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How will Ravichandran Ashwin be remembered in Indian cricket?

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Retirement shock as India all-rounder calls time on international career

Ravichandran Ashwin retires from all forms of international cricket with immediate effect.

India have announced that veteran spinner Ravinchandran Ashwin will retire from international cricket with immediate effect.

The news was announced just moments after the completion of the drawn third Test between Australia and India in Brisbane, with Ashwin joining skipper Rohit Sharma at the post-match press conference to reveal the shock announcement.

Ashwin most recently featured during the second Test against Australia in Adelaide and finishes his career with a total of 765 international wickets from 287 matches.

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Indian ATG definitely , top 10 Indian player.

Tendulkar
Kohli
Rohit
Gavaskar
Dravid
Kumble
Harbhajan
Ganguly
Sehwag
Ashwin
 
A shining part of our proud spin legacy. He retires as one of the greatest test cricketers ever let alone on in Bharatiya cricket and that legacy he leaves behind ensures he’s always going to be looked at with immense respect.

He retires as a Top 10 spinner to ever play test cricket and arguably Top 5 which is quite fantastic achievement.

As an AR, he retires as a Top 20 greatest ARs ever and arguably Top 10 which is again phenomenal feat.

As a test cricketers he retires as a Top 75 test cricketers ever for sure, arguably Top 50 as well for many.

A huge achiever.
I think another successful career in broadcasting industry awaits him.
 
He is an Indian treasure. Ultimate match winner for India. Right from the start of his career where he made a century in a crucial time he has been contributing to India whatever capacity. Nobody knew he could bat that well. It was a surprise for many. Pick any random Australian analyst fan, they consider Ashwin as the biggest threat after Bumrah. They were happy Ashwin was made to sit out in the world cup final.
 
Bowling version of sehwag

Sumptuous match winner in favouring asian conditions whilst not soo impactful overseas

Nonetheless still a test great considering his impact at home
 
His reputation will grow once India begins to struggle with spinning home conditions. I can see it happening during their rebuilding phase.

This will show how important Ash and Jadeja were in dominating opponents in India.
 
He is an Indian ATG great for sure.

Will be in the conversation as an overall ATG for sure too based on his output.

The greatest achievement a cricket can have nowadays is for forum posters to dissect their stats country by country to show how good or bad they actually were. Ashwin will have this achievement.
 
His consistency, longevity and ability to constantly evolve made him stand-out among all the other spinners from the current era. There was a time on this forum when we used to compare him and Yasir Shah. Safe to say he has eclipsed all from his generation. And what you cannot deny is his match-winning ability. For me, he is the biggest reason for India having that dominant unbeaten run at home. And he has not done too badly overseas either, despite never never being fully trusted in the role of being India's premier spinner.

He's had a career to be proud of and you can genuinely make a case for him being India's greatest ever spinner. Which is no small feat considering this is a country that has produced spin greats like Bedi, Chandrasekhar, Prasanna, Kumble.
 
HOF cricketer. Among the top 10 test cricketers India has ever produced.

500+ wickets and 6 Test centuries is a mind boggling achievment. There is an argument to be made that he should be the first name in your XI for Asia.

Murali played 97 tests in Asia and picked up 612 wickets at an average of 21.69

Ashwin played 74 tests and picked 433 wickets at 21.76. To add to that, averaged 26 with the bat as well. Cheat code of a cricketer in favorable conditions.

Australia has been a graveyard for spinners and yet he outperformed Lyon in the matches they played together.

New Zealand, South Africa and England have prepared nasty wickets for India over the last 10 years to give them whatever edge they can get. Nothing wrong with that of course but it meant that Ashwin had to make way for Jadeja and even Shardul. Would have done reasonably well on traditional wickets there.

Don't believe me: Check how Keshav Maharaj did in New Zealand and then check how he did against India at home.
 
Definitely an Indian ATG, and among the best the world has seen. Biggest match winner for India in the last 15 years. Ever evolving as a cricketer. Not just India, but world cricket has lost a gem from the playing field.
All the best, legend.
 
Ravi Ashwin the legend of Test cricket

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kingusama92 said:
His reputation will grow once India begins to struggle with spinning home conditions. I can see it happening during their rebuilding phase.

This will show how important Ash and Jadeja were in dominating opponents in India.
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Fully agree. I am not always a fan of Indian players but Ashwin like Dravid before him stands out. His HTB tag is a bit of a misnomer from Gullas who don't have an in depth understanding. Ashwin has bowled India to wins in multiple test series in Australia and practically sent Sangakkara into retirement in Sri Lanka - he got him out 4 times in 4 matches. Contributing to series wins in Aus, WI and SL and making India virtually unbeatable in tests at home means he leaves a big legacy behind. I have him in the same tier as Anderson, not an ATG like Warne, Wasim, Murali but in the tier just below.
 
When you judge Ashwin his immense clutch batting performance should also be factored in. This is his second test. India was 6 down for 331. They were still 259 behind West Indies. Everyone thought Ashwin was a tailender. He added 97 runs with Virat Kohli of which 58 were scored by Ashwin. India avoided follow on and almost won the test. Ashwin didn't want to get out and lose it. So match drew with India was 1 run away from win.

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IND vs WI Cricket Scorecard, 3rd Test at Mumbai, November 22 - 26, 2011

Get cricket scorecard of 3rd Test, IND vs WI, West Indies tour of India 2011/12 at Wankhede Stadium, Mumbai dated November 22 - 26, 2011.
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jnaveen1980 said:
When you judge Ashwin his immense clutch batting performance should also be factored in. This is his second test. India was 6 down for 331. They were still 259 behind West Indies. Everyone thought Ashwin was a tailender. He added 97 runs with Virat Kohli of which 58 were scored by Ashwin. India avoided follow on and almost won the test. Ashwin didn't want to get out and lose it. So match drew with India was 1 run away from win.

www.espncricinfo.com

IND vs WI Cricket Scorecard, 3rd Test at Mumbai, November 22 - 26, 2011

Get cricket scorecard of 3rd Test, IND vs WI, West Indies tour of India 2011/12 at Wankhede Stadium, Mumbai dated November 22 - 26, 2011.
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He also did it with the bat in Sydney with an injured back against the much vaunted Aus attack. Some Gullas who have barely a superficial understanding of the game with long essays will never realize that.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
He also did it with the bat in Sydney with an injured back against the much vaunted Aus attack. Some Gullas who have barely a superficial understanding of the game with long essays will never realize that.
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Also saved India from potentially embarrassing loss to Bangladesh. India 74/7 starring down the barrel chasing 145 at unplayable Mirpur pitch. He safely took India home from that tricky situation.
 
His legacies:

1) Mankading.
2) Behaving like a child (his outburst during South Africa Test).
3) Low-key Test all-rounder (6 Test centuries and 500+ Test wickets).
4) Good spinner.

That's pretty much it.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
IN terms of magic deliveries he is second to none. The one that castled Amla in world T20 at bangladesh was called Ball of the T20 cricket by Adam Gilchrist. His carrom ball went almost like leg spin
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Absolutely not.

Saqlain, Murali, and even Kumble were better than him.

As usual, certain Indian fans are going overboard with rating their players.
 
The greatest spinner of post Murali era

India's greatest matchwinner and the bank guarantee for three Indian captains in subcontinent tests.

The highest IQ bar none of any cricketer in Test history and one of the best analysts of the game.

No player has explored the limits of offspin bowling in the manner that Ashwin has does.

Every true cricket fan will miss this genius cricketer, his exemplary work ethic and sheer class on and off the field. Fare thee well.
 
kingusama92 said:
His reputation will grow once India begins to struggle with spinning home conditions. I can see it happening during their rebuilding phase.

This will show how important Ash and Jadeja were in dominating opponents in India.
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500 plus wkts at 24 the other guy has 300 plus at 24. Add to that 7000 test runs. This is ATG level duo.

India aint replacing them with similar calibre players.
 
sweep_shot said:
Absolutely not.

Saqlain, Murali, and even Kumble were better than him.

As usual, certain Indian fans are going overboard with rating their players.
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Saqlain isn't in the same block. Kumble is behind as well.

Murali ofcourse is the second best spinner of all time.

Bangladesh must first produce a great player before their fans start rating greats.

The best BD had was Shakib and he was a very good test player not a ATG.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Saqlain isn't in the same block. Kumble is behind as well.

Murali ofcourse is the second best spinner of all time.

Bangladesh must first produce a great player before their fans start rating greats.

The best BD had was Shakib and he was a very good test player not a ATG.
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Imagine a Bangaldeshi fan telling a Brazil fan "Pele is no good" lol You really think we should take those opinions seriously. Who cares what they think. Even to be a legit cricket fan you need to have some knowledge.
 
  • Only 11 man of the series [ Not impressive? No one has more ]
  • Crucial in India home domination for such a long time.
  • Crucial in series win in Aus with bat and ball both.
  • Won series in SL, WI
  • Have 6 tons
If anyone think he should have done much better outside Asia as well, then he would have gotten into top 10 players to play test cricket with rest of his achievements. He is surely not in that league.

A fantstic test cricketer. Given his skill set, India wasted him a bit. He should have played more away from home as well. As spinner, he has away average of 29-30, that's pretty good. Since Jadeja was a better bat, he had stiff competition for lone spinner spot when playign outside Asia.

I don't think many fans realize how great he was for Indian team. Let Jadeja also retire and we can see how India does. In Asian conditions, India was playig with 2 IK like all-rounders. That made it very hard to win tests for oppositions. It will be not a cakewalk in future but a whole lot easier to win tests in India. WIth time, he will be rated much higher by most fans.

Not 100% similar, but a close equivalent is Anderson. A better cricketer than Anderson for me due to his batting and I rate Anderson high.
 
Buffet said:
  • Only 11 man of the series [ Not impressive? No one has more ]
  • Crucial in India home domination for such a long time.
  • Crucial in series win in Aus with bat and ball both.
  • Won series in SL, WI
  • Have 6 tons
If anyone think he should have done much better outside Asia as well, then he would have gotten into top 10 players to play test cricket with rest of his achievements. He is surely not in that league.

A fantstic test cricketer. Given his skill set, India wasted him a bit. He should have played more away from home as well. As spinner, he has away average of 29-30, that's pretty good. Since Jadeja was a better bat, he had stiff competition for lone spinner spot when playign outside Asia.

I don't think many fans realize how great he was for Indian team. Let Jadeja also retire and we can see how India does. In Asian conditions, India was playig with 2 IK like all-rounders. That made it very hard to win tests for oppositions. It will be not a cakewalk in future but a whole lot easier to win tests in India. WIth time, he will be rated much higher by most fans.

Not 100% similar, but a close equivalent is Anderson. A better cricketer than Anderson for me due to his batting and I rate Anderson high.
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Overseas stat was more impacted by India's strategy. India was offered with fast seaming pitches which offered no spin. So there was a shift in paradigm from Indian think tank. They started going with 4 fast bowlers and 1 spin bowler. The choice of spinner was always based on the batting ability. If you look at Ashwin. He was dropped 7 tests in a row in England because of this strategic shift. If you count all the missed matches overseas that would be more than 50%. So India never needed spinners. They just won matches with seamers. So it is kinda pointless to raise questions why Bumrah/Shami, Ishant did not share wickets with Ashwin. So this filter is an useless filter. If he had played in every single test he would have had far better numbers. But he does have good figures in Srilanka, West Indies where he is a regular bowler. Even in Australia he is considered as the no.1 spin threat by all the Aussie fans.
 
The guy was also an absolute demon against left-handers. I don't know what his exact record is, but somebody should dig it up.

The most disappointing thing is that unlike alot of other sub-continental players (including two certain individuals in the Indian team) he wasn't past his prime at the time of retirement. He could have very easily played on and taken 600 wickets or even gone past Kumble. The fact that he chose to retire like this should concern Indian fans. Players who are this good. and have achieved so much do not deserve to be treated like this. I can totally imagine how him being rotated in overseas tests and not being trusted enough as the premier spinner felt like a slap on the face to him.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
The guy was also an absolute demon against left-handers. I don't know what his exact record is, but somebody should dig it up.

The most disappointing thing is that unlike alot of other sub-continental players (including two certain individuals in the Indian team) he wasn't past his prime at the time of retirement. He could have very easily played on and taken 600 wickets or even gone past Kumble. The fact that he chose to retire like this should concern Indian fans. Players who are this good. and have achieved so much do not deserve to be treated like this. I can totally imagine how him being rotated in overseas tests and not being trusted enough as the premier spinner felt like a slap on the face to him.
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He has the record for most left hander dismissals. Some of his famous dismissals include nailing Sangakkara 4 times in a row. But among the dream dismissals he bowled Alistair cook in England exactly the same way in both innings. Carbon copy dismissal.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
He has the record for most left hander dismissals. Some of his famous dismissals include nailing Sangakkara 4 times in a row. But among the dream dismissals he bowled Alistair cook in England exactly the same way in both innings. Carbon copy dismissal.
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Found the stat.

Most wickets against left-handers in tests:

1. R. Ashwin - 268
2. James Anderson - 221
3. Stuart Broad - 193
4. Muttiah Muralidaran - 191
5. Nathan Lyon - 188
 
With Ashwin’s retirement now, India increases its count of ATG.

India :-

Gavaskar
Kapil
Tendulkar
Dravid
Ashwin

The count is 5 now. Bumrah and Kohli will join and make it 7.

For Pakistan, it is 4 only.

Imran
Wasim
Waqar
Miandad

If we talk about top tier ATGs, India has 3. Pakistan has 2.

In coming times, India looking good to increase the tally to 7 while Pakistan likely to stay at 4 as the future looks bleak for them.
 
mominsaigol said:
Atg for delusional Indians only. Overall rubbish cricketer. Nothing more then a htb
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he contributed to the 2020-21 Australia triumph so that counts for something, though teams would kill for a player like Ashwin considering he is a monster in home conditions and that's where teams play half their matches.
 
atreus said:
he contributed to the 2020-21 Australia triumph so that counts for something, though teams would kill for a player like Ashwin considering he is a monster in home conditions and that's where teams play half their matches.
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I never said ashwin isn't bad. However he's overrated.

He's no different then sajid khan and noman at home conditons.

Difference is pcb is an incompetent board and never opted for sajid and noman as test players and ignored them. Whereas ashwin got full treatment.

Similarly the same Indian posters who are praising ashwin, Hate Warner and Travis for being HTB's. It's hypocritical.
 
Ab Fan said:
With Ashwin’s retirement now, India increases its count of ATG.

India :-

Gavaskar
Kapil
Tendulkar
Dravid
Ashwin

The count is 5 now. Bumrah and Kohli will join and make it 7.

For Pakistan, it is 4 only.

Imran
Wasim
Waqar
Miandad

If we talk about top tier ATGs, India has 3. Pakistan has 2.

In coming times, India looking good to increase the tally to 7 while Pakistan likely to stay at 4 as the future looks bleak for them.
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Younis is very much in that list and miles ahead of Kohli who is not an ATG in any sense of the word.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Younis is very much in that list and miles ahead of Kohli who is not an ATG in any sense of the word.
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I think Ashwin, Younis, Kohli all belong in the tier just below ATG (assuming we mean only Tests). Younis and VK numbers are almost identical if we remove Bangladesh and Zimbabwe in Tests. Younis, like Ashwin, did not get to play a lot in SENA (although that was more because Pak did not get enough chances than getting stupidly dropped by dumb captains as in the case of Ashwin).

Anyway coming back to Ashwin, some like to distribute gulla jamuns over Head performance in one off WTC final - here is Ashwin's performance in WTC final in rainy, English conditions:

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sweep_shot said:
Absolutely not.

Saqlain, Murali, and even Kumble were better than him.

As usual, certain Indian fans are going overboard with rating their players.
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Saqlain is a joke of a bowler in front of Ashwin. No comparison really.
 
Champion bowler, an Indian great and his contribution with the bat puts the icing on the cake for his wonderful career.

He is going to be a great commie in the box soon. His insights are always great and his English is excellent.
 
Ab Fan said:
Purely in Tests, a case can be made for YK but as all format batter, there should not be much debate against Kohli's reputation as ATG in my opinion. In tests, yeah, batting average of 47 doesn't help.
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Yes, I was talking purely tests.
 
King of doctored pitches and a youtube yapper. Never liked this guy. Left in a humiliating fashion.
 
Slim said:
Home track bully personified, indians have a few of these for sure. Their own coach is one.
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New narrative, Travis head and Warner are hacks but Sky is an accomplished batsmen with a compact technique 🤣🤣.
 
Slim said:
One guy invented doosra

Another guy cried, danced on doctored pitches and brought disgrace to the game by mankading


I guess we all know who is the joke.
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Wonder why doosra inventor retired early :viru 80 balls 91 runs in a Test match is embarrassing performance lol
 
The legacy of Ashwin is that India have been no.1 test team during his reign As a result, they have produced a number of ATG players during this period alongwith Ashwin:-

Ashwin
Kohli
Jadeja
Bumrah

That’s four. India have a total of 8 ATG players now at end of Ashwin’s era. :inti
 
Ashwin is also a qualified engineer. What's this with quite a few South Indian cricketers being engineers too? Srinath & Kumble were engineers too.
 
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