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Virat Kohli's Test form - A cause for concern?

Since I made this thread before 2nd test vs NZ.

Kohli has scored 791* runs at over an average of 98+

Boy if someone can come back to form, it is KING KOHLI!! :bow:
 
Kohli averages an insane 107 in test cricket batting 2nd and 4th when the opposition puts >= 400 batting first.
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
Kohli averages an insane 107 in test cricket batting 2nd and 4th when the opposition puts >= 400 batting first.
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Lol that's a lot of qualifiers. Reminds me of Star Sports keys to victory during 2015 WC

Anyways Kohli seems to be in beast form whereas earlier he wasn't regularly putting up the big scores at home which all top batsmen have to
 
Hawkeye said:
Best Test knock by him so far, in a bit of a bowling/turner pitch.
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ATG knock really. The way he has controlled the game (esp after his 100) is amazing.

His greatest was Adelaide 4th innings knock though.

He scored at 85 SR when the ball turned much more (bounce was there too). If others had supported him a bit, it would had a claim to be the greatest ever. It was an unbelievable knock that ended in anti climax.
 
Amazing batsman! For me the best across all formts! Moreover doing this as a captain is just excellent!
 
Bilal7 said:
Did well in one of the matches against South Africa, which was the same match in which the Saffers almost chased down 458 in the fourth innings. Suffice to say that the conditions were not very challenging.

Did well in New Zealand and looked like a lone warrior in that series. Credit where it's due but one good series does not fit the definion of "much".

He is a good test batsman, don't get me wrong but a level below someone like Kane Williamson. I'd group him with Azhar and Shafiq.
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You do realize, that you don't have any clue, and make blind assumptions about how you categorize players.

So in your mind, Kohli is as good as Azhar and Shafiq?

Really?

You better be ready for lots of eggs now from now on.
 
[MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]

Add to that your dismissive attitude of 4 centuries in 4 tests in Australia, mind you , which our ATG batsmen haven't achieved yet, is considered as a flat track.

If Younis manages to score 4 daddy hundreds in the current series, the tracks will be treacherous and minefields for sure because we have to support our potential ATG's?

I have never seen such a biased person in my life.
 
Lol there was never a doubt in my mind that he would be an elite test batsmen. Indian posters worry too much.
 
Hasan123 said:
Lol there was never a doubt in my mind that he would be an elite test batsmen. Indian posters worry too much.
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The worry was genuine imo he is the one who was leadin our team and trying to pick on all balls he has improved on that and credit to him.
 
JaDed said:
The worry was genuine imo he is the one who was leadin our team and trying to pick on all balls he has improved on that and credit to him.
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Understand why but he was always going to get the hang of test cricket, he was always going to go through a rough patch and than once he was past it there will be no stopping him.
 
All those utterly, blatant, biased posters here should learn to be graceful in admitting that this guy is an absolute legend already. This knock should shut 'em up, hopefully.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
[MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]

Add to that your dismissive attitude of 4 centuries in 4 tests in Australia, mind you , which our ATG batsmen haven't achieved yet, is considered as a flat track.

If Younis manages to score 4 daddy hundreds in the current series, the tracks will be treacherous and minefields for sure because we have to support our potential ATG's?

I have never seen such a biased person in my life.
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I don't think it should matter anymore.

Kohli has reached a point where even experts believe he's one of the best in worlds. One random guy slotting him with Shafiq, Ali or for that matter let them go ahead and call him a tail ender. Wont change the fact that he's the one of the best.
 
Hasan123 said:
Understand why but he was always going to get the hang of test cricket, he was always going to go through a rough patch and than once he was past it there will be no stopping him.
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Well Kohli's reputation has changed in the last couple of years, otherwise he was known to be brash. So his transformation physically and mentally is one of the best example for any upcoming cricketer.

So he's definitely surprised everyone by not only upping his game a notch but also showing class and maturity as captain.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
You do realize, that you don't have any clue, and make blind assumptions about how you categorize players.

So in your mind, Kohli is as good as Azhar and Shafiq?

Really?

You better be ready for lots of eggs now from now on.
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He's improved since I made this post and has moved past Shafiq and Azhar to join the group of Kane, Root and Smith. Chill your fingers.

I call it like I see it and have no qualms in admitting that Kohli is a much improved player now. He still hasn't proven himself in pace-friendly conditions and I have said as much in the other thread.

Younis can score a century in all of his six innings in Australia but if the pitches are as flat as they were when India toured there, I won't place much value on them. Unlike you, I am consistent with my views.

Eggs? A poster as awful as you is nothing to me and the only time I read your posts is when I have to because you have developed some sort of obsession with me. Flattering but disturbing.
 
Bilal7 said:
He's improved since I made this post and has moved past Shafiq and Azhar to join the group of Kane, Root and Smith. Chill your fingers.

I call it like I see it and have no qualms in admitting that Kohli is a much improved player now. He still hasn't proven himself in pace-friendly conditions and I have said as much in the other thread.

Younis can score a century in all of his six innings in Australia but if the pitches are as flat as they were when India toured there, I won't place much value on them. Unlike you, I am consistent with my views.

Eggs? A poster as awful as you is nothing to me and the only time I read your posts is when I have to because you have developed some sort of obsession with me. Flattering but disturbing.
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He was never in the league of Azhar and Shafiq.

That was your problem.

Obsession?

On the contrary, I find your posts amusing.

It seems you are flattered on my amusement.

Let's just keep the civilities to a bare minimum and focus on your cricketing nuances and my cricketing expertise instead of worrying about who is stalking who.

Anytime you make a laughable post, you will be called up.

Cheers and Good night!
 
Yes, Kohli's form is a matter of big concern -------------------------for the apposition.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
[MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]

Add to that your dismissive attitude of 4 centuries in 4 tests in Australia, mind you , which our ATG batsmen haven't achieved yet, is considered as a flat track.

If Younis manages to score 4 daddy hundreds in the current series, the tracks will be treacherous and minefields for sure because we have to support our potential ATG's?

I have never seen such a biased person in my life.
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It is clear as daylight that Kohli is comfortably a better batsman than Younis. He has already left him in his dust in Limited Overs and as far as Tests are concerned, it is only a matter of time.

Younis is ahead in terms of runs, average, hundreds etc. purely because he has played for 16 years, not because he is better. Kohli is in the league of Tendulkar, Lara and Ponting; Younis is well below that category.
 
The only question mark is his terrible series in England. But he is known to rectify his records. If he can perform on a green top in South Africa where he had never faced Steyn and Philander before, he can do very well in England too.

Lesser players than him have been called legends by internet marks over here. He is a bonafide Indian great now and in future, should get that ATG status too. Exceptional player.
 
11 ball duck for him today.

Trouble against the moving ball...
 
Issues against moving ball. He is no Tendulkar or Dravid with the bat in tests.
 
As far as I know, only Gundappa Viswanath, Gavaskar, and Dravid (I heard CK Naidu was good too, never saw his game anywhere) could master the swinging ball and then comes Tendulkar - as far as the moving ball is concerned. Kohli has to quickly acquire patience like Pujara who seems to have improved his game quality (that could be because he plays only 1 format). Being the Captain of the Team his scores affect the team mentally more than statistically. Historically, all teams target the rival Captains for the same reason - hitting on the morale of the team.
 
Scored his 18th century today in a tricky situation @ Eden gardens.

103 innings -- 4762 runs -- 50.12 avg -- [14 centuries + 4 double centuries] -- 14 half centuries -- 235 highest score.

His test form has been great in the past 3 years or so.
 
Kohli got unnecessary criticism for the first innings failure. It wasn't the kind of pitch where many would have lasted long.

Not saying that he couldn't have played better, but you can't judge a batsman by his failure when the ball is swinging miles. Even the best do not survive those conditions consistently.
 
Sidilicious said:
Kohli got unnecessary criticism for the first innings failure. It wasn't the kind of pitch where many would have lasted long.

Not saying that he couldn't have played better, but you can't judge a batsman by his failure when the ball is swinging miles. Even the best do not survive those conditions consistently.
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He was undone by a straighter one, just missed it. Bhuvi would have skittled SL for < 50 had we won the toss.
 
Extraordinary cricketer. He is easily one of the influential cricketers of all time, and he is only 28. He is going to be remembered for generations to come.
 
The only batsman with a 50+ average in all all 3 formats...and will most probably be the only batsman to achieve this great and unique feat..
 
Most tons as Captain in a calendar year (10) , most tons as India's caption (12).
 
Haq great Numbers but a FTB like no other.
Score soft runs for fun.

The only time the pitch had something In it he failed.
 
South Africa will tell us a lot, his existing good record there notwithstanding.

Runs against Lanka, as par for the course, are meaningless.
 
Mobashir said:
Haq great Numbers but a FTB like no other.
Score soft runs for fun.

The only time the pitch had something In it he failed.
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Have you even seen recent test matches played in India let alone his overseas performances??
 
There is the Rahul v Babar thread bumped just coz Rahul failed in the innings after 9 fifties in 12 innings in Tests. Funny these guys are.
 
KL Rahul is a top 10 ice ranked player. His exclusion in odis is for a bizzarre reason. Kohli thinks he can either open the innings or not at all play.
 
I still believe Kohli's best in test is yet to come, he is still sorting out his test game.
 
For Kohli to continue good scoring with free mindset, bowlers have to perform and put pressure on the opponents, not just in India and especially overseas. That was the key for Ponting, Hayden and Gilchrist. And for Smith too, he has very good bowlers and if Indian bowlers ,although not in the same skill bracket as them, could perform atleast 70-75% of their ability they could give serious threat to strong sides like SA, Aus and Eng on their home turfs.
 
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He will continue to score such "soft" runs even against South Africa in South Africa and then people here will open a thread declaring that runs against South Africa don't count.
 
He has already entered into a different zone. He will retire as a legend. Just look at the kind of shots he plays. Just breathtaking. He is not a perfect batsman. He has flaws just like every other batsman ever played. But he is one of the most watchable cricketer in full flight.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Well Kohli thinks Rohit can be a good test batsman too.
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A lot of the experts do too.

Why Rohit fails in tests is beyond me. He was lucky to get such a long rope in ODI's. He will need to make these few chances count because I don't think just being Kohli's favourite is going to cut it.
 
5 Double hundreds for Virat Kohli in 31 Tests as captain - the joint-most by any captain equaling Brian Lara's record in 47 matches at the helm. When Kohli took up captaincy, there were only four double hundreds by Indian captains in Tests - one each by MAK Pataudi, Sunil Gavaskar, Sachin Tendulkar and MS Dhoni.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The greatest batsman of his generation. He is on a different level to any current batsmen - <a href="https://twitter.com/imVkohli?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@imVkohli</a>!</p>— KP (@KP24) <a href="https://twitter.com/KP24/status/936898773896138752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 2, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Across formats it's not close.

Kohli might well match Smith in Tests, Smith will never match touch Kohli in ODIs and T20s.
 
MenInG said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The greatest batsman of his generation. He is on a different level to any current batsmen - <a href="https://twitter.com/imVkohli?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@imVkohli</a>!</p>— KP (@KP24) <a href="https://twitter.com/KP24/status/936898773896138752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 2, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Thanks and regards, KP.
 
156* @ end of day 1

Can he get a 200/ 250 provided tail assists? Pitch is turning and he needs to be careful against the wrist spinner.
 
Aman said:
Across formats it's not close.

Kohli might well match Smith in Tests, Smith will never match touch Kohli in ODIs and T20s.
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The only thing dumber than Indian fans putting Kohli ahead of smith in tests, are Aussie fans claiming Smith as the best overall bat, even with his okayish ODI and mediocre T20 numbers.

Kohli is pulling ahead of KW & Root at the moment. Do you think KW is being held back too much by his weaker teammates ?
 
His team selection is what worrying. Leaving Lokesh Rahul in the cold time and again is beyond perplexing.
 
kohli in good form cannot carry weak players for long in overseas conditions - still not convinced abt rohith in the team. and two bad to horrible tests overseas could see the end of rahane.
 
He is already pushing for a top 5 place in history across formats.
 
SandyB said:
The only thing dumber than Indian fans putting Kohli ahead of smith in tests, are Aussie fans claiming Smith as the best overall bat, even with his okayish ODI and mediocre T20 numbers.

Kohli is pulling ahead of KW & Root at the moment. Do you think KW is being held back too much by his weaker teammates ?
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It's multiple things with Kane, but yeah I think it will become a Big 2 or 3 with Kane and possibly Root falling out.

Most importantly he's not mentally strong as Smith or Kohli, those guys are a lot more driven too.
 
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Top 5 batsmen post 2000s debut

Kohli
Smith
Sanga
AB
Amla

Ranking in terms of their expected results at end of their overall career.
 
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Kohli looks like he's now uninterested in mere 100s. I can easily envision him scoring a long string of 200s now.
 
Upcoming SA series will be career defining one for both Kohli and Ashwin.
 
3 tests vs SA would be very important and then the England series if he can hold his own in those series he will be on his way of being best Indian player ever and the best batsmen ever..
 
Aman said:
Can you put Kohli ahead despite playing in a weaker era?
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Well a lot of people rate Bradman as the best batsmen ever despite him playing in an amateur era.. Bradman of that time will average less than 10 today but still he is considered as the greatest by many..
 
big_gamer007 said:
Well a lot of people rate Bradman as the best batsmen ever despite him playing in an amateur era.. Bradman of that time will average less than 10 today but still he is considered as the greatest by many..
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It’s not right to compare the current batsmen with Bradman who I personally believe is highly overrated. He played 90% of his games against same opponent, same bowlers and scored those 10000 runs in Australia and England.
 
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