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A foreigner can apply for any type of visa (including Employment/ Business Visa) from a countryother than the country of his origin/ domicile. However, in such cases, visa will be granted onlyafter consulting the Indian Mission concerned in the country of origin/ domicile of the foreigner.
Indians jumping up and down and giving themselves high five by making an 18 year old kid to go back to UK and get his visa while he misses out on a debut in the first test.
Great achievement for them. They showed the Colonizers who is the boss................
Great achievement for them. They showed the Colonizers who is the boss................
In the West the laws are equally applied but the bureaucracy (admittedly far from perfect) is nowhere near as slow and inefficient as in India.
England's squad was announced on Dec 11. That's ample time to conduct the extra security checks. Rehan Ahmed only had his papers as he was a reserve for the World Cup.
Should visitors now give 2-3 months notice before touring India ? That's not practical.
Have you seen the pitch of the first test? Bashir could have terrorized our batsmen on that track. So he is a terrorist from that angle.
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Cricket boards should know by now that Pakistani origin players have strict criteria - so better prepare in advance or atleast expedite the process
I this case it seems nobody in ECB knew that for Pakistani origin players third country stamping wont be allowed. Now that's careless. This " Shoaib was doing training in Dubai , so could not get stamped in London " is a very flimsy excuse. India wont change its stamping rules to suit ur training schedule !
ps : Many countries have similar procedures for certain diaspora groups. Like even US has very stringent criteria for UK Pakistanis & much higher rejection rates than native Britishers or British Indians. Ask any UK Pakistani who applied for US visa & u will know
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Its not about showing UK who is the boss. Its about being a self respecting nation & following the same rules & process for everyone - whether West or third world. Not bending in front of the West bcoz they are white skinned
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Not too long before this press release from Boards visiting India:
"The X Board, after consultation with the Indian visa department, announces it's provisional 18-member squad for the 20-match series against India, subject to approval of Junior Clark Visa issuance ministry in New Dehli."
"The X Board, after consultation with the Indian visa department, announces it's provisional 18-member squad for the 20-match series against India, subject to approval of Junior Clark Visa issuance ministry in New Dehli."
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I hope Pakistan learn a few lessons from this whole incident - that you should not treat Western nations with such deference bcoz they are white skinned. It reeks of inferiority complex & lack of self respect
Imran Khan has often talked about his inferiority complex prevalent among Pakistanis when they deal with the West - and he has a point
Imran Khan has often talked about his inferiority complex prevalent among Pakistanis when they deal with the West - and he has a point
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I don't think even the issue is that.
Brits are slowly descending in to crying over anything now a days.
Probably due to identity crisis. As a nation, it's neither here nor there. Even 3rd world countries can stand up against US in many sectors but Brits are no where to be seen. It's in Europe some sort but then again, nothing resembles with Europe. Seems like it is struggling to define itself and suddenly Brits are getting shocked with a shocked pikachu face.... WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED HERE!!!! THE AUDACITY OF THOSE 3RD WORLD NATIONS EH?
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Difference between standing by your rights and hospitality.
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They already know who’s the boss.
It looked pretty pathetic when I saw the news first thing this morning, but if rules were not followed then there’s no excuse for having to go back to the UK to get the Visa stamped. Such rules are standard for 99.99% of the people (my opinion on the %).
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Pakistanis going out of the way to show hospitality to Western nations is actually by product of this inferiority complex. No Western country shows such hospitality back to Pakistanis. If anything their visa rejection rates for Pakistanis is very high
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Not sure if there is some 'chip on the shoulder' thing happening here but if this is an Indian trick to avenge the East India Company then Lord help us.
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We Indians believe in concept of Karma. What goes around, comes around !
We will treat Western nations like they treat us.
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It’s like arguing against the Mankad law. If there are laws, especially that could have been followed in the first place, follow them and don’t make emotional arguments to circumvent.
A foreigner can apply for any type of visa (including Employment/ Business Visa) from a countryother than the country of his origin/ domicile. However, in such cases, visa will be granted onlyafter consulting the Indian Mission concerned in the country of origin/ domicile of the foreigner.
so this is how Indians get treated by Western nations?
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Tons of students face VISA rejections because of the circumstances beyond their control. What makes this kid so special?! He still hasn't lost his opportunity unlike a lot of them.
Well still most us sympathize with the kid for what he went through because of the bureaucracy and being managed by such an inadequate cricket board. Being an Asian cricketer was probably hard enough for him hailing from that part of the world.
What we do rejoice is how the incompetent ex-colonizers whining and whinging, rather unnecessarily it seems now, were made to realise they have to follow rules you know.
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Rightly so.
It seems like "entering country is a privilege" applies only for western world and God forbid if a 3rd world country even dares to apply the same, then shame those countries.
The hypocrisy is cringy but not surprising.
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"...it's unfortunate that he is of Pakistani origin.."
C'mon man. There are a thousand ways to put out your argument but to say that it's unfortunate that he is of Pakistani origin as if being that is a curse.
That is a terrible statement to say.
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Try applying for a UK / US visa & u will know how difficult it is to get visa. These Western nation shave no right to lecture anybody on visa process
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At least UK should not complain about visa procedures given their own visa process is horrendous for non white nations !
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Try applying for a visa as an Indian player for your Test squad...
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Try applying for a visa as an Indian player for the test squad without following the instructions…
His visa has already been approved.
If he is vacationing in some other country and not available to get his passport stamped, then how is that Indian problem.
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Rules will have an addendum if the person is of Pakistani origin. I’m sure ECB knows about it well having several players who have gone through the same process.
So i dont get it
Half of the indians here are justifying it by saying that that Western countries treat Indians like crap so this is why they did htis
half of the indians are saying this happened cause the land is Pakistani origin.
First be sure of the argument itself before trying to bash ECB
Half of the indians here are justifying it by saying that that Western countries treat Indians like crap so this is why they did htis
half of the indians are saying this happened cause the land is Pakistani origin.
First be sure of the argument itself before trying to bash ECB
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What I meant is it's unfortunate that he has to go through this because of his ethnicity .
I'm sure he's a decent lad out to make a living .
But ECB should have known these issues were bound to crop up the moment they named him in the squad especially considering there were similar issues at the World Cup for PAK origin cricketers.
Rehan got his visa on time so clearly there was some issue or miscommunication involved.
rehan has a visa since the world cup
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We don’t talk with each other to get a unified view out before posting on a public forum lol!!
But do you think ECB will not create a stink if they didn’t miss something they needed to abide by? Wouldn’t make a difference though, but at least raise an issue about it.
I do want to say if rules were followed to the T and this was done just to create hurdles, I would not be for it.
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Bashir is of pakistani origin so he has to go through extra checks.
Brits wont get any preferential treatment because they don't give any to Indians.
If Brits expect Indians to obey their laws then Brits must obey Indian laws and not cry.
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Bashir applied for his visa in London. Wanted it stamped in UAE.
This may be the case if people banned in India or their relatives are part of the team.
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This was an issue between an English cricketer and their Board. What has this got to do with Pakistan learning lessons?
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Once again, does Virat Kohli's visa get delayed? Has Rohit Sharma had to return home to India after flying in from India?
Talk sense bro.
We are talking about international cricketers. All their activities are monitored so one of them suddenly donning a suicide bomb jacket is not a possibility.
I understand that there is a need to defend India at all costs but keep it on the level please as it's looking very silly now.
This is not an assault on Indian justice system.
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But he wouldn't be getting any preferential treatment, it would the same as the other players. None of them got denied.
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Yes, Bashir was making these administrative decisions on his own. I'm sure he decided which hotels the team would be staying in and what extra-curricular activities they would partake in once there.
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Criticise the bureaucracy for slow, sure. But wont criticise them for following the rules that people of Pakistani origin need extra vetting. I would expect Pakistan to do the same for Indian origin people.
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Feel free to ban India and invite other countries to form a cricket council leaving India.
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To add - England has had many cricketers of Pakistani origin over the years and will continue to do so. So will GOI continue to make life difficult for them? Surely some common sense has to prevail over the need to target a particular background, though I highly doubt it. @cricketjoshila
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ECB was thinking that they can get royal treatment and get visa in 3rd country but it's 2024 india where everyone has to follow the rule .
Visiting India is a privilege so follow the rule or stay at home.
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Exactly, it not who you are but what you do. Absolute wild we still have to educate people on this stuff in this day and age.
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ECB should cancel the tour on the grounds of racism and fascism, and setup a home series with Pakistan instead.
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Lies.
So the ACB messed up too did they with Khawaja? Everyone's fault, Muslims in particular, but never the fault of GoI.
Not that you have applied for a VISA (it shows), but a sporting visa has different entry requirements to travel/residential VISAs.
Stop spreading lies and stop defending your fascist and racist government.
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Another lie.
When applying for a UK/USA VISA, most Indians are applying for : Tourist, Spouse, Business, or Study VISA. NOT a single one of these can be compared to entry requirements for sport. For example, non sporting VISAs do require the applicant to provide proof of income.
To sum up, half of Indians are daily begging for VISAs to leave India, yet at the same time are denying VISAs for Indian entry to play sport.
India will never rise above its past, ever.
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Indian fans thinking millions are begging to visit, they are not. They knew who he was but they think this is a chance to show their power again. lol.
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Embarrassing village level stuff from the dehati....ummm i mean Indian government. I must praise ECB and the english cricketers for raising hell over it. The Indians rubbed their nose and have granted the visa to Bashir.
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Hardly a show of power when Modi does his annual rounds with Western leaders to lift quotas and requirements for Indian applicants.
If it wasn't for Indians flocking in their droves to the UK, we wouldn't have the Immigration Act of 1962!
The entire GoI mouthpiece (along with their social media keyboard warriors) must think we were born yesterday!
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Maybe they thought he was coming over the IPL.
Irony is the chap only young is contributing via his taxes to help poor Indians. £2.3B between 2016-2021. But thats ok.
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I think the extra vetting is fine. It's their country and if they feel it's important then that's great.
But the speed at which the processing was done for a clearly low-risk individual asking for a sports visa is a knock on the GOI government. Sometimes, common sense should be used and a quicker response would have ensured Bashir had time to go back and get his document stamped (or submit more documents depending on what the requirement was).
If they were faster, they could have a win-win situation on their hands. They could complete their extra vetting and not have to deal with this type of criticism.
But the speed at which the processing was done for a clearly low-risk individual asking for a sports visa is a knock on the GOI government. Sometimes, common sense should be used and a quicker response would have ensured Bashir had time to go back and get his document stamped (or submit more documents depending on what the requirement was).
If they were faster, they could have a win-win situation on their hands. They could complete their extra vetting and not have to deal with this type of criticism.
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I mean if procedure had a rule that he needed a stamp in England and he didn't have it then is there an issue? ECB messed up
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Lol extra vetting.
What do you think they do man?
Some pajeet just puts it to the bottom of the pile or deliberately delays it.
You really think they have the capabilities to do extensive vetting or background checks on some county cricketer or his shop keeper dad?
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Pure delusion . Bashir fly back to London to get visa .now he can comes to India.
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Yes ECB messed up the process but playing victim card now . They were think that he can get visa in 3rd country ( UAE) but GOI doesn't have any such policy.
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I agree, we all know how these nations "vet" people but let's just assume they have rigorous background checks.
If they had got back to them faster, they could have avoided this issue.
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So you are ok with extra vetting instead of putting the file at the bottom of the pile?
What is a pajeet?
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We all know this BS about having to have the visa issued in London is just a ruse to try and deflect this shameless act by GOI and their cronies. Whose willing to bet if it had been someone like Stokes or Butler that we would have not known about it.
Exactly, we wouldn't cos the visa would have been issued no matter where they were and could then go quietly about their business. Glad people are speaking up about it and the bhakhts have got their knickers in a twist trying to dig themselves out of a hole.
Exactly, we wouldn't cos the visa would have been issued no matter where they were and could then go quietly about their business. Glad people are speaking up about it and the bhakhts have got their knickers in a twist trying to dig themselves out of a hole.
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not sure why you think there is some sort attempt to hide this.
It has been written policy for a while now that Indian visa for Pak citizens and Pak origin citizens of other countries is treated differently and the processing time is 7-8 weeks.
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Why Australia will travel to Pakistan without a spin coach
Australia’s spin coach Sridharan Sriram won’t be able to pass on advice to the likes of Nathan Lyon, Mitch Swepson and Ashton Agar during play in the upcoming tour of Pakistan.
Australia’s spinners won’t have access to a specialist coach on the ground for their upcoming series in Pakistan, with consultant Sridharan Sriram set to miss the historic tour after being unable to secure a visa because he is an Indian national.
Sriram has worked with the Australian cricket team as a spin coach since 2016, having played eight one-day internationals for India from 2000 to 2004.
The 46-year-old, who lives in India, is a highly regarded spin consultant but sources with knowledge of the situation have told the Herald that Sriram was unable to secure a visa for the tour, Australia’s first to the country since 1998, because of his heritage.
Indian passport holders find it much harder to obtain visas in Pakistan, given the fractious history between the countries. Indian nationals, along with citizens from some other countries, have to register with Pakistan police when they enter the country.
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Why Australia will travel to Pakistan without a spin coach
Australia’s spin coach Sridharan Sriram won’t be able to pass on advice to the likes of Nathan Lyon, Mitch Swepson and Ashton Agar during play in the upcoming tour of Pakistan.www.theage.com.au
Australia’s spinners won’t have access to a specialist coach on the ground for their upcoming series in Pakistan, with consultant Sridharan Sriram set to miss the historic tour after being unable to secure a visa because he is an Indian national.
Sriram has worked with the Australian cricket team as a spin coach since 2016, having played eight one-day internationals for India from 2000 to 2004.
The 46-year-old, who lives in India, is a highly regarded spin consultant but sources with knowledge of the situation have told the Herald that Sriram was unable to secure a visa for the tour, Australia’s first to the country since 1998, because of his heritage.
Indian passport holders find it much harder to obtain visas in Pakistan, given the fractious history between the countries. Indian nationals, along with citizens from some other countries, have to register with Pakistan police when they enter the country.
And this is perfectly fine. Hope indians won't be outraging over a false sense of entitlement.
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I think that what the title of this thread suggests, the Indian gov wants the same. They want every nation to ask them about the squad they want to select for the series if they want no visa delays. A guy who is not Pakistani anymore and living and playing abroad since his berth, these kinds of delays should never have happened. I hope somebody pays attention to it in the Indian govt. and take it as an example again to do better next time.
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Stokes or Butler are not of Pakistani origin. Are they?
So why will they face the same scrutiny as Bashir?
No one here in India is bothered about what pakistanis or Brits think about our visa policy. Its our country and our security is more important than any sporting tour.
Brits are whining because a former colony is making them follow the rules.
Pakistanis are whining because India doesn't give two hoots to their western passport and still treats them as pakistani.
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Anyone of pakistani heritage is still considered a Pakistani as per visa rules of India no matter what passport he or she holds.
This rule will stay.
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Anyone with pakistani heritage will continue to have to go through extra scrutiny. Doesn't matter which passport he holds.
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No one denied him a visa. His visa was approved after extra scrutiny. But it has to be stamped in London, the place where he applied for it and not in UAE where ECB wanted it.
Follow the rules and its simple.
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Well this rule does not makes sense for players like him who were born abroad and have never been to Pakistan.
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Is India at war with UK? No
UK doesn't have extra vetting for Indian citizens so this example doesn't hold any good.
Rules don't change for cricketers. They are not visiting diplomats.
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There are no exception to the rule.
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Why not? Why can a simple phone call not take place between UAE and UK embassies etc?
Why does everything have to become a 'We are India' issues?
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why? follow the rules. isn't that what is always preached here?
Is ECB so incompetent that they couldn't get their ducks lined up? Its not the first time the India visa for Pak origin players has come up. ECB with their enourmous budget couldn't pay attention to the details and becos of that a country has to change its protocols? gimme a break.
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ECB could have easily shipped the Passport back and forth from dubai to london in a 24 hour turn around.
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Preached where?
What is the issue in making an exception when an international high profile team is coming to India?
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You do NOT send passports by DHL.
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why not? I have shipped my passport for visas and renewals via courier services many many times and have been shipped back to me via fedex, ups, DHL and USPS.
standard practice here in the US
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This is England's tour of India, not some Uganda's team that is visiting.
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