each other before I was born so for my entire life its just been violent clashes and both claiming the other is to blame. At some point there needs to be a commitment from both sides to lay down their weapons and find a peaceful solution which will require concessions from both sides. I just want the killings on both sides to stop.

Come on gilly lets not be naive Its not always been violence from palestinians (and by the way hamas only have existed for the last 15-20 years)

It was israel that violently took palestine and displaced 750000 refugees burnt 100s of villages and gave them no right to return and lets not forget the king david hotel bombing before that Its only then palestinians took arms

The palestinians have several times over last 70 years laid down arms to "peace talks" with no success whilst israel continue unabated with their apartheid regime violence and devouring palestinian land

Forget gazans Even the israeli arabs and west bank( Who are under the plo authority) citizens get treated like 2nd class citizens with checkpoints everywhere, evictions, used as cheap labour, violence, intimidation and daily incursions into their homes, poor housing and infrastructure and unable to return to their country if they leave

If they fight back and throw a few rocks its they who are instigating and violent terrorists with israel killing 100s in self defence

Settlers get full repreive and backing from the military

Lets not forget this isnt a clash of equals like you suggest
Its israel the occupier, with billion dollar worth of firearms and precision missiles as well as nuclear capability, they have the might and hegemony and totally control and oppress the palestinians Plo in west bank have no army or weapons of significance Hamas have a few rockets

Under intnl law israel are illegally occupying the west bank and arranging settlements but nobody is willing to hold them to account

There is literally no way to fight the oppression in western eyes The bds movement is anti semetic according to them You ask any israel minister they arent interested in a 2 state solution

If you think by laying down arms palestinians will get justice you are naive or even worse

 

[Gilly]

Come on gilly lets not be naive Its not always been violence from palestinians (and by the way hamas only have existed for the last 15-20 years)

It was israel that violently took palestine and displaced 750000 refugees burnt 100s of villages and gave them no right to return and lets not forget the king david hotel bombing before that Its only then palestinians took arms

The palestinians have several times over last 70 years laid down arms to "peace talks" with no success whilst israel continue unabated with their apartheid regime violence and devouring palestinian land

Forget gazans Even the israeli arabs and west bank( Who are under the plo authority) citizens get treated like 2nd class citizens with checkpoints everywhere, evictions, used as cheap labour, violence, intimidation and daily incursions into their homes, poor housing and infrastructure and unable to return to their country if they leave

If they fight back and throw a few rocks its they who are instigating and violent terrorists with israel killing 100s in self defence

Settlers get full repreive and backing from the military

Lets not forget this isnt a clash of equals like you suggest
Its israel the occupier, with billion dollar worth of firearms and precision missiles as well as nuclear capability, they have the might and hegemony and totally control and oppress the palestinians Plo in west bank have no army or weapons of significance Hamas have a few rockets

Under intnl law israel are illegally occupying the west bank and arranging settlements but nobody is willing to hold them to account

There is literally no way to fight the oppression in western eyes The bds movement is anti semetic according to them You ask any israel minister they arent interested in a 2 state solution

If you think by laying down arms palestinians will get justice you are naive or even worse

Like I said earlier these two have been fighting before I was born, I'm not going to take sides because that wont help or achieve anything other than start more fights.

There is not going to be a fair or happy resolution for either side, they both have to make compromises and both have to lay down their weapons, that is the only way peace can be achieved. People can pick sides and politicians can make speeches but that is not quelling the violence.

 

[finalfantasy7]

Come on gilly lets not be naive Its not always been violence from palestinians (and by the way hamas only have existed for the last 15-20 years)

It was israel that violently took palestine and displaced 750000 refugees burnt 100s of villages and gave them no right to return and lets not forget the king david hotel bombing before that Its only then palestinians took arms

The palestinians have several times over last 70 years laid down arms to "peace talks" with no success whilst israel continue unabated with their apartheid regime violence and devouring palestinian land

Forget gazans Even the israeli arabs and west bank( Who are under the plo authority) citizens get treated like 2nd class citizens with checkpoints everywhere, evictions, used as cheap labour, violence, intimidation and daily incursions into their homes, poor housing and infrastructure and unable to return to their country if they leave

If they fight back and throw a few rocks its they who are instigating and violent terrorists with israel killing 100s in self defence

Settlers get full repreive and backing from the military

Lets not forget this isnt a clash of equals like you suggest
Its israel the occupier, with billion dollar worth of firearms and precision missiles as well as nuclear capability, they have the might and hegemony and totally control and oppress the palestinians Plo in west bank have no army or weapons of significance Hamas have a few rockets

Under intnl law israel are illegally occupying the west bank and arranging settlements but nobody is willing to hold them to account

There is literally no way to fight the oppression in western eyes The bds movement is anti semetic according to them You ask any israel minister they arent interested in a 2 state solution

If you think by laying down arms palestinians will get justice you are naive or even worse

Gilly, stop it please, u know that this will continue if one sides stop stealing houses, especially in a illegal matter, the current situation is based in East Jerusalem not in hamas controlled gaza, answer the question why are the Israeli stealing houses / landscapes / ethnic cleansing. Why is this occurring in East Jerusalem which isn't controlled by hamas,

U know how this has occured, in sheikh jarra the Palestinians have been kicked out illegally - then Palestinians threw stones at police officers-who behaved they behave in a ridiculous manner-which resulted hamas firing rockets like morons-which has resulted in Israeli so called defense.

Gilly u have to answer the simple above question. When will Israeli stop stealing houses / landscape and committing ethnic cleansing.

u also haven't responded to my above video, proving idf funding hamas - I understand u may not had time to watch it?

 

[finalfantasy7]

O yeh gilly u haven't responded to my above video, proving idf funding hamas - I understand u may not had time to watch it?

 

[Zaz]

Like I said earlier these two have been fighting before I was born, I'm not going to take sides because that wont help or achieve anything other than start more fights.

There is not going to be a fair or happy resolution for either side, they both have to make compromises and both have to lay down their weapons, that is the only way peace can be achieved. People can pick sides and politicians can make speeches but that is not quelling the violence.

Palestinians have made nothing but compromises over the last 70 yrs and what do they have to show?

You can continue to sit on the fence like the rest of the western nations whilst israel continues to commit its atrocities

The struggle will continue until the palestinians get justice and freedom No justice no peace

 

[Gilly]

Gilly, stop it please, u know that this will continue if one sides stop stealing houses, especially in a illegal matter, the current situation is based in East Jerusalem not in hamas controlled gaza, answer the question why are the Israeli stealing houses / landscapes / ethnic cleansing. Why is this occurring in East Jerusalem which isn't controlled by hamas,

U know how this has occured, in sheikh jarra the Palestinians have been kicked out illegally - then Palestinians threw stones at police officers-who behaved they behave in a ridiculous manner-which resulted hamas firing rockets like morons-which has resulted in Israeli so called defense.

Gilly u have to answer the simple above question. When will Israeli stop stealing houses / landscape and committing ethnic cleansing.

u also haven't responded to my above video, proving idf funding hamas - I understand u may not had time to watch it?

I remember this conflict before the settlers moved in and before Hamas came to power, I remember PLO hijacking planes, bombing the olympics, I remember PLO suicide bombers blowing up cafes and baby strollers soaked in blood, I remember the PLO marching and chanting that they were going to wipe Israel off the map, neither are innocent in this war. They have a choice to find a way to peace or find a way to continue the blood letting. I understand why the Palestinians dont trust the Israeli's and I understand why the Israeli's dont trust the Palestinians because I have witnessed what they have done to each other. Me or you or any politician picking which side we are going to champion is not going to bring peace to Palestine and Israel. You have to decide what outcome you want to see and how that can be achieved.

 

[Gilly]

u also haven't responded to my above video, proving idf funding hamas - I understand u may not had time to watch it?

I watched the video, the PLO caused a lot of terrorism around the world so I can see the advantage there would have been to help Hamas overthrow the PLO whos terrorism turned the world against Palestine.

So if IDF did contribute funds to Hamas it would have been to try and remove the PLO who were mortal enemies of the IDF.