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pakcricketfan said:
I agree with the part in bold and I'm NOT saying that Misbah is the only person to blame for the loss.

BUT where was the "intent" of scoring? He couldn't give us a chance by just staying out there! You have to score to win a match.

Again, I'm not saying that he should have gone wild and look to smash everything out of the park. But he should have at least kept the scorecard ticking. There were no ones and twos in his innings.. it was all about blocking! He was defending anything and everything that was bowled at him. How in the world are you going to win a match by doing that! :facepalm:

Don't defend Misbah's SF innings, just don't. :46: You are too kind-hearted, I am NOT.
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Well I somewhat agree with the part about there being not enough intent but as I said earlier you have to give some credit to Dhoni for keeping his field up and not giving away the easy singles.
 
deadly_man2 said:
and I will say it again, you went from 4 to 5 down. because of Misbah.

and losing wc semifinal by 80 run after you try your best is much better than losing it by 40 run without trying
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To say he wasnt trying is unfair...

He just tried... but unsuccessfully....
 
Mubarak sab ko yeh jeet . We win by 8 wickets and lead series 1-0
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
Agreed. But you have to make the strategic choice....

1) Play like Afridi....

2) Or play sensibly....

He chose the latter where you fail 3/10 times

In the former you fail 7/10 times....
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Or there's the Misbah option to freeze dead at the crease and fail 8/10 times.
 
Grats guys, great bowling by Ajmal, good to see Shafiq getting the runs. WI were never in the game.
 
d0gers said:
If you call an asking rate of over 6 an over when he came in to bat 'under control' then yeah it was under control.
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asking rate of just about 6 when you have 7 wicket in hand and just 160 run to chase is well under control.

unless you have some batsman on one end who just block all the balls he gets and moreover doesnt even give strikes to others
 
Yaayyy!! I knew the guys had it in them. Yeah the Windies had a few new players but still it's sweet to win!
 
deadly_man2 said:
can you differentiate between blocking the balls and trying to make runs?

I say he wanted to lose on purpose thats why he wasnt even giving strikes to others
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Its all about managing risk.... he was just making sure he didnt lose another wicket....

He just went a touch too far like i said...

I am not saying he played well...

Just that he was doing the right thing... just didnt execute very well.
 
deadly_man2 said:
asking rate of just about 6 when you have 7 wicket in hand and just 160 run to chase is well under control.
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Well will have to disagree with you there, because in the 5 overs before Misbah got there we scored 19 runs. So scoring had already slowed down and India were turning on the screws. When you have to chase at over 6 an over for more than 25 overs, given the way the pitch was playing at Mohali, I don't think that's under control.
 
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MR__KHAN__JI said:
Its all about managing risk.... he was just making sure he didnt lose another wicket....

He just went a touch too far like i said...

I am not saying he played well...

Just that he was doing the right thing... just didnt execute very well.
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This is not call managing risk, this is called increasing risk.
Infact not increasing risk, disaster is the right word.
He didnt play or couldn't play is one thing, my point is he didnt want to play well that day. He had no intention of winning.
 
:riaz should focus on his bowling - :afridi

hafeez is the MOM

wah wah feezy gets a blackberry . we should see him on twitter soon then ?
 
d0gers said:
Well will have to disagree with you there, because in the 5 overs before Misbah got there we scored 19 runs. So scoring had already slowed down and India were turning on the screws. When you have to chase at over 6 an over for more than 25 overs, given the way the pitch was playing at Mohali, I don't think that's under control.
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ok even if I believe you for one instance, then what do you do in such case?
you block all the balls and make sure asking rate become 9 instead of 6 and then it will become easy?
 
Now I want to hear Afridi say Southee. Pretty sure he'll say Saudi PP style. :))

LOL @ calling Sammy, Sami.

:))
 
Okay, I want a video of that presentation. Will make some wonderful hearing.

Afridi. Uff! :))
 
deadly_man2 said:
ok even if I believe you for one instance, then what do you do in such case?
you block all the balls and make sure asking rate become 9 instead of 6 and then it will become easy?
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Well no easy answers here really. You try and take singles but the field is up so no easy singles. You could try and hit it over but the ball isn't really coming on to the bat, plus it's very risky because if you play a false stroke and get out you're in even bigger trouble.

Also I don't think Misbah was playing on his own whims. That was the game plan, for him to stay at one end. His number one priority was to not lose his wicket, and then for runs to come from the strokemakers at the other end. And well, the plan didn't come off.

Could Afridi and team management have tinkered with the batting order at the fall of Shafiq or Hafeez's wicket and promoted himself or Razzaq up the order?

Could they have taken the power play early?

Many factors at play. Very harsh to single Misbah out and make him the scapegoat.
 
deadly_man2 said:
This is not call managing risk, this is called increasing risk.
Infact not increasing risk, disaster is the right word.
He didnt play or couldn't play is one thing, my point is he didnt want to play well that day. He had no intention of winning.
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Perhaps he got a call from the prime minister.... who had a prior agreement with teh President of India that in turn for a defeat Diplomatic relations would be restarted???????????
 
d0gers said:
Well no easy answers here really. You try and take singles but the field is up so no easy singles. You could try and hit it over but the ball isn't really coming on to the bat, plus it's very risky because if you play a false stroke and get out you're in even bigger trouble.

Also I don't think Misbah was playing on his own whims. That was the game plan, for him to stay at one end. His number one priority was to not lose his wicket, and then for runs to come from the strokemakers at the other end. And well, the plan didn't come off.

Could Afridi and team management have tinkered with the batting order at the fall of Shafiq or Hafeez's wicket and promoted himself or Razzaq up the order?

Could they have taken the power play early?

Many factors at play. Very harsh to single Misbah out and make him the scapegoat.
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Exactly....

even the timing of pwerplay was more to balme....


If Afridi was going to Whack... he should whack after taking the PP!
 
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