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Was Sheikh Mujeeb ur Rehman, the Imran Khan of 1970s?

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Just like PTI in 2024 recent elections, Sheikh Mujeeb's Awami Party took clear lead in the 1970 elections but was not allowed to form the government despite clear majority


So was Sheikh Mujeeb a traitor as we see in Pakistan's Textbooks or he like Imran Khan was a patriot who was branded as traitor just to malign and erase his legacy? What are your thoughts on this question and how do you remember the character of Sheikh Mujeeb?. Share your thoughts below.
 
Mujeeb ur Rahman represented 99% of the Bengali nation, while Imran Khan only represents a group of supporters. This is because there are also supporters of other parties in significant numbers, and the country consists of various ethnicities and nations. Therefore, it seems unjust to compare Mujeeb ur Rahman with Imran Khan.
 
This means that imran is a traitor than.

Mujeeb had treacherous mandate that no one in west pakistan would had accepted and rightly so. You cant go and create a seperate army and have seprate currency

Mujeeb represented only Bengalis. He wont nothing in punjab, sindh and nwfp

Imran has won from kpk and punjab.

Both had a different approach to election campaign.

Mujeeb represent bengals and stood for the suffering of Bengals.

Imrans campaign is on populism. He made his pm career with the help of army and continued to use his populism.


The only thing similar about both of then is they are both rigid for stupid reasons and cant compromise.

But IK doesnt represent suffering of some ethinic group.

Mujeeb ur rehman is more similar to Baluchistan politicians.

Imran is more similar to Donald Trump
 
Major said:
This means that imran is a traitor than.

Mujeeb had treacherous mandate that no one in west pakistan would had accepted and rightly so. You cant go and create a seperate army and have seprate currency

Mujeeb represented only Bengalis. He wont nothing in punjab, sindh and nwfp

Imran has won from kpk and punjab.

Both had a different approach to election campaign.

Mujeeb represent bengals and stood for the suffering of Bengals.

Imrans campaign is on populism. He made his pm career with the help of army and continued to use his populism.


The only thing similar about both of then is they are both rigid for stupid reasons and cant compromise.

But IK doesnt represent suffering of some ethinic group.

Mujeeb ur rehman is more similar to Baluchistan politicians.

Imran is more similar to Donald Trump
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So in Pak history, you mean he is more similar to ZAB than Mujeeb?
 
Major said:
This means that imran is a traitor than.

Mujeeb had treacherous mandate that no one in west pakistan would had accepted and rightly so. You cant go and create a seperate army and have seprate currency

Mujeeb represented only Bengalis. He wont nothing in punjab, sindh and nwfp

Imran has won from kpk and punjab.

Both had a different approach to election campaign.

Mujeeb represent bengals and stood for the suffering of Bengals.

Imrans campaign is on populism. He made his pm career with the help of army and continued to use his populism.


The only thing similar about both of then is they are both rigid for stupid reasons and cant compromise.

But IK doesnt represent suffering of some ethinic group.

Mujeeb ur rehman is more similar to Baluchistan politicians.

Imran is more similar to Donald Trump
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No where in the world does the majority want to leave the minority. Had the Bengalis been given political power, they would have dominated both West and East Pakistan. Had Mujeeb been given the PM seat, he would not have bothered with the 6 points, instead Bengalis would be in the position that Punjabis are in today in Pakistan.


And we would never have got to the 6 points, had Fatima Jinnah been allowed to become PM
 
Gharib Aadmi said:
No where in the world does the majority want to leave the minority. Had the Bengalis been given political power, they would have dominated both West and East Pakistan. Had Mujeeb been given the PM seat, he would not have bothered with the 6 points, instead Bengalis would be in the position that Punjabis are in today in Pakistan.


And we would never have got to the 6 points, had Fatima Jinnah been allowed to become PM
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mujeeb was not turning back on the 6 points because he did his whole election campaign on those 6 points. People like to assume he would had taken a u turn, but he never did. There was a dialogue with him and he kept insisting he couldn't.

Those 6 points were treacherous. I am not saying he was wrong from his pov, but no Pakistani could/should had agreed to that.

Even if today Baluchistan comes with similar demand, it cannot be accepted
 
Mujeeb was into Bengali nationalism mostly. Imran Khan cares about all of Pakistan.

So, not the same.

Only similarity is both got jailed.
 
Major said:
mujeeb was not turning back on the 6 points because he did his whole election campaign on those 6 points. People like to assume he would had taken a u turn, but he never did. There was a dialogue with him and he kept insisting he couldn't.

Those 6 points were treacherous. I am not saying he was wrong from his pov, but no Pakistani could/should had agreed to that.

Even if today Baluchistan comes with similar demand, it cannot be accepted
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He won he should have gotten the seat. And then we would have seen what he did.

Also Baloch are like 3% of the population. Not even a majority in Balochistan. Bengalis at that time were more than 50%. Why would they want to lose all the land in the west if they were the ones in charge.
 
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Gharib Aadmi said:
There was no need for dialogue. He won he should have gotten the seat. And then we would have seen what he did.

Also Baloch are like 3% of the population. Not even a majority in Balochistan. Bengalis at that time were more than 50%. Why would they want to lose all the land in the west if they were the ones in charge.
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nope doesnt work that way.

If tomr some guy does a campaign and says he would re merge pakistan to india or make punjab independant, you dont give the govt to such a person
 
But would the things have been different had Mujeeb be given the chance to form the govt?
sweep_shot said:
Mujeeb was into Bengali nationalism mostly. Imran Khan cares about all of Pakistan.

So, not the same.

Only similarity is both got jailed.
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Gharib Aadmi said:
No where in the world does the majority want to leave the minority. Had the Bengalis been given political power, they would have dominated both West and East Pakistan. Had Mujeeb been given the PM seat, he would not have bothered with the 6 points, instead Bengalis would be in the position that Punjabis are in today in Pakistan.


And we would never have got to the 6 points, had Fatima Jinnah been allowed to become PM
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Interesting thoughts and yep Fatima Jinnah would have changed things. Just let Imran Khan change the things now for betterment of Pak.
 
Imran Khan will never be allowed to run this country freely. Powerfuls want to remain powerful and they will do anything to stay the same and be in power back stage.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
No bro he was both, have you forgotten that he used to call Ayub "daddy".
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A social media rumor started by ayub's son, omar ayub.

Besides in pakistan, people do call thrre mentors rohani baap, so if its even true he probably said it in that context
 
The Bald Eagle said:
But would the things have been different had Mujeeb be given the chance to form the govt?
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How could things have been different? He was going to fulfill his 6 points.

And by fullfillinh those 6 points, it would had meant, if not 1971 than by 1972, 73, 75 or one day, east pakistan would had gotten its independance. When you give provinces there own army and own currency nothing good can come out of it
 
Major said:
How could things have been different? He was going to fulfill his 6 points.

And by fullfillinh those 6 points, it would had meant, if not 1971 than by 1972, 73, 75 or one day, east pakistan would had gotten its independance. When you give provinces there own army and own currency nothing good can come out of it
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Own currency was a very stupid demand. Can't believe that was on the table.

A country should have only one currency and one army.
 
This will go down as the defining moment in Pak history. Establishment through their poodles are not letting go of their corrupted authority.

Rigging like we've never seen before will put the seed of doubt in future aspiring imran khan type honest leaders that this banana republic is beyond repair.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Mujeeb ur Rahman represented 99% of the Bengali nation, while Imran Khan only represents a group of supporters. This is because there are also supporters of other parties in significant numbers, and the country consists of various ethnicities and nations. Therefore, it seems unjust to compare Mujeeb ur Rahman with Imran Khan.
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80% of Pakistanis support IK.

It’s not a ‘group of supporters’
 
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aboveandbeyond said:
This will go down as the defining moment in Pak history. Establishment through their poodles are not letting go of their corrupted authority.

Rigging like we've never seen before will put the seed of doubt in future aspiring imran khan type honest leaders that this banana republic is beyond repair.
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What is more mind boggling is that among the biggest supporters of the rigged elections are the same Pakistanis who have openly confessed to hate their country with a passion.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
But both challenged the establishment and hence were put behind the bars.
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That's the only similarity you can find for now. But that can be true for any leader. PLMN supporters an argue their leader NS challenged establishment and was put behind bars.
 
RidiculousMan said:
That's the only similarity you can find for now. But that can be true for any leader. PLMN supporters an argue their leader NS challenged establishment and was put behind bars.
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Both won the majority but were not allowed to form govt,both were entangled in political cases. Both were popular leaders and both were willing to cooperate with establishment but the establishment rejected them.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Both won the majority but were not allowed to form govt,both were entangled in political cases. Both were popular leaders and both were willing to cooperate with establishment but the establishment rejected them.
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The main reason why this comparison is foul is that the Bengal region and its people had a history. They suffered collectively as people many times even before 1971.

Authoritarian suppressing people's demands and rejecting their voice has happened many times in history. That is common. But every situation is unique.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Just like PTI in 2024 recent elections, Sheikh Mujeeb's Awami Party took clear lead in the 1970 elections but was not allowed to form the government despite clear majority


So was Sheikh Mujeeb a traitor as we see in Pakistan's Textbooks or he like Imran Khan was a patriot who was branded as traitor just to malign and erase his legacy? What are your thoughts on this question and how do you remember the character of Sheikh Mujeeb?. Share your thoughts below.
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Yes similar, because the powers that be could not handle the popular backing both leaders had/have and were made to suffer.

Of course once you have decided to push them aside then it's time to use the 'traitor' tag. Here there is a massive difference. The establishment back then decided and dictated the popular discourse, newspapers, school texts etc... ie. they held powerful influence over people's opinion. Mujeeb is a traitor to most people because that is what they have heard, what they have been taught, back then the establishment succeeded.

Unfortunately in the modern era the establishment has little influence over popular opinion no matter how hard they try, and people are better informed. Had Mujeeb had the backing of today's technology, social media etc... East Pakistan would've been aware of the atrocities and suffering being endured by their brethren in West Pakistan. Questions would have been asked about the establishment's stupidity and cruelty.
 
Its amazing how people are re-examining Mujeeb and even Altaf as a result of the recent actions of the establishment.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Its amazing how people are re-examining Mujeeb and even Altaf as a result of the recent actions of the establishment.
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'recent actions?'..... you think they were chasing sainthood the past 6 decades?

Wake up, the establishment has been at it in cahoots with the elites from DAY 1!
 
shortbread said:
'recent actions?'..... you think they were chasing sainthood the past 6 decades?

Wake up, the establishment has been at it in cahoots with the elites from DAY 1!
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Yes I understand but the change in thinking of the public and re examination of past 'truths' is directly as a result of their actions towards Imran.
 
Things that fold in the 1970s was a crisis that arose due to the establishment then. and today what we are seeing is something similar. Establishment is now working openly and because this is not 70s era, people are more informed due to social media and they have a good idea of what is going on.
 
Kianig89 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1756530569754615901

https://twitter.com/x/status/1756192523997835682

Even the Bakhts are in awe of Imran Khan , this is called popularity post 8Feb IK popularity is unprecedented, Oxford dictionary may have to add Imran Khan in dictionary as new word for bravery and defiance
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in awe of imran khan? unlikely.

More of a schaudenfraude looking at the messed up situation.

Establishment: Weakened

PML-N and PPP : humiliated

IK: still stuck in prison

In the mean time, Pakistan has to go knocking IMF door in the next few months
 
After Pakistani establishment refused to hand over power to Mujeeb (for winning election), Mujeeb famously said this at a speech, "Ebarer shongram, amader muktir shongram. Ebarer shongram, shadhinotar shongram. Tomader ja kisu ase, tai niye, shotrur mokabela korte hobe." [Translation: This revolution is for our freedom. This revolution is for our independence. You have to fight the enemy with whatever you have.]

What is happening to Imran Khan/PTI has similarities with what happened to Mujeeb back then (even though Mujeeb and Imran had different objectives and challenges).
 
rpant_gabba said:
In the mean time, Pakistan has to go knocking IMF door in the next few months
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this has been a norm in Pakistan. We cannot even debate this fact now that every govt has to go to the IMF and If they are saying or making promises like we will never go to the IMF, then they are a bunch of liars. IMF is in the roots of this country and is just seems impossible to get rid of it.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Just like PTI in 2024 recent elections, Sheikh Mujeeb's Awami Party took clear lead in the 1970 elections but was not allowed to form the government despite clear majority


So was Sheikh Mujeeb a traitor as we see in Pakistan's Textbooks or he like Imran Khan was a patriot who was branded as traitor just to malign and erase his legacy? What are your thoughts on this question and how do you remember the character of Sheikh Mujeeb?. Share your thoughts below.
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1970 election , which Mujib won , were free and fare elections , 2024 elections were just a joke. Had 2024 elections were like 1970 elections IK would have been a bigger winner than Mujib. establishment did not accept Bengalis mandate after the election , while establishment tried to block IK before and after elections and refused to accept people's mandate . Mujib was not a traitor, actually traitor turned out to be Bhutto . establishment doing the same with people of Pakistan what it did with people of then East Pakistan in 1970. Sharif's is playing Bhutto's role now .
 
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Mujeeb was a fighter with ideals, Imran is a coward who needed establishment to even come near to power.
No comparison really..
 
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BouncerGuy said:
this has been a norm in Pakistan. We cannot even debate this fact now that every govt has to go to the IMF and If they are saying or making promises like we will never go to the IMF, then they are a bunch of liars. IMF is in the roots of this country and is just seems impossible to get rid of it.
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not that complicated. Live within your means.

An example you might not like is India. had to put gold as collateral. got out of it clean by focussing on economy rather than other extracurricular activity if you get my drift.
 
BouncerGuy said:
They don't do that. They have already crossed the limits and forgot the original job they were supposed to do.
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Thats going to be a problem. Unlike the past no other country is lining up to pay the bills for pakistan
 
rpant_gabba said:
Thats going to be a problem. Unlike the past no other country is lining up to pay the bills for pakistan
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This nation is morally very down TBH. Give a vote on the basis of 1 plate biryani and because their ancestors used to vote for a particular party. Until we change ourselves, nothing is going to change and these guys will feed on poor people of Pakistan till eternity.
 
Don't know much about Mujeeb, but one thing is for sure about IK's legacy: he keeps making comebacks. Whether it's during a cricket World Cup, the reconstruction of Shaukat Khanum Hospital after a bomb attack, his post-political activities after the 2013 General Elections, the 2014 dharna movement, the 2022 Vote of No Confidence (VONC) ouster, or the 2024 elections, he makes a comeback every time, and with more power. He is master of making comebacks.

I know many top journalists and political analysts predicted his civil disobedience movement in 2014 dharnas as political suicide, but he made a comeback nonetheless. Incredible!
 
hoshiarpurexpress said:
Mujib is the only one who one a mandate.
Rest all other Pakistan politicians are sellouts including Khan
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Yeah, this is my point. How many times have you seen people getting out of their homes to cast a vote against this corrupt mafia?
 
The protests in Bangladesh are not about Islamists taking over but about the people demanding accountability and reform from the government.

Pakistanis celebrating the supposed "Islamist takeover" in Bangladesh are misinformed and spreading misinformation.
Let's not fall prey to propaganda and misinformation, and instead promote understanding, tolerance, and cooperation between nations.​
 
BouncerGuy said:
The protests in Bangladesh are not about Islamists taking over but about the people demanding accountability and reform from the government.

Pakistanis celebrating the supposed "Islamist takeover" in Bangladesh are misinformed and spreading misinformation.
Let's not fall prey to propaganda and misinformation, and instead promote understanding, tolerance, and cooperation between nations.​
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Exactly.

We just wanted Hasina gone because she was not allowing any fair election and there were high levels of corruptions.
 
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