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So you agree with MAGA hostility towards Indians then.
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So you agree with MAGA hostility towards Indians then.
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But still Pakistan started re purification of u guys? Why?India need to be purified from the evil of the sanghis.
Chaiwala Modi's India need to be purified same way Mughals and Sultanates purified it and kept it purified for 500 years.
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@Rajdeep hmmm....no bias in India huh
Hockey legend Mohammed Shahid's house demolished in Varanasi, family protests
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You are unlikely to see sanghis condemn it.
They are sore losers and big cowards.
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The Whites are no more native than anyone else in America. What pathetic level of sycophancy.
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They can't help it, it comes naturally. I just saw some Sikh guy speaking at an anti-Islam march organised by Tommy Robinson, and you could literally see the whites trying not to laugh at his but-but ding-ding accent.
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These guys are self hating brown people that curse the genetic lottery( in their eyes) for being born in brown skin.They can't help it, it comes naturally. I just saw some Sikh guy speaking at an anti-Islam march organised by Tommy Robinson, and you could literally see the whites trying not to laugh at his but-but ding-ding accent.
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Any native community can be come hostile towards any immigrant community any day it’s inevitable, if u r leaving ur native country for another country that’s a risk you are taking
but Pakistan army had to start purificati drive in bd in 1971 then u came running to IndiaIndia need to be purified from the evil of the sanghis.
Chaiwala Modi's India need to be purified same way Mughals and Sultanates purified it and kept it purified for 500 years.
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They now consider themselves as the native majority community, its not sycophancyits the truth that every immigrant community will have to face sooner or later.
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They now consider themselves as the native majority community, its not sycophantcy its the truth that every immigrant community will have to face sooner or later
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Maybe the sikh guy feels he will be safer in a robinson type dominated country than a rishwat type dominated country.They can't help it, it comes naturally. I just saw some Sikh guy speaking at an anti-Islam march organised by Tommy Robinson, and you could literally see the whites trying not to laugh at his but-but ding-ding accent.
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That's not the same as being natives. They are like us, migrants.
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That's because being an immigrant he has no idea how the natives really think.
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But why Bangladeshis still hate India....no surprise they do it because Modi at helm....Even Sheikh Haseena fell victim for her Pro-India inclinations and modi like dictatorial mindset
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Joshila probably thinks whites are natives in America. LOL.
This misinformed
is probably not aware aboriginal Anericans are the original natives of America. Europeans simply colonized it.
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Such is their worship of the chiti chambri, nothing would surprise me.
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They are so misinformed and stupid that I don't feel like correcting them.
If I am responding to them, it is just to rile them up. I never engage in any serious discussions with these sanghis.
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It is extremely low IQ that a country belongs to the ‘natives’. Migration for better life and resources has been predominant from ancient times and if we go deep into history, most of the people will fall into the migration category. What matters is the civilization concept.
To establish a civilized society, we have laws and those change as per the demands of the time and practicality of to enforce them. And the current nationals or residents takes the priority because it is their contributions that goes into maintaining the society.
We all know how unchecked African illegal migration is causing issues. And some the issues also stem from a radical shift in cultural values. Islamic values may not be the same across the nations. I can see how women’s rights change compared to a Pakistan vs Saudi vs a under-developed muslim nation. The problem is that, any resistance towards unchecked migration from countries like Algeria, Afghanistan or even Pakistan is considered a movement against muslims while its not.
From the comments of PPers in other threads, a guy from developed Lahore will behave differently vs a guy from KPK / Afghanistan.
Its the same in India too. Obviously majority of people in India wants to maintain a certain cultural demography while if that feels threatened, there will be resistance. There is an onus on the migrants to integrate well into the culture of the country they migrate to. You can practice your religion but if your aim is to change the demography of a country as some of the islamic preachers claim, dont you think the fear for their culture is justified??
To establish a civilized society, we have laws and those change as per the demands of the time and practicality of to enforce them. And the current nationals or residents takes the priority because it is their contributions that goes into maintaining the society.
We all know how unchecked African illegal migration is causing issues. And some the issues also stem from a radical shift in cultural values. Islamic values may not be the same across the nations. I can see how women’s rights change compared to a Pakistan vs Saudi vs a under-developed muslim nation. The problem is that, any resistance towards unchecked migration from countries like Algeria, Afghanistan or even Pakistan is considered a movement against muslims while its not.
From the comments of PPers in other threads, a guy from developed Lahore will behave differently vs a guy from KPK / Afghanistan.
Its the same in India too. Obviously majority of people in India wants to maintain a certain cultural demography while if that feels threatened, there will be resistance. There is an onus on the migrants to integrate well into the culture of the country they migrate to. You can practice your religion but if your aim is to change the demography of a country as some of the islamic preachers claim, dont you think the fear for their culture is justified??
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Australian women molestation is a textbook example here, where resident Indian apologists are hell bent to invent new punishment for culprit, since he is a Muslim. Although, they never showed such vigor before when Brazilian, Israeli and French women were molested
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@sweep_shot @cricketjoshila @uppercut plz look into the bigotry of this idiot.... certainly such persons deserve strict punishment too
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BJP leader asks Hindu youths to 'kidnap' Muslim girls, promises jobs, security
BJP was left red faced after one of its former MLA and senior leader publicly asked the Hindu youths to 'kidnap' Muslim girls and marry them saying that he would bear the expenses incurred on the marriage and also give them jobs and security.
The BJP leader, Raghavendra Pratap Singh made the controversial remarks while addressing a public meeting at Dumariyaganj in Uttar Pradesh's Siddharth Nagar district. Although he made the remarks last week, it came to light on Tuesday after a video purportedly containing the remarks went viral on social media.
"I am saying this...kidnap ten Muslim girls for every two Hindu girls, convert them to Hinduism....I will get you married with them and will also provide them jobs," Singh purportedly said in the meeting.
Singh is also heard saying in the video that the state did not have a Samajwadi Party (SP) government, which used to indulge in Muslim appeasement. "We now have the government of Yogi Adityanath...there is no need to worry," the saffron party leader said.
The ex-MLA later defended his remarks saying that it was not the responsibility of the Hindus alone to maintain communal harmony. He said that he had visited Dumariyaganj after two Hindu girls had been made to embrace Islam to assure the Hindus that he was with them and that such things would not be tolerated.
While the BJP leaders have not yet commented on the video, BSP supremo Mayawati on Tuesday termed the remarks 'shameful' and demanded stern action against the BJP leader. "Spreading hatred in the name of religion, breaking the society and inciting unemployed youths have become the real politics of the BJP, Mayawati said in a post on 'X' (formerly Twitter).
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BJP leader asks Hindu youths to 'kidnap' Muslim girls, promises jobs, security
BJP was left red faced after one of its former MLA and senior leader publicly asked the Hindu youths to 'kidnap' Muslim girls and marry them saying that he would bear the expenses incurred on the marriage and also give them jobs and security.
The BJP leader, Raghavendra Pratap Singh made the controversial remarks while addressing a public meeting at Dumariyaganj in Uttar Pradesh's Siddharth Nagar district. Although he made the remarks last week, it came to light on Tuesday after a video purportedly containing the remarks went viral on social media.
"I am saying this...kidnap ten Muslim girls for every two Hindu girls, convert them to Hinduism....I will get you married with them and will also provide them jobs," Singh purportedly said in the meeting.
Singh is also heard saying in the video that the state did not have a Samajwadi Party (SP) government, which used to indulge in Muslim appeasement. "We now have the government of Yogi Adityanath...there is no need to worry," the saffron party leader said.
The ex-MLA later defended his remarks saying that it was not the responsibility of the Hindus alone to maintain communal harmony. He said that he had visited Dumariyaganj after two Hindu girls had been made to embrace Islam to assure the Hindus that he was with them and that such things would not be tolerated.
While the BJP leaders have not yet commented on the video, BSP supremo Mayawati on Tuesday termed the remarks 'shameful' and demanded stern action against the BJP leader. "Spreading hatred in the name of religion, breaking the society and inciting unemployed youths have become the real politics of the BJP, Mayawati said in a post on 'X' (formerly Twitter).
Bjp Leader Kidnap Remark: BJP Leader's Controversial Call to Hindu Youths, Mayawati Demands Action| Muslim girls
Raghavendra Pratap Singh: BJP struggles with fallout after leader urges Hindu youths to 'kidnap' Muslim girls for marriage. Mayawati demands stern action. Controversial remarks spark outrage amid communal tensions in Uttar Pradesh| Dumariyaganj incident
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This is the level of the ruling party. You have a fascist Khu**a leading a party racists@sweep_shot @cricketjoshila @uppercut plz look into the bigotry of this idiot.... certainly such persons deserve strict punishment too
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BJP leader asks Hindu youths to 'kidnap' Muslim girls, promises jobs, security
BJP was left red faced after one of its former MLA and senior leader publicly asked the Hindu youths to 'kidnap' Muslim girls and marry them saying that he would bear the expenses incurred on the marriage and also give them jobs and security.
The BJP leader, Raghavendra Pratap Singh made the controversial remarks while addressing a public meeting at Dumariyaganj in Uttar Pradesh's Siddharth Nagar district. Although he made the remarks last week, it came to light on Tuesday after a video purportedly containing the remarks went viral on social media.
"I am saying this...kidnap ten Muslim girls for every two Hindu girls, convert them to Hinduism....I will get you married with them and will also provide them jobs," Singh purportedly said in the meeting.
Singh is also heard saying in the video that the state did not have a Samajwadi Party (SP) government, which used to indulge in Muslim appeasement. "We now have the government of Yogi Adityanath...there is no need to worry," the saffron party leader said.
The ex-MLA later defended his remarks saying that it was not the responsibility of the Hindus alone to maintain communal harmony. He said that he had visited Dumariyaganj after two Hindu girls had been made to embrace Islam to assure the Hindus that he was with them and that such things would not be tolerated.
While the BJP leaders have not yet commented on the video, BSP supremo Mayawati on Tuesday termed the remarks 'shameful' and demanded stern action against the BJP leader. "Spreading hatred in the name of religion, breaking the society and inciting unemployed youths have become the real politics of the BJP, Mayawati said in a post on 'X' (formerly Twitter).
Bjp Leader Kidnap Remark: BJP Leader's Controversial Call to Hindu Youths, Mayawati Demands Action| Muslim girls
Raghavendra Pratap Singh: BJP struggles with fallout after leader urges Hindu youths to 'kidnap' Muslim girls for marriage. Mayawati demands stern action. Controversial remarks spark outrage amid communal tensions in Uttar Pradesh| Dumariyaganj incident
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These are their leaders, not even just some two bit activists. Imagine advocating kidnap as the only means to marrying a Muslim girl while getting so enraged by Hindu girls marrying Muslim men to call it love jihad. These guys are truly warped.
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@sweep_shot @cricketjoshila @uppercut plz look into the bigotry of this idiot.... certainly such persons deserve strict punishment too
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BJP leader asks Hindu youths to 'kidnap' Muslim girls, promises jobs, security
BJP was left red faced after one of its former MLA and senior leader publicly asked the Hindu youths to 'kidnap' Muslim girls and marry them saying that he would bear the expenses incurred on the marriage and also give them jobs and security.
The BJP leader, Raghavendra Pratap Singh made the controversial remarks while addressing a public meeting at Dumariyaganj in Uttar Pradesh's Siddharth Nagar district. Although he made the remarks last week, it came to light on Tuesday after a video purportedly containing the remarks went viral on social media.
"I am saying this...kidnap ten Muslim girls for every two Hindu girls, convert them to Hinduism....I will get you married with them and will also provide them jobs," Singh purportedly said in the meeting.
Singh is also heard saying in the video that the state did not have a Samajwadi Party (SP) government, which used to indulge in Muslim appeasement. "We now have the government of Yogi Adityanath...there is no need to worry," the saffron party leader said.
The ex-MLA later defended his remarks saying that it was not the responsibility of the Hindus alone to maintain communal harmony. He said that he had visited Dumariyaganj after two Hindu girls had been made to embrace Islam to assure the Hindus that he was with them and that such things would not be tolerated.
While the BJP leaders have not yet commented on the video, BSP supremo Mayawati on Tuesday termed the remarks 'shameful' and demanded stern action against the BJP leader. "Spreading hatred in the name of religion, breaking the society and inciting unemployed youths have become the real politics of the BJP, Mayawati said in a post on 'X' (formerly Twitter).
Bjp Leader Kidnap Remark: BJP Leader's Controversial Call to Hindu Youths, Mayawati Demands Action| Muslim girls
Raghavendra Pratap Singh: BJP struggles with fallout after leader urges Hindu youths to 'kidnap' Muslim girls for marriage. Mayawati demands stern action. Controversial remarks spark outrage amid communal tensions in Uttar Pradesh| Dumariyaganj incident
They are horrible monsters. Big cowards too.
Anyone who supports kidnapping young girls should receive the death penalty.
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We don’t have zia ul haq or failed marshal asim munir leading India
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No you have your own idiots
@sweep_shot @cricketjoshila @uppercut plz look into the bigotry of this idiot.... certainly such persons deserve strict punishment too
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BJP leader asks Hindu youths to 'kidnap' Muslim girls, promises jobs, security
BJP was left red faced after one of its former MLA and senior leader publicly asked the Hindu youths to 'kidnap' Muslim girls and marry them saying that he would bear the expenses incurred on the marriage and also give them jobs and security.
The BJP leader, Raghavendra Pratap Singh made the controversial remarks while addressing a public meeting at Dumariyaganj in Uttar Pradesh's Siddharth Nagar district. Although he made the remarks last week, it came to light on Tuesday after a video purportedly containing the remarks went viral on social media.
"I am saying this...kidnap ten Muslim girls for every two Hindu girls, convert them to Hinduism....I will get you married with them and will also provide them jobs," Singh purportedly said in the meeting.
Singh is also heard saying in the video that the state did not have a Samajwadi Party (SP) government, which used to indulge in Muslim appeasement. "We now have the government of Yogi Adityanath...there is no need to worry," the saffron party leader said.
The ex-MLA later defended his remarks saying that it was not the responsibility of the Hindus alone to maintain communal harmony. He said that he had visited Dumariyaganj after two Hindu girls had been made to embrace Islam to assure the Hindus that he was with them and that such things would not be tolerated.
While the BJP leaders have not yet commented on the video, BSP supremo Mayawati on Tuesday termed the remarks 'shameful' and demanded stern action against the BJP leader. "Spreading hatred in the name of religion, breaking the society and inciting unemployed youths have become the real politics of the BJP, Mayawati said in a post on 'X' (formerly Twitter).
Bjp Leader Kidnap Remark: BJP Leader's Controversial Call to Hindu Youths, Mayawati Demands Action| Muslim girls
Raghavendra Pratap Singh: BJP struggles with fallout after leader urges Hindu youths to 'kidnap' Muslim girls for marriage. Mayawati demands stern action. Controversial remarks spark outrage amid communal tensions in Uttar Pradesh| Dumariyaganj incident
What is the root cause (according to YOU) that lead to such a dire situation ? Don't worry I wont even ask for evidence,facts and such things. Just want to understand what YOUR understanding of the situation is.
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Wiping out ? You keep telling this to yourself but wiping out is what pakistan did in East Pakistan. Muslim population has increased exponentially in India.
If u think because muslims numbers in india is similar to pakistan or bd Muslims will get preferential treatment u r wrong
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So what do you expect? A smiley reaction on this news. If some Hindu woman VOLUNTARILY accepts Islam and marries a Muslim man then does this warrant Hindus the right to FORCEFULLY KIDNAP Muslim women in reply??? It's this simple until you twist it or give it some new meaning
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Y Mukti bahini came into existence?
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Why does the woman needs to accept islam? She can marry as it is
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She can no doubt, but Muslim men urge them to accept Islam and they do so by their WILL...otherwise there are many Hindu Muslim couples in the world too including parents of Salman Khan, Saif Ali Khan
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Please read following excerpt, it is predominantly a propaganda against Muslims, there is no such thing as forceful or conversions at gun point here
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In August 2017, the National Investigation Agency (NIA) stated that it had found a common "mentor" in some love jihad cases, "a woman associated with the radical group Popular Front of India", in August 2017.[163] According to a later article in The Economist, "Repeated police investigations have failed to find evidence of any organised plan of conversion. Reporters have repeatedly exposed claims of 'love jihad' as at best fevered fantasies and at worst, deliberate election-time inventions".[164] According to the same report, the common theme regarding many claims of "love jihad" has been the frenzied objection to an interfaith marriage while "Indian law erects no barriers to marriages between faiths, or against conversion by willing and informed consent. Yet the idea still sticks, even when the supposed 'victims' dismiss it as nonsense".[164]
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In August 2017, the National Investigation Agency (NIA) stated that it had found a common "mentor" in some love jihad cases, "a woman associated with the radical group Popular Front of India", in August 2017.[163] According to a later article in The Economist, "Repeated police investigations have failed to find evidence of any organised plan of conversion. Reporters have repeatedly exposed claims of 'love jihad' as at best fevered fantasies and at worst, deliberate election-time inventions".[164] According to the same report, the common theme regarding many claims of "love jihad" has been the frenzied objection to an interfaith marriage while "Indian law erects no barriers to marriages between faiths, or against conversion by willing and informed consent. Yet the idea still sticks, even when the supposed 'victims' dismiss it as nonsense".[164]
Love jihad conspiracy theory - Wikipedia
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Y do muslim men urge to convert a non muslim into a Muslim
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The man who first talked about love jihad waa a Christian bishop from Kerala.Please read following excerpt, it is predominantly a propaganda against Muslims, there is no such thing as forceful or conversions at gun point here
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In August 2017, the National Investigation Agency (NIA) stated that it had found a common "mentor" in some love jihad cases, "a woman associated with the radical group Popular Front of India", in August 2017.[163] According to a later article in The Economist, "Repeated police investigations have failed to find evidence of any organised plan of conversion. Reporters have repeatedly exposed claims of 'love jihad' as at best fevered fantasies and at worst, deliberate election-time inventions".[164] According to the same report, the common theme regarding many claims of "love jihad" has been the frenzied objection to an interfaith marriage while "Indian law erects no barriers to marriages between faiths, or against conversion by willing and informed consent. Yet the idea still sticks, even when the supposed 'victims' dismiss it as nonsense".[164]
Love jihad conspiracy theory - Wikipedia
Bishop warns Christians in Kerala against ‘love and narcotics jihad’
While the bogey of ‘love jihad’ has already gained deep traction among the Catholic community in Central Travancore, this is the first time that the head of any Catholic diocese has directly named Muslims
You yourself said muslim husbands urge non Muslims to convert, what does that mean
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Because they love them and want them to attain Jannat.
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Because Muslim men are permissible to marry women from the people of books but not from those who are polytheists instead they can marry them only if they embrace Islam or any other semitic religion.
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Do they not know this before getting into relationship.
So this is another way of converting non Muslims into Muslims.
You can fall in love with a polyatheist bit to marry they have to convert to islam,then don't complain if poly atheists keep Muslims away from their homes and offices, no one wants tolose their daughters to another religion
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But you are missing the point, a BJP politician is blatantly urging others to KIDNAP Muslim women in retaliation, while no Muslim boy or man is forcing Hindu girls to convert on force ...these two bits are pole apart
So in other words Muslims in India NEVER EVER did anything wrong to the Hindus. They are infact really innocent doves that could never hurt a fly according to you . ... This is your understanding of the overall Hindu - Muslim situation .... correct ?
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Again you are using the digression tactics from your old play book, do answer the question in hand first...and about who has does more wrong to others....Do you want the current generations to rekindle hatred just because what some people did 500 years ago?
Plz answer queries in sequence
There can be no meaningful discussion on this topic if your position is that Muslims are harmless innocent people.
That's why I asked you to clarify your position on this topic and I am talking about 2025 and the recent past ... not 500 yrs ago.
So are you claiming Muslims to be a completely innocent party in this dispute ?
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Ok thanks for clarifying you are talking about only love jihad here....and yes Muslims doesn't are at fault here...until like BJP guys they aren't forcing others into conversions.
Just for the sake of example I know plenty of posters here who really idealize other despite being from different religions, but the question is can ANYONE of them forsake their religion for the love of other here???? If the answer is NO, then HOW are Muslims responsible here? Plz answer
ok ... will respond later
broken sentences... Don't understand any of that ... fix and re-post it
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Let me simplify the broken bit for you.... Hitman really holds CricketJoshila in high esteem, but can anyone of them forsake their religion just to appease other???? Now apply this logic on the so called love jihad theory
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So you’re telling me 58 million Muslim men are supposedly trying to convert 298 million Hindu women by marrying them?
At that ratio, each guy would need five brides, divine multitasking skills, and a lifetime supply of wedding invitations.
Meanwhile, 549 million Hindu men are out here acting like neighborhood aunties, gossiping about who’s marrying who instead of minding their own karma. The entire male population has basically turned into "mohallay ki phuppho".
What a clown group of people.
At that ratio, each guy would need five brides, divine multitasking skills, and a lifetime supply of wedding invitations.
Meanwhile, 549 million Hindu men are out here acting like neighborhood aunties, gossiping about who’s marrying who instead of minding their own karma. The entire male population has basically turned into "mohallay ki phuppho".
What a clown group of people.
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I hold him in extremely high regards because of his terrific encyclopaedic knowledge in various subjects. This despite the fact that he is a doctor by profession.
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None of them has stolen the people's mandate, LOL.
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Yes, I understand your homage for him. The point I am trying to make is no matter how much you love, respect or adore someone you can't switch your religion at his/her behest without giving thoughts to the dogma and fundamentals of that religion
So in short, Love Jihad is an oversimplified propaganda..why dont the Muslim boys change their religion for their future wives??? This conspiracy is so lame when put in test to logical reasoning.
So in short, Love Jihad is an oversimplified propaganda..why dont the Muslim boys change their religion for their future wives??? This conspiracy is so lame when put in test to logical reasoning.
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It's a coping mechanism. In the UK so many Indian girls were getting married to Pakistanis that the Sikhs actually set up a group called the Sikh Awareness Society to try and prevent girls marrying out. I wasn't even aware of this myself until I saw Tommy Robinson mention it in one of his videos.
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In a relationship if u urge your partner to convert to continue the relationship this is force ful
online forums and relationship between a boy and a girl are two very different things the second case have societal pressures
A man refuses to marry a woman at the last moment unless. She converts,to save the familys honour she will of course convert
But that doesn't mean tge matter ends there the other side will not forget tgeir humiliation or how their daughter was stolen
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This is a sweeping statement Mr CJ, so are you implying that thousand of girls are going through this same scenario. Plz read post 3485 and tell us are women In UK, a liberal country facing the same dilemma...it's just a concocted theory. Just ponder over it.
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You are starting from the point where you believe that no one wants to convert to Islam without some sort of force or blackmail. What you forget is that Hinduism is racist and is a force for controlling the dark skinned guys by the light skinned guys. You have a section of your "religion" that doesn't even consider others in your religion to be even human.
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@uppercut plz confirm and tell how many lynching penalties for these monks as per 200000 slaughter logic @HalBass9 @Bhaag Viru Bhaag
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Are these people eating beef ? What is your logic here ?
44 pages and this thread is still going strong. 
The issue is simple. Hindutva is an opposite reaction to Islamism. Muslims of Subcontinent were organized under the Muslim League banner to advocate their rights.
It was every group fighting for its own fair share. Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs did not demand a separate land in late 19th century. But Muslim league demanded it.
We can discus forever the way the partition was done or the role of Nehru/Gandhi/Jinnah in the partition.
The issue is simple. Hindutva is an opposite reaction to Islamism. Muslims of Subcontinent were organized under the Muslim League banner to advocate their rights.
It was every group fighting for its own fair share. Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs did not demand a separate land in late 19th century. But Muslim league demanded it.
We can discus forever the way the partition was done or the role of Nehru/Gandhi/Jinnah in the partition.
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Yes, I have asked you to confirm because it is quite obvious from the clip above from an indian handle. Secondly, aren't your monks supposed to be pure vegetarians and if it is actually beef then why someone gets lynched for it and other enjoys it as a reward/Prasad?
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How come Islam is anti Hindu, it just urges all humanity to come under it's fold for success in the after life. It never says, chop Hindus all over the world while the hindutva ideology espoused by Savak is openly anti Muslim.44 pages and this thread is still going strong.
The issue is simple. Hindutva is an opposite reaction to Islamism. Muslims of Subcontinent were organized under the Muslim League banner to advocate their rights.
It was every group fighting for its own fair share. Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs did not demand a separate land in late 19th century. But Muslim league demanded it.
We can discus forever the way the partition was done or the role of Nehru/Gandhi/Jinnah in the partition.
And why the Hindutva gained steam after partition, aren't your secular rules enough for a peaceful India.
There is no way you can tell from that video and since when did you start trusting Indian sources ?
Mostly ... but definitely not beef.
There is no evidence that they are eating beef other than the claims on that video.
Now lets pretend that these people are eating non-veg.... Do you think that happens everywhere in India all the time ?
Whereas I can assure you that Muslims have ZERO regards when it comes to deliberately killing cows despite being well aware that it is a despicable act for most Hindus. What is your response to that(a question that you and others have been dodging for months). Why should Hindus in India put up with that nonsense ?
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Ok just a valid question, I hope you will respond directly instead of digressing. If some monks can eat beef in their private houses (though making videos of it) then why can't some Muslims eat beef in private without doing fanfare like above???
Are some Muslims lesser being than these "some" monks???
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Unfortunately, every page of it is a testament of anti Muslim bias. From supporting mass slaughter over cow desecration to the defense of KIDNAPING of Muslim women in response to love jihad. We have seen plethora of posts drenched in bigotry.44 pages and this thread is still going strong.
The issue is simple. Hindutva is an opposite reaction to Islamism. Muslims of Subcontinent were organized under the Muslim League banner to advocate their rights.
It was every group fighting for its own fair share. Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs did not demand a separate land in late 19th century. But Muslim league demanded it.
We can discus forever the way the partition was done or the role of Nehru/Gandhi/Jinnah in the partition.
That is an assumption on your part and not a fact. I can tell you with a great deal of certainity that monks eating beef is highly unlikely to have happened ( that too on camera ).
First of all there is no beef that you can purchase in most states in India.
The issue with Muslims in India is very different . ... they are routinely caught smuggling and killing cows despite being very well aware of how sacred they are. Heck even well educated posters on this very forum openly support indulging in such despicable acts and their stance is that Hindus have to put up with that intoletance. So you want to tell why Hindus must yield to this bigotry ? Can you give me a straight answer to that simple question that I have asked in literally 100s of posts?
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The idea that someone deserves to die simply because they don’t share your religious beliefs, and that too over a cow, is beyond absurd. Especially when, in the same country, certain states like Kerala openly serve beef without issue. When a nation holds two completely contradictory positions on the same matter, it’s not religion anymore, it’s hypocrisy dressed up as morality.
This isn’t about faith, it’s about power and control. Violence in the name of protecting an animal while ignoring far greater moral and human crises shows how broken the logic has become. It’s less about devotion and more about domination, who gets to define purity, who gets to punish, and who gets to look the other way.
At that point, there’s really nothing left to 'debate' for anyone’s sanity. People promoting murder over a cow aren’t defending faith, they’re weaponizing it. And instead of being treated as heroes, they should be treated as what they are, extremists who belong nowhere near the reins of a civilized society.
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I have written it many times. Sanghis are all about gimmicks. They are extremely phony.
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Even if we have doubts on above video's veracity. The cow meat isn't that big a issue as you portray. And why don't you campaign against these idiots first who infact kill innocents WITHOUT VERIFICATION even if they had actually ate beef they don't deserve this lunacy
Read post tagged in this reply and see corresponding videos @uppercut
You are back again to arguing that Cows are NOT Holy in Hinduism ? How many times do I need to educate you on that ? What will it take for you to accept that Cows are holy and literally worshiped in India ? What form of evidence will you need in order for you to acknowledge that ? Can you name that explicitly so that we can stop going in circles?
I am asking because obviously you seem to be unable to deduce as to why cow protection articles are written in Indian constitution or why public figures are issuing dire threats to Muslims?. It appears you think this is all a well orchestrated scam to target Muslims who according to you never did any wrong.
So go ahead list out what it will take for you to acknowledge that cows are holy in Hinduism.
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Are you really asking why does one religious right wing, hate another religious right wing? Hatred is what these ideologies are based on in the first place. If religious (or other right wings) ceased to hate on those who are different, they would stop exisiting.
Their stance is not to celebrate the differences of humanity. Their stance is always to hate those who are different. Different religion, different gender, different sexuality, different race. They hate all. And this is true for any religious right wing in any country.
Their stance is not to celebrate the differences of humanity. Their stance is always to hate those who are different. Different religion, different gender, different sexuality, different race. They hate all. And this is true for any religious right wing in any country.
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Stop forcing your narrow definition of Hinduism on other Hindus. There are many sects and different following of Hindus based on region and culture. And Hinduism never put blanket ban or rule for worshipping cows.
For example, in places like Kerala, this is simply not true.
Just because north Indians are in the majority, stop trying to force your version on others.
The only constant in Hinduism is how flexible it is, and how broad the rules and adaptation are. Which is why it survived so many thousands of years despite so many trying to convert us.
Stop being narrow minded and trying to make Hinduism into narrow Abrahamic religions which ban stuff or are restricted. Hinduism never allows that. All our Gods always asked us to question mindless bans and rituals. They also always said they are just guides and its upto the individual to choose what he does.
I have always said this, but the loud mouthed Hindutva thekedars of Hinduism understand Hinduism the least. They just believe it is another Abrahamic religion where God tells us who to worship, what to eat, how many times to pray. When Hinduism is the opposite of that. Hinduism is a broad philosophy of exploring the world, getting your own answers, adapting with times and being an individual and not someone blindly following rules and rituals.
Are you saying cows are not considered sacred by Hindus in India ( south or north) ? ( If so ) then go ahead provide some authentic religious texts that validate your claim.
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You have to understand Hindus fall on a spectrum from believing cows are sacred and cannot be harmed to completely disagreeing.
There are the hardcore Hindus who believe Cows are sacred and not only they themselves but no one else can harm them
There are the moderate ones who agree they're sacred and won't consume beef personally but don't mind others eating it
There are the casual ones who sort of agree they're sacred but are culturally used to eating it
Finally I suppose there are those who don't agree they're sacred
etc. etc.
I'm perfectly fine respecting sincere beliefs but don't make it seem like every Hindu supports the effort to completely ban cow slaughter.
My point is That this is not supported by religious texts. You cannot be a true Hindu if you do not believe that the cow is sacred. Because every religious text right from the Rigveda to the Bhagwad Gita to the various sampradayas to the much modern times of Swami Dayanand Saraswati or if you prefer the more legal option - The Supreme court of India and the Constitution of India say that the cow is sacred.
So no, "casual Hindus who eat beef" are not operating on some valid alternative religious scriptures or interpretation. They’re simply Hindus who have abandoned the clear injunctions of their own tradition. You can be born Hindu, raised Hindu, and still violate Hinduism’s core texts. That doesn’t create a "spectrum of belief" ... it creates a spectrum of obedience.
Saying "I’m Hindu but beef is fine" is no different from a Muslim declaring "I’m devout, but pork and wine are just tasty cultural food so no big deal. In Islam, that’s instantly recognized as a blatant contradiction of the Quran’s clear prohibition. No one entertains that excuse.
If someone says " I’m Hindu but I eat beef " the honest translation is: I’m culturally Hindu, but I reject one of the most unambiguous commandments of my religion." That’s their personal choice.But let’s not pretend it’s authentic Hinduism thats supported by the scriptures.
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Ah I see the problem. For you, Hinduism is like Islam - where what is written in the texts is paramount and inviolable. Only minor interpretations are possible but the major concepts cannot be challenged.
I don't think most Hindus think that way. Unlike Muslims and the Quran, 99% of Hindus wouldn't be able to quote you a line from the Vedas or the Upanishads which most scholars consider the core scriptures of Hinduism. Even the Gita, most folks can only tell what they remember from some TV show.
Hindu practices i.e. rituals, food restrictions, praying requirements and many others are dictated by a combination of tradition, local culture and instructions from whatever guru folks follow.
If you do want to treat Hinduism like Islam where the sacred books are inviolate and cannot be overruled by personal belief then I'm afraid you're going to spend a long time reconciling the various contradictions they contain. Muslims try various justifications to explain the contradictions in theirs. Hindus just ignore them and do 'what feels right'. Your choosing differently doesn't impose this choice on everyone.
Forget quoting from Vedas or Upanishads or Gita ... which Hindu tradition, local culture and Guru anywhere in India is preaching that cows are not sacred ? Do you think the Supreme Court and the Constitution of India don't exactly reflect those tradition and culture ?
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Again - the disagreement is with how seriously to take those stipulations and whether the particular stipulations and prohibitions apply today. There are a lot of prohibitions and stipulations for various classes of Hindus in the Vedas and Upanishads. Do you feel that someone who disagrees with any of them is not a Hindu?
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So do you agree with the dark skinned guys to be treated as crap and sub human. How can you be part of the same religion but not see each other as Human beings.
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Stop making excuses every time around. No it is not UNANIMOUSLY agreed upon to not consume cow meat in diet. Because I have already produced excerpts from your religious books in this very thread MULTIPLE Times before. And for argument sake, if what you assert is true then are Majority of South Indians BLASPHEMOUS ppl to consume their deity??? And why no legal punishment there for cow meat consuming. As I have said either apply the law uniformly or stop abusing it against Muslims selectively.
show me the post# or tell me which Hindu religious text did you quote from.
Who told you that majority of South Indians do not consider Cow as sacred ? Are you going by the videos you posted in Post# 3505 ?
The answer to that is very simple and it is extremely obvious for anyone that is born and bought up in India about the stature of cows. Its quite astonishing that you and @Sachin fan seem to be not aware of this at all and are claiming that there exists a prominent section of Hindu society that does not believe in that.
It is such an obvious big redline that the matter has been heard by none other than the Supreme court itself. And for good measure it is clearly documented in the Constitution of India and legally enforced by vast majority of the country. That should be enough evidence as to how serious that matter is and the verdict.
Yes we are not as rigid as the Abrahamic religions when it comes to enforcement but that does not mean that people can start claiming that Cows are not sacred per Hinduism.
Now you claimed in post# 3512 that:
It is such an obvious big redline that the matter has been heard by none other than the Supreme court itself. And for good measure it is clearly documented in the Constitution of India and legally enforced by vast majority of the country. That should be enough evidence as to how serious that matter is and the verdict.
Yes we are not as rigid as the Abrahamic religions when it comes to enforcement but that does not mean that people can start claiming that Cows are not sacred per Hinduism.
Now you claimed in post# 3512 that:
who are these Hindu Gurus and local traditions and cultures that do not believe that the cow is sacred ? ( just curious who these are )
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Uppercut doesn't know what he is talking about. That has been established a long time ago.
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