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"We have a legacy like WI did in the 80s and Australia did in the turn of the century": Ravi Shastri

Rajdeep said:
Hey, we won our last series in Australia remember?

Agreed we fare poorly in doctored green mambas that England, South Africa and NZ serves but in Australian conditions we have upper hand. After the thrashing of last series, Aussies are scared of Indian team and consider them as their biggest rival.

This year when we tour downunder, I have little doubt we will win again. It appears to me Tim Paine already known it and hence wanted to play a D/N test to somehow stop Indian juggernaut.
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With warner and Smith you would have never won dear.
 
Xoib said:
And the new and improved labuschagne remember he only played one innings on that tour and is a completely different beast now.
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He played ashes after that, new olayer take time ti Improve, smith was walking wicket at the start.He was no body at that time.
 
As long as Ravi and Kohli are there, Indian cricket will not shine....Ravi should be immediately sacked....Kohli should retire if he has any shame
 
Xoib said:
And the new and improved labuschagne remember he only played one innings on that tour and is a completely different beast now.
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my dear boy, India under virat don't lose When they win the toss. Guarantee you india would have beaten this n.z team if they won the toss.

smith and warnee would make no difference. India also used dud openers. Our batsmen are better vs bounce. They just cant play swing my dear boy.
 
This toss excuse is laughable, the way some imbeciles are banging on about it. India were ahead in this test after the first innings but contrived to collapse in a heap cause they couldn't apply themselves on the pitch. Won't have made an iota of a difference had they batted first or last here, they would still have lost.
 
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Last Monetarist said:
This toss excuse is laughable, the way some imbeciles are banging on about it. India were ahead in this test after the first innings but contrived to collapse in a heap cause they couldn't apply themselves on the pitch. Won't have made an iota of a difference had they batted first or last here, they would still have lost.
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no my dear boy. Toss matters my dear boy. N.z had the better conditions bud. So it does make a humongous difference.

Doesn't matter if india were ahead. At the end of the day they don't have favourable conditions and they absolutely dint win the toss.

And still we are underrated when we win the toss.
 
tyron_woodley said:
no my dear boy. Toss matters my dear boy. N.z had the better conditions bud. So it does make a humongous difference.

Doesn't matter if india were ahead. At the end of the day they don't have favourable conditions and they absolutely dint win the toss.

And still we are underrated when we win the toss.
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undefeated
 
tyron_woodley said:
no my dear boy. Toss matters my dear boy. N.z had the better conditions bud. So it does make a humongous difference.

Doesn't matter if india were ahead. At the end of the day they don't have favourable conditions and they absolutely dint win the toss.

And still we are underrated when we win the toss.
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Cut out that ******** that you always write here and accept that we were defeated.
 
tyron_woodley said:
no my dear boy. Toss matters my dear boy. N.z had the better conditions bud. So it does make a humongous difference.

Doesn't matter if india were ahead. At the end of the day they don't have favourable conditions and they absolutely dint win the toss.

And still we are underrated when we win the toss.
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Are you being sarcastic?
 
How can you leave a legacy like WI or Oz if you cry and lose every time you lose a toss?
 
This India doesn't have quarter the legacy of India team 2001-2011. They only won in Australia because Smith and Warner were injured. We all saw how dangerous Bumrah was in this series, Australia is 10x stronger than NZ at home.
 
tyron_woodley said:
no my dear boy. Toss matters my dear boy. N.z had the better conditions bud. So it does make a humongous difference.

Doesn't matter if india were ahead. At the end of the day they don't have favourable conditions and they absolutely dint win the toss.

And still we are underrated when we win the toss.
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So WI and Aussies legacies were based upon the flip of the coin?
 
This is a good Ind side, but anyone that tells that they are anything better is delusional. And unless Bumrah gets his zip back in Aus, they will get beat next winter.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
This India doesn't have quarter the legacy of India team 2001-2011. They only won in Australia because Smith and Warner were injured. We all saw how dangerous Bumrah was in this series, Australia is 10x stronger than NZ at home.
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And india is even stronger at home. You lose the toss then you will get smacked around by this indian team. This is what's been happening. It transpired vs Aussies last time. Will happen again if they win the toss.
 
Titan24 said:
So WI and Aussies legacies were based upon the flip of the coin?
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no. I don't count Aussie's legacy in 2000 era. It's very dubious to me. West Indies is by far the GAoT team. No one will come close. Toss dint make a difference for them and they won at home and away.

India are around Smith's saffers and india of 2005-2011 level.

People are discrediting n.z for some reason. They are powerful at home conditions. They have won 11 series and only lost 2. They would beat many ATG level teams at home. Even great teams in 2000 got skirted our for under 120 in n.z
 
andy0204 said:
Cut out that ******** that you always write here and accept that we were defeated.
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I did. we were defeated but we also missed ishant lol and bhuvi who would have been ideal for swing conditions. So technically not even full strength indian side.

Excuses are not excuses but if you want to talk about how auatralia missed such and such players then I can say the same about india lol. Why the double standards. Just saying in general.
 
tyron_woodley said:
I did. we were defeated but we also missed ishant lol and bhuvi who would have been ideal for swing conditions. So technically not even full strength indian side.

Excuses are not excuses but if you want to talk about how auatralia missed such and such players then I can say the same about india lol. Why the double standards. Just saying in general.
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Man you are acting like a nationalist,So I will not waste my time.
 
andy0204 said:
Man you are acting like a nationalist,So I will not waste my time.
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beat india when they lose the toss away from home. That's all I am saying.i hope india wins all tosses vs England next time they tour. You will see what happens. if they win 5 0 then you will realize why it's so important.
 
tyron_woodley said:
no. I don't count Aussie's legacy in 2000 era. It's very dubious to me. West Indies is by far the GAoT team. No one will come close. Toss dint make a difference for them and they won at home and away.

India are around Smith's saffers and india of 2005-2011 level.
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That's a joke mate. Smith's team won 22 away test matches and lost 12 and few of the away wins were landmark series victories like the one against Pakistan in Pakistan. Kohli's India has lost 12 test matches in last 2 years, and won what 4 or 5 matches? And you calling them equal!
 
happydavy said:
That's a joke mate. Smith's team won 22 away test matches and lost 12 and few of the away wins were landmark series victories like the one against Pakistan in Pakistan. Kohli's India has lost 12 test matches in last 2 years, and won what 4 or 5 matches? And you calling them equal!
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winning away and then drawing or losing at home makes no difference. Smith's team drew alot. India under kohli either win or lose. They go for the kill.

Smith's saffers were criticized for playing to draw.

what's the point of beating aussie away 2 - 1 when you lose at home by the same margin to that same team? Same as India winning at home convincingly and then competing away in a close serie.s
 
Smith's Saffers are the third great side after WI and Australia.

Indian team of 00s and Pak team of 80s are about equivalent with the current Indian team only slightly behind.
 
tyron_woodley said:
my dear boy, India under virat don't lose When they win the toss. Guarantee you india would have beaten this n.z team if they won the toss.

smith and warnee would make no difference. India also used dud openers. Our batsmen are better vs bounce. They just cant play swing my dear boy.
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How can we believe you when you yourself said during the 2nd test That toss doesn't mattered in this test?


As always your love for non factual things.
 
A good solid team. The number 1 team at the moment. But they aren't an ATG team.

Time to rebuild. I think some of these Indian players need to be replaced. They have failed overseas consistently. It's time to replace some of them and start a new cycle.
 
Mobashir said:
How can we believe you when you yourself said during the 2nd test That toss doesn't mattered in this test?


As always your love for non factual things.
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but the wickets started flattening out towards the end of the third day when n.z batted?
 
Ab Fan said:
Smith's Saffers are the third great side after WI and Australia.

Indian team of 00s and Pak team of 80s are about equivalent with the current Indian team only slightly behind.
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nah Smith's saffers are great but they had too many draws at home and away. if india under virat lose at home then yes Smith's saffers would be ahead. Virat's india still have a chance to overtake them easily. Need 2 good performances in England and hopefully australia again.
 
tyron_woodley said:
but the wickets started flattening out towards the end of the third day when n.z batted?
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Are you sight challenged by any chance, the pitch actually got faster and in some ways more difficult to bat as the game progressed? Also, who stopped India from scoring 300+ runs in the second innings, pitch was beginning to settle down in your own words?

You are going around in circles, first they lost the toss and hence at a disadvantage but then they gained the upper hand with a small lead and squandered it in the 2nd innings. Yet, you are now crying about the 4th innings, what do you want, some sort of control to decide how India wins the toss yet only gets to bat when the pitch starts getting better?

For the record all commentators/experts agreed that the pitch was no where near settling down even on the 3rd day and actually the pace and bounce got faster/better...stop acting like a little kid, accept your team got owned big time in two tests within 7 days (pretty much) and just move on!
 
Monsee said:
Are you sight challenged by any chance, the pitch actually got faster and in some ways more difficult to bat as the game progressed? Also, who stopped India from scoring 300+ runs in the second innings, pitch was beginning to settle down in your own words?

You are going around in circles, first they lost the toss and hence at a disadvantage but then they gained the upper hand with a small lead and squandered it in the 2nd innings. Yet, you are now crying about the 4th innings, what do you want, some sort of control to decide how India wins the toss yet only gets to bat when the pitch starts getting better?

For the record all commentators/experts agreed that the pitch was no where near settling down even on the 3rd day and actually the pace and bounce got faster/better...stop acting like a little kid, accept your team got owned big time in two tests within 7 days (pretty much) and just move on!
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no it dint get faster in the second innings.
N.z had the advantage. The green specks were disappearing from the pitch. It was clearly flattening out. N.z is a weird place.

India also a man down. missed ishant and bhuvi. People always trumpet about how other teams missed players. We did too.
 
tyron_woodley said:
no it dint get faster in the second innings.


You must have watched a different game as every commentator/expert was saying that!





N.z had the advantage. The green specks were disappearing from the pitch. It was clearly flattening out. N.z is a weird place.


So, then what was India's excuse for getting shot down for 124???




India also a man down. missed ishant and bhuvi. People always trumpet about how other teams missed players. We did too.
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BK has not played for India in a long time in a full test series or even a test, due to his injury prone frame I thought the new direction was to include Yadav/Ishant as the third fast bowler. plus one spinner for India in the last 2-3 years now. So, how did India miss someone who was not even in contention for this series?
 
This was a humiliation, as a certain poster likes to say. An Asian GOAT team getting destroyed by a New Zealand that was whitewashed by Australia weeks ago
 
Monsee said:
BK has not played for India in a long time in a full test series or even a test, due to his injury prone frame I thought the new direction was to include Yadav/Ishant as the third fast bowler. plus one spinner for India in the last 2-3 years now. So, how did India miss someone who was not even in contention for this series?
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ishant dint play the second test and he would have wreaked havoc there. Batting did cost us though. bhuvi can bat deep.

bhuvi played in 2018 vs south africa and was always the preferred 4th bowler or 3rd depending on conditions. In swing conditions /seam bhuvi is always first choice.

may have still lost regardless but it would have been a lot closer.
 
To be quite frank I can name everyone from that Aussie side, from this Indian side I'll only watch for Kohli.
 
tyron_woodley said:
nah Smith's saffers are great but they had too many draws at home and away. if india under virat lose at home then yes Smith's saffers would be ahead. Virat's india still have a chance to overtake them easily. Need 2 good performances in England and hopefully australia again.
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Not really.Smith's Saffers has a phenomenal record away from home. Just like for SC teams it's harder to beat SENA away, for SA, it is harder to beat India and Pakistan in Asia. They have beaten a good Pakistan side in Pakistan and drew in 2010 tour to Pakistan. They also drew to India in 2008 and 2010. In contrast, at home they always defeated Pakistan and won against India in 2006 and drew against them in 2011.

They also didn't lose any series Vs India, England and Pakistan home or away and went on to beat England twice away and Pakistan and India at home as well.

That team had Kallis, Steyn, Smith, AB, Amla, Morkel and Philander later on to make it a great great team.

Current Indian team only has Kohli and to extent Pujara and in bowling Bumrah and Shami and Ashwin. They are inferior to the 2000s Indian team which had Tendulkar, Dravid, Sehwag, Laxman, Kumble and to lesser extent Zaheer Khan.
 
Ab Fan said:
Not really.Smith's Saffers has a phenomenal record away from home. Just like for SC teams it's harder to beat SENA away, for SA, it is harder to beat India and Pakistan in Asia. They have beaten a good Pakistan side in Pakistan and drew in 2010 tour to Pakistan. They also drew to India in 2008 and 2010. In contrast, at home they always defeated Pakistan and won against India in 2006 and drew against them in 2011.

They also didn't lose any series Vs India, England and Pakistan home or away and went on to beat England twice away and Pakistan and India at home as well.

That team had Kallis, Steyn, Smith, AB, Amla, Morkel and Philander later on to make it a great great team.

Current Indian team only has Kohli and to extent Pujara and in bowling Bumrah and Shami and Ashwin. They are inferior to the 2000s Indian team which had Tendulkar, Dravid, Sehwag, Laxman, Kumble and to lesser extent Zaheer Khan.
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doesn't work like that man. saffers lost at home I believe twice to Aussies and won away. It evens out. Makes no difference if you lose at home and win away. Amount of wins matter more.

In terms of win percentage Virat's india is ahead. Like I said 2 good performances vs England and australia by being well prepared would seal it.

They may be a great team but I doubt they can stop india in India. They will fail just like everyone else. H2h might favour as India with their bowling attack are capable of hurting them on seaming bouncy pitches. It's actually very close.

I would say 2016 australia was stronger than prime Smith's saffers and india beat them whilst putting up a good fight in 2014 away as well.

All will be decided when india tour again this year. They draw or win in australia in 2020 then Virat's india is definitely ahead of Smith's saffers.

and you can't compare them winning or drawing away in Pakistan when they only play a 2 test series. It's easier to get a good result in a 2 test series.
 
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tyron_woodley said:
doesn't work like that man. saffers lost at home I believe twice to Aussies and won away. It evens out. Makes no difference if you lose at home and win away. Amount of wins matter more.

In terms of win percentage Virat's india is ahead. Like I said 2 good performances vs England and australia by being well prepared would seal it.

They may be a great team but I doubt they can stop india in India. They will fail just like everyone else. H2h might favour as India with their bowling attack are capable of hurting them on seaming bouncy pitches. It's actually very close.

I would say 2016 australia was stronger than prime Smith's saffers and india beat them whilst putting up a good fight in 2014 away as well.

All will be decided when india tour again this year. They draw or win in australia in 2020 then Virat's india is definitely ahead of Smith's saffers.

and you can't compare them winning or drawing away in Pakistan when they only play a 2 test series. It's easier to get a good result in a 2 test series.
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When Virat's India deserves to be rated as good as Smith's Saffers they will get their due. Right now, they are behind India's team of 2000s who were themselves behind that great Saffers.

Btw, Saffers won Vs Australia in 2008 and 2012 away and drew at home in 2011. They also defeated England away in 2008 and 2012(against a very strong England side) and drew at home Vs them in 2009.
 
Ab Fan said:
When Virat's India deserves to be rated as good as Smith's Saffers they will get their due. Right now, they are behind India's team of 2000s who were themselves behind that great Saffers.

Btw, Saffers won Vs Australia in 2008 and 2012 away and drew at home in 2011. They also defeated England away in 2008 and 2012(against a very strong England side) and drew at home Vs them in 2009.
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But they did lose at home to Australia and to England in 2005-06.
 
Ab Fan said:
Not really.Smith's Saffers has a phenomenal record away from home. Just like for SC teams it's harder to beat SENA away, for SA, it is harder to beat India and Pakistan in Asia. They have beaten a good Pakistan side in Pakistan and drew in 2010 tour to Pakistan. They also drew to India in 2008 and 2010. In contrast, at home they always defeated Pakistan and won against India in 2006 and drew against them in 2011.

They also didn't lose any series Vs India, England and Pakistan home or away and went on to beat England twice away and Pakistan and India at home as well.

That team had Kallis, Steyn, Smith, AB, Amla, Morkel and Philander later on to make it a great great team.

Current Indian team only has Kohli and to extent Pujara and in bowling Bumrah and Shami and Ashwin. They are inferior to the 2000s Indian team which had Tendulkar, Dravid, Sehwag, Laxman, Kumble and to lesser extent Zaheer Khan.
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Zaheer is underrated imo and Ashish was also good if it wasn't for injuries
 
tyron_woodley said:
But they did lose at home to Australia and to England in 2005-06.
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That was an ATG Australian team even though it was slightly on the decline.

England was emerging as a powerhouse in 2004 when they beat the Saffers and that gave them the confidence to take on Australia in 2005.

Two very strong teams with fantastic fast-bowling attacks and attacking openers.
 
India's best team was between 2006-2011 till World Cup.

They lost in Sri Lanka 2008 but that side was very strong with Muralitharan and Mendis also at its peak.

Their loss in Australia 2007 was a robbery by the umpires giving almost 7-8 false decision in Sydney test. Irrespective of results, we did came from that tour being proud of our performance, particularly, Perth test win.

Apart from this, India beat England, Windies and New Zealand away from home and also drew against South Africa away. They also drew away in SL in 2010.

At home, India defeated everyone from SWENA to Pakistan and Sri Lanka except South Africa who drew in India in 2008 and 2010.

So, no losses at home and drawn series at home vs SA only and away test series wins in N.E.W and draw in SA and a robbery in Aus.
 
You think those Aus and WI teams would have lost the match after taking lead in the first innings like India did? :inti
 
Apnay mian mitthu becharay.
India is a good team but far from great. They have one great bat and some good bats. Their seam bowling for the first time has got some bite which has resulted this false sense of greatness. That raises a question - Either their batsmen are not good enough to challenge opposing team bowling in favorable conditions or their bowlers not good enough to extract assistance.

Did we not hear from their fans that opposing teams, who usually have green wickets, would have a tough task at their hands when preparing such tracks for Ind supposedly having these shooper Dooper seam/swing bowlers. How do you explain the losses by 10 or nearly 10 wickets back to back. Not to forget Previous Eng tour with full of big losses.

Badhkian marnay kay champion zaroor hain.
 
This so called "legacy" done and dusted in 3 days. Can't believe he compared them to the 80s Windies haha.
 
Ab Fan said:
India's best team was between 2006-2011 till World Cup.

They lost in Sri Lanka 2008 but that side was very strong with Muralitharan and Mendis also at its peak.

Their loss in Australia 2007 was a robbery by the umpires giving almost 7-8 false decision in Sydney test. Irrespective of results, we did came from that tour being proud of our performance, particularly, Perth test win.

Apart from this, India beat England, Windies and New Zealand away from home and also drew against South Africa away. They also drew away in SL in 2010.

At home, India defeated everyone from SWENA to Pakistan and Sri Lanka except South Africa who drew in India in 2008 and 2010.

So, no losses at home and drawn series at home vs SA only and away test series wins in N.E.W and draw in SA and a robbery in Aus.
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Virat's india loses to south africa for example 2-1 away. then go on to win 3 0 at home.

total wins is 4 to 2.

india drew away and at home in the 2007-2011 period.

1-1 at home and away.

Virat's india has more wins hence they are greater. Just an example. That's why I put them above imran's overrated pakistan.

They absolutely annihilate teams at home and compete well enough away.


just say india in 2007 beat England 1 0 away over a 5 match series. great achievement. sure. They then draw at home 1 1 at home in a 5 match series. so overall wins 2 to 1.

india under virat say demolish England 5 0 at home which is a very real possibility. 4 0 in 2016.

They lose 4 -1 away to England.

That's 6 wins to 4. Virat's india again have the upper hand. They play for the kill. Go for the win at any cost. That's why I respect virat.
 
1980s - West Indies W/L ratio = 5.3 (Invincible)

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2000s - Australia W/L ratio = 4.4 (Legacy/domination)

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2010s - India W/L ratio = 1.7 (:jk)

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tyron_woodley said:
Virat's india loses to south africa for example 2-1 away. then go on to win 3 0 at home.

total wins is 4 to 2.

india drew away and at home in the 2007-2011 period.

1-1 at home and away.

Virat's india has more wins hence they are greater. Just an example. That's why I put them above imran's overrated pakistan.

They absolutely annihilate teams at home and compete well enough away.


just say india in 2007 beat England 1 0 away over a 5 match series. great achievement. sure. They then draw at home 1 1 at home in a 5 match series. so overall wins 2 to 1.

india under virat say demolish England 5 0 at home which is a very real possibility. 4 0 in 2016.

They lose 4 -1 away to England.

That's 6 wins to 4. Virat's india again have the upper hand. They play for the kill. Go for the win at any cost. That's why I respect virat.
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What you are missing here is winning away from home in alien conditions is different to winning against same teams at home. You are merging both giving equal values to both. You can't give equal weightage to them.
 
Team India having a legacy like WI of 80s and Aus of late 90s/2000s ? It sounds a bit like Hafeez having a legacy as a match winning batsman like Viv in 80s and Lara in 90s..
 
Ab Fan said:
What you are missing here is winning away from home in alien conditions is different to winning against same teams at home. You are merging both giving equal values to both. You can't give equal weightage to them.
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makes no difference if you don't win enough games.

2 - 2 overall result based on home and away series isn't better than a 6 - 4 win. Home, away triumphs shouldn't matter. Yes if the number of wins between the teams who are being compared are equal then more weightage should be given to away wins. Sure.

That's why australia of 2000 despite being cheaters and west indies are ahead.

Smith's saffers is questionable. Too many draws.
 
tyron_woodley said:
makes no difference if you don't win enough games.

2 - 2 overall result based on home and away series isn't better than a 6 - 4 win. Home, away triumphs shouldn't matter. Yes if the number of wins between the teams who are being compared are equal then more weightage should be given to away wins. Sure.

That's why australia of 2000 despite being cheaters and west indies are ahead.

Smith's saffers is questionable. Too many draws.
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They won many series, if they had bullied teams at home they would have been close to Windies and Australians. Between 2007-2014, they only lost one series vs Australia in 2009. The achievements include

1)Two series wins in Australia
2) Two series wins in England
3) Two series levelled in India
4) One series won in Pak and one levelled in UAE

Levelling a test series in alien conditions is a good achievement as well otherwise India won't have remembered their series levelling performance in Australia 2003 for so much.

In contrast,Indian team of 2006-2011 team achievement includes

1) A series win in England
2) A series win in New Zealand
3) A series levelled in South Africa

Indian team of 2015 onwards achievement includes

1) A series win in Australia
 
Ab Fan said:
They won many series, if they had bullied teams at home they would have been close to Windies and Australians. Between 2007-2014, they only lost one series vs Australia in 2009. The achievements include

1)Two series wins in Australia
2) Two series wins in England
3) Two series levelled in India
4) One series won in Pak and one levelled in UAE

Levelling a test series in alien conditions is a good achievement as well otherwise India won't have remembered their series levelling performance in Australia 2003 for so much.

In contrast,Indian team of 2006-2011 team achievement includes

1) A series win in England
2) A series win in New Zealand
3) A series levelled in South Africa

Indian team of 2015 onwards achievement includes

1) A series win in Australia
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They couldn't dominate at home like Virat's india though.

So, Virat's india are an England series plus a draw or win in australia away from pipping the saffers?
Issue I have with Smith's saffers is the number of draws. Virat's india have massacred teams at home. As no one else is able to replicate that feat, it should be commended I feel.

Like i said before, I would take the 6 4 victory overall in a best of 5 series home and away over a 2 - 2 or even a 2 - 1 despite the away triumph.

Each to their own. I have no problem with Smith's saffers being above virat but I think it's definitely questionable.

I do not think Smith's saffers would beat Virat's india away. Infact they will get pummeled. I actually think in s.africa it would be competitive given this team is quite good on bouncy tracks.
 
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tyron_woodley said:
They couldn't dominate at home like Virat's india though.

So, Virat's india are an England series plus a draw or win in australia away from pipping the saffers?
Issue I have with Smith's saffers is the number of draws. Virat's india have massacred teams at home. As no one else is able to replicate that feat, it should be commended I feel.

Like i said before, I would take the 6 4 victory overall in a best of 5 series home and away over a 2 - 2 or even a 2 - 1 despite the away triumph.

Each to their own. I have no problem with Smith's saffers being above virat but I think it's definitely questionable.

I do not think Smith's saffers would beat Virat's india away. Infact they will get pummeled. I actually think in s.africa it would be competitive given this team is quite good on bouncy tracks.
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You say so many things but end results are always different. Virat's India couldn't beat a weak SA team in 2018 and you think it would have been competitive back in 2011 when SA had a superior version of Amla compared to the Amla we saw in '18, Jacques Kallis and Graeme Smith?? Only AB in '18 was a better version of him than he was in '11, yet he smashed some 60 ball 100 vs India in that tour.

Virat's India lost a test to Smith's Australia at home, they would have lost a test or two to Saffers Smith too and in South Africa would have lost the series anyways with their fans accusing of toss.

My problem with Virat's achievement is that while even a 6th ranked team, Pakistan have levelled series in England, England won a series in Sri Lanka and also won against a good SA team in '2016, NZ have won in UAE and drew in England, India's away record is as absymal as these teams.

So, the only reason of moaning as no.1 team is that we have win plenty of home matches compared to them but away from home, India are as bad as rest of the team. This does make India a no.1 team but doesn't make them a great team. As long as you don't become a better touring team than others from your era, you can't be considered a great team which Saffers from 2007-14 was, India was to an extent between 2006-11 but Kohli's team isn't.
 
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Ab Fan said:
You say so many things but end results are always different. Virat's India couldn't beat a weak SA team in 2018 and you think it would have been competitive back in 2011 when SA had a superior version of Amla compared to the Amla we saw in '18, Jacques Kallis and Graeme Smith?? Only AB in '18 was a better version of him than he was in '11, yet he smashed some 60 ball 100 vs India in that tour.

Virat's India lost a test to Smith's Australia at home, they would have lost a test or two to Saffers Smith too and in South Africa would have lost the series anyways with their fans accusing of toss.

My problem with Virat's achievement is that while even a 6th ranked team, Pakistan have levelled series in England, England won a series in Sri Lanka and also won against a good SA team in '2016, NZ have won in UAE and drew in England, India's away record is as absymal as these teams.

So, the only reason of moaning as no.1 team is that we have win plenty of home matches compared to them but away from home, India are as bad as rest of the team. This does make India a no.1 team but doesn't make them a great team. As long as you don't become a better touring team than others from your era, you can't be considered a great team which Saffers from 2007-14 was, India was to an extent between 2006-11 but Kohli's team isn't.
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I don't believe Smith's saffers stand a chance to beat Virat's india at home. They may win a test but so can india away from home. It would be competitive.

saffers lost to a weaker australia as well in their peak at home. Virat's india never lost at home. Australia's 2016 team was real strong and they won 3 tosses. Even with all the best preparation rhey could possibly have they still lost. India never prepared for an away series in that manner.

It would be a 2 0 or 3 - 1 win for india comfortably vs Smith's saffers at home. Vice versa away with india probably pulling one back like they always do in south africa. India have the bowlers to compete with them. Bhuvi missed the swing friendly tours in England and n.z. Would have made a huge difference. If india picks the best team they are more than capable of winning away. Virat is a dumb selector who keeps inhibiting this team's potential to be the greatest team.
 
2018 south africa team was far from weak. They were might strong. kalis and de villiers peaks never coincided.

They just beat australia 3 - 1 a year before they beat india. That aussie team had smith plus warner and managed to cheat and lose.

They would be competitive vs Smith's saffers anywhere.
 
tyron_woodley said:
I don't believe Smith's saffers stand a chance to beat Virat's india at home. They may win a test but so can india away from home. It would be competitive.

saffers lost to a weaker australia as well in their peak at home. Virat's india never lost at home. Australia's 2016 team was real strong and they won 3 tosses. Even with all the best preparation rhey could possibly have they still lost. India never prepared for an away series in that manner.

It would be a 2 0 or 3 - 1 win for india comfortably vs Smith's saffers at home. Vice versa away with india probably pulling one back like they always do in south africa. India have the bowlers to compete with them. Bhuvi missed the swing friendly tours in England and n.z. Would have made a huge difference. If india picks the best team they are more than capable of winning away. Virat is a dumb selector who keeps inhibiting this team's potential to be the greatest team.
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If India has to win in England and NZ, they will have to play more county games. We are atrocious in swing conditions. In South Africa, we dropped a great chance of winning the series due to some poor selections and poor captaincy.

Bumrah and Shami are again more likely to do well in South African like conditions than in England and NZ.
 
Don't remember West Indies in the 80s or Australia in the 00s being bowled out for 36.
 
Rajdeep said:
Hey, we won our last series in Australia remember?

Agreed we fare poorly in doctored green mambas that England, South Africa and NZ serves but in Australian conditions we have upper hand. After the thrashing of last series, Aussies are scared of Indian team and consider them as their biggest rival.

This year when we tour downunder, I have little doubt we will win again. It appears to me Tim Paine already known it and hence wanted to play a D/N test to somehow stop Indian juggernaut.
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We have a winner
 
Lol delusional Shastri and Indian fanatics who actually thought they would be winning
 
Shastri is a heavily paid cheerleader who speaks non sense most of the time. Kohli removed Kumble for this incompetent yes man
 
Mamoon said:
Imran’s Pakistan lost a Test (and subsequently drew the series) in Sri Lanka in 1986 when they were minnows, which was the highlight for Sri Lanka in the 1980’s.

That is a lower low than anything Kohli’s team has achieved, and a far bigger embarrassment than any of their away series failures.

Holding West Indies to draws was a big achievement, but it was canceled out by losing to a minnow like Sri Lanka.

Kohli’s India have clearly achieved more than Imran’s Pakistan, as has Kohli as a Test captain compared to Imran.
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I think we found a lower low now.
 
Markhor said:
I think we found a lower low now.
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I would take a score of 36 against the number 1 ranked team in the world over losing a Test to the lowest ranked team of your era that only won 2 Tests in the entire decade.
 
Shastri will say anything with a tub of Old Monk delivered to him.

Don't take him seriously.
 
Mamoon said:
I would take a score of 36 against the number 1 ranked team in the world over losing a Test to the lowest ranked team of your era that only won 2 Tests in the entire decade.
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If you read up on that 1986 series, SL were dying for revenge after the 85 tour of Pakistan where they got hammered and appointed partisan umpires.

It took Zia-ul-Haq's intervention to stop the tour being cancelled. So context helps before leaping to opinions.
 
Markhor said:
If you read up on that 1986 series, SL were dying for revenge after the 85 tour of Pakistan where they got hammered and appointed partisan umpires.

It took Zia-ul-Haq's intervention to stop the tour being cancelled. So context helps before leaping to opinions.
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It doesn’t matter. Everyone benefited from biased home umpiring in that era. It doesn’t give an excuse to the GOAT Asian Test team and the GOAT Asian captain to become one of the two sides to lose a Test to Sri Lanka in the 80s.
 
:)))

I'll have what this drunkard is having the day he's sacked.

But sadly that day is far far away. As long as Kohli is captain, this guy will remain the coach.
 
Mamoon said:
It doesn’t matter. Everyone benefited from biased home umpiring in that era. It doesn’t give an excuse to the GOAT Asian Test team and the GOAT Asian captain to become one of the two sides to lose a Test to Sri Lanka in the 80s.
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Kholi may have taken over Imran as captain according to you but as a player Imran is miles ahead.
 
Mesozoic said:
:)))

I'll have what this drunkard is having the day he's sacked.

But sadly that day is far far away. As long as Kohli is captain, this guy will remain the coach.
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You can still have what he's drinking. He doesn't need to be sacked for that.

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Mamoon said:
It doesn’t matter. Everyone benefited from biased home umpiring in that era. It doesn’t give an excuse to the GOAT Asian Test team and the GOAT Asian captain to become one of the two sides to lose a Test to Sri Lanka in the 80s.
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You were born in the 90s.

Yet another opinion based on highlights of your team on the back of zero context.
 
Mesozoic said:
:)))

I'll have what this drunkard is having the day he's sacked.

But sadly that day is far far away. As long as Kohli is captain, this guy will remain the coach.
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Drunkard should be sacked with immediate effect :inti
 
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