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"India take on arch rivals Pakistan at Old Trafford on June 16 and will again enjoy the bulk of support with 66.6 per cent of tickets sold to India supporters compared to just 18.1 per cent to Pakistan."

I think this is really unfair, it should have been split, add to that Asians in Manchester are predominantly of Pakistani origin. ICC again favouring India.

I like many of my friends and family applied for tickets but we were unsuccessful. Why weren't the seats split?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/c...s-outnumber-England-supporters-Edgbaston.html
 
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If true Indians were better at organising to get online early with more numbers but I doubt the split will be so much

ICC did not allocate more for any nationalities
 
Its okay, when the team starts performing the majority abandons and runs from the stadium in numbers. We have seen that before, and hopefully will see that again.
 
KingKhanWC said:
If true Indians were better at organising to get online early with more numbers but I doubt the split will be so much

ICC did not allocate more for any nationalities
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...s-outnumber-England-supporters-Edgbaston.html

When I applied, they asked which team you supported when you went into the auction, it's only after a month you found out whether successful or not. They should have made it even, add to the fact more Pakistanis live in the UK than Indians.

ICC favouring India big time here..
 
Pakistani fans probably sold their tickets to Indian fans. Don't blame them either considering our record v India :))
 
It’s becoming too common for India Pak games in England.

Pakistanis in general are second best in all facets really to Indians.
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...s-outnumber-England-supporters-Edgbaston.html

When I applied, they asked which team you supported when you went into the auction, it's only after a month you found out whether successful or not. They should have made it even, add to the fact more Pakistanis live in the UK than Indians.

ICC favouring India big time here..
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More Pakistanis live in UK than Indians? Really?

Also this is a global allocation of tickets.

And lastly since Indians outnumber Pakistanis 6:1 globally,its obvious that more Indians would have applied and hence got more tickets
 
Why is it unfair?

They are a lot more in numbers and it's not their fault that Brit Pakistanis in large numbers can't spare enough cash to get the tickets.

IND fans are mostly wealthier and can afford the tickets, even from 3rd party / black sellers. That's why they get the tickets at any cost.

Our folks in general are far behind in terms of financial, professional and educational status.
 
If the tickets weren't intentionally reserved to be split up among the team fans I don't see any problem.

This simply means Indian fans bought more tickets than Pakistani.
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
"India take on arch rivals Pakistan at Old Trafford on June 16 and will again enjoy the bulk of support with 66.6 per cent of tickets sold to India supporters compared to just 18.1 per cent to Pakistan."

I think this is really unfair, it should have been split, add to that Asians in Manchester are predominantly of Pakistani origin. ICC again favouring India.

I like many of my friends and family applied for tickets but we were unsuccessful. Why weren't the seats split?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/c...s-outnumber-England-supporters-Edgbaston.html
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Why it SHOULD BE split?
 
The ICC lost its impartiality a long time ago Nothing new here
 
It was supposed to be a fair and neutral ballot allocation between the sets of fans

Supposed to be
 
Zaz said:
It was supposed to be a fair and neutral ballot allocation between the sets of fans

Supposed to be
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Nope.

And tickets are bought on first come first serve basis.

Besides, IND fans are financially a lot more wealthier and able to purchase tickets at any cost.
 
cricketjoshila said:
More Pakistanis live in UK than Indians? Really?

Also this is a global allocation of tickets.

And lastly since Indians outnumber Pakistanis 6:1 globally,its obvious that more Indians would have applied and hence got more tickets
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I take the statement back slightly more Indians in UK than Pakistanis.

Over 400k applicants for this game, do you think 80% were Indians?

I like many others didn't get one, before you go into auction they ask which team you follow?
 
Hawkeye said:
Nope.

And tickets are bought on first come first serve basis.

Besides, IND fans are financially a lot more wealthier and able to purchase tickets at any cost.
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No they are not, it's not first come first serve basis. Tickets are not expensive in this world cup..
 
Hawkeye said:
Nope.

And tickets are bought on first come first serve basis.

Besides, IND fans are financially a lot more wealthier and able to purchase tickets at any cost.
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NO The allocation wasnt on a first come first basis It was a ballot where u register your bank details and how many tickets you want and then you were told at a later day if you were successful or not with tickets being allocated straight away and your bank charged

The cost of the tickets has nothing to do with this as they were at a set price for all

Its obvious whats going on here
 
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Who bought the rest of 16% ? Thats more surprising to me.
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
No they are not, it's not first come first serve basis. Tickets are not expensive in this world cup..
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Ballot was random.

They might not be expensive for you but clearly majority of the Pak fans can't afford them. Or afford to travel to uk.
 
Zaz said:
NO The allocation wasnt on a first come first basis It was a ballot where u register your bank details and how many tickets you want and then you were told at a later day if you were successful or not with tickets being allocated straight away and your bank charged

The cost of the tickets has nothing to do with this as they were at a set price for all
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For that match yes, and the ballot was random.

Say 100 Pak fans applied and 10,000 IND fans applied. You do the math.

It is common sense.
 
Zaz said:
NO The allocation wasnt on a first come first basis It was a ballot where u register your bank details and how many tickets you want and then you were told at a later day if you were successful or not with tickets being allocated straight away and your bank charged

The cost of the tickets has nothing to do with this as they were at a set price for all
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Exactly, is this an Indian tournament or an international tournament. First they get additional week off, then Dhoni breaks ICC rules and get polite request.

Hassan Minaj documentary is all true, BCCI are destroying world cricket...
 
Hawkeye said:
Ballot was random.

They might not be expensive for you but clearly majority of the Pak fans can't afford them. Or afford to travel to uk.
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Pakistanis have a sizeable majority in the uk amongst ethnics and money isnt an issue for a lot of the people here

This isnt a valid reason for this
 
Hawkeye said:
For that match yes, and the ballot was random.

Say 100 Pak fans applied and 10,000 IND fans applied. You do the math.

It is common sense.
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How you know this???

It's was still a ballot, should have had fixed amount for India and Pak and some neutrals.
 
Because of 2 reasons:

-Indians are everywhere, in every nation, simply can't outnumber them
-So many Pakistanis sell their tickets on the black market, a lot of them buy tickets for this reason so they can sell it for 10 times high.
 
Hawkeye said:
For that match yes, and the ballot was random.

Say 100 Pak fans applied and 10,000 IND fans applied. You do the math.

It is common sense.
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Your example is ludicrous There are more pakistanis in the uk than indians where the tournament is being held Why would the difference be so much in the application
 
Pakpak said:
Because of 2 reasons:

-Indians are everywhere, in every nation, simply can't outnumber them
-So many Pakistanis sell their tickets on the black market, a lot of them buy tickets for this reason so they can sell it for 10 times high.
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Similar amount of Pakistanis and Indians in UK.

These are official numbers not black market numbers?
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
Similar amount of Pakistanis and Indians in UK.

These are official numbers not black market numbers?
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I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Indians travelled to UK as well. Or simply they're more bothered about going to support their team than Pakistanis.
 
Pakpak said:
Because of 2 reasons:

-Indians are everywhere, in every nation, simply can't outnumber them
-So many Pakistanis sell their tickets on the black market, a lot of them buy tickets for this reason so they can sell it for 10 times high.
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How many indians are going to be coming from overseas? Lets be real the majority of the applications a year before the tournament would be from locals not from overeseas
 
Indians are buying tours from India specifically for this game, Pakistani's can only dream of obtaining visa's for the same purpose. Inidna fans outweigh the number of pakistanis so seems fair split, i am sure once in the ground it will be more even as fans buy from the black market etc.
 
600k population of manchester

Asian: 17.1% (8.5% Pakistani, 2.7% Chinese, 2.3% Indian, 1.3% Bangladeshi, 2.3% other Asian)

What's the point in hosting the game when locals cannot get tickets?
 
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cricketjoshila said:
More Pakistanis live in UK than Indians? Really?

Also this is a global allocation of tickets.

And lastly since Indians outnumber Pakistanis 6:1 globally,its obvious that more Indians would have applied and hence got more tickets
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~1.5 million Indian born people or those with Indian roots live in the UK.

For Pakistanis that number is ~1.2 million.

Those numbers are correct as of the 2011 census however they don’t include the significant number of illegal migrants from both countries (estimated to be between 50-100k each).
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
600k population of manchester

Asian: 17.1% (8.5% Pakistani, 2.7% Chinese, 2.3% Indian, 1.3% Bangladeshi, 2.3% other Asian)

What's the point in hosting the game when locals cannot get tickets?
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According to some local pakistani populations arent interested and also the pakistani locals are living on the breadline so they cant afford them as well
 
Zaz said:
According to some local pakistani populations arent interested and also the pakistani locals are living on the breadline so they cant afford them as well
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Pakistanis especially younger fans are losing interest in the game. This is because the cricket set up is no longer producing superstars.
 
Zaz said:
According to some local pakistani populations arent interested and also the pakistani locals are living on the breadline so they cant afford them as well
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I was at the game in Old Trafford in 2016 against England. The crowd was 80% Pakistani. you can check highlights of the game.

A month before that, I was at the test match in the same Stadium and the numbers were in reverse in England's favour.

The local Pakistanis ARE interested in ODI/T20 big time and the tickets cost doesn't matter as we are talking about ballot tickets which are cheap anyway.

Also, I am aware of Indians winning loads of tickets and selling them in the black market so the statement about Pakistanis selling tickets isn't true either. The Pakistanis I am aware of that are selling is mostly because they put down more number than they needed and now have spare 1-2 tickets that they wanna sell for a bigger price to make some dough on the side.

This is not to say Pakistanis haven't won tickets solely to sell but just wanted to debunk the general myth in this thread.
 
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Zaz said:
According to some local pakistani populations arent interested and also the pakistani locals are living on the breadline so they cant afford them as well
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Very strong support for Pakistan cricket in greater Manchester. As for living on breadline, this isnt third world country.
 
Tapeballcricket said:
I was at the game in Old Trafford in 2016 against England. The crowd was 80% Pakistani. you can check highlights of the game.

A month before that, I was at the test match in the same Stadium and the numbers were in reverse in England's favour.

The local Pakistanis ARE interested in ODI/T20 big time and the tickets cost doesn't matter as we are talking about ballot tickets which are cheap anyway.

Also, I am aware of Indians winning loads of tickets and selling them in the black market so the statement about Pakistanis selling tickets isn't true either. The Pakistanis I am aware of that are selling is mostly because they put down more number than they needed and now have spare 1-2 tickets that they wanna sell for a bigger price to make some dough on the side.

This is not to say Pakistanis haven't won tickets solely to sell but just wanted to debunk the general myth in this thread.
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Exactly pakistanis have a sizeable majority in numbers over the indians in the northern towns of oldham rochdale bradford manchester to name a few Where people are interested and follow the team Pakistan historically have done well in england and in the last decade won 2icc trophys playing here

I was at the same t20 game in manchester To say pakistanis arent interested is falsehood Yes a percentage may sell them on but who wouldnt want to go and watch a once in a lifetime world cup india vs pakistan game in your back yard?
 
The ticket sales are not limited to Manchester and the UK. I live in mainland Europe and also applied for the tickets.

The only way the OPs insinuations can be proven are if we see the ratio of applicants per country (fans).

Since it was a ballot, my assumption is that the number of tickets allocated per country will be proportional to the number of applicants per country.

I am quite confident the country one supports did not play a part in allocation of the tickets. Otherwise it is very easy to game the system.
 
My cousin applied for ticket and when he was asked which team he supported, they put the phone down!
 
Well we all know this is the game ICC are banking on and will make the most money.

But neither of these teams are home teams so needed to be fair.

Victory will taste even better..
 
Didn't Indian fans outnumber Pakistani counterparts in the Asia Cup matches in Dubai? IIRC both Indians and Bangladeshis filled in the UAE stadiums for every match while Pakistan fans disappointed, I remember a few threads about that here. Maybe more Indians are enthusiastic about attending the matches, if 150 Indians and 20 Pakistanis apply through the ballot system obviously the odds are stacked heavily in the favor of the majority side. It doesn't matter how Pakistanis outnumber Indians in Manchester, the ballot isn't open just for people from one city, fans from all over the world will apply in such cases. With India's population advantage and booming middle class, tourism to UK will be big during this harsh summer, I guess many would have made their plans around the WC.
 
When England play Pakistan in England (in LOIs) the crowd is at least a 50-50 split or majority Pakistani. This despite Pakistanis only making up 2% of the population. Guess the ICC and ECB are biased against England supporters. Sad!
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...s-outnumber-England-supporters-Edgbaston.html

When I applied, they asked which team you supported when you went into the auction, it's only after a month you found out whether successful or not. They should have made it even, add to the fact more Pakistanis live in the UK than Indians.

ICC favouring India big time here..
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I do agree that the ticket allocation should be more evenly split as a proportion of UK Population.
However, you must realise that there was probably more general UK and Worldwide demand for tickets from Indians than Pakistanis.
Your UK population facts are not correct either:
There are officially more Indians in the UK than Pakistanis
United Kingdom Census 2011 recorded:
1,451,862 Indians
1,170,000 Pakistanis
And I would say that the Gap is much bigger now since Modi last visited the UK and secured pledges guaranteeing 1000's of Indians work permits in the IT Health Fields together more student placements.
 
The amount of misinformation on this thread is alarming. The reason the split is like this is the Bharat army became an icc partner along with a load of other companies to sell ticket n travel and ticket n hotel packages for the game. On top of that they got a priority access code for the first ballot same with the counties. Based on this the split is so high. For the India vs Pakistan game Bharat army got 2k tickets to sell as packages. Other companies around the world got around 500-1k each. There were 3 different companies including Bharat army selling the packages in India. The Bharat army were also the official seller in the uk and America . There was no restriction based on country. I got my tickets from the South African appointed ticket n travel provider so for data purposes I’m South African even though I live in the uk and support India . Same way England fans by from Bharat army and for the data are Indian Until Pakistan have an icc appointed agent for global events the split will always be high .
 
They did this based on the ballot I’m guessing. A lot of Pakistanis picked India as their ‘favourite team’ hoping that would secure them Pakistan vs Jndia tickets. That definitely boosted up the Indians percentage.

This is the 4th Pakistan India game I’m going too in my lifetime. In the previous 3, The Indians out numbered us. They always do tbh.

Plus I know 2 Pakistanis who sold more than 10 tickets between them for mad prices, All too Indians.
 
The Last Pak v India WC game in England in 1999 at Old Trafford was around 80-85% Pakistani and 15-20% Indian/Neutrals.
How times have changed.
 
Braveheart said:
The Last Pak v India WC game in England in 1999 at Old Trafford was around 80-85% Pakistani and 15-20% Indian/Neutrals.
How times have changed.
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That is Pakistan’s only hope. The fact that the game is in Manchester, Which traditionally brings in more of a Pakistani crowd. Even more than Edgbaston.

But with all the packages etc Bharat army are involved in I won’t be surprised if more Indians turn up.
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
I take the statement back slightly more Indians in UK than Pakistanis.

Over 400k applicants for this game, do you think 80% were Indians?

I like many others didn't get one, before you go into auction they ask which team you follow?
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Slightly more Indians? Only?

On the basis of global population, Indians outnumber Pakistanis by 6 times so the tkt allocation isnt dispropotionate.

Secondly as someone pointed out,Indians are wealthier.
 
Pakistani fans weren't buying tickets for the matches in Dubai.... Which is supposed to be the second hub. There was even threads about this very aspect. I think saj was also disappointed over the lack of attendance.

On what earth people are expecting more and more Pakistani people to buy tickets in England?
 
cricketjoshila said:
Slightly more Indians? Only?

On the basis of global population, Indians outnumber Pakistanis by 6 times so the tkt allocation isnt dispropotionate.

Secondly as someone pointed out,Indians are wealthier.
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I dont really give a toss for global population we are talking about the population in UK.

Wealthier? i dont think a £20, £40, £60 and the £120 ticket will break banks. You dont get these matches often so close to you. This arrogance really gets to me....

Im sure many pakistani supporters like myself applied in the ballots and were refused.
 
Can confirm. 8 of my Pakistani friends applied for multiple tickets, none of them successfully. I applied for 2 only and got them both. You call that coincidence?? Think not!!

OP time to start a petition to expose the ICC
 
I applied along with a couple of friends and didn't get it. Thought it was by chance. Turns out there was a bigger hand at play.


Well done BCCICC

:salute
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
I dont really give a toss for global population we are talking about the population in UK.

Wealthier? i dont think a £20, £40, £60 and the £120 ticket will break banks. You dont get these matches often so close to you. This arrogance really gets to me....

Im sure many pakistani supporters like myself applied in the ballots and were refused.
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You are upset because YOU didn't get the ticket. Let's be honest here. Would you have cared about the attendance had you got the tickets?
 
Should have trolled ICC by putting down "India" as the team to support but showed up at the match with Pak jersey and green face paint
 
That is coz Indians attend in greater numbers. It is first come first serve I believe.
 
Itachi said:
You are upset because YOU didn't get the ticket. Let's be honest here. Would you have cared about the attendance had you got the tickets?
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No thats not the point, its not India home ground, its not pakistans, it should have been roughly same allocations for both teams and some for neutral.

India already have an advantage.
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
its not!! did you apply for tickets?

Do you know what you are talking about.......
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Let's cut the chase.

More Indians in the stadium means less indian TV viewers.

Means less revenue from the ads.

Means less earning for ICC.

How that logic sounds? :))
 
Oh dear.

First of all, this is the dailymail. Secondly, this is one of 2 most sought after games and the plat/Gold/silver tickets were at the highest price. More importantly it wasn't just Pak/Ind supporters who applied, anyone looking to profit from reselling tickets would've targeted this game.

Why does this matter? Because the dailymail basis its stat on the team supported info when entering the ballot and team selected doesn't prove the end user is from/supporting relevant country. I know many people who supported all teams in hope to increase their chances of obtaining tickets!

The only evidence that will matter is on the day.

Pinch of namak folks!
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
its not!! did you apply for tickets?

Do you know what you are talking about.......
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Yes I did a few times ace! Was told to get in line so I do know what I am on about. Are you suggesting another conspiracy against Pak?
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
I dont really give a toss for global population we are talking about the population in UK.

Wealthier? i dont think a £20, £40, £60 and the £120 ticket will break banks. You dont get these matches often so close to you. This arrogance really gets to me....

Im sure many pakistani supporters like myself applied in the ballots and were refused.
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You may not give a toss, ICC does. This is not a UK tournament. This is the world cup and allocation were done globally.

Icc must have sold tickets to tour organisers for much more than the figures you quoted.

My cousins didnot get tickets in the UK ballot. They then booked it in India via a tour manager and paid a large some for the package, even when they didnot need it.
 
PakLFC said:
Yes I did a few times ace! Was told to get in line so I do know what I am on about. Are you suggesting another conspiracy against Pak?
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how did you apply? i am not suggesting conspiracy all im saying both sets of fans should have got similar tickets allocations, now if the tournament was in india i could understand but the tournament is in England.

Can you not comprehend that?
 
To be honest I get the feeling that Pakistanis in the UK are not that bothered about cricket. The only care when the World Cup is on. But there should have been a more even split here.
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
how did you apply? i am not suggesting conspiracy all im saying both sets of fans should have got similar tickets allocations, now if the tournament was in india i could understand but the tournament is in England.

Can you not comprehend that?
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I applied online at the time. So why do you think tickets were not shared equally between Pak and Ind supporters? I think the Indian fans must be doing something e are not. If the ICC are truly biased then they would want an Indo-Pak final that would make them more money then any other final match.
 
Even on regular tours to the UK I have observed that Indian fans attend matches in greater numbers then Pak fans do. Perhaps that has something to do with it.
 
Zaz said:
How many indians are going to be coming from overseas? Lets be real the majority of the applications a year before the tournament would be from locals not from overeseas
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I know there are hundreds from California alone flying to UK to watch the world cup matches (according to Cricket Association of Northern California), imagine the number from all over US. Our group of 8 friends applied for tickets through the lottery (what a mess, ICC did a bad job). All 8 of us applied for all India matches and some semis. None of us got Ind-Pak even with auto bidding (where the price increases until the system can find the tickets).
8 of us ended up getting a total of 2 tickets for Aus, SL, SA, Bangla, Afg and one semi. Didn't get any ticket in non-alcohol area. Even the tickets we got was more than $200/ticket. I got only Ind-Afg which I sold it back. I feel Indian fans got a raw deal in ticket allocation. Had to cancel the flights and airbnb bookings.
 
Indians are not only more in number but also wealthier (India has a higher gdp per capita than Pakistan and in the diaspora too Indians outearn Pakistanis, especially in the UK)
 
geraltofrivia said:
Indians are not only more in number but also wealthier (India has a higher gdp per capita than Pakistan and in the diaspora too Indians outearn Pakistanis, especially in the UK)
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Them being wealthier doesn't mean anything in this context. The tickets aren't even that expensive
 
It should have been 50-50 in the ballots only or a first come first serve basis queue. I applied for this game and so did all my bros but no one got anything. I acknowledge pakistan dont bring as much fans than Indians at some UK grounds, but at some grounds like OLd trafford, Edgbaston, the pakistanis fill the stadiuns. With it also been a rivarly with India, I can see how soo many pakistanis would have wanted tickets, its like for me Pak vs Eng at Trentbridge doea not appeal to me but Pak vs India in manchester is a must go game. The northern towns of yorkshire and lancashire are full of pakistanis
 
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