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Surprised he has escaped scrutiny so far.

5 50s but all of them soft like Root / Babar. Well actually Babar has scored a matchwinning 100.

And all his dismissals have been soft; including walking when he hadn't nicked.
 
Rohit has been carrying India.

He is India's most important batsmen atm.
 
Those fifties were crucial for our wins against Australia, WI, and Afghanistan. You can't criticize a batsman who has gotten 5 consecutive 60+ scores.
 
Sin Nombre said:
Surprised he has escaped scrutiny so far.

5 50s but all of them soft like Root / Babar. Well actually Babar has scored a matchwinning 100.

And all his dismissals have been soft; including walking when he hadn't nicked.
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80 against Pak is soft? How about the Aus game? What about the afg game where he was playing on a different pitch? Stop your conspiracies. Dude has been playing like a dream. Ind lost just one game so far and it's not because of Kohli or even Dhoni. They lost because of Chahal, Kuldeep and Shami in the last 5 overs. Only one team chased 300 in this WC and that's BD against WI. This is a win toss, bat first WC. 338 is impossible with Plunkett bowling smartly and plucking wickets at key junctures
 
He's always been a hardworker at the crease. There's two types of batters in cricket- natual hitters/timers and Grinders. Kohli is somewhere in the middle. In his early years, I remember him struggling to find boundaries. He only times like 30% of his runs. He's no Sehwag, Sachin or Yuvi. Same with MS, he's just a grinder and has to use a lot of power to clear the boundaries and now he's past it. Kohli obviously more naturally talented than MS, so he will have a better final few years.
 
Kohli is such a class player that 50 is like a duck for us fans :yk he raised the bar too high
 
He's good . Will score an important century in knock outs and redeem himself.

These 50's are quite crucial on non flat wickets , only consistent scorer for us.
 
5 matches, very different pitches and Kohli hasn't seemed out of sorts in any. He is averaging over 60 in the WC at a 90+ strike rate. He has not failed. The rest of the middle order apart from Hardik has. This thread is a joke really. Which other captain ever has hit 5 WC fifties in a row from ANY TEAM?
 
125 from him yesterday would have seen us home. It's ok, I hope he scores s century in knock outs. 100 is just told the corner :)
 
Kohli came into this tournament as one of all the time greatest ODI batsmen (everyone has him in their top 5 all-time), with a reputation of being a master chaser, with the greatest 50 to 100 conversion rate in ODI history, and this is him in his prime.

Root is a very good ODI player but he would and has been criticized for similar knocks.

One should expect more from Kohli and the question is why hasn't he delivered yet?

Of course, as aamchi pointed out, if he scores a matchwinning 100 in the knockouts, his reputation will be secure.
 
Pre mature thread. India still have 2 more league matches to go, that too against SL and Bangladesh. There are high changes Kohli scoring a century against one of them.
 
Hope he scores a century in the knockouts as India sure as hell would need it.
 
Has to win India this WC and then there will be no more argument of Virat v Sachin in ODIs.
 
To be fair he didn't get that many overs to score 100 except this match and couple of other matches. India has such a woeful middle order that he has to play a measured innings every time. But y day dismissal was way too soft. A wide ball.

But that was not a SOFT 50. You are confusing with SOFT 50 and match winning 50. As long as Kohli was there game was India's to lose. You ca n't say that about Babar Azam. Even Babar bats it was not exactly Pakistan's game is to lose. Babar could not accelerate. Kohli can accelerate.
 
not soft fifties by any stretch ... all knocks of his baring 1 were important for the team.My only concern is that he has till been not able to score those big 100+ in chasing which has been 'trademark Kohli'.For instance yesterday's match. If he had played till say 36 overs, I am sure IND would have been 215 instead of the 198 by then.This , because a well set Kohli has that extra gear of scoring those 15-20 runs in an over easily at crucial moments.Then who knows IND would even have won the match.
 
Sin Nombre said:
What conspiracy?

This thread is a discussion of his form.
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And discuss what exactly? 4 of the 5 50s resulted in wins and the 5th one gave India some chance of a win. So where's the softness, not able to understand.
 
Virat can't ever be accused of scoring soft runs, at least not in this WC thus far. Yeah he hasn't kicked on to get bigger scores as we all and more importantly, he would've liked. But he is trying really hard, he is as disappointed as we all are.

On the other hand, grandpa is.....
 
MP2011 said:
Virat can't ever be accused of scoring soft runs, at least not in this WC thus far. Yeah he hasn't kicked on to get bigger scores as we all and more importantly, he would've liked. But he is trying really hard, he is as disappointed as we all are.

On the other hand, grandpa is.....
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Grandpas 40 is definitely soft 40 lol His ******* throw his strike rate at our face. Anyone who saw the match know that was one of the super soft 40. His big hits after ensuring India had zero chance of winning.
 
In this World Cup he’s reduced himself to the level of Luton Das, Mohammad Hafeez.

Bobby is way ahead oh hiknin teens of impact.

He clearly is no Tendulkar
 
freelance_cricketer said:
In this World Cup he’s reduced himself to the level of Luton Das, Mohammad Hafeez.

Bobby is way ahead oh hiknin teens of impact.

He clearly is no Tendulkar
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When did Tendulkar help chase 300 successfully in world cups? or in any match. In the 330 chase against Pakistan at Dhaka. Tendulkar made 52. Kohli made 183.

In the Lords Natwest trophy Tendulkar made 14. It was Kaif and Yuvi did the job.

In the HObart ODI chase Tendulkar made 39, Kohli made 133 not out in 86 balls

I don't think he ever scored a 100 while chasing 300 plus. Correct me if i am wrong. When it comes to chasing 300 plus, Tendulkar is not even on the same planet as Kohli. In India three successful 350 plus chases Kohli centuries in each one of them.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
When did Tendulkar help chase 300 successfully in world cups? or in any match. In the 330 chase against Pakistan at Dhaka. Tendulkar made 52. Kohli made 183.

In the Lords Natwest trophy Tendulkar made 14. It was Kaif and Yuvi did the job.

In the HObart ODI chase Tendulkar made 39, Kohli made 133 not out in 86 balls

I don't think he ever scored a 100 while chasing 300 plus. Correct me if i am wrong. When it comes to chasing 300 plus, Tendulkar is not even on the same planet as Kohli. In India three successful 350 plus chases Kohli centuries in each one of them.
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Legendary 175 while chasing 350 against Aussies. One of the many! But the best one

Thanks. If the world didn’t have ignorant smart people wouldn’t be proud. :srt
 
I know I will get flak but yesterday's match was lost because of our slow and steady approach during powerplay. When 340 runs are required you need to score at least 6rpo during powerplay. Thats bare minimum.

Don't know what Kohli and Rohit were trying to do.
50-100 at strike rate of 80-90 is just criminal while chasing when the ball is new, pitch is flat, blowers are nothing special, 10 overs of powerplay.

That kind of approach is good when chasing 300 but will never work while chasing 340, especially when you have duds like Dhoni and Jhadav and Hacks like Pant and Rahul in your team.
 
:))

Kohli is the only one who gets criticized in such ridiculous ways.
 
Kaptan said:
I know I will get flak but yesterday's match was lost because of our slow and steady approach during powerplay. When 340 runs are required you need to score at least 6rpo during powerplay. Thats bare minimum.

Don't know what Kohli and Rohit were trying to do.
50-100 at strike rate of 80-90 is just criminal while chasing when the ball is new, pitch is flat, blowers are nothing special, 10 overs of powerplay.

That kind of approach is good when chasing 300 but will never work while chasing 340, especially when you have duds like Dhoni and Jhadav and Hacks like Pant and Rahul in your team.
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I have no issues with that start given our woeful middle order. They just saw off Archer. Imagine Dhoni batting for 40 overs. We would have finished with 220/5
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Grandpas 40 is definitely soft 40 lol His ******* throw his strike rate at our face. Anyone who saw the match know that was one of the super soft 40. His big hits after ensuring India had zero chance of winning.
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I was so ****** at him missing that edge off Roy's gloves. Basically killed all hopes of keeping England under 300. Like every other thing associated him, this Dhoni Review System was another hoax then!
 
Kaptan said:
I know I will get flak but yesterday's match was lost because of our slow and steady approach during powerplay. When 340 runs are required you need to score at least 6rpo during powerplay. Thats bare minimum.

Don't know what Kohli and Rohit were trying to do.
50-100 at strike rate of 80-90 is just criminal while chasing when the ball is new, pitch is flat, blowers are nothing special, 10 overs of powerplay.

That kind of approach is good when chasing 300 but will never work while chasing 340, especially when you have duds like Dhoni and Jhadav and Hacks like Pant and Rahul in your team.
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lol, as if they had champs waiting in pavilion to succeed them! However, Kohli and only Kohli is to be blamed for this situation! He never groomed proper batsmen for India's ODI setup.
 
kingusama92 said:
:))

Kohli is the only one who gets criticized in such ridiculous ways.
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Exactly right? He was in command right through the chase. No one in right mind would think India would not be able to chase while Kohli is at the crease. Sure the dismissal was SOFT dismissal. But innings was not a Soft innings. Unlike Tendulkar who had great batsmen coming down the order, Kohli had a noob Pant, Pandya, Dhoni, Jadhav. There was no Yuvraj singh, or old Dhoni or old Raina or Dravid coming down.
 
MP2011 said:
lol, as if they had champs waiting in pavilion to succeed them! However, Kohli and only Kohli is to be blamed for this situation! He never groomed proper batsmen for India's ODI setup.
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Yes if you have to blame Kohli for something this is what you should blame him for. He carried one of the weakest middle order. First publicly announcing Rayudu will be our no.4 well before world cup while youngsters were ready to play.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Did we win? We are talking about successful chases.
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Lol he hit 175 of 140 something balls.

you are right but he should score whole 350 runs himself that’s what Sachin’s job was after all.

There is bias against a player and there is shamelessness in disrespecting a legend of the game. People like you certainly didn’t deserve a once in a century talent like Sachin representing you.
 
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freelance_cricketer said:
Lol he hit 175 of 140 something balls.

you are right but he should score whole 350 runs himself that’s what Sachin’s job was after all.
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He has played 400 innings you are picking one lol Even in India's first ever successful 300 chase it was Ganguly and Robin Singh that stole the show. Not Sachin. Sachin was never known as a good chaser. We saw in world cup final where he got out very early in the piece. Kohli is not even an opener. As a middle order batsman he has helped INdia chase big totals and earned the tag Chase master, GOAT. Even today he was well on course. Tendulkar is a first innings guy when there is no pressure. Until Dhoni/Yuvraj combine India never knew how to chase big totals. Then Kohli took INdia to a new level. You seriously need some cricket history lesson lol
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Yes if you have to blame Kohli for something this is what you should blame him for. He carried one of the weakest middle order. First publicly announcing Rayudu will be our no.4 well before world cup while youngsters were ready to play.
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True! I mean what the hell was Kohli thinking when he earmarked so many noobs for our WC playing XI? That he and Rohit (and Dhawan) will carry the batting lineup on their shoulders, with others to chip in whatever contributions they could make?
 
MP2011 said:
lol, as if they had champs waiting in pavilion to succeed them! However, Kohli and only Kohli is to be blamed for this situation! He never groomed proper batsmen for India's ODI setup.
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Bhai leave pavilion. There is no one in the entire cricketing setup who are even 70% of them.
I am afraid what will happen when Kohli, Dhawan, Rohit retire. We are doomed if Shaw and Gill turn out to be duds like Rahul.
 
Kaptan said:
Bhai leave pavilion. There is no one in the entire cricketing setup who are even 70% of them.
I am afraid what will happen when Kohli, Dhawan, Rohit retire. We are doomed if Shaw and Gill turn out to be duds like Rahul.
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Why do you think they will become Rahul not like Sehwag/Kohli. It is very rare batsmen becoming like Rahul in our system. Someone always takes the mantle. Besides Kohli is not going to retire tomorrow. He has about good 6 years left
 
Kaptan said:
Bhai leave pavilion. There is no one in the entire cricketing setup who are even 70% of them.
I am afraid what will happen when Kohli, Dhawan, Rohit retire. We are doomed if Shaw and Gill turn out to be duds like Rahul.
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Kohli & Rohit will definitely play next WC unless something drastic happens. Dhawan, I'm not sure. As for others, well we've to give them chances if we want to know about their mettle. If we keep on playing duds, how would we know what stuff guys like Shaw & Gill are made up of?
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Did we win? We are talking about successful chases.
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the important point here is 'not succesful chases' because to expect a single batsman to do it all thru the inns is a bit too much stretching it.The important thing is 'while he is at the crease a batsman has to ensure that his scoring level would always keep the team's chances alive' .What this does is that even if the batsman gets out at any stage, the incoming batsman should be able to carry on from where the out going batsman had left This is where SRT was sooo good at. Unfortunately what Kohli did yesterday was far from adequate in this regard
 
satheesh said:
the important point here is 'not succesful chases' because to expect a single batsman to do it all thru the inns is a bit too much stretching it.The important thing is 'while he is at the crease a batsman has to ensure that his scoring level would always keep the team's chances alive' .What this does is that even if the batsman gets out at any stage, the incoming batsman should be able to carry on from where the out going batsman had left This is where SRT was sooo good at. Unfortunately what Kohli did yesterday was far from adequate in this regard
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What did Tendulkar do in 2003/2011 world cup final? Epic failures.
 
Kohli played very well in the WC, yesterday he was looking set for a big ton and was timing beautifully but unfortunately got out.

He played vital part in all the innings so far and played a big part India win matches.

You need to define what you mean by soft fifties?

His dismissals in couple of games are by soft dismissals, but not soft fifties. I think you are getting confused between the two.

Anyone, who has seen cricket and unbiased will easily see the full control he was in yesterday until he got out which could be termed as soft dismissal but how can you say it is a soft fifty? When he was at the score along with Rohit we were having good chance to beat England, so those runs scored when he was in the middle cannot be termed soft at all.

Not sure what you are on about man.
 
And, again we go back to the past and compare players to the past instead of discussing the current games and players.

Kohli has cemented his place as a legendary ODI batsman, winning a WC needs several factors to be in place and you need plenty of luck too, and hopefully he can win the Cup and shut up some detractors, as still there will be some who will come up with new excuses.

Kohli is the best all-round batsman of his generation, and I hope he will help India lift the cup this time and scores match defining innings in the Semis and Finals. He has the mental strength and technical ability to do that.
 
What a rubbish thread. The man is no 1 in the world, him and rohit, and also bumrah are keeping india in this WC, if not they would be below afghanistan maybe.
 
Yes, his conversion rate is an issue. Yesterday he looked set for a big one and got out uncharacteristically.

BUT, how many batsmen in ODI history have scored five consecutive fifties...? And that too in a WC? He is going through an unbelievable run of form... and contrary to what others feel... I think he is due a failure...
 
If you are seen as a GOAT, you should be doing a bit more.

Or else, you have to satisfy yourself with the top 5.
 
Kohli (the batsman) is in dilemma because there are so many passengers (batsmen) in this team! How can he stay focused? (He is also the Captain! I am sure even Rohit's batting will be affected if he captains this team!) Nobody can question Kohli's conversion rate of 50s to 100... (Just look at his stats!) Rectify the loopholes in this team you will see the magic again!
 
RamLakhan said:
Kohli (the batsman) is in dilemma because there are so many passengers (batsmen) in this team! How can he stay focused? (He is also the Captain! I am sure even Rohit's batting will be affected if he captains this team!) Nobody can question Kohli's conversion rate of 50s to 100... (Just look at his stats!) Rectify the loopholes in this team you will see the magic again!
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I think I agree with this... I feel even he is losing faith in the Indian middle order..

He is partly to blame for this too though. He persisted with the likes of Rayudu, Jadhav, Shankar for too long... and it didn't come off..

Dhoni is Dhoni, no one can touch him like no one could touch Tendulkar.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
What did Tendulkar do in 2003/2011 world cup final? Epic failures.
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those were 'ultimate pressure cooker situations ' for an already burdened batsman with 'huge expectations thru out his career' . To explode right from the start against such a potent bowling attack
chasing 359 in the 'final' amidst out of the world pressure was too much and Sachin failed. In the 2nd final he could have done better, though 18(14b) means while he was at the crease he didn't allow the run rate to dip that too chasing only 273 when compared to 334.Other than these 2, SRT has played his fair share of 'chasing knocks' including in world cups coping with far greater amount of pressure.
 
PP wanted him to have impact in WCs, all his scores apart from yesterday have resulted in India winning the game. He has a chance to score big in the semi or potentially a final.

He has had a good tournament.
 
In the back of his mind is the concern that this Indian batting line-up isn't the strongest.

No Dhawan, Dhoni over the hill, Pant inexperienced, Jadhav still doubts over him. It's almost like it's Virat and Rohit or bust.
 
He has looked good. It’s not like he just got a 20 or 30 and then got out. These were significant scores. But I do agree that it is weird to see Kohli not convert one of these into a hundred.
 
I haven't read any posts besides the OP but: what the hell is a soft fifty? He's scoring cruicial runs for his team. Whenever Kohli is scoring it means that India aren't collapsing. As long as he's there India is typically in the driving seat because he rarely ever lets their run rate dip behind what's required. He's a gun batsman and he's having an incredible tournament!
 
Remove kohli from this side and this team will do like south africa is doing without abd. Other players in the side are minnow basher or soft runs scorer including dhoni.
 
What exactly is soft about his runs? Apart from the England game, he batted OK and to the required circumstances.

He hasn't played this tournament as well as root, Williamson, babar, Sharma, shakib, finch or stokes but he has been just outside of that club. None of that is bad. Obviously not the world breaking tournament many expected but still not soft.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
In this World Cup he’s reduced himself to the level of Luton Das, Mohammad Hafeez.

Bobby is way ahead oh hiknin teens of impact.

He clearly is no Tendulkar
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Comparing Kohli to Das babu and Professor is a joke and displays your blind hatred towards Kohli and nothing else.
 
Kohli has done well but he probably underachieved. He generally scores hundreds consistently and that was missing.
 
Kohli hasn't even scored a single century in this WC so far. By fab 4 standards, he's underachieved.
Babar azam the guy who's playing in his first WC is only 10 runs behind kohli, the guy who's playing in his 3rd WC.

If you look at kohli as an average player then he's over achieved. If you see him as a GOAT who's peaking right now, then he's underachieved.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Legendary 175 while chasing 350 against Aussies. One of the many! But the best one

Thanks. If the world didn’t have ignorant smart people wouldn’t be proud. :srt
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One of the best knocks I’ve ever seen and against quality bowlers the bowlers kohli scored 183 against was aizaz Cheema and out of sorts Umar Gul on one of the flattest roads world cricket has ever. Seen
 
Best batsman in the world is not among the top 5 scorers of this world cup so far. This is quite alarming for India.

If Kohli wants to surpass Viv Richards as the greatest ODI bat of all time, he has to perform better in the knockout games.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Best batsman in the world is not among the top 5 scorers of this world cup so far. This is quite alarming for India.

If Kohli wants to surpass Viv Richards as the greatest ODI bat of all time, he has to perform better in the knockout games.
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That was the point made by the OP.
But the OP was ridiculed.

A GOAT is expected to perform better than what kohli has performed currently.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
That was the point made by the OP.
But the OP was ridiculed.

A GOAT is expected to perform better than what kohli has performed currently.
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Failure to hit at least one hundred in the knockout games will seriously hurt Kohli's legacy. He is yet to have a career defining world cup.
 
Sam99 said:
Remove kohli from this side and this team will do like south africa is doing without abd. Other players in the side are minnow basher or soft runs scorer including dhoni.
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Indian team is not all about Kohli. Rohit led Kohli less team and won the Asia cup in 2018.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Failure to hit at least one hundred in the knockout games will seriously hurt Kohli's legacy. He is yet to have a career defining world cup.
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Exactly.
People here get defensive for no reason. If he was an average Joe, his WC stats would have been seen as outstanding but he's not. He's an ATG and I would expect an ATG to perform a lot better than what kohli has currently done.
 
Kohli avg:s 58.29 with 408 runs in this world cup as of now which is brilliant in its own right. Baring minnow Afghan it comes to 341 & 56.83 which is still superb.His str: too has been at its normal best. And he has scored 1 100+ in the previous world cups too. A 35 in that 2011 final means all in all till now he has been very good in world cups. But a few more 100s are required of him to have done justice to his reputation. It is very strange that a well set Kohli after making those well set 65s getting out sooner and not going on to convert into 100s on 4 occasions(Afghan excluded). Hope he would correct that in his coming world cup matches
 
The_Odd_One said:
Best batsman in the world is not among the top 5 scorers of this world cup so far. This is quite alarming for India.

If Kohli wants to surpass Viv Richards as the greatest ODI bat of all time, he has to perform better in the knockout games.
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First let him surpass Tendulkar.
 
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