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Markhor said:
It was only three innings ago that Kamran Ghulam won MOTM after 63 (32) away vs South Africa. He may or may not be the answer but not sure why his rope was cut so soon.
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Tbh kamran is still in contention but he give his wicket away easily sometimes he is competing with talat and hassan nawaz so hard to get in as of now.
 
Rana said:
The vultures are waiting for Aqib, Hesson and Wahab to be gone.

They will get their way with Misbah, Tanveer Ahmed and Basit Ali types getting the jobs after them.
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This is what the likes of Shariqnoor, Major, daytrader, gaza and eyc
Rana said:
They keep changing their tune too..

Was it not Wasim Akram clamouring about completely wiping out the team after the India 2024 loss and making a new team? So why did he backtrack and that too after Farhan smashed that 75 against Windies?

Afridi for me is clearly a chameleon who keeps changing his colours. He advocates for Babar and Rizwan because he cannot openly advocate and defend his son in law Shaheen. So he picks the so called seniors in Pakistan who are struggling and tries building the case of “backing the seniors”.
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If Afridi is advocating for Babar then there’s clearly not much between the ears, but we already knew this as we’ve all seen his decision making as a player and captain during his playing days.
 
gazza619 said:
KG has has his chances and he has been disappointing. I would have given TT a few more games.
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You cannot convince me KG is worse then Rizwan.

Past records dont matter if someone is washed up. My guess is rizwan is closer to 37-38. Babar is probably still 30 but he is faltering and losing form day by day.

Rizwan's century vs Sa pre CT was probably the final gas left in his tank when it comes to whiteball cricket

KG for all his faults is still a better batsmen then Abdullah, Talat, Rizwan and Babar(current form) atm.

However I dont want KG in the team as I dont believe he fits in according to modern standards.

Shahibzada Farhan is a much better option and a much better batsmen then KG atm
 
shariqnoor said:
This is what I don't understand from Pakistan management. Floating batsmen is a ridiculous idea in longer form cricket. Why can't Hasan Nawaz come in now? Why are they pigeon holing Hasan Nawaz as a striker? Why can't Hasan Nawaz come and build his innings?
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It’s probably because, in a parallel world, management noticed how Hasan started his innings in the first odi, trying to send everything out of the park from ball one. But in our world, he actually built an innings, showing that he can bat sensibly, get his eye in, and then accelerate.

Also, I completely agree with your point about discarding Imam for Abdullah Shafique, who often looks nervous building his innings. Not long ago, I tried to reason with some posters about supporting Imam, he’s a solid ODI opener by our standards but they also live in a parallel world where Pakistan supposedly has a wealth of talent sitting on the bench that’s better than the rest of the world. Classic Pakistan: invest in a player for years, discard him without a second thought, ignore him for years, and then bring him back when he’s on the brink of retirement.
 
I am so sick of this Imam ul Haq nonsense.

Yes Imam is a better odi batsmen then Abdullah Shafique and Abdullah replacing Imam is hysterical.

Abdullah should not be in the team, end of story.

But Imam isnt any better regardless of his stats.

Shahibzada Farhan should have made his debut in odi a long time ago and replaced both these 2 clowns.

Farhan isnt an atg or a modern great but he is a good batsmen who is consistently butchered or misused by PCB.

They have only played him in t20 where stats show that it is his worst format. He avg 45 and 41 in both list A and FC.

And the one time they gave him full permission and license to open in t20, they had him play in Australia where majority of Pakistani batters have struggled irrespective of formats.

Pakistan has been a joke in aus.
 
Caved12 said:
It’s probably because, in a parallel world, management noticed how Hasan started his innings in the first odi, trying to send everything out of the park from ball one
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What parallel world have you been watching the first game?

When did Hassan Nawaz try to send everything out of the park from ball one in the last game???
 
Pakistan cricket team and its selectors especially are beyond repair. Abdullah Shafique averages 32 in List-A cricket, yet he has been preferred over Imam. Hasan Nawaz has only played 6 List-A games, yet he gets picked in the team. Abrar Ahmed has only played 16 List-A games if you take out his 9 ODIs. And last but not least, the skipper Rizwan is playing like Misbah 2.0, with a timid approach, taking us on a stroll down the horrible memory lane.
 
There are more players like hasan nawaz waiting who has so far looked the best player in team. Fill the team with them. If you want to know their names just see psl
 
gazza619 said:
KG has has his chances and he has been disappointing. I would have given TT a few more games.
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He's only had 7 innings. It was just three innings ago he scored 63 (32) away in South Africa and won MOTM.

Sure his average of 30 can, and should be improved upon, but he's struck at nearly run a ball. Given Hesson's rhetoric about aggressive cricket then he should've at least made the squad not blanked entirely.
 
mominsaigol said:
I am so sick of this Imam ul Haq nonsense.

Yes Imam is a better odi batsmen then Abdullah Shafique and Abdullah replacing Imam is hysterical.

Abdullah should not be in the team, end of story.

But Imam isnt any better regardless of his stats.

Shahibzada Farhan should have made his debut in odi a long time ago and replaced both these 2 clowns.

Farhan isnt an atg or a modern great but he is a good batsmen who is consistently butchered or misused by PCB.

They have only played him in t20 where stats show that it is his worst format. He avg 45 and 41 in both list A and FC.

And the one time they gave him full permission and license to open in t20, they had him play in Australia where majority of Pakistani batters have struggled irrespective of formats.

Pakistan has been a joke in aus.
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Another thing that people ignore is that Imam had the privilege of batting with a prime Fakhar and Prime Babar while Abdullah does not.

Hence why the argument that Imam and fakhar are the most successful opening pair is extremely disingenuous as you could replace Imam with anyone and the pair would look good thanks to fakhar.

If you look at Imam's century tally in odi its

1) Century on debut vs C side Sri lanka while rizwan and Abdullah have scored against a string Sri Lanka in a world cup event.

2) 2 centuries vs c string Aus in 2018 in which rizzu scored 2, Haris sohail scored 2, Babar scored 2 and all played on a pindi paradise pitch.

3) 3 vs Zimbabwe in the same series in which fakhar zaman tonked 210 against them.

4) 1 vs bangladesh

5) 1 vs C string SA where once again rizwan and agha recently smacked their c string side in odi and Pakistan whitewashed them at home.

6) 1 vs England: His only gem innings that was once in a blue moon.

^^ Throughout 9 of his odi centuries, he has produced literally 1, I repeat uno century that was good and was against a full strength sides albeit Pakistan lost that game in a brutal fashion.

While this puts Imam > Abdullah, it doesn't solidify him as some great Opener that many Pakistani posters are pretending he is.

Pakistan may be dry on talent but they do have better options then Imam ul Haq.

Imam is no atg gem or a messiah that can't be replaced.

Their is no reason why Shahibzada Farhan cant open in odi.
 
Markhor said:
He's only had 7 innings. It was just three innings ago he scored 63 (32) away in South Africa and won MOTM.

Sure his average of 30 can, and should be improved upon, but he's struck at nearly run a ball. Given Hesson's rhetoric about aggressive cricket then he should've at least made the squad not blanked entirely.
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Hesson has a fetish to try and turn Rizwan and Babar into Williamson+Baz

He needs to learn the hard way.
 
Rana said:
Hesson has a fetish to try and turn Rizwan and Babar into Williamson+Baz

He needs to learn the hard way.
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But the fab 4 have been falling out of favour in odi for years now excluding kohli who was the only one who adjusted?

Root was kicked out for 4 years? Its only due to Hales retirement and the loss of form of roy, Bairstow and a few others that they were forced to bring him back.

People have been getting frustrated by Williamson perpetually stuck at batting at 74 for ages and ages now in odi and he has been washed in the format since 2021.

Same.case.with Steve smith who was obviously washed in odi post 2021?

Smith, Williamson and Root are by products of their era but the game as evolved and evolved. They kinda were outdated since 2016 onwards due to the rise of england and other teams following suit?

Smith, Root and Williamson are appreciated for test cricket. Odi and t20 is not their fortei. Steve Smith does show up in Big Bassh League though.

So what's the point of turning rizwan and babar into something that died in 2016?
 
mominsaigol said:
But the fab 4 have been falling out of favour in odi for years now excluding kohli who was the only one who adjusted?

Root was kicked out for 4 years? Its only due to Hales retirement and the loss of form of roy, Bairstow and a few others that they were forced to bring him back.

People have been getting frustrated by Williamson perpetually stuck at batting at 74 for ages and ages now in odi and he has been washed in the format since 2021.

Same.case.with Steve smith who was obviously washed in odi post 2021?

Smith, Williamson and Root are by products of their era but the game as evolved and evolved. They kinda were outdated since 2016 onwards due to the rise of england and other teams following suit?

Smith, Root and Williamson are appreciated for test cricket. Odi and t20 is not their fortei. Steve Smith does show up in Big Bassh League though.

So what's the point of turning rizwan and babar into something that died in 2016?
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Also @Rana I dont think hesson has any control over the odi side lol.
 
mominsaigol said:
But the fab 4 have been falling out of favour in odi for years now excluding kohli who was the only one who adjusted?

Root was kicked out for 4 years? Its only due to Hales retirement and the loss of form of roy, Bairstow and a few others that they were forced to bring him back.

People have been getting frustrated by Williamson perpetually stuck at batting at 74 for ages and ages now in odi and he has been washed in the format since 2021.

Same.case.with Steve smith who was obviously washed in odi post 2021?

Smith, Williamson and Root are by products of their era but the game as evolved and evolved. They kinda were outdated since 2016 onwards due to the rise of england and other teams following suit?

Smith, Root and Williamson are appreciated for test cricket. Odi and t20 is not their fortei. Steve Smith does show up in Big Bassh League though.

So what's the point of turning rizwan and babar into something that died in 2016?
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Aqib has been doing his best to drill in sense into Hesson by keeping Babar and Rizwan as far away as he can in white ball, but I guess Hesson just wants to play with fire for his own satisfaction. The problem is that Hesson’s poor choices will also reflect poorly and jeopardise the jobs of Aqib and Wahab if Pakistan suffer because of those two.

Let him learn the hard way. Usko tassali nahi honi jab tak yeh dono isko poora Zaleel na Kar dain!
 
mominsaigol said:
Also @Rana I dont think hesson has any control over the odi side lol.
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I’ve been doing a lot of reading and listening to journalists

Hesson definitely has a say in the ODI side. It’s the T20 side where he has been restrained a bit in particular to the case of Rizwan and Babar. He wants to bring them in but is confused as to what he wants to do with them.

As I said, let him learn the hard way.
 
Rana said:
I’ve been doing a lot of reading and listening to journalists

Hesson definitely has a say in the ODI side. It’s the T20 side where he has been restrained a bit in particular to the case of Rizwan and Babar. He wants to bring them in but is confused as to what he wants to do with them.

As I said, let him learn the hard way.
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I dont think he has any say, abrar just replaced sufyan muqim. Abrar is pathan
 
All rounder Nawaz showing his fabulous allround skills. It's amazing how many of these fraud allrounders can't bat at all.
 
worst thing to happen to Pakistan is the internet. Instead of being a tool for education, awareness, and genuine progress , its used as a hype machine for people like Imran Khan and Babar Azam, the hype isn’t even backed up by anything real.
 
Much needed big over but looks like its a matter of time before match is stopped again due to rain. I'd imagine Pakistan doesn't bat again if it does.
 
Proper game awareness by Nawaz

He was telling Shaheen to get on with it because the momentum was with Pakistan. They get to 200 in 40 it means Windies will need something like 230 in 40 overs on a Bunsen burner.
 
Rana said:
Proper game awareness by Nawaz

He was telling Shaheen to get on with it because the momentum was with Pakistan. They get to 200 in 40 it means Windies will need something like 230 in 40 overs on a Bunsen burner.
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Do u think hassan nawaz can become an atg middle order batsman??
 
Rana said:
Too early to say. He will be Tested against Top 4-5 sides. Especially against World class spinners such as Kuldeep and Adil Rashid.
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I dont think spin will be issue for pakistani except babar azam, its the bounce and seam that troubles them.
 
Watching this boy Hassan Nawaz. He looks to be the best middle order batter in this side. He is tall and can hit big sixes at his will .after a long time pakistan got a clean striker at middle order. Abdul Razzak used to finish matches for Pakistan now this boy can do the same.. why Farhan is not in ODIs??? He was probably the best player in T20,s for Pakistan..hw knows how to score run
 
Maybe a bit ahead of myself here but Nawaz reminds a lot of KP’s first away tour with England against SA. He was phenomenal in that debut series!
 
saabir said:
Watching this boy Hassan Nawaz. He looks to be the best middle order batter in this side. He is tall and can hit big sixes at his will .after a long time pakistan got a clean striker at middle order. Abdul Razzak used to finish matches for Pakistan now this boy can do the same.. why Farhan is not in ODIs??? He was probably the best player in T20,s for Pakistan..hw knows how to score run
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Muhammad haris and khwaja nafay are good too for odis. Others like yasir khan Muhammad naeem maaz sadaqat irfan niazi abdul samad waiting too
 
cricfan432 said:
Muhammad haris and khwaja nafay are good too for odis. Others like yasir khan Muhammad naeem maaz sadaqat irfan niazi abdul samad waiting too
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Not sure about others but saw Haris he looks uncomfortable against spinners ..he don't have the temperament to play in ODI Imo..
 
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