West Indies v Australia | T20 | Barbados | 19/6/08

[Mohsin]

West Indiea to win this easy!

 

[Oxy]

12 off 17 balls.

 

[f.b.m]

20/20 (or 11-11) is such a meh after watching Turkey beat Croatia.

 

[Mohsin]

Probably big names in the Stanford T20?

 

[Oxy]

11 of 16 - referred a direct hit to 3rd Ump.

DOnt think so...

 

[Mohsin]

Another direct hit, 3rd umpire...

 

[12thMan]

lot of new players in the WI team
Marshall, Perkins, Fletcher, Roach, Pollard

 

[Oxy]

20/20 (or 11-11) is such a meh after watching Turkey beat Croatia.

YOu said it.

T20 is deluding itself really

 

[Oxy]

Boundary for WI

7 off 15 needed

 

[Mohsin]

4444444444444444

7 off 15

 

[Easa]

Who are Roach? Ronchi? Perkins?

Roach is a promising new express bowler, Ronchi is an Australian wicket-keeper/batsman/belligerent animal, and Perkins is a WI opener

X Marshal might be joining the ranks of the rabies-infected animals soon

 

[Oxy]

Down to 6 off 14.

Bravo is the matchwinner

 

[PlanetPakistan]

WI racing away to a famous victory

 

[Mohsin]

1 big hit will do it now!!

 

[Oxy]

And Collingwood is slowing things right down....

 

[12thMan]

Who are Roach? Ronchi? Perkins?

thread already about Roach - fast bowler
Ronchi is Australian next keeper who made a really brutal 100 in Australian domestic this or last year

Bravo maybe the only true all rounder left in international cricket

 

[Oxy]

OTher guy hits BIG! Another 4

2 to win...

 

[Oxy]

SO L&G.

As I see.

WI are 96-3

So that means they need 2 runs off 12 balls (which is equiv to 2 overs)

 

[Oxy]

High...wide...handsome.

BRavo kills off the game with anothe SIXER.

GAme to WI

 

[Mohsin]

West Indes win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Oxy]

Thanks to my colleague Anurama Bhatterji in the crincinfo commentary booth.

We'll resume with further cricket when we bring you live ball by ball coverage of the 3rd ODI tomorrow between England and New Zealand.

 

[Mohsin]

Thanks to my colleague Anurama Bhatterji in the crincinfo commentary booth.

We'll resume with further cricket when we bring you live ball by ball coverage of the 3rd ODI tomorrow between England and New Zealand.

Oh! How is Anurama these days? Still a little rascle...

 

[12thMan]

A sensational run-chase from West Indies. It is getting as dark as the World Cup final now, but Bravo saw that like a beachball. That's the first Twenty20 international in the Caribbean, and what a marker it's laid down. England might not fancy their chances of those Stanford millions after all ...

 

[Dhonian]

CALYPSO six that! Bravo!!

 

[f.b.m]

YOu said it.

T20 is deluding itself really

NOOOO

Who won the DLF Maximum sixes tonight ???

 

[Random Aussie]

2 wides from Oz spinner....dont know who he is....and 2 byes

Still need 29 off 27

Cameron White and you need to use quotation marks if you are going to call him a "spinner"

 

[Random Aussie]

I just dont rate Mitchell Johnson - something very 'average' about him...

He is going downhill from nowhere special to begin with.

 

[Dhonian]

All said and done, it's really a farce to have an international game that lasts just 22 overs.

 

[Inswinging Yorker]

All said and done, it's really a farce to have an international game that lasts just 22 overs.

yea but the fans got some good entertaining batting from both sides.

dont think auss will be too worried bout the loss nor windies will be over elated bout the win.

this was just something 4 the fans who braved the weather and at least got something for their money

 

[Random Aussie]

yea but the fans got some good entertaining batting from both sides.

dont think auss will be too worried bout the loss nor windies will be over elated bout the win.

this was just something 4 the fans who braved the weather and at least got something for their money

Good to see X Marshall kicking on Yorker maan - he can play.

Was impressed to see him in the last Test get hit in the head by Lee, then got a ripper short ball to follow up and Lee was giving him some lip and the X man gave it right back. Crowd loved it , commentators loved it and both teams appreciated the spirit.

Some teams still play in the right spirit instead of whining about the other team being "bullies" whever someone has a word to say.

 

[OZGOD]

LOL X-man made MJ look like a buffet bowler - he was helping himself to every single delivery.

 

[Random Aussie]

LOL X-man made MJ look like a buffet bowler - he was helping himself to every single delivery.

) ) Love it

 

[OZGOD]

) ) Love it

Seriously, this bloke might make it into a few international sides, but he's not Baggy Green quality at the moment. I reckon the best place for him to get his swing back and refine his game is in domestic cricket. How did the following prospects go in Shield cricket this year mate? You're the bloke on the ground there, I don't have access to Shield cricket here in the Land of the Seppos.

- Doug Bollinger
- Ben Hilfenhaus
- Ashley Noffke (old but might work as a stopgap)
- Nathan Bracken (I know he's a good ODI bowler, do you think he's developed enough to be worth a guernsey in Tests?)
- anyone else worth a mention

I want to know if they were able to:

- generate decent pace (140k+)
- move the ball
- provide some variation
- have some bowling IQ and not try and take a wicket every ball
- maintain some decent control over their deliveries

The other x-factor is Tait - but I don't reckon he's ready yet. Most of our blokes are in the "will be ready in a year or so" category.

 

[Random Aussie]

Seriously, this bloke might make it into a few international sides, but he's not Baggy Green quality at the moment. I reckon the best place for him to get his swing back and refine his game is in domestic cricket. How did the following prospects go in Shield cricket this year mate? You're the bloke on the ground there, I don't have access to Shield cricket here in the Land of the Seppos.

- Doug Bollinger 45 wickets at 15 before getting injured. Was awesome and should be in the team ahead of Buffet Boy. Also has hair now yeah yeah.
- Ben Hilfenhaus Career worst season otherwise would have got a run
- Ashley Noffke (old but might work as a stopgap) Excellent both in bolwing and batting. I don't rate him but he is close to selection on his results, like Krapich
- Nathan Bracken (I know he's a good ODI bowler, do you think he's developed enough to be worth a guernsey in Tests?) Was pretty good , averaged 25ish I think but unless something dramatic happens will never get another go in the Test side. Doesn't trouble class players with the red ball.
- anyone else worth a mention - Peter Siddle from Victoria, young right arm quick with a dodgy shoulder. Decent pace 140k - 145k, aggression and moves the ball. There are a few other decent prospects around but they are mostly either too old or just developing

I want to know if they were able to:

- generate decent pace (140k+) Siddle & Hilfenhaus only, as far as I know
- move the ball Hilf is the only one mentioned above who moves the ball appreciably
- provide some variation Bollinger deserves a go, he is a left armer, Hilfenhaus is predominantly a swing bowler
- have some bowling IQ and not try and take a wicket every ball - all OK but would need to see them bowl against Test batsman on a flat pitch to judge
- maintain some decent control over their deliveries All not too bad and better than Johnson at present

The other x-factor is Tait - but I don't reckon he's ready yet. Most of our blokes are in the "will be ready in a year or so" category.

Yup agree, the next domestic season is really important from a bowling perspective (both pace and spin). We need some blokes to stand up and demand selection as Clark and Lee are getting on. Lee in particular can't be far away from another injury - we would be in deep trouble at the moment if he broke down.

Johnson I agree needs to go back to Shield cricket, consistently take wickets and earn his spot instead of being gifted it because he is a left armer and phaast.

 

[OZGOD]

Yup agree, the next domestic season is really important from a bowling perspective (both pace and spin). We need some blokes to stand up and demand selection as Clark and Lee are getting on. Lee in particular can't be far away from another injury - we would be in deep trouble at the moment if he broke down.

Johnson I agree needs to go back to Shield cricket, consistently take wickets and earn his spot instead of being gifted it because he is a left armer and phaast.

I've never believed in using Test cricket as an avenue for young blokes to figure out what's wrong with their game and how to fix it. Think of Michael Clarke's improvement after being dropped for a year. You can do it for veterans as you know they've delivered in the past and being around class players helps them get their touch back - but young blokes need to go back to domestic cricket to remediate their deficiencies IMO. I reckon Jonno's got a bright future in front of him but I would like to see how he bounces back for the Bulls, rather than seeing him serve up meat pie after meat pie in Tests. I would say the same for Casson, except that frigging MacGill and Hogg retired so we have no veterans to use as Band-Aids.

 

[Random Aussie]

I've never believed in using Test cricket as an avenue for young blokes to figure out what's wrong with their game and how to fix it. Think of Michael Clarke's improvement after being dropped for a year. You can do it for veterans as you know they've delivered in the past and being around class players helps them get their touch back - but young blokes need to go back to domestic cricket to remediate their deficiencies IMO. I reckon Jonno's got a bright future in front of him but I would like to see how he bounces back for the Bulls, rather than seeing him serve up meat pie after meat pie in Tests. I would say the same for Casson, except that frigging MacGill and Hogg retired so we have no veterans to use as Band-Aids.

Think we need to take Bryce McGain to India - even though he is 36ish - as back up for Casson. Both bowlers are going to get smashed but that way at least if Casson is getting killed (and from watching the highlights of the 3rd Test the Indian batsman will him) we can use McGain as cannon fodder rather than ruining the confidence of another young spinner.

We have tended to blood young bowlers in Test cricket though without much first class experience - going more on the gut feel of the selectors eg McGrath, Warne, Gillespie (no coincidence our best bowlers for the past 15 years) and think we tried to do the same with Johnson but he, at the moment, is not up to it in the way the other three were.

 

[Megadeth]

(and from watching the highlights of the 3rd Test the Indian batsman will him)

dude..if you're so sure that casson and mc.gain are going to be slaughtered in India..why even bother including him in the playing XI...Aussies can probably use an extra batsman and use Clarke as the utility spinner together with ponting & "maan ki"symonds ...

 

[Random Aussie]

dude..if you're so sure that casson and mc.gain are going to be slaughtered in India..why even bother including him in the playing XI...Aussies can probably use an extra batsman and use Clarke as the utility spinner together with ponting & "maan ki"symonds ...

We don't hide players. If it is a spinning track we will play a spinner regardless and Casson is currently in our playing XI. And Clarke has a bad back and can't bowl all day on the fifth if needed.

What do you mean we need an extra batsman? Oppositions around the world would be interested why you think we need more batsmen. Are the current top 6 all averaging over 45 with 1 over 50, 1 over 55 and 1 over 65 not good enough?

 

[Dhonian]

Good to see X Marshall kicking on Yorker maan - he can play.

Was impressed to see him in the last Test get hit in the head by Lee, then got a ripper short ball to follow up and Lee was giving him some lip and the X man gave it right back. Crowd loved it , commentators loved it and both teams appreciated the spirit.

Some teams still play in the right spirit instead of whining about the other team being "bullies" whever someone has a word to say.

So true. Now if only some teams could get it into their heads that they get what they give, and stop being oh so touchy... :miandad

 

[Random Aussie]

So true. Now if only some teams could get it into their heads that they get what they give, and stop being oh so touchy... :miandad

Some teams are not the ones complaining about a bit of talk. Some teams only complain about things like racist remarks

 

[Dhonian]

Some teams are not the ones complaining about a bit of talk. Some teams only complain about things like racist remarks

some teams just can't face the heat on their own, they bring three extra players and still beat their chest on the radio

 

[Random Aussie]

some teams just can't face the heat on their own, they bring three extra players and still beat their chest on the radio

Some teams like to threaten to leave a tour when they lose and get their board to fight their battles for them when they can't win on the field when it matters.

Some teams like to doctor their home pitches when they are in trouble in a series and have the captain pay a cash reward to the curator.

Some teams are the most reported and penalized in world cricket for breaking the rules but like to accuse everyone else of racism be they black or white.

Some countries need to hire Australians and pay them millions to dominate their own domestic competition because their own "stars" are not up to the task.