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I swear KFC or Burger King introduced a Chicken Legacy Burger....maybe that’s what Shastri is referring too?
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Put your heart in your hand and tell me that you wouldn't have had a go against Pakistan if they had been bowled out for 36 against Australia?
India plays poorly - mamoon says “ah it was the mighty Aussies”
Pakistan plays poorly - mamoon says “we are a shame to humanity and deserve this”
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Hahahahaha
)... must be what Shastri was talking about... although he is probably a vegetarian so I'm not sure .
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India performed better in the last series because Australia didnt have Warner/Smith and players were out due to injury. This is a nice wake up call for the overrated rockstars and it will takeaway their horribly arrogant attitude. A lesson In humility for Kohli and his prima Donna's
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I think it’s clear Kumble was a better coach, there needs to be someone that isnt 100% agreeinwith Kohli.
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Mamoon’s post after Pakistan lost to Australia in the first test last year.
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It doesn’t matter when I was born. 90’s, 80’s, 60’s or the 17th century. The fact is that Imran’s Pakistan were one of the two teams to lose a Test match to Sri Lanka, the weakest team of the 1980s by a huge margin.
Just like it is a fact that Kohli is the most successful Asian Test captain ever (33 wins) and also happens to have been the captain when India lowest total ever (today).
“Context” is always subjective and applied conveniently to push a particular point of view. Pakistani fans do not want to acknowledge the fact that Imran’s Pakistan became one of the two teams to lose to Sri Lanka in the 80s so they use “context” to justify or defend that fact just like they use “context” to dismiss Kohli’s record breaking 33 Test wins.
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India performed better in the last series because Australia didnt have Warner/Smith and players were out due to injury. This is a nice wake up call for the overrated rockstars and it will takeaway their horribly arrogant attitude. A lesson In humility for Kohli and his prima Donna's
I said the same at that time but no one was listening. Warner didn't even play in this match also.
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Mamoon’s post after Pakistan lost to Australia in the first test last year.
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Yeah so? Are you putting Pakistan and India on an equal footing?
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I am talking about how biased you are. If India plays poorly it was because of the Aussie might.
If Pakistan does bad, they dont deserve place on planet earth.
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Of course I would. Do you want me to treat both teams equally when one team is far ahead of the other?
Pakistan is that student that always gets Cs and Ds in every exam.
India is that student who regularly gets As and ** but one day happened to fail an exam.
Who do you think deserves more criticism? Pakistan or India?
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Yes because India is a really good team but Pakistan isn’t.
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It is stupidity to compare an all-rounder with a batsman or a bowler. If we do that than every great all-rounder will be miles ahead as a player compared to a specialist batsman or bowler.
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Do you realise that pakistan has won 7 tests in Sena compared to India's 5, even SRL has won 6.
Out of the last 35 or so tests the asian sides have played in Sena according to cricviz.
Explain that stat.
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That stat doesn’t mean anything. Cricket is not played in SENA only. How many days have India spent as number 1 in the previous decade and how many days have Pakistan spent as number 1?
Moreover, what has been the average ranking of India in the decade and what has been the average ranking of Pakistan?
The consistency of a Test team is reflected in rankings because every team regularly plays its first-choice players in Test cricket.
Moreover, this useless stat doesn’t show that Pakistan has lost every single match in Australia since 1999.
No team is as bad in any country as Pakistan is in Australia. No wonder we have been relegated to two Tests and Ian Chappell said we shouldn’t tour Australia unless we improve. He was right.
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Legacy starring Ranvir Singh as Virat Kohli
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India is a grade better than the current Pakistan team and there is nobody doubting that. But it laughable that you are giving India A’s all along. Have you checked India’s overseas record in the last decade?
And you dont have sympathy whatsoever for Pakistan who didnt play an international match at home for a very very long time. You dont appreciate that it also contributed to the downfall. Pakistan fans already know how bad our team is, but the problem is that in every thread that relates to India’s performance you talk about Pakistan and Pakistan’s flukes throughout the 90s decade.
You need to focus on each thread fairly. If you dont have the guts to criticise India then why even bother commenting on such threads.
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In the most recent decade where Pakistan were playing at home and with a more than decent batting line-up - the 2000s - they still lost to England, India, South Africa and Sri Lanka, the latter multiple times.
The UAE was far friendlier to Pakistan in comparison, especially under Misbah. It was only in the latter part of the decade when they started shelling tests to West Indies and series to New Zealand.
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Bollywood is plagiarism. You have to be alert in this business
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Not this UAE excuse again.
Playing in UAE has actually benefited Pakistan in Test cricket because the UAE pitches offers far less assistance to fast bowlers than Pakistani pitches.
Pakistan’s home record in the late 90s and 2000s was poor, and it wasn’t surprising that as soon as we moved to UAE, we started beating the big overseas teams more frequently.
Now that cricket appears to be returning to Pakistan on a permanent basis, you will find that teams like Australia, England and New Zealand would enjoy playing in Pakistani conditions more than UAE.
There is a very good chance that one or two of these teams will now win a series in Pakistan in this decade considering how poor of a side we are overall.
If India adopts UAE as their home venue, they will be even more dominant in Test cricket than they are in India.
India’s record overseas is not great. If it was great in addition to their existing home dominance, they would be ranked alongside the great Australia and West Indies, but that is not the case.
This is the best Asian team ever but they are obviously not close to the Australia of 2000s and West Indies of 70s and 80s.
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On the contrary its a pretty telling stat.
Tells you all you need to know about India's performance overseas, which i repeat is worse than pakistan and srilanka.
Pakistans record in australia or indias record in nz is part of the stat and has been discussed to death.
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Best Asian team ever? The best ever has Kohli, Bumrah and to some extent Ashwin worth mentioning.
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A few of our friends suffering from PTSD.
It will pass but for the moment know this, India side as it stands today is pretty meek and useless outside their home.
It will pass but for the moment know this, India side as it stands today is pretty meek and useless outside their home.
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If you take out Kohli, they will start losing at home too. The best Asian team ever has two match winners in Kohli and Bumrah.
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Pujara is a brilliant Test batsman. One of the very best in his mould. If it wasn’t for Dravid or Gavaskar, he would walk into an all-time XI as a rock at number 3 or as an opener.
Ashwin is one of the best off-spinners of the last 30 odd years.
Jadeja is also one of the best SLA of the last 30 odd years.
This team has five brilliant cricketers with 3-4 very good players.
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It will be interesting to see how India react after this. This capitulation has the potential to demoralise the team for the rest of the series.
But they're still an excellent side and could bounce back strongly. We have to remember that India were actually on top until those devastating few minutes.
But they're still an excellent side and could bounce back strongly. We have to remember that India were actually on top until those devastating few minutes.
Pakistan's W/L ratio at home is 3.0 since 2001, which is the 3rd best in that period. So its laughable to say they have been a poor team in Pakistan.
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...2001;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team
In UAE. Pakistan's W/L ratio is only 1.7 since 2001.
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...anval1=span;team=7;template=results;type=team
So there goes the myth that UAE is friendlier to Pakistan than Pakistan itself.
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Just remember this number: 36.
You can have the best batsman in stats etc but when you cannot produce 36 as a team then there is a problem.
Either you dont put a premium on your wicket or you dont have the skills.
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What are you going to claim next? How life was was when your country India was partition in 1947 and you experienced the hardship and torment? Or how you lived in the UK during WW2 and the blitz?
Context is everything. C19 would have zero context if you as a - cough cough - doctor were not handing out face masks.
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The legacy of this Indian team will be defined by their long reign as number 1 ranked team and Kohli’s captaincy legacy will be defined by his 33+ wins, the most by an Asian captain.
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As I said, context is applied subjectively. A lot of people think COVID is a hoax or is overblown, and they come up with their own justifications. However, that doesn’t change the fact that COVID is real.
Similarly, Pakistani can can brush the defeat in Sri Lanka in 85 under the carpet and come with all the excuses and justifications, but it will not change the fact that only 2 teams lost to Sri Lanka in the entire decade and Pakistan was one of them.
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And the same Sri Lankan side was drawing tests in Australia and other top countries. And I think beat india too. So it certainly wasn’t some ‘chalti phirti’ team equivalent to a 2000s Bangladesh. Anyways carry on with the whataboutism
Maybe I am wrong, seems like he is on mission that Pakistan fan stop good hope or dreaming for Pakistan team. As you know if someone want to destroy any nation or any team or any person. First thing he will do, will create situation where someone stop dreaming or lose hope.
Sri Lanka beat India in 1985 who were not only the World Cup holders but had won the World Championship of Cricket in Australia.
It wasn't an understrength side either. Both Gavaskar and Kapil played, so I don't know know where Mamoon is going with that comparison. That 80s SL team was weakest of that era but still a mile ahead of Bangladesh in 90s/00s or Zimbabwe of 00s/10s.
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That Sri Lankan team drew a series in India in 1982-83 and beat them in home series in 1985. Also drew tests in Pakistan and Australia. So wasn't a weak team at all.
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I think Sri Lanka of 80's was more like Zimbabwe of the 90's. Decent in ODI's and more than capable of upsetting big teams in tests.
I wasn't around to watch the WI in the 80's, but Auz in the 00's put the fear of life in the opponent.
You knew you had very little chance of competing, let alone winning against a full strength Aus in the early 2000's.
India doesn't even come close. They're a good team, but Australia and WI are in a category of their own. No one is fearful of playing India
You knew you had very little chance of competing, let alone winning against a full strength Aus in the early 2000's.
India doesn't even come close. They're a good team, but Australia and WI are in a category of their own. No one is fearful of playing India
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I think 36 all out is pretty humiliating for India. It is humiliating because India is a top class team.
If Pakistan, WI, SL got out for 36 against Australia at adelaide, it would've been less humiliating because you know these teams have hardly any quality about them.
Think like this. Rafa Nadal bageling Roger Federer 6-0 at the French Open would obviously be more humiliating than Rafa Nadal bageling a world number 65. The higher you're ranked, the greater the humiliation. Which is why 2008 French Open final stands out more where Federer was humiliated. But does anybody remember that Nadal beat two other players 6-0 in that tournament? No.
But I expect India to bounce back. The first innings of the next test match would be critical. India needs to score 300 now in their first innings to banish these scars.
If Pakistan, WI, SL got out for 36 against Australia at adelaide, it would've been less humiliating because you know these teams have hardly any quality about them.
Think like this. Rafa Nadal bageling Roger Federer 6-0 at the French Open would obviously be more humiliating than Rafa Nadal bageling a world number 65. The higher you're ranked, the greater the humiliation. Which is why 2008 French Open final stands out more where Federer was humiliated. But does anybody remember that Nadal beat two other players 6-0 in that tournament? No.
But I expect India to bounce back. The first innings of the next test match would be critical. India needs to score 300 now in their first innings to banish these scars.
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Shastri, jeez. Words that will continue to haunt us.
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India has no legacy.It is ridiculous to compare India with the West Indies of late 70s/80s or Australia team of late 90s
As a cricketer imran is miles ahead of kholi take it what way you want i am just stating a fact. Its not a stupid as 36 for 9 shouldn't be in records due to the 10th wicket not falling even more embarrassing that they fractured his arm.
They have a legacy getting a smashed outside their home while they were the best ranked team.
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Wow. That’s pretty harsh for a team that won against pretty much the same bowling side the last time they were in Aus. Also, this useless team had just bullied the Aussies the previous day and were tipped 60-40 to win the game (words of Aussie commentators before start of play).
Think you got carried away a bit there
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Let’s put it this way. Imran won’t make any ATG list. Kohli will in ODIs. And might in tests by the time he retires.
I think the only thing Pakistanis will be left with is:
Kohli will never become PM of his country
Let’s put it this way. Imran won’t make any ATG list. Kohli will in ODIs. And might in tests by the time he retires.
I think the only thing Pakistanis will be left with is:
Kohli will never become PM of his country
Doesnt matter about the atg list anyone who knows cricket will know Imran was far better cricketer then kholi. Only indians care about this atg list. A bowling averge of 22 abd battiing average of 37 in tests is all i have to say.
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ROFL. Their overseas record says it all.5 wins in 36 matches.What kind of pathetic team is this.HTBs with doctored pitches.
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Ridiculous statement.
They got hammered in New Zealand, and now this performance. Those two teams didn't have such nonsense lows.
They got hammered in New Zealand, and now this performance. Those two teams didn't have such nonsense lows.
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Who cares man. We will kill them all at home anyway. Series is not over anyway.
I wouldn't count India out. India are bound to rebound.
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Indian team from 2006-11, England team from 2009-13 and South African team from 2008-14 are better than the current Indian team.
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Wow lovely to see who is the number one poster in defending India haha.
Shastri can say whatever he wants, nothing to take seriously. This indian team has lost their last three test comprehensively so they may be need to do something quickly.
Shastri can say whatever he wants, nothing to take seriously. This indian team has lost their last three test comprehensively so they may be need to do something quickly.
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Yes and a lot better. Current Indian team's with current aussies side.
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No one will be 36 all out, that's a record. India had to play their best to make, these things happen once in a century.
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Won't say lot better because current Indian team are unbeatable at home and they win one games overseas in every country.
It's quite obvious that there is no legacy here. The sport has become competitive overall and India, England and Australia have equally had successes this decade. Anyone who thinks India has been head and shoulders above rest i.e. legacy is incorrect.
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The competition is lot lesser. The only team that's better now than 10/15 years back is NZ.
Sri Lanka, WI and Pakistan are not existing. SA is the worst progression à team can have in such a short period. England's test team is also very average.
There will be no impact, our delusional players will still call themselves the best and will find some excuses even when they loose 4-0. I was reading some articles on cricinfo this morning and I was surprised how even not one of them criticised players of their techniques or performance. It was all about they are 'amazingly talented', 'other teams would have also gone through the same', 'bowling was unplayable' blah blah blah. If you are not ready to look into the mirror, then you will never realise how ugly you look.
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same legacy that Tottenham have in premier league.
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We're not talking about facts, but context.
Your subjective application only exposes your hypocrisy and ignorance. Remember when you claimed Pakistan fluked the 92 WC because of rain, and in the same thread you learned that England fluked the SF due to rain too in the same WC. Of course, had you watched the WC you would've known, but you were born in 92 which is why you ended up looking like a complete tool.
You are not applying any context, just hatered.
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Current India would humiliate all of them at home.
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And will get humiliated by all of them away.
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No serious follower of cricket would ever judge a captain by raw win numbers, that is like the least accurate way to assess their ability.
Every captain, even great ones, have blemishes in their record. Clive Lloyd lost to NZ. Australia under Waugh were nearly beaten at home by NZ. Imran lost a test to a weak Sri Lankan team. Ganguly was whitewashed in NZ. Mark Taylor was thrashed badly in India. But they are assessed based on how they brings their teams forward.
Imran actually won landmark first time series in England and India for Pakistan, drew home and away against a stronger WI and won a World Cup. He will be always held in high regard because of this legacy. You trying to dissect his stats is irrelevant.
Kohli on the other hand, as it stands, will only be remembered as the first Asian captain to win in Australia. That's it. And by the end of this series, that 2018 series will rightly be considered a fluke. He already lost in SA, England and NZ.
His home victories against fairly weak visiting teams will be forgotten because in the larger context, you are expected to be strong at home. If anything, the contrast between his overperformance at home and underperformance away shows his weakness as captain.
I dont know who is more overrated, Kohli as captain or India as a team. At least with Pakistan, nobody pretends they are a great side.
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One thing we learned today brothers, no one is invincible in sports.
Exception is Khabib
Be Humble
Exception is Khabib
Be Humble
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Yep. Thank IPL for that.
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We either win or die.
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The GOAT Asian Test team. Amazing mentality.
No one thought they could fight back after Adelaide nightmare right away that too with Kohli.
The GOAT Asian Test captain has instilled a fighting spirit and competitive mentality in this Indian team that they can carry on even without his presence.
He has changed Indian cricket forever.
Also, drunkard Shastri is a proper motivator. A couple of pints and he can get the juices flowing in his players. His role must not be underestimated.
No one thought they could fight back after Adelaide nightmare right away that too with Kohli.
The GOAT Asian Test captain has instilled a fighting spirit and competitive mentality in this Indian team that they can carry on even without his presence.
He has changed Indian cricket forever.
Also, drunkard Shastri is a proper motivator. A couple of pints and he can get the juices flowing in his players. His role must not be underestimated.
We have way too many Indian fans on this forum. Some even pretend to be Pak cricket fans just to wind us up. Sad...
You mean the captain that tucked tail and ran at the first sign of trouble back to the missus?
I wouldnt give the guy too much credit for this buddy. First let him learn how to wear the pants in his own house then you can call him a goat or ****** punjoo or whatever.
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Some maybe on BCCI payroll just like Ravi was when he was a commentator.
No other explanation to act so childish
No other explanation to act so childish
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You mean the captain that tucked tail and ran at the first sign of trouble back to the missus?
I wouldnt give the guy too much credit for this buddy. First let him learn how to wear the pants in his own house then you can call him a goat or ****** punjoo or whatever.
His departure was predetermined. It was known for months that he would go home after the 1st Test. The result had zero bearing on his decision.
Anyway, you can carry on. I can sense your disappointment and frustration. How does it feel to win Test matches in Australia? No young Pakistani fan knows.
I dont know who this guy thinks he is still winding up pretending to be some sort of Pak cricket supporter. Honestly I do feel for him given this need to create an alternate persona just to wind up a few Pak cricket fans. Must not have any sort of life whatsoever. Jeez some people!
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You mean the captain that tucked tail and ran at the first sign of trouble back to the missus?
I wouldnt give the guy too much credit for this buddy. First let him learn how to wear the pants in his own house then you can call him a goat or ****** punjoo or whatever.
You seem rattled.
Keep calm and learn to agree to disagree like you were preaching earlier
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The only change that Kohli brought in this series in Indian cricket is to fly back home to be with his wife.
No other Indian cricket has done it before, maybe now they will follow him.
India doing better without him around, nothing new...
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Some maybe on BCCI payroll just like Ravi was when he was a commentator.
No other explanation to act so childish
Speaking of childish, that is what our fans and media acted like after Adelaide. They were ready to do bhangra again after Melbourne but they have had a shock of their lives.
Buddy you are no Pak cricket fan and everyone on this forum sees right through you. I dont care when who decided what. You dont leave your team in this sort of trouble if you have any sort of integrity whatsoever. But you carry on.
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Don't know why they should be shocked. India is a good team just like Australia.
Doing bhangra is what you are doing, posting is every thread the sale things.
This thread is the better suited, because you are quite similar to Ravi Shastri.
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