"We have a legacy like WI did in the 80s and Australia did in the turn of the century": Ravi Shastri

[Mamoon]

Don't know why they should be shocked. India is a good team just like Australia.

Doing bhangra is what you are doing, posting is every thread the sale things.

This thread is the better suited, because you are quite similar to Ravi Shastri.

Yes I am sure you can convince me that you are not shocked to see this Indian performance right after Adelaide.

 

[ShoaibM]

Yes I am sure you can convince me that you are not shocked to see this Indian performance right after Adelaide.

There's nothing shocking about this test match. The shocker was the first test match jheenga performance put in by the "GOAT" test team (36). This is just a fairly regular test against a weakened Aussie team, nothing much of note I think the aussies will likely fight back once at full strength thats how things go usually.

Speaking of shockers...36 really? )

 

[Mamoon]

There's nothing shocking about this test match. The shocker was the first test match jheenga performance put in by the "GOAT" test team (36). This is just a fairly regular test against a weakened Aussie team, nothing much of note I think the aussies will likely fight back once at full strength thats how things go usually.

Speaking of shockers...36 really? )

Weakened Aussie team? They have their best attack + Smith, while India is missing Kohli, Shami and Ishant, even if we ignore Rohit. Moreover, Australia also had the advantage of winning the toss here.

Then again, why am I bothering explaining this to you.

 

[ShoaibM]

Weakened Aussie team? They have their best attack + Smith, while India is missing Kohli, Shami and Ishant, even if we ignore Rohit. Moreover, Australia also had the advantage of winning the toss here.

Then again, why am I bothering explaining this to you.

Because you are a die hard Indian cricket fan that has burnol issues every time Indian team is challenged. Nobody is buying your act little buddy.

 

[Mamoon]

Because you are a die hard Indian cricket fan that has burnol issues every time Indian team is challenged. Nobody is buying your act little buddy.

As I have explained to you many times, I am unfortunate to be a Pakistani. There is nothing likable about the Pakistan team and they way we play our cricket, and if I wasn’t Pakistani it would have been the last team in the world that I would watch. The mediocrity of Pakistan cricket annoys me tremendously.

There is no act here. The only thing you are wrong about is your assumption that I am not a Pakistani. Unfortunately, with a very heavy heart, I am a Pakistani.

 

[pillionrider]

Because you are a die hard Indian cricket fan that has burnol issues every time Indian team is challenged. Nobody is buying your act little buddy.

He's a Pakistani. I would post his city but that's his choice to make. In your previous avatar , you should have lurked more in Timepass where his Pakistani credentials were repeatedly proved over and over again.

 

[pillionrider]

And all those attacking Mamoon, having watched him over the years, I'm pretty convinced there are very few here who actually care about Pak cricket more than him or exult more when Pak win while playing great cricket.

 

[CricketCartoons]

He's a Pakistani. I would post his city but that's his choice to make. In your previous avatar , you should have lurked more in Timepass where his Pakistani credentials were repeatedly proved over and over again.

Indian cricket fan can also mean fan of indian cricket, not a cricket fan who is indian.

 

[Slog]

Yes I am sure you can convince me that you are not shocked to see this Indian performance right after Adelaide.

Adelaide was a shock. This isn’t.

 

[Mamoon]

Adelaide was a shock. This isn’t.

In the context of the situation, this is certainly a shock.

Adelaide was a proper meltdown, Kohli left, Shami got injured, out of form Rahane took over as captain, Australia won the toss.

India getting rolled over here is what the vast majority of people expected. This is a Herculean effort and testament to their strong mentality.

They way they have able to block all the negativity and noise and focus on the task at hand was inspirational.

It would have been very easy for them to switch off and that is what most would have done in this situation.

 

[Manunited18]

Ravi shastri is living in cloud cuckoo land, this Indian test team is good, but let's put things in to perspective, we recently battered India in England, the kiwis beat them comfortably in New Zealand, and South Africa also beat them

 

[Madplayer]

Comparing this Indian team to WI and AUS.

Ravi shastri has lately been high on desi daaru i think

 

[Slog]

In the context of the situation, this is certainly a shock.

Adelaide was a proper meltdown, Kohli left, Shami got injured, out of form Rahane took over as captain, Australia won the toss.

India getting rolled over here is what the vast majority of people expected. This is a Herculean effort and testament to their strong mentality.

They way they have able to block all the negativity and noise and focus on the task at hand was inspirational.

It would have been very easy for them to switch off and that is what most would have done in this situation.

Nah I said at the time that the 36 all out is an anomaly. The mental strength they have shown to bounce back is admirable but to say it is a total shock is not fair. India is a good side and australia is not some great great side. Over a 4 match series outisde Asia, these sides will have a competitive series.

 

[Mobashir]

Yes I am sure you can convince me that you are not shocked to see this Indian performance right after Adelaide.

No I am not shocked at all. I am not like you, or to be fair to you, like many posters here who go crazy on things after just one match.

I also don't buy the "momentum" and "form" thing too much.

With Kohli gone, India's were going to be a different fresh team. Fair play to them, they have done very well in this test and Australia were average and outplayed.

 

[Technics 1210]

The GOAT Asian Test team. Amazing mentality.

No one thought they could fight back after Adelaide nightmare right away that too with Kohli.

The GOAT Asian Test captain has instilled a fighting spirit and competitive mentality in this Indian team that they can carry on even without his presence.

He has changed Indian cricket forever.

Also, drunkard Shastri is a proper motivator. A couple of pints and he can get the juices flowing in his players. His role must not be underestimated.

Kohli instilled a fighting spirit?

You are too young to remember, it was Ganguly who instilled a fighting spirit in Indian cricketing mindset which changed Indian cricket. Kohli is merely riding on the coat-tails of Ganguly when it comes to captaincy and leadership.

 

[Rajdeep]

There's nothing shocking about this test match. The shocker was the first test match jheenga performance put in by the "GOAT" test team (36). This is just a fairly regular test against a weakened Aussie team, nothing much of note I think the aussies will likely fight back once at full strength thats how things go usually.

Speaking of shockers...36 really? )

How is this a weakened Australian team? India is playing without Kohli, Shami, Ishant and now Umesh is also injured. And most importantly, Australia is playing on its home turf.

 

[Madplayer]

Kohli instilled a fighting spirit?

You are too young to remember, it was Ganguly who instilled a fighting spirit in Indian cricketing mindset which changed Indian cricket. Kohli is merely riding on the coat-tails of Ganguly when it comes to captaincy and leadership.

Ganguly laid the foundation, Dhoni solidified it and Kohli enjoyed it.

 

[ShoaibM]

As far as I'm concerned Kohli tucked tail and ran when the going got the toughest. Not a good look.

 

[Jeetlodil]

This is a weakened Aus team because of openers and number 5 and 6. That other side is also weak may balance it out but Aus is weak and has wrong players playing as openers and 5 6

 

[ShoaibM]

This is a weakened Aus team because of openers and number 5 and 6. That other side is also weak may balance it out but Aus is weak and has wrong players playing as openers and 5 6

Thankyou. Really was dreading having to explain this.

 

[ShoaibM]

And all those attacking Mamoon, having watched him over the years, I'm pretty convinced there are very few here who actually care about Pak cricket more than him or exult more when Pak win while playing great cricket.

I'll take your word for it if he really is from Pakistan i stand corrected. But no I wasnt calling him an Indian I was calling him an Indian cricket fan. Nothing stopping you from being a fan of Indian cricket simply because you were born in Pakistan or Madagascar.

I guess Mamoon's condition I will leave up to him then. I really thought he was just winding folks up here. pretty sad he feels trapped as a Pak cricket fan I think the issue runs deep with him, hope for his sake he finds some peace.

Its one thing to like Indian cricket or to appreciate what they are doing. Its just bonkers to, in the same breath, make the argument that India is the greatest team ever, Pak is a minnow, yet India's loss to Pak was because the team was unsettled. I mean talk about crazy, this goes well beyond that. Minnow dont beat up goat teams simply because one is having a bad season. Anyway, I empathize a little bit with Mamoon now so I will leave him be and hope he finds some peace for himself in this crazy reality he is trying to construct.

 

[Jeetlodil]

Thankyou. Really was dreading having to explain this.

Lol. Why dread. It’s visible to anyone who follows cricket

 

[Jeetlodil]

I'll take your word for it if he really is from Pakistan i stand corrected. But no I wasnt calling him an Indian I was calling him an Indian cricket fan. Nothing stopping you from being a fan of Indian cricket simply because you were born in Pakistan or Madagascar.

I guess Mamoon's condition I will leave up to him then. I really thought he was just winding folks up here. pretty sad he feels trapped as a Pak cricket fan I think the issue runs deep with him, hope for his sake he finds some peace.

Its one thing to like Indian cricket or to appreciate what they are doing. Its just bonkers to, in the same breath, make the argument that India is the greatest team ever, Pak is a minnow, yet India's loss to Pak was because the team was unsettled. I mean talk about crazy, this goes well beyond that. Minnow dont beat up goat teams simply because one is having a bad season. Anyway, I empathize a little bit with Mamoon now so I will leave him be and hope he finds some peace for himself in this crazy reality he is trying to construct.

Lots of Indian who have got Australian and British citizenship still support India in cricket. Same for Pakistan. I know Indians who are hardcore Australian and South African fans. There will always be people who will prefer a team over the other. In the subcontinent for some reason following cricket is tied to nationalism. Beyond my understanding.

 

[Mamoon]

Kohli instilled a fighting spirit?

You are too young to remember, it was Ganguly who instilled a fighting spirit in Indian cricketing mindset which changed Indian cricket. Kohli is merely riding on the coat-tails of Ganguly when it comes to captaincy and leadership.

I am old enough to remember Ganguly.

But you forgot the Dhoni era where India were laid to waste outside Asia with bowlers lacking fitness and intensity. Dhoni was a brilliant captain but Test cricket outside Asia were his Achilles’ heel. Apart from the South African series in 2010-11, India were a poor touring side under him.

Ganguly took the first step towards the modernization of Indian cricket after the match-fixing era of Azharuddin but Kohli has taken the team to the next level.

The Test side that Kohli took over in 2014-2015 was ranked 5th in the world with a poor bowling attack. Kohli turned things around very quickly with his phenomenal leadership.

Kohli has comfortably surpassed Ganguly as a captain and as a cricketer. In LOIs, his captaincy is below Ganguly and of course Dhoni.

 

[Technics 1210]

I am old enough to remember Ganguly.

But you forgot the Dhoni era where India were laid to waste outside Asia with bowlers lacking fitness and intensity. Dhoni was a brilliant captain but Test cricket outside Asia were his Achilles’ heel. Apart from the South African series in 2010-11, India were a poor touring side under him.

Ganguly took the first step towards the modernization of Indian cricket after the match-fixing era of Azharuddin but Kohli has taken the team to the next level.

The Test side that Kohli took over in 2014-2015 was ranked 5th in the world with a poor bowling attack. Kohli turned things around very quickly with his phenomenal leadership.

Kohli has comfortably surpassed Ganguly as a captain and as a cricketer. In LOIs, his captaincy is below Ganguly and of course Dhoni.

More irrelevance. The point is not about W/L ratios, rankings, most wins, etc - it is about instilling the fighting spirit into the Indian team. Your point not mine.

Had you been alive in the 80s, and aware in the 90s, you'd realise what Ganguly achieved, and in order to realise you need context, which you don't have.

There is a reason why Ganguly is known as 'Dada'. Do your research and come back again.

PS: Kohli might have the most wins blah blah, but most of them have been at home, with the odd fluke away.

 

[King_Kohli]

Ravi Shastri (in Press) said "There was no chat in dressing room about 36 all out in dressing room".

 

[King_Kohli]

Ravi Shastri (in Press) said "We will stick with 5 bowlers, we will see how Rohit is physically and have to check how he feels & then take the call".

 

[Mamoon]

They don’t have the legacy of Australia or West Indies, but as the greatest Asian Test team of all time, they have a great legacy of their own.

 

[MenInG]

India worked through Australia's lower-order resistance on the fourth morning to set themselves up a crushing eight-wicket victory in Melbourne.

Cameron Green and Pat Cummins stood firm for over an hour of play on the fourth morning, and it took a sharp Jasprit Bumrah bouncer to finally break the partnership with Cummins fending off to the slip cordon to fall for 22 off 103 deliveries.

Green, who had adopted a largely defensive approach until that point, looked to up the ante. But he was soon dismissed by debutant Mohammed Siraj as he failed to control a pull shot, holing out to mid-wicket for 45. His failure to reach fifty would mean that Australia finished the Test without a single half-century in the match – the first time since 1988 that they went a whole home Test without scoring one.

Mitchell Starc survived a couple of close lbw calls. In the first instance, he was adjudged lbw against Ravindra Jadeja but used DRS to reverse the decision with the tracker showing the ball go down leg. Later he was ruled not out on-field when struck on the pads by an R Ashwin carrom ball and India's review went with the umpire's call.

But India didn't have to wait too much longer for wickets as Siraj and Ashwin cleaned the tail out. Siraj had Lyon caught down leg for his third wicket of the innings and fifth of the match to complete a fine debut performance while Ashwin had the joy of closing the Australian innings out on 200 when No.11 Josh Hazlewood shouldered arms to a straighter one.

India had a few jitters early in their chase, but were able to close the game out comfortably as Shubman Gill and Ajinkya Rahane took them home. Mayank Agarwal's poor series continued as he poked at one outside off to fall for five to Mitchell Starc. Pat Cummins then had Cheteshwar Pujara caught at gully with one that held its line after pitching. At 19/2 India's supporters would've had nervy flashbacks of their capitulation for 36 in the previous Test in Adelaide.

Rahane, who made an innings-defining hundred in the previous innings, and debutant Gill played their strokes to allay those fears. The only other opportunity that came Australia's way was when the captain Rahane miscued a heave, only for Mitchell Starc to put down the chance in the deep after seeming in control of it.

Rahane later had the honour of hitting the winning run with Gill at the other end. The visitors will be very pleased with how confident the 21-year-old Gill has looked in his maiden Test, making 45 and 35*.

They will also be delighted about firming up their position at No.2 on the ICC World Test Championship points table. New Zealand are close on their heels in the standings, and the victory gives India breathing room.

Australia, who are at the top in the table, will sweat over their batting woes going into the next Test. Their total of 200 in the second innings is their highest in the series so far and the top order has appeared extremely tentative and their best batsman Steve Smith, who is No.1 in the MRF Tyres ICC Men's Test Rankings for batting, has managed only 10 runs in four innings.

The next Test is scheduled to take place in Sydney, starting 7 January.

 

[El Generico]

India is a very solid team but their inability to win big matches and trophies in any format is why they probably will never even get close to the legacies of WI or Australia of the past.

For some reason they just can’t win big games despite almost always starting of as favourites.

 

[street cricketer]

More like South Africa in world cups.

 

[Rana]

Thank you New Zealand

No team that refuses to play another country should ever be considered champions in that competition!

 

[mystical man]

Shameless performance and wonder if they were worthy of reaching the finals against a top quality opposition.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Played 5 tests last time in England, then 2 in NZ and now this WTC final. Managed to win only 1 match in these conditions. What a legacy.

And we have 5 more tests lining up after this.

 

[mystical man]

The likes of mamoon and other bhakths will be quite for awhile as the phainty will continue into the 5 test matches against England...

 

[MesonK]

The likes of mamoon and other bhakths will be quite for awhile as the phainty will continue into the 5 test matches against England...

I will give you a trick to silence Indians and their minions from our side of the border

... always go for the stats . they hate it.

 

[andy0204]

They don’t have the legacy of Australia or West Indies, but as the greatest Asian Test team of all time, they have a great legacy of their own.

Which legacy are you talking about? The legacy of choking.

 

[TheSultan]

India don’t have a scooby doo in England.

Probably the worst side in in England this century and much of last

 

[Mamoon]

Which legacy are you talking about? The legacy of choking.

1) Two Test series wins in Australia; all other Asian sides put together have a big fat zero

2) Only two Test losses at home since 2015 and zero series lost

3) longest reign as the number 1 ranked Test team in the 2010-2020 decade

4) longest number 1 reign for any Asian Test team in history

5) Virat Kohli has more Test wins as captain than any other Asian captain in history

All these achievements make the current India the GOAT Asian Test team. No other Asian tream has a greater legacy.

 

[CricVet]

Sorry, there is no bornol available for a battered ego. May the legacy continue!

 

[Rana]

Funny how golden arm Axar Patel wasn’t picked for this Test. Goes to show how India is a home track bully only!

 

[IMMY69]

Funny how golden arm Axar Patel wasn’t picked for this Test. Goes to show how India is a home track bully only!

Ranajee you're developing a habit for stating the obvious.

 

[Jazx]

Current indian team is great but calling it as a legacy of 80s west Indies or 2000s australia is way too much. Australia's legacy in early 2000s was such that anything less than a whitewash in a series was not enough for them whether at home or overseas. And there is no comparison with 80s west Indies fast bowlers with the bowlers of any of the Indian team of any era.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

1996-2007 Australia is still the greatest team ever across formats. India isn't even as good as South Africa from 2005-2015.