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Virat Kohli has brought shame to India in LOIs

Mamoon said:
Same conditions, same pitch, same opposition, same stipulations.

Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli would collectively outscore Gilchrist, Hayden and Ponting.
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Not true and these stats mean nothing without the ultimate goal: TROPHIES.

gilchrist, Hayden, Ponting scored massive when it mattered and won 3 consecutive world cups which is the ultimate
 
Manunited18 said:
Not true and these stats mean nothing without the ultimate goal: TROPHIES.

gilchrist, Hayden, Ponting scored massive when it mattered and won 3 consecutive world cups which is the ultimate
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absolutely I agree with this. Kohli has won a world cup and champions trophy but I don't believe he scored much. Maybe in the final I think he had 40 odd.

He has to prove in 2023.
 
Mamoon said:
He is too big a figure to play under someone else’s captaincy. He is the face of cricket today and it will be unfair to whoever leads the team in his presence. The spotlight will always be on him.

He is a very good captain but he doesn’t have any luck. However, he will eventually deliver a trophy for India under his captaincy,
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So if India wins does that mean he got lucky? LOL
 
Kohli has destroyed Indian legacy and turned into new world Chokers. His idiotic policy and favouring friends have caused Indian team lot of silverware. If he is going to captain Team India in 2023 WC, then we will have another choke coming our way. Kohli will never be in same league as Ponting purely based on his lack of substantial inning in WC KO games.

Kohli has turned India a laughing stock. I can’t believe we have players like Thakur and Jadhav playing for us :facepalm:
 
Kohli is a great batsman, but I'm not too sure about his captaincy. I rate Dhoni's captaincy higher than Kohli :dhoni
 
Kohli, the LoI captain deserves all the brickbats coming his way...

He has destroyed India's LoI by his senseless selections. Kind of selection choices he has at his disposal should have ensured that we should have won at least 1 WC in LoIs.

But when he has to select his chums continually then these will be the results we'll get under him.
 
And lol at some uninformed souls placing Kohli over Tendulkar. Kohli can only dream to be of as big stature as Tendulkar has over his entire career.
 
And people writing Thakur's cricketing obituary would do well to remember that Kohli is still in charge of Indian cricket.
 
Sure doesn't feel like he's brought India shame. They just demolished them 5-0 in the format we have a WC coming up for.

That being said though, NZ sure did lay into this star-studded team. 3-0 is very embarrassing for a team as good as India's. Let's see how the test matches go.
 
zulfiqar said:
That being said though, NZ sure did lay into this star-studded team. 3-0 is very embarrassing for a team as good as India's. Let's see how the test matches go.
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Genuine Indian fans know that Indian ODI team in its current form isn't remotely as good as we are projected to be. Last year's ODI WC and this ODI series have proved this in ample measure.

We've been carrying so many passengers for long now.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
No LOI trophies, serially choking in tournament finals. And now India got whitewashed in ODIs for the first time in 31 years. That's the world record for any team not being whitewashed in any format, which got broken today.

He also captained RCB in IPL for 10 years and didn't win a single time despite having Gayle and ABD in prime.

Kohli is a good test captain but he's clearly not good in LOIs, especially ODIs. He's been piggybacking Dhoni and Rohit. Now Dhoni is practically retired and Rohit is injured, thus India got demolished.

He should hand over captaincy to Rohit. Even Tendulkar quit when he had to.
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wait for the world cup to happen on rank turners
 
Virat Kohli is a very good player but not captaincy material, Rohit is much better option:)
 
Ego cost him CT 2017 (ICC tournament) ; bias/favoritism CT 2019 (world cup)
Hope he learns that selecting yes men is no good and the team is not going to performing well.
Picking only favourite ones or deadwood caused India disastrous results when Dhoni was captain of test teams and one T20 WC
And as for LOI ODI/T20 tournaments - India did not win a tournament outside SC after 2013 CT and lost a glorious opportunity in 2014 to win one.

It is high time kohli gets his strategies better and win one or renounce Captaincy.
Not many captains are privileged to have a good pool of players & resort to biased selections leading to failures.
 
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This shows how much important Rohit Sharma is in the Indian line up. He would have given at least one one match-winning performance with bat plus his experience as vice-captain is quite valuable too.
 
ind_win said:
Ego cost him CT 2017 (ICC tournament) ; bias/favoritism CT 2019 (world cup)
Hope he learns that selecting yes men is no good and the team is not going to performing well.
Picking only favourite ones or deadwood caused India disastrous results when Dhoni was captain of test teams and one T20 WC
And as for LOI ODI/T20 tournaments - India did not win a tournament outside SC after 2013 CT and lost a glorious opportunity in 2014 to win one.

It is high time kohli gets his strategies better and win one or renounce Captaincy.
Not many captains are privileged to have a good pool of players & resort to biased selections leading to failures.
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this is also my problem with him and indian selectors. So much favoritism.
 
Virat has one of the best bowling attacks in Indian cricket at his disposal.There's no excuse for not winning trophies

MSD and Rohit(IPL) have won trophies with much worse bowlers
 
Saurav said:
Virat has one of the best bowling attacks in Indian cricket at his disposal.There's no excuse for not winning trophies

MSD and Rohit(IPL) have won trophies with much worse bowlers
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msd won at home. virat can win in 2023 at home.
 
cric_4life said:
Yo can say whatever... India is winning 2023 world cup under Kohli. There could be several reasons but result will remain the same.
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it is bound to happen at some point. With such a strong indian side it would really be a shame if india don't win it. Have a good feeling they will win in 2023.

virat just needs to pick the best players and not his favourites to win. That's it.
 
tyron_woodley said:
it is bound to happen at some point. With such a strong indian side it would really be a shame if india don't win it. Have a good feeling they will win in 2023.

virat just needs to pick the best players and not his favourites to win. That's it.
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That's the difference between India team and pakistan team.. India gives chances to a lot more new players and are not scared of loosing. Varies pak looses one match and they go back TTFs.
Virat could have played a very strong team in NZ and could have won ODI series 3-0. But he gave chance to new players.
 
Kohli has the fourth highest win ratio of any ODI captain with 40+ games. Not shameful really
 
As far as T20s go on the other hand, India has not mastered the tactics of T20 cricket. They could learn from England and that would help a lot.
 
viveks said:
As far as T20s go on the other hand, India has not mastered the tactics of T20 cricket. They could learn from England and that would help a lot.
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learn from. a bunch of hackidos ? no thanks. India is better. just pick the right players. That's all I ask.
 
cric_4life said:
That's the difference between India team and pakistan team.. India gives chances to a lot more new players and are not scared of loosing. Varies pak looses one match and they go back TTFs.
Virat could have played a very strong team in NZ and could have won ODI series 3-0. But he gave chance to new players.
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Who could have played in that very strong team Virat would have played in NZ?
Dhoni? DK? Jadhav, Kuldeep for all 3 ODI's?
 
I think Kohli should remain captain for at least the next decade
 
Mobashir said:
Who could have played in that very strong team Virat would have played in NZ?
Dhoni? DK? Jadhav, Kuldeep for all 3 ODI's?
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jhadav
thakur
shouldn't be in the team whatsoever.

Mayank
even Shaw
all are backups and are test beasts. in odi they are good but still learning.


dhawan
rohit
pandya
bhuvi

also gill

these guys all could have played. Would have smacked n.z full strength team as well.
 
Mobashir said:
Who could have played in that very strong team Virat would have played in NZ?
Dhoni? DK? Jadhav, Kuldeep for all 3 ODI's?
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Dhawan and Rohit, who are literally 2/3rds of our odi batting lineup and also Bhuvi instead of Shardul. This was our "A team" according to the logic you normally use to downplay Indian series wins. :)

Oh I forgot Pandya ji.
 
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Mesozoic said:
Dhawan and Rohit, who are literally 2/3rds of our odi batting lineup and also Bhuvi instead of Shardul. This was our "A team" according to the logic you normally use to downplay Indian series wins. :)

Oh I forgot Pandya ji.
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and also gill ji in middle order at number 6. All young guns start in lower order. Even kohli won a world cup playing at number 5 or 6.
 
pakistanisgreat said:
Why do you think Rohit will make a difference in international cricket as a captain?
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He has already proved himself in the chances he's got,winning Asia Cup and Nidahas Trophy.Virat is yet to win a tournament despite way more chances

Even in IPL,Rohit comes across as a calm and clever skipper
 
tyron_woodley said:
learn from. a bunch of hackidos ? no thanks. India is better. just pick the right players. That's all I ask.
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T20 is a game of "hackidos", so yes they should, do you think for example that India could chase down 220+ regularly with the way they currently play? I don't think so. India seem to think that you need to "build an innings" in T20 and "keep wickets in hand", England don't have those nonsense conceptions.
 
Virat Kohli has dropped to 10 in T20I rankings....
 
Why do these kind of posts keep popping up?

Kohli is horrible tactically and the team selection between him and the freeloading coach are typically horrible.

But lets give credit where it is due, under Kohli:

1. India finally became an aggressive team in all formats
2. He leads with his work ethic and made fitness a priority (although few exceptions exist like Jhadav)
3. He believes in India's fast bowling talents, even old leftovers like Ishant Sharma have blossomed under him.

I am totally on board with Rohit as captain, dude is a champ, his captaincy in Asia cup was benchmark
 
viveks said:
T20 is a game of "hackidos", so yes they should, do you think for example that India could chase down 220+ regularly with the way they currently play? I don't think so. India seem to think that you need to "build an innings" in T20 and "keep wickets in hand", England don't have those nonsense conceptions.
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india needs to pick the right players. That's all. They will win the world cup if they do.
 
The way he and his coach try to brush these LOI failures under carpet is worrisome to me more than the losses.
 
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I’ve said it a MILLION times before and I’ll say it again: Kohli is not a captain.

He is a leader within the team but he does not have the mind for a captain.
 
viveks said:
T20 is a game of "hackidos", so yes they should, do you think for example that India could chase down 220+ regularly with the way they currently play? I don't think so. India seem to think that you need to "build an innings" in T20 and "keep wickets in hand", England don't have those nonsense conceptions.
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Hackidos can't chase 220 no matter what. To date, there are only 5 instances where a team chased down 220+ scores. No team can do this in regular interval.

England (226, 230), WI (236), Ind (244), Aus (245). The field, the pitch, the weather, and the stars need to align properly for something especial like this to happen.
 
tyron_woodley said:
jhadav
thakur
shouldn't be in the team whatsoever.

Mayank
even Shaw
all are backups and are test beasts. in odi they are good but still learning.


dhawan
rohit
pandya
bhuvi

also gill

these guys all could have played. Would have smacked n.z full strength team as well.
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Your post makes no sense.. you say kohli erred in team selection and your alternatives are all players on injury list. He did best with resources he had and dint have much replacements.
NZ was better odi team because of established top order and all rounders
 
globalcitizen said:
Your post makes no sense.. you say kohli erred in team selection and your alternatives are all players on injury list. He did best with resources he had and dint have much replacements.
NZ was better odi team because of established top order and all rounders
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ohhh. you mean from the ones available?

then gill, vijay shankar and even dubey were better options than fodders like jhadav and thakur.

vijay is not a nobody. he scored vs n.z in 2018. he played well and got wickets.
 
Mamoon said:
He is too big a figure to play under someone else’s captaincy. He is the face of cricket today and it will be unfair to whoever leads the team in his presence. The spotlight will always be on him.

He is a very good captain but he doesn’t have any luck. However, he will eventually deliver a trophy for India under his captaincy,
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:))

If that happens, it would be INSPITE of his captaincy.

Not because of it.

This idiot needs to go.
 
Kohli the captain is shielded from criticism because of Kohli the batsman.

He's a very ordinary captain who is found wanting in pressure situation; where leadership is put to test.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
:))

If that happens, it would be INSPITE of his captaincy.

Not because of it.

This idiot needs to go.
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He deserves the honor of leading India in home World Cups. I am sure India will win at least one of the two tournaments and he deserves to lift the cup based on his services to Indian cricket.

Indian fans are acting like spoiled children. It is true that your team is incredible and deserves to win more trophies but you also need to be grateful.
 
Snowflake said:
Kohli the captain is shielded from criticism because of Kohli the batsman.

He's a very ordinary captain who is found wanting in pressure situation; where leadership is put to test.
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And also because he is the most successful Asian Test captain ever. His captaincy is not great in white ball cricket but he deserves some leeway.
 
Mamoon said:
He deserves the honor of leading India in home World Cups. I am sure India will win at least one of the two tournaments and he deserves to lift the cup based on his services to Indian cricket.

Indian fans are acting like spoiled children. It is true that your team is incredible and deserves to win more trophies but you also need to be grateful.
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Grateful?

Why not call back MS Dhoni to play in WC cos he has won all trophies. :))

Kohli deserves NOTHING.

We saw this guy's planning for 2019 WC. Thanks but no thanks.

He deserves the honor of leading India in home World Cups.
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It is true that your team is incredible and deserves to win more trophies but you also need to be grateful.
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So we DESERVE to win more trophies but we need to be GRATEFUL to have an idiot lead us who could cost us some trophies?

lol.
 
Kohli proves it once more that your best player need not be the best man to lead you.
 
Mamoon said:
And also because he is the most successful Asian Test captain ever. His captaincy is not great in white ball cricket but he deserves some leeway.
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Lol, he doesn't deserve anything. Indian cricket and us fans owe him nothing. He has disappointed us way too many times now to deserve anything.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Grateful?

Why not call back MS Dhoni to play in WC cos he has won all trophies. :))

Kohli deserves NOTHING.

We saw this guy's planning for 2019 WC. Thanks but no thanks.





So we DESERVE to win more trophies but we need to be GRATEFUL to have an idiot lead us who could cost us some trophies?

lol.
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Lol Pakistan deserve this humiliation and India deserve to be grateful
 
I can see Pakistan fans turning on Babar just like the Indian fans have turned on Kohli.
 
Hasan123 said:
I can see Pakistan fans turning on Babar just like the Indian fans have turned on Kohli.
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I definitely wouldnt turn on him to be honest it's a win win situation if he performs and captains well excellent.if he fails as a captain but keeps performing that's good azwell.
 
Something is going on with Kohli. He is not up to his usual stratospheric standards for a while now.

He will be back I suppose, and that's scary for opposition.

I think the secret will be for him to hand over LOI captaincy and focus on his batting. That may unleash the monster once again.
 
tyron_woodley said:
Keep doubting him. You all will regret it when he win the WC in 2023.
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What regretting? It will be embarrassment of highest order if India doesn't win the WC in 2023.

Its all easy to say and get away with 3 years still left from the tournament but a good captain would have already won multiple tournaments and IPL titles for his team by now.
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
Something is going on with Kohli. He is not up to his usual stratospheric standards for a while now.

He will be back I suppose, and that's scary for opposition.

I think the secret will be for him to hand over LOI captaincy and focus on his batting. That may unleash the monster once again.
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He feels as if he’s being overshadowed by Bobby Prince and he just can’t handle that mentally.
 
Ab Fan said:
What regretting? It will be embarrassment of highest order if India doesn't win the WC in 2023.

Its all easy to say and get away with 3 years still left from the tournament but a good captain would have already won multiple tournaments and IPL titles for his team by now.
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i know. but tbf kohli did help india reach world number 1 for 4 years in tests.
in short formats i agree he is a poor captain. i dont want to see a rift between him and sharma or whoever else is appointed as captain in the short format.
 
Batting legend Sunil Gavaskar has pointed out several reasons behind Royal Challengers Bangalore not being able to break their IPL duck despite boasting of a balanced squad for the ongoing season. Among them, captain Virat Kohli not being able to matching the high standards he has set in batting, was a prominent reason, feels Gavaskar.

Kohli though was decent with the bat, hitting 466 runs at 42.36.

“Looking at the high standards that he sets for himself, maybe he would say he didn’t quite match that and that’s one of the reasons why RCB weren’t able to go through,” Gavaskar said on Star Sports.

Gavaskar says when Kohli and AB de Villiers score big, it reflects on their scoreboard.

“…Because when he scores those big runs along with AB de Villiers, they invariably have big scores.”

Before the season got underway, Kohli sounded confident saying he has never felt so calm before a season because this time around, RCB have got a balanced squad. But Gavaskar feels bowling, as has been the case historically, continues to be their weak point.

“If anything, their bowling has always been their weak point. Even now, in this particular team, they have got an Aaron Finch, who is a fine T20 player, young Devdutt Padikkal, who began well and then Virat Kohli and AB de Villiers, then you have really got it made,” he said.

He also advised RCB to find someone who can be a designated finisher and for that they have to rethink what role Shivam Dube can play in their Playing XI.

“I think where they need to do a little bit of thinking is give Shivam Dube a proper role. Dube has gone down and Sundar has gone up and down. If he can be given a role, and told to go out there and thrash the ball, it might help him. He is confused now. If they can get a solid player at No. 5, then it will ease the pressure of de Villiers and Virat,” he said .

RCB won seven of their first 10 matches before losing the next five including Friday night’s Eliminator to Sunrisers Hyderabad.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...reason-behind-rcbs-exit-sunil-gavaskar-955936
 
Except for one year(2016), Kohli has just been a stat-booster in RCB.

RCB's best batsmen in early part of 2010s was Chris Gayle and since then, its AB de Villiers.
 
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tyron_woodley said:
Keep doubting him. You all will regret it when he win the WC in 2023.
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Kohli won't be captaining us in 2023. He will be sacked/made to resign after the inevitable defeat at the hands of Aus/Eng/NZ/WI/Afg/Sco in the T20 WC semi final and Rohit will be made captain.

And then it's a mere formality of us winning T20 WC in Australia and the home world cup under Hitman the great. :)
 
Mesozoic said:
Kohli won't be captaining us in 2023. He will be sacked/made to resign after the inevitable defeat at the hands of Aus/Eng/NZ/WI/Afg/Sco in the T20 WC semi final and Rohit will be made captain.

And then it's a mere formality of us winning T20 WC in Australia and the home world cup under Hitman the great. :)
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Lol initially I thought your post was serious :))
 
An MNC cannot have two CEOs", said former India skipper Kapil Dev on Friday, making his stance clear on the raging debate over whether the national cricket team should go for split captaincy. Ever since Rohit Sharma guided Mumbai Indians to a fifth IPL title, a debate on split captaincy has gathered momentum with several former players suggesting that the opener be handed the leadership of at least the T20 side. Virat Kohli currently leads India in all three formats.

"In our culture it is not going to happen that way. In one company you make two CEOs? No. If Kohli is going to play T20s and he is good enough, let him be there. Even though I would like to see other people coming out. But it's difficult," said Kapil at the HT Leadership Summit which was held virtually.

"Our 80 per cent, 70 per cent of the team across formats is same team. They don't like captains having different theory. It may bring more differences between the players who look up to the captain.

"If you have two captains, players might think he is going to be my captain in Tests. I will not annoy him."

The 61-year-old recently underwent an angioplasty after suffering a heart attack. Talking about the art of fast bowling, the 1983 World Cup-winning former skipper said fast bowlers opting for too many variations saddens him.

"I am not happy with fast bowlers (these days). The first ball cannot be cross seam. Players in IPL realised that swing is more important than pace. Sandeep (Sharma), who bowled 120 kph, was tougher because he was moving the ball," he explained.

"Bowlers have to understand it's not the pace, it's the swing. They should learn but are running away from art. T Natarajan was my hero of IPL – young boy was fearless and bowling so many yorkers," the legendary all-rounder said referring to the two SunRisers Hyderabad pacers.

Kapil feels variations are a waste if one doesn't know how to swing the ball.

"Keep your wrist straight, hold the ball seam-up. Whenever the ball moves Tests matches become important. Wasim, Botham, Willis, Hadlee. McGrath, look how good he was," he said.

"The art of swing bowling should come back. Learning the knuckle ball and all is fine. If you don't know how to swing the ball, everything is waste."

However, the battery of pacers that India possesses now pleases Kapil immensely.

"Look at Shami, Bumrah. As a cricketer, it gives me a lot of happiness to say that today we depend on our fast bowlers. Our bowlers are capable of taking 20 wickets in a match. We've had spinners - Kumble, Harbhajan, but today no country would like to say 'give them bouncy wickets'."

He also appealed to the ICC to ensure Test cricket doesn't die in the age of T20 cricket.

"If it (Test cricket) dies, I would say ICC have done the worst thing... Let us not let it die... Yes cricket has changed. People around the world only want to play IPL, BBL and tournaments like that... I would say IPL has given us strength. What used to be county cricket, every player used to play there (in England) but today IPL is giving the same benefit to us as the players are coming and playing in India," said the great all-rounder.

"...Don't just think about T20 or IPL, you have to look after first class cricket, Tests and ODIs.

"Yes, money making factor is there but we should not forget our tradition. Tennis for example, we still have Wimbledon played on grass," said Kapil.

He also added that whoever wins the upcoming India-Australia series, the team should go on to the win the World Test Championship.

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/kapil-dev-says-split-captaincy-cannot-work-in-indian-culture-2328129
 
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