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West Indies v India, 5th ODI, Trinidad

Raz said:
Dwayne Smith is psychotic, in terms of having a brutal personality he probably comes to the closest to Shahid Afridi in matching him.
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The most psychotic thing about Smith is never changing a dismal style of playing which has never got him runs consistently. Beast this, occasional good slog inning that, venom in his eyes that, the fact is that he is crap.
 
Raz said:
It seems to me that Dean Jones is becoming more pro Indian biased by the day.
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he's just trying to position himself well because he's after the coach's job once chappell gets sacked/resigns.
 
50 for sarwan, has been superb all series. well batted again!
 
Whippy squash said:
Whoop de do, only going offside when he is against the worst ODI side in the world. What a player *cough*
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You miss the point completely, the point is with offside and legside play is not ability because Smith has the ability to play through the offside. Watch his debut century against South Africa and you will know what I'm talking about. Its more psychological and the mentally being able to tell youself what you will do to each ball and where you will play it.

As it happens telling yourself you will play a ball on offstump or just outside on the offside, like Smith has been doing is noteworthy, regardless of the opposition.
 
Another good innings, one that required more patience this time, and he has adapted. Nice to see Lara get a start in his last home match, hopefully he also gets to raise his bat to help set the Indians a difficult target.
 
sarwan gone, clean bowled by a slower ball.

just like gayle, goes after getting 50.
 
Whippy squash said:
The most psychotic thing about Smith is never changing a dismal style of playing which has never got him runs consistently. Beast this, occasional good slog inning that, venom in his eyes that, the fact is that he is crap.
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The ability is there and that talent just needs to be nutured in the correct way thats all. It may take a bit of time but I believe it will come like it has started to come with Afridi.
 
Amjid Javed said:
sarwan gone, clean bowled by a slower ball.

just like gayle, goes after getting 50.
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He was struggling with that wrist injury, for Windies sake it was probably best.
 
Raz said:
You miss the point completely, the point is with offside and legside play is not ability because Smith has the ability to play through the offside. Watch his debut century against South Africa and you will know what I'm talking about. Its more psychological and the mentally being able to tell youself what you will do to each ball and where you will play it.

As it happens telling yourself you will play a ball on offstump or just outside on the offside, like Smith has been doing is noteworthy, regardless of the opposition.
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Granted he is not as limited as he once was, but he is still wildly inconsistent and wouldnt get anywhere near a decent side.

Comparing him to other big hitters in ODI cricket such as Dhoni, Pathan, Gilchrist, Pietersen and Afridi, Smith offers very little to a side
 
Out! Sarwan goes for 52, Booty boy gets his wicket.
 
All you have to do to Dwayne Smith is pitch it straight and full. Even the part timers of Zimbabwe did that and got him out. He just hasn't progressed from when he burst onto the scene. If there is anything in his arc then yes he'll dispatched it, anything that means he can't swipe it accross the line and he's in trouble. He's a one dimensional player.
 
Raz said:
The ability is there and that talent just needs to be nutured in the correct way thats all. It may take a bit of time but I believe it will come like it has started to come with Afridi.
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The ability has been there with Ramprakash, Sami etc etc etc but they were never up to much when they played int. cricket. Smith has showed no signs of doing well against good bowling, even when the bowling has been terrible (Zimbo) he has failed a few times.

he is bleh
 
Rob H said:
All you have to do to Dwayne Smith is pitch it straight and full. Even the part timers of Zimbabwe did that and got him out. He just hasn't progressed from when he burst onto the scene. If there is anything in his arc then yes he'll dispatched it, anything that means he can't swipe it accross the line and he's in trouble. He's a one dimensional player.
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Its all psychological and he like Ricardo Powell needs to be handled in the correct way like Shahid Afridi has by Bob Woolmer.
 
Whippy squash said:
The ability has been there with Ramprakash, Sami etc etc etc but they were never up to much when they played int. cricket. Smith has showed no signs of doing well against good bowling, even when the bowling has been terrible (Zimbo) he has failed a few times.

he is bleh
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Read my post before this, he just isn't any kind of cricketer, he actually does need special treatment.
 
His batting is beastly, his bowling is consistent, and he is a brilliant brilliant fielder. A good all round cricketer.
 
Whippy squash said:
The ability has been there with Ramprakash, Sami etc etc etc but they were never up to much when they played int. cricket. Smith has showed no signs of doing well against good bowling, even when the bowling has been terrible (Zimbo) he has failed a few times.

he is bleh
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Lara and Gayle also failed in that series. Does that make them 'bleh'?
 
Lara needs to up the ante now. He's unbeaten on 24 of 50 balls.
 
Easatheman said:
His batting is beastly, his bowling is consistent, and he is a brilliant brilliant fielder. A good all round cricketer.
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His fielding has always been nothing short of world class. His bowling has improved considerably and has gone from a part-timer to someone who the captain regularly turns to for economical overs or for a breakthrough. He bowls stump to stump and full length and has added a few yards of pace to his bowling too.
 
Easatheman said:
His batting is beastly, his bowling is consistent, and he is a brilliant brilliant fielder. A good all round cricketer.
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sounds like bits and pieces to me. Beastly batting? What good is that when you average 19? As for his bowling he is medium pace. He has never bowled consistantly WELL.
 
Easatheman said:
Lara and Gayle also failed in that series. Does that make them 'bleh'?
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Smith has failed against everyone else though.......
 
Rob H said:
sounds like bits and pieces to me. Beastly batting? What good is that when you average 19? As for his bowling he is medium pace. He has never bowled consistantly WELL.
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He bats at number eight. He is forced to hit out for the sake of the team - what part of that do you not understand?
 
Easatheman said:
He bats at number eight. He is forced to hit out for the sake of the team - what part of that do you not understand?
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hes had plenty of inns at 3 and 5/6 when playing for the team.
 
Rob H said:
Smith has failed against everyone else though.......
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I see that brutal obliteration of 44 from 28 with 2 fours and 4 sixes, which stole victory from the jaws of defeat for the Windies against England in St Lucia in 2004 still hurts :16:
 
3rd position 5 5 1 94 62* 23 6 23.50 0 1 0
5th position 2 2 0 32 16 16 - 16.00 0 0 0
6th position 12 12 0 249 46 44 39 20.75 0 0 1
7th position 12 12 1 201 68 38 23* 18.27 0 1 1
8th position 3 3 0 34 30 2 2 11.33 0 0 0

smith has batted number 8 just 3 times, so please dont talk TOSH as you put it!
 
Raz said:
I see that brutal obliteration of 44 from 28 with 2 fours and 4 sixes, which stole victory from the jaws of defeat for the Windies against England in St Lucia in 2004 still hurts :16:
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and that average of 20 v England really hurts me. Oh so bad......
 
No fighting ya little scumbags....break break...
 
Rob H said:
and that average of 20 v England really hurts me. Oh so bad......
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That innings though does hurt doesn't it? Forget the average, that innings that beautifully destructive innings :16:
 
Dont worry, if WI cricket is anything as passionate as Pakistanis are - Lara will be back after the WC as well !
 
Score please?

Do not have access to Sky Sports at the moment and as always when India are getting a phainty, the ball by ball updates are conveniently slow.
 
West Indies surely missing Ricardo Powell at the moment.
 
Dhoni fails to top a regulation ball, gives away a bye. Very poor stuff.
 
Sreesanth.....

10-0-62-1

FANTASTIC STUFF!

:14: :14: :14:
 
Saying no.8s have to hit out is total rubbish, Ashley Giles may not be Mr Glamorous but he can bat consistently well at no.8 (either play his shots or slowly build an innings) and has a better average than Dwayne Smith. Then again never let facts get in the way!
 
217-4 after 46

Boundary off the last ball, Bravo gave himself room and smashed it over point for 4
 
Whippy squash said:
Saying no.8s have to hit out is total rubbish, Ashley Giles may not be Mr Glamorous but he can bat consistently well at no.8 (either play his shots or slowly build an innings) and has a better average than Dwayne Smith. Then again never let facts get in the way!
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Are we talking about ODIs or tests here?

In ODIs........building an innings from number 8 is not really what you want. But if Giles wants to do that then he should be my guest.
 
Hash said:
Are we talking about ODIs or tests here?

In ODIs........building an innings from number 8 is not really what you want. But if Giles wants to do that then he should be my guest.
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Just generally. He can do either kind of innings, I remember some 'beastly' hitting in the test and ODI away series against South Africa from Giles.

The point is that just because a cricketer just slogs a lot doesnt mean he is necessarily worth more to a team than a grafter like Giles, who is a no.8 who can hit the ball hard but still maintain some consistency.

Another point is that no.8s DO NOT have to hit out, particularly as a collapse in an ODI might leave the no.8 batting 30 overs in, and he needs to be able to adapt to the situation, something I feel Smith would not be able to do. If a run chase goes horribly wrong then the no.8 might be relied on (with plenty of overs left) to try and build the total sensibly as well.
 
The great medium pacer, Munaf Patel, is doing a great job here.
 
Great stuff from Bravo, whom gets his 50.
 
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Munaf Patel is being slaughtered.

WI 251/5 from 49.2 overs
 
He gets a wicket now.

251 for 6.

3 balls to go.
 
255 for 6 from 50 overs

Superb innings by Bravo....62 from 44 balls with only 4 fours! Shows how well he rotated the strike and kept getting the 1s and 2s. Brilliant innings.

Also a special mention must go to the fastest bowler in the history of the game........Munaf Patel. Superb bowling by him to finish with 64 runs from his 10 overs.

India need 256 to win at 5.12 per over.
 
255-6 (50)

Smith had to go for it in the end, but got yorked.
 
Easatheman said:
255-6 (50)

Smith had to go for it in the end, but got yorked.
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i don't want to say i told you so but i told you so. Stick it in the blockhole and he's defenseless. The amount of times he's been dismissed in that fashion.
 
Uthappa gone... India in dire straits.

Dhoni comes in at number 3, India 11-1 (3.3)
 
Rob H said:
i don't want to say i told you so but i told you so. Stick it in the blockhole and he's defenseless. The amount of times he's been dismissed in that fashion.
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This is in the LAST over. You don't have a choice - you HAVE to hit, the delivery doesn't matter.
 
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