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West Indies v Pakistan | 1st ODI | Gros Islet | 23/04/11 | Pakistan Innings

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MR__KHAN__JI said:
Given the number of wickets down... he had to preserve wickets... to then have a go later....

He however

1) didnt rotate the strike enough during that phase

2) when he started speeding up it was a little too late.

The fact that he had to limit the risk of him getting out by slowing down the scoring.... was the RIGHT thing to do in the circumsatnce...

In terms of balme..

1) The catching (which included Misbah)
2) Hafeezs brain fart
3) YK's innings.... It was asking for a YK special...
4) Misbah - and delaying the charge for too long.
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The reason why Misbashs innings (worngly) hurts more is

1) Same reason people are finding this brilliant partnership boring...
2) It was ocurring at the same time as our heart was being hurt....

If you look at it dispassionately the answer is different.....
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
Given the number of wickets down... he had to preserve wickets... to then have a go later....

He however

1) didnt rotate the strike enough during that phase

2) when he started speeding up it was a little too late.

The fact that he had to limit the risk of him getting out by slowing down the scoring.... was the RIGHT thing to do in the circumsatnce...

In terms of balme..

1) The catching (which included Misbah)
2) Hafeezs brain fart
3) YK's innings.... It was asking for a YK special...
4) Misbah - and delaying the charge for too long.
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Lol.. just turn your list upside down and you'll have my order in terms of blame..
 
This partnership bodes well for the semi final at Mohali...

Oh wait.
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
Yes... but if we had lost another wicket at that time it was curtains....

ie after we were 4 down! and then 5 down.
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How can you or any one defend Misbah in semifinal.
you need to watch that match again, wickets weren't falling on other end. Before Misbah came to crease, pakistan was favorite to win. Things were under control.

But his inning and to some extents YKs also put so much pressure on pakistani team, that India became favorite just after another wicket(That was of YK ).

After that for every wicket, blame goes to Misbah. He wasn't playing defensively, he was blocking all the balls. He wasnt showing any intent to score at all not he was giving strike to other batsman.

require run rate went beyond control and other ppl on other end took chances and in the process lost their wicket.
and what does he does after pakistan lost the match???
he makes some quick run to improve his strike rate and average.

I would say Misbah lost the match deliberately, there cant be any other explanation the way he batted
 
pakcricketfan said:
Lol.. just turn your list upside down and you'll have my order in terms of blame..
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Don't blame Misbah. Asking rate was already over 6 by the time he got there and we were 3 down, 4 down soon after when Younis left.

It was a combined batting failure, Hafeez's stupid shot, Younis' lack of touch, not taking the PP early. Misbah at least gave us a chance, however slim, by being there till the end.
 
good knock from shafiq...he's slowly become better and better after every match...good to see...
 
deadly_man2 said:
How can you or any one defend Misbah in semifinal.
you need to watch that match again, wickets weren't falling on other end. Before Misbah came to crease, pakistan was favorite to win. Things were under control.
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If you call an asking rate of over 6 an over when he came in to bat 'under control' then yeah it was under control.
 
deadly_man2 said:
How can you or any one defend Misbah in semifinal.
you need to watch that match again, wickets weren't falling on other end. Before Misbah came to crease, pakistan was favorite to win. Things were under control.

But his inning and to some extents YKs also put so much pressure on pakistani team, that India became favorite just after another wicket(That was of YK ).

After that for every wicket, blame goes to Misbah. He wasn't playing defensively, he was blocking all the balls. He wasnt showing any intent to score at all not he was giving strike to other batsman.

require run rate went beyond control and other ppl on other end took chances and in the process lost their wicket.
and what does he does after pakistan lost the match???
he makes some quick run to improve his strike rate and average.

I would say Misbah lost the match deliberately, there cant be any other explanation the way he batted
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When we went 4 and 5 down... we were on the verge of a good old fashioned Pakistani collapse!

We could have lost be 80 odd runs....
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
Given the number of wickets down... he had to preserve wickets... to then have a go later....
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How did all those wickets go down?

He was dead at the crease when Umar was batting
He wasn't rotating strike when Razzaq and Afridi were batting.

End result? All three get out.

further, he did nothing when Riaz and Gul were in to bat. Just nothing. With the last batsman in, he tonked a few to get his 50.

MR__KHAN__JI said:
He however

1) didnt rotate the strike enough during that phase

2) when he started speeding up it was a little too late.
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It was all LOST when he started speeding up.

MR__KHAN__JI said:
The fact that he had to limit the risk of him getting out by slowing down the scoring.... was the RIGHT thing to do in the circumsatnce...
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Adding stability does not mean not scoring at all. What exactly was he thinking playing out 40 dots chasing 260?

The right thing to do in those circumstances was to play risk free cricket and keep the score ticking.

MR__KHAN__JI said:
In terms of balme..

1) The catching (which included Misbah)
2) Hafeezs brain fart
3) YK's innings.... It was asking for a YK special...
4) Misbah - and delaying the charge for too long.
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In order of blame:

Misbah and YK
Catching/ fielding
Gul [a rare off day]
Hafeez's brain fart

Note: Hafeez last because he did bowl really well and scored 40 odd giving his team a good start. Set the stage perfectly for YK and Misbah to take over.
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
Given the number of wickets down... he had to preserve wickets... to then have a go later....

He however

1) didnt rotate the strike enough during that phase

2) when he started speeding up it was a little too late.

The fact that he had to limit the risk of him getting out by slowing down the scoring.... was the RIGHT thing to do in the circumsatnce...

In terms of balme..

1) The catching (which included Misbah)
2) Hafeezs brain fart
3) YK's innings.... It was asking for a YK special...
4) Misbah - and delaying the charge for too long.
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He did not need to hit out his job was to rotate the strike and try staying til the end...But the problem was he did not the rotate the strike he did not take the 1's and 2's.......By taking 1's and 2's he would have stayed till end and would have also put less presuure on the other batsman......I think it was the pressure he could not hack
 
attock said:
He did not need to hit out his job was to rotate the strike and try staying til the end...But the problem was he did not the rotate the strike he did not take the 1's and 2's.......By taking 1's and 2's he would have stayed till end and would have also put less presuure on the other batsman......I think it was the pressure he could not hack
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1s and 2s weren't easy to come by. Wicket had slowed and Dhoni kept at least 5 men in the ring at all times saving 1.
 
Shafiq has been impressive on his comeback apart from one t20 and that semi final.
 
d0gers said:
Don't blame Misbah. Asking rate was already over 6 by the time he got there and we were 3 down, 4 down soon after when Younis left.

It was a combined batting failure, Hafeez's stupid shot, Younis' lack of touch, not taking the PP early. Misbah at least gave us a chance, however slim, by being there till the end.
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When asking rate was over 6, playing with a strike rate of 30 is more than criminal.

Will you please enlighten me when exactly he gave pakistan the chance to win????
 
d0gers said:
1s and 2s weren't easy to come by. Wicket had slowed and Dhoni kept at least 5 men in the ring at all times saving 1.
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I agree, but a certain amount of risk has to be taken in the ODI format especially when you are chasing....because too many low scoring overs can put more pressure on the chasing team
 
Hafeez SHOULD have scored a hundred today. No I'm not asking for too much but given his past record, he needs to get into that divine mode. Needs to turn a new leaf which he can maintain till the next 4-5 years.
 
sam said:
How did all those wickets go down?

He was dead at the crease when Umar was batting
He wasn't rotating strike when Razzaq and Afridi were batting.

End result? All three get out.

further, he did nothing when Riaz and Gul were in to bat. Just nothing. With the last batsman in, he tonked a few to get his 50.



It was all LOST when he started speeding up.



Adding stability does not mean not scoring at all. What exactly was he thinking playing out 40 dots chasing 260?

The right thing to do in those circumstances was to play risk free cricket and keep the score ticking.



In order of blame:

Misbah and YK
Catching/ fielding
Gul [a rare off day]
Hafeez's brain fart

Note: Hafeez last because he did bowl really well and scored 40 odd giving his team a good start. Set the stage perfectly for YK and Misbah to take over.
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The score was 142-4 with 17 overs left when Akmal got out....

There was plety of time left....

At 142-5... you cant take too many risks.... if it becomes 142-6 you are dead.

So he slowed down (playing riskless cricket) correctly....

Then it got 150-6 after 36.2 overs....

That is a disastorus situatin whichever way you look at it from a WICKETS perspective.....

Runs wise... 110 from 14overs is still achievable.....

But if you are 6 down.... you have to play low risk cricket for a bit...

He just took that "BIT" on for too long!

Hafeez on the other hand was SET.... with only 1 wicket down....

If he had batted for another 5 overs... we would have been in a briloiant position...

What was he doing trying to pull a ball 5 yards wide of off stump?
 
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Should have ended this in the 35th and 36th over, really slow batting for what is a really easy total!
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
When we went 4 and 5 down... we were on the verge of a good old fashioned Pakistani collapse!

We could have lost be 80 odd runs....
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and I will say it again, you went from 4 to 5 down. because of Misbah.

and losing wc semifinal by 80 run after you try your best is much better than losing it by 40 run without trying
 
d0gers said:
Don't blame Misbah. Asking rate was already over 6 by the time he got there and we were 3 down, 4 down soon after when Younis left.

It was a combined batting failure, Hafeez's stupid shot, Younis' lack of touch, not taking the PP early. Misbah at least gave us a chance, however slim, by being there till the end.
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I agree with the part in bold and I'm NOT saying that Misbah is the only person to blame for the loss.

BUT where was the "intent" of scoring? He couldn't give us a chance by just staying out there! You have to score to win a match.

Again, I'm not saying that he should have gone wild and look to smash everything out of the park. But he should have at least kept the scorecard ticking. There were no ones and twos in his innings.. it was all about blocking! He was defending anything and everything that was bowled at him. How in the world are you going to win a match by doing that! :facepalm:

Don't defend Misbah's SF innings, just don't. :46: You are too kind-hearted, I am NOT.
 
Misbah very cleverly in between has been hogging alot of the strike with blocking 5 balls and taking 1 off the last!
 
deadly_man2 said:
When asking rate was over 6, playing with a strike rate of 30 is more than criminal.

Will you please enlighten me when exactly he gave pakistan the chance to win????
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It was over 6 before he got there. And it wasn't the sort of pitch where you could start scoring from the get-go. Plan was to keep his end intact, keep wickets in hand for the end. But India did well to apply the pressure and got Younis, Umar, Afridi and Razzaq out to false strokes. I don't think there is any need to blame Misbah for that. If he had gotten out trying to hit out in the 35th over, trust me we wouldn't have even made it to the 50th over.
 
sam said:
Loss by 80, 50 or 20.

It's a loss.
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Agreed. But you have to make the strategic choice....

1) Play like Afridi....

2) Or play sensibly....

He chose the latter where you fail 3/10 times

In the former you fail 7/10 times....
 
Misbah will get MOM , he will then go back to Mohali and continue from where he left off .
 
Omar Malik said:
Misbah very cleverly in between has been hogging alot of the strike with blocking 5 balls and taking 1 off the last!
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...and still selfishly managing a better SR than his batting partner? Don't hate unnecessarily. Causes pimples.
 
M Nadeem said:
Shafiq has been impressive on his comeback apart from one t20 and that semi final.
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he made a solid 30 and was looking good for a big one but got out trying to play the shots solely due to RRR climbing as a result of YK blocking at the other end...
 
Two runs takes, score are now level, Pakistan require a single to win :D

We want a :six
 
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