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On the road to score 6th double hundred in last 15 months (22nd match).

Bradman once scored 6 200s in 13 matches and another set of 6 double centuries in 20 matches.
 
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Pretty much on his way. These four were also like that.
 
MAN is crazy form...6 double and counting,,,can break BDMN record if goes this way.
 
Seems like he has already scored more double than Tendulkar, hasn’t he?

Can’t be bothered to look
 
With the amount of series we seem to play against Lanka, I wouldn’t be surprised if Kohli has more than 10 double hundreds by the time he retires..
 
He plays ground shots most of the time. So he will keep doing this. His game is a risk free cricket by nature even when he is attacking.
 
thelandofthebravepeople said:
These runs against SL are as much worth as those scored against Bangladesh 2001-2010
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How many series BD won in that period? SL just whitewashed Aus at home and also whitewashed Pakistan in UAE. SL being no match for India in Asian conditions say less about SL and more about India.

SL is far superior to BD of 2001-2010. It's not even close.
 
Buffet said:
How many series BD won in that period? SL just whitewashed Aus at home and also whitewashed Pakistan in UAE. SL being no match for India in Asian conditions say less about SL and more about India.

SL is far superior to BD of 2001-2010. It's not even close.
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why go that far. In the 1st test in the 2nd innings India was in a precarious position when he made that 100. There was an outside chance for SL to win the first test when they lost Rahane.
 
Buffet said:
How many series BD won in that period? SL just whitewashed Aus at home and also whitewashed Pakistan in UAE. SL being no match for India in Asian conditions say less about SL and more about India.

SL is far superior to BD of 2001-2010. It's not even close.
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Spot on people who are discounting these runs are failing to understand the gap between these two teams.

SL just beat Pakistan away 2-0 which never happened before and it swept Australia 3-0.

Wi in 1980s/Australia in 2000s used to beat teams like this That made those teams great but necessarily other teams bad.

Herath is made to look like club bowler but he is a very good bowler, so is Perara.
 
thelandofthebravepeople said:
These runs against SL are as much worth as those scored against Bangladesh 2001-2010
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So when did Bangladesh away-sweep a side that had recently been #1 in that period?

When did Bangladesh sweep Australia?

Srilanka's results (except against India) recently in Test have been not just ok, but actually good.
 
jadaja said:
Spot on people who are discounting these runs are failing to understand the gap between these two teams.

SL just beat Pakistan away 2-0 which never happened before and it swept Australia 3-0.

Wi in 1980s/Australia in 2000s used to beat teams like this That made those teams great but necessarily other teams bad.

Herath is made to look like club bowler but he is a very good bowler, so is Perara.
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Herath is averaging around 50 against India despite being successful against others, including Pakistan. Sometime posters need to give some credit and move on.
 
Aman said:
How many of those doubles have come away from home?
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Overall,

1 vs Eng which was a high quality knock
1 vs NZ on dead rubber
1 vs WI in WI( patta)
1 vs SL
1 vs Ban

Some minnow bashing but then it is a case with everyone.
 
Ab Fan said:
Overall,

1 vs Eng which was a high quality knock
1 vs NZ on dead rubber
1 vs WI in WI( patta)
1 vs SL
1 vs Ban

Some minnow bashing but then it is a case with everyone.
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In SC conditions neither Srilanka nor Bangladesh qualify as being minnows.

He's playing phenomenally well. Part of the thing with scoring double centuries etc is that it will happen in matches that look uncompetitive. For the most part, the reason the matches will look uncompetitive is because he is scoring double centuries.

He walked in at 78/2, the next man in scored 1. Imagine Rahane had walked in instead, India would be at 80/3. So calling this innings as minnow-bashing is extremely backwards thinking.
 
CricketAnalyst said:
In SC conditions neither Srilanka nor Bangladesh qualify as being minnows.

He's playing phenomenally well. Part of the thing with scoring double centuries etc is that it will happen in matches that look uncompetitive. For the most part, the reason the matches will look uncompetitive is because he is scoring double centuries.

He walked in at 78/2, the next man in scored 1. Imagine Rahane had walked in instead, India would be at 80/3. So calling this innings as minnow-bashing is extremely backwards thinking.
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Just imagine what might have been said .... if SL had NOT beaten Pakistan just recently :) all the usual suspect trolls have been banished to their woodworks ... if India does not do well in SAF next month they will be back here claiming victory and singing the usual tunes.
 
Virat Kohli is the God of Cricket and He continues to get better!
 
Tusker said:
Just imagine what might have been said .... if SL had NOT beaten Pakistan just recently :) all the usual suspect trolls have been banished to their woodworks ... if India does not do well in SAF next month they will be back here claiming victory and singing the usual tunes.
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Kohli has potential to be the GOAT.. He needs to perform in SA and England and help us win a series there.. If he does that he will be GOAT batsman.. If he fails at the end of his career he will be behind Tendu and Viv imo but may still be in top 5 batsman ever..
 
Kohli is a brilliant player; he has good technique and desire that is unmatched. Tendulkar was more mechanical in his run scoring in tests, often scoring without taking risks, whereas Kohli seems to want to dominate. He will be tested in the next year but i am sure he will come through.
 
He will retire as the greatest batsman of all time - he has the ability and the determination.
 
Kohli reminds me of Ponting so much.

Ponting didn't just want to score. He wanted to dominate and demoralise opposition bowlers into submission.


Best part is he looked so safe. And the dude is going at 85+ S/R. Some people really need to stop being sore and enjoy a great player.
 
In tests he will have a brilliant peak I'm convinced. Once he gets a start in tests, you just have that feeling that he will go and get a big score.
 
Buffet said:
A bit too much to be honest. He has to do a lot for that.
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Well it may sound outlandish, but I don’t think it’s out of question when you take a deeper look and take his career trajectory into consideration.

He is among the top 3 best ODI batsman already and will probably end up as the greatest ever. He’s already the ultimate T20 batsman, and if he can reach an ATG level in Tests - and he seems to be on his way - he will have a very strong claim for the greatest batsman of all time tag.
 
Say what you may ... but Kohli is the undisputed King of the batting .... at least for now !!!! How long he can keep this up ???? Not easy to say. This guy is an absolute Fitness Freak. Might as well enjoy it as long as he is not playing against us !!!!!!
 
Mamoon said:
He will retire as the greatest batsman of all time - he has the ability and the determination.
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He doesn't have the skill set equivalent to VIV or even Sachin for that matter.
 
BaankeJi said:
I won't go that far. Nobody can surpass Sir Bradman.
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A batsman doesn’t have to average 100 to surpass Bradman. Different eras, different times, different measures.

The game has changed and evolved so much that a direct comparison between a modern player and a player from an amateur era like Bradman cannot be established.

Bradman would not have averaged 99 in today’s game with multiple formats against multiple opponents in different conditions.

A batsman reaching an ATG level in all three formats is certainly a serious rival for Bradman. The discrimination against the modern players needs to stop. In today’s game, how better would Bradman have been compared to Kohli? Not by much, if at all.
 
CricketAnalyst said:
In SC conditions neither Srilanka nor Bangladesh qualify as being minnows.

He's playing phenomenally well. Part of the thing with scoring double centuries etc is that it will happen in matches that look uncompetitive. For the most part, the reason the matches will look uncompetitive is because he is scoring double centuries.

He walked in at 78/2, the next man in scored 1. Imagine Rahane had walked in instead, India would be at 80/3. So calling this innings as minnow-bashing is extremely backwards thinking.
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Not minnows but weak bowling.

Ban outside home are minnows and SL outside SL are the same.
 
Ab Fan said:
He doesn't have the skill set equivalent to VIV or even Sachin for that matter.
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He may not be at their level skill-wise, but his mentality is right up there with the very best in history. It is certainly better than Tendulkar’s.

He is a relentless machine who is obsessed with succeeding. If Tendulkar had his motivation, he would have undoubtedly been the greatest ever.
 
Mamoon said:
He may not be at their level skill-wise, but his mentality is right up there with the very best in history. It is certainly better than Tendulkar’s.

He is a relentless machine who is obsessed with succeeding. If Tendulkar had his motivation, he would have undoubtedly been the greatest ever.
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I think Tendulkar himself had massive hunger and thrive for runs and hence he own most of those batting records.

Kohli's test will be in overseas conditions when he will face tougher attacks in bowling conditions. At home, he missed out against Aus and SA when the conditions were tougher and Smith outperformed him in his backyard. Hence, I still think he doesn't have the skill set matching Viv, Tendulkar or Lara to become the greatest ever but he should end up as the best batsmen among all who debuted post 2000s.
 
Ab Fan said:
I think Tendulkar himself had massive hunger and thrive for runs and hence he own most of those batting records.

Kohli's test will be in overseas conditions when he will face tougher attacks in bowling conditions. At home, he missed out against Aus and SA when the conditions were tougher and Smith outperformed him in his backyard. Hence, I still think he doesn't have the skill set matching Viv, Tendulkar or Lara to become the greatest ever but he should end up as the best batsmen among all who debuted post 2000s.
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According to mamoon Saab, Kohli is better than Bradman and Lara combined. He's the bestest in the world a real shoopershtars. Just ignore the fact that he hasn't scored much outside against good bowlers on sporting pitches (Aussie pitches are pancakes) and that he averages a healthy 13 in England.
 
Ab Fan said:
I think Tendulkar himself had massive hunger and thrive for runs and hence he own most of those batting records.

Kohli's test will be in overseas conditions when he will face tougher attacks in bowling conditions. At home, he missed out against Aus and SA when the conditions were tougher and Smith outperformed him in his backyard. Hence, I still think he doesn't have the skill set matching Viv, Tendulkar or Lara to become the greatest ever but he should end up as the best batsmen among all who debuted post 2000s.
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He is a more complete batsman than Lara, and a great World Cup away from surpassing Viv in ODIs.

Tendulkar was hard working but he wasn’t tenacious like Kohli. His eyes while batting says everything that needs to be said about the man. Along with Steve Waugh, he is probably the most intense and dedicated cricketer I have seen in my life - he has forced his way to the top.

I didn’t see Imran play live, but he’s up there with Kohli and Steve Waugh as far as dedication is concerned.
 
Mamoon said:
He is a more complete batsman than Lara, and a great World Cup away from surpassing Viv in ODIs.

Tendulkar was hard working but he wasn’t tenacious like Kohli. His eyes while batting says everything that needs to be said about the man. Along with Steve Waugh, he is probably the most intense and dedicated cricketer I have seen in my life - he has forced his way to the top.

I didn’t see Imran play live, but he’s up there with Kohli and Steve Waugh as far as dedication is concerned.
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Kohli when in his zone, has the potential to be the best ever.
 
Mamoon said:
He is a more complete batsman than Lara, and a great World Cup away from surpassing Viv in ODIs.

Tendulkar was hard working but he wasn’t tenacious like Kohli. His eyes while batting says everything that needs to be said about the man. Along with Steve Waugh, he is probably the most intense and dedicated cricketer I have seen in my life - he has forced his way to the top.

I didn’t see Imran play live, but he’s up there with Kohli and Steve Waugh as far as dedication is concerned.
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What do you think Kohli needs to do to be considered as the GOAT?
 
Ab Fan said:
Ban outside home are minnows and SL outside SL are the same.
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Let BD whitewash Pakistan in UAE before we go on making such claims. When BD is playing in UAE?
 
Buffet said:
Let BD whitewash Pakistan in UAE before we go on making such claims. When BD is playing in UAE?
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BD may not be able to whietwash Pakistan in UAE but the side SL beat in UAE didnt had a single world class batsmen bar Azhar who is again not a elite test player but just world class at best. That side was Yasir+ nobody. SL did well to defeat them in their backyard but that series isn't enough to consider the assumption that they can beat sides in their backyard in test cricket. I dont back SL to beat BD in BD.

Pakistan are also unpredictable side. So that isn't enough to assume things.
 
Ab Fan said:
BD may not be able to whietwash Pakistan in UAE but the side SL beat in UAE didnt had a single world class batsmen bar Azhar who is again not a elite test player but just world class at best. That side was Yasir+ nobody. SL did well to defeat them in their backyard but that series isn't enough to consider the assumption that they can beat sides in their backyard in test cricket. I dont back SL to beat BD in BD.

Pakistan are also unpredictable side. So that isn't enough to assume things.
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You are simply listing why SL was able to whitewash Pakistan in UAE.

Do you think BD will whitewash Pakistan in UAE? If you don't think so then give some credit to SL.
 
Buffet said:
You are simply listing why SL was able to whitewash Pakistan in UAE.

<B>Do you think BD will whitewash Pakistan in UAE?</B> If you don't think so then give some credit to SL.
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Pakistan are unpredictable side. They can do unbelievable stuffs in both positive and negative ways. So we cant say whether even Australia or England will beat Pakistan in UAE let alone BD.

SL deserves credit for that win obviously but is that enough to assume that they have reinvented their team back and are atleast a good side like they were between 2000-2015? I dont think so.

WI recently won a match in England but does that mean they are a good team now with Gabriel and that young guy( forgot the name) in the team?
 
Kohli has been pretty aggressive with his his SR in last few games.
 
Ab Fan said:
Pakistan are unpredictable side. They can do unbelievable stuffs in both positive and negative ways. So we cant say whether even Australia or England will beat Pakistan in UAE let alone BD.

SL deserves credit for that win obviously but is that enough to assume that they have reinvented their team back and are atleast a good side like they were between 2000-2015? I dont think so.

WI recently won a match in England but does that mean they are a good team now with Gabriel and that young guy( forgot the name) in the team?
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Aus and Eng are not going to win in UAE. I will believe it when it happens. WI whitewashing some one away would be a topic to discuss. Aus won 1 test in India. Eng won one test in BD. Doesn't mean much, both teams failed to win series. Let's see if anyone wins a series in UAE before discarding SL win in UAE.

Sl failed to win in India even with Sanga or Murali so I am not going to read too much into how they do in India right now. Winning in India is hard for everyone. I don't think they have become a world beater, but SL rarely wins away from home and they did win in UAE.
 
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Ab Fan said:
WI recently won a match in England but does that mean they are a good team now with Gabriel and that young guy( forgot the name) in the team?
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Yes. That is what it precisely means. WI are a good team now in Tests.
 
Scores against bachon wali teams, spinning or flat tracks. No matter how much BCCI make him pile runs, he can never reach the stature of Sachin and Lara. They used to perform irrespective of conditions.
 
maxamax said:
Scores against bachon wali teams, spinning or flat tracks. No matter how much BCCI make him pile runs, he can never reach the stature of Sachin and Lara. They used to perform irrespective of conditions.
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That team just swept PAK aside. :murali
 
maxamax said:
Thats because Pakistan was crumbled at that time, otherwise they were piece of cherry cake for Misbah and Co.
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Not even that.

They were gifted the series by stupid decisions by the management. Picking an unfit Amir and only 1 spinner in the UAE coupled with messing up the batting order with Azhar at #3
 
Mamoon said:
Well it may sound outlandish, but I don’t think it’s out of question when you take a deeper look and take his career trajectory into consideration.

He is among the top 3 best ODI batsman already and will probably end up as the greatest ever. He’s already the ultimate T20 batsman, and if he can reach an ATG level in Tests - and he seems to be on his way - he will have a very strong claim for the greatest batsman of all time tag.
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He's not the ultimate T20 batsman. Averaging 50 at a SR of 135 simply does not put him above guys like Gayle because the nature of the game is that beyond a point average is superfluous and SR is king. He puts too much value on his wicket to be GOAT at T20. He's still very good but that's inspite of a wrong approach.
 
Mamoon said:
Well it may sound outlandish, but I don’t think it’s out of question when you take a deeper look and take his career trajectory into consideration.

He is among the top 3 best ODI batsman already and will probably end up as the greatest ever. He’s already the ultimate T20 batsman, and if he can reach an ATG level in Tests - and he seems to be on his way - he will have a very strong claim for the greatest batsman of all time tag.
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I doubt anyone will ever dethrone Viv, he did revolutionary stuff, so unless a new batsman comes along and wins his country a couple world cups, somehow revolutionizes cricket through a new shot or a strategy while maintains a 60+ average in this bating era with a 100+ strike rate, only then King viv will be dethroned.
 
CricketAnalyst said:
He's not the ultimate T20 batsman. Averaging 50 at a SR of 135 simply does not put him above guys like Gayle because the nature of the game is that beyond a point average is superfluous and SR is king. He puts too much value on his wicket to be GOAT at T20. He's still very good but that's inspite of a wrong approach.
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He has won much more T20 games for his country than Gayle ever has. Gayle has lost matches which were easily winnable by throwing his wicket away. You can keep talking about wrong approaches, but Kohli's approach wins him more games than Gayle's. According to your logic slogging every ball is the only approach. Clearly Gayle achieving no where near his potential proves you wrong
 
Kohli in his first 40 tests - avg 43 , 2800 runs

In the last 23 tests - avg 77 , 2300 runs

If he goes like this for another 25 tests, he will go down as an ATG in the test format.
 
Indiafan said:
He has won much more T20 games for his country than Gayle ever has. Gayle has lost matches which were easily winnable by throwing his wicket away. You can keep talking about wrong approaches, but Kohli's approach wins him more games than Gayle's. According to your logic slogging every ball is the only approach. Clearly Gayle achieving no where near his potential proves you wrong
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Batting aggressively CANNOT lose your side a match in T20 as a batsman. Even if someone gets out for 0 (1) he did not lose the match for his side. At most he didn't win the game. These aren't the same thing.

Now what Kohli does CAN and HAS lost games for his team. When you bat too slowly and score a lot of runs that's MUCH worse than batting too slowly and not scoring any. 40 (35) is immeasurably worse than 0 (1) in a T20 game on a good surface. See what Ajinkya Rahane did in the WT20 semis versus what Chris did.

And for those who haven't seen the game, Chris did nothing at all, but that didn't stop Simmons or Russell from winning the game. Rahane scored a decent number of runs but he DID stop Pandya, Kohli and Dhoni from facing more balls and scoring many more runs than he would have.

Kohli suffered from this syndrome for both of the last two IPLs scoring relatively too slow.

And for those lacking comprehension; I AM NOT SAYING KOHLI IS BAD AT T20. I am saying he can't be GOAT with this approach, because scoring fast and relatively less consistently will win you more games than Kohli style batting will.

1 Kohli is NOT better than 2 Afridis in T20. And because you have 11 batters for 20 overs it's a DIRECT trade-off. 1 Kohli will face the balls that 2 Afridis would.
 
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babajee said:
What do you think Kohli needs to do to be considered as the GOAT?
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Dominate a World Cup or play an iconic World Cup knockout innings. In addition, maintain his current Test form for another 4-5 years.

As things stand, he is has a 70-80% chance of reaching that level by the time he retires. He will play two more World Cups so he should have a dominant tournament or an iconic knockout innings, and he is entering his peak years as a Test batsman so it is difficult to envision him fading away.
 
CricFan2012 said:
I doubt anyone will ever dethrone Viv, he did revolutionary stuff, so unless a new batsman comes along and wins his country a couple world cups, somehow revolutionizes cricket through a new shot or a strategy while maintains a 60+ average in this bating era with a 100+ strike rate, only then King viv will be dethroned.
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I don't think a modern ODI player needs to average 60+ at a 100+ SR to be comparable to Viv, because just because Viv averaged 50 at a SR 90 in the 70's and 80's does not mean that he would averaged 10 points higher today at a superior SR.

He played in an ATG team and didn't have to chase big totals, the amount of cricket that was played at that time was less too - he played less than 200 ODIs in 15 odd years. Modern cricket is pushing cricketers to their limits as far as fitness and consistency is concerned. There is simply too much cricket these days and an additional format.

For reference, Kohli has already played more ODIs even though he has been a regular for 8 years only, and his bowlers have let him down many times and backed him in a corner where he had to produce something extraordinary to get his team over the line.

Playing more matches is both good and bad - you have more opportunities to score, but also more opportunities to fail. Hence, over a large sample, they tend to even out.

Take Kohli out of the Indian team of this decade and replace him with Viv Richards under the same conditions, same match situations, same circumstances and same number of games. How much better would Viv Richards have been? He might have done better in the 2015 World Cup, which is why I think Kohli is one great World Cup or one great World Cup knockout innings away from surpassing him.

Both Viv and Kohli are revolutionaries in ODI cricket - Viv showed the world that is possible to be a prolific scorer with a high SR. On the other hand, Kohli has raised the bar as far as chasing is concerned. In addition, he also the first top-order batsman who is also a great finisher. He is like Ponting and Bevan rolled into one.
 
CricketAnalyst said:
He's not the ultimate T20 batsman. Averaging 50 at a SR of 135 simply does not put him above guys like Gayle because the nature of the game is that beyond a point average is superfluous and SR is king. He puts too much value on his wicket to be GOAT at T20. He's still very good but that's inspite of a wrong approach.
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He is freakishly consistent. His teams have had no silverware to show for his T20 exploits, but that is down to his teammates more than anything.

I would have a T20 batsman like Kohli who scores a 70 (40) every other innings in my team over someone like Gayle who would fail 5/10 times, even though his other 5 innings would be extraordinary.

India have had two many accumulators in their T20 lineup, and RCB is a dud team without their big players.
 
Are we gonna see a 300 from Kohli? i.e SMOG is overlooked and doesnt spoil it for him.
 
CricketAnalyst said:
He's not the ultimate T20 batsman. Averaging 50 at a SR of 135 simply does not put him above guys like Gayle because the nature of the game is that beyond a point average is superfluous and SR is king. He puts too much value on his wicket to be GOAT at T20. He's still very good but that's inspite of a wrong approach.
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Completely agree .In Recently concluded t-20 NZ series , at one point kohli and dhoni both were playing while chasing a target of above 200 plus .Although kohli was playing at sr of 135+,but required run rate was approaching 12,13,so he was appearing helpless to maintain that req run rate and in the process , he got out .This is not intended to belittle kohli who is an excellent batsman in t-20.But in t-20 , strike rate takes the centre stage as compared to average , that's why Gayle is the most rated batsman in this format.
 
Mamoon said:
He is freakishly consistent. His teams have had no silverware to show for his T20 exploits, but that is down to his teammates more than anything.

I would have a T20 batsman like Kohli who scores a 70 (40) every other innings in my team over someone like Gayle who would fail 5/10 times, even though his other 5 innings would be extraordinary.

India have had two many accumulators in their T20 lineup, and RCB is a dud team without their big players.
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It's not 70 (40) vs 80 (40) half the time.

It's 50 (33) every game vs 70 (30) some times and 0 (1) the other times.

And 70/2 in 5 overs is better than 50/1 in 5.3 (by a very long margin).
 
Mamoon said:
He is freakishly consistent. His teams have had no silverware to show for his T20 exploits, but that is down to his teammates more than anything.

I would have a T20 batsman like Kohli who scores a 70 (40) every other innings in my team over someone like Gayle who would fail 5/10 times, even though his other 5 innings would be extraordinary.

India have had two many accumulators in their T20 lineup, and RCB is a dud team without their big players.
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Consistency isn't required in T20, or not to the degree impact is.

Two huge hitters who are less consistent and together play the same number of balls as him on average will be better.
 
Aman said:
How many of those doubles have come away from home?
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Doesn't matter! Many greats of past played alot of cricket at home without scoring so many double hundreds. The guy is at another level currently.
 
Easily the best batsman in the world.

Such a well-rounded player in all three formats.

T20s: Best Batsman (GOAT tbh)
ODIs: Best Batsman
Tests: 2nd Best Batsman

Ridiculously good.
 
6 doubles in 18 months? That is Bradman level batting (though I personally only rank 2 of those doubles as special). He will probably retire with the most ODI hundreds, most career hundreds and most double hundreds. Having figured out how to score safely, consistently and now hugely, he now seems like a combination of the best traits of most past greats.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Most scores of 200 or more as Test captain:<br>Virat Kohli 6<br>Brian Lara 5<br>Michael Clarke 4<br>Graeme Smith 4<br>Don Bradman 4<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/937293119955046400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 3, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Means little,lets see how he does over the overseas tours and wc in next 2 yrs.Will define him.He's a modern great ,but will he be more than that - we will see.
 
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