What are the options left for the Palestinians in Occupied Lands?

[MenInG]

They are fighting/protesting but are they achieving anything?

What options do they have? Should they accept status quo and move on with life or continue struggling?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Armed resistance, education , grow stronger and in the end Muslims will re-conquer the holy land. The number of Muslims and the geogrpahics of the area are simply too much. Israel wouldnt exist but for western military power which is in decline now.

Crusaders lasted nearly a hundred years, but are now figments of history , a bloody evil history they had too.

 

[PetroDollars]

This isnt the 12 century anymore, the only way they will get there lands back is diplomatically.

any means of resistance will not only get crushed but Palestine will lose more land and in the end be wiped out completely with the few remaining muslims relocating to egypt and other places.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Push for a one state solution. One man one vote. Israel wont annex Gaza, but they might be able willing to annex the West Bank. Palestinians will be approx 40% of the population then, and it wont be seen as a Jewish state by the rest of the world.

They should push the Arab and Muslim countries to recognize Israel after annexation.

And then through intermarriage get the Palestinians refugees who are outside of Israel/Palestine right now to come back through that way. It will take some time, but Palestinians will eventually be the majority once again in the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Push for a one state solution. One man one vote. Israel wont annex Gaza, but they might be able willing to annex the West Bank. Palestinians will be approx 40% of the population then, and it wont be seen as a Jewish state by the rest of the world.

They should push the Arab and Muslim countries to recognize Israel after annexation.

And then through intermarriage get the Palestinians refugees who are outside of Israel/Palestine right now to come back through that way. It will take some time, but Palestinians will eventually be the majority once again in the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.

A Jewish state or a united state one for all state?

 

[King-Misbah]

Push for a one state solution. One man one vote. Israel wont annex Gaza, but they might be able willing to annex the West Bank. Palestinians will be approx 40% of the population then, and it wont be seen as a Jewish state by the rest of the world.

They should push the Arab and Muslim countries to recognize Israel after annexation.

And then through intermarriage get the Palestinians refugees who are outside of Israel/Palestine right now to come back through that way. It will take some time, but Palestinians will eventually be the majority once again in the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.

This is what I think too but Israelis are not dumb.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Resistance.

Until the end of times.

 

[ElRaja]

Push for a one state solution. One man one vote. Israel wont annex Gaza, but they might be able willing to annex the West Bank. Palestinians will be approx 40% of the population then, and it wont be seen as a Jewish state by the rest of the world.

They should push the Arab and Muslim countries to recognize Israel after annexation.

And then through intermarriage get the Palestinians refugees who are outside of Israel/Palestine right now to come back through that way. It will take some time, but Palestinians will eventually be the majority once again in the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.

palestinians should have pushed for a one state solution long ago, i mentioned it here years ago too. palestinians have minimal economic bargaining power as in nation state, however israels own demographic and emmigration trends are significantly weaker than arabs.

its obvious a united isro-palestine would be a majority arab nation in maybe two generations, therefore i think there is no room for this solution now. israel will most likely continue to annex more palestinian land until the vast majority of the west bank arabs are illegal immigrants in israel, thus they can be exploited without political representation for a fair few decades.

 

[PakLFC]

Diplomacy is not gonna work when Israel has the USA, NATO and the UN in it's pocket. Accepting the status quo means giving up more and more of their land. To continue fighting is the only option.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

A Jewish state or a united state one for all state?

One united state for all.

This is what I think too but Israelis are not dumb.

I agree they are not dumb. However dont underestimate greed.

Lebanon was around 80% Christian, however out of greed they added additional Muslim areas of Syria to make "Greater Lebanon". This doubled the size of Lebanon, however it reduced the Christian population to 60%. Today Lebanon is a Muslim majority country.

Their are some Israelis Jews who out of greed will be willing to annex the West Bank, as their will still be a Jewish majority in the land.

Their is no Saladin coming to save the Palestinians. Only way they get their land back is by eventually becoming a majority again.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

palestinians should have pushed for a one state solution long ago, i mentioned it here years ago too. palestinians have minimal economic bargaining power as in nation state, however israels own demographic and emmigration trends are significantly weaker than arabs.

its obvious a united isro-palestine would be a majority arab nation in maybe two generations, therefore i think there is no room for this solution now. israel will most likely continue to annex more palestinian land until the vast majority of the west bank arabs are illegal immigrants in israel, thus they can be exploited without political representation for a fair few decades.

That is their intention. To make life so difficult for the Palestinians that they will leave. Palestinians need to realize that they cant win through violence.

Same way Blacks in South Africa could not defeat the White Afrikaners militarily, through a civil struggle they eventually got their land back.

 

[Giannis]

Keep pushing. Israel is reliant on handouts and military support from the west blessed by Evangelicals. Evangelicalism is dying out and the demographics are changing in the west, Atheists and Catholics are taking over.

 

[gazza619]

Only one option.

Migrate!

 

[gazza619]

Resistance.

Until the end of times.

Easy to say this. I cannot see any more bloodshed. They should look to migrate if possible. Neighbour countries need to step in.

 

[Zaz]

Keep up the struggle Make it as difficult as possible for the zionist entity

They want the palestinians to up and leave They should go nowhere

 

[Giannis]

Easy to say this. I cannot see any more bloodshed. They should look to migrate if possible. Neighbour countries need to step in.

No that's the most ridiculous suggestion and something Netanyahu wants then they can take all the remaining land in Gaza, West Bank and Arab towns in Israel. You don't run away from your problems and most Palestinians have no issues with resisting, they're playing the long game.

 

[Giannis]

Push for a one state solution. One man one vote. Israel wont annex Gaza, but they might be able willing to annex the West Bank. Palestinians will be approx 40% of the population then, and it wont be seen as a Jewish state by the rest of the world.

They should push the Arab and Muslim countries to recognize Israel after annexation.

And then through intermarriage get the Palestinians refugees who are outside of Israel/Palestine right now to come back through that way. It will take some time, but Palestinians will eventually be the majority once again in the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.

A one state wouldn't be Israel, it would be called Palestine.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Armed resistance, education , grow stronger and in the end Muslims will re-conquer the holy land. The number of Muslims and the geogrpahics of the area are simply too much. Israel wouldnt exist but for western military power which is in decline now.

Crusaders lasted nearly a hundred years, but are now figments of history , a bloody evil history they had too.

Why do you say Muslims? It’s Palestinians

Clearly the Arab Muslim neighbors don’t care

 

[Giannis]

Why do you say Muslims? It’s Palestinians

Clearly the Arab Muslim neighbors don’t care

Who says that they don't care. Governments don't represent their people and moreover most of these countries aside from a few gulf countries are poor and either wartorn themselves or are plagued with many other domestic problems.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

there is nothing, it hard not to feel hopeless.

If anything there is more hope that help will come to then from a younger generation in the West then from the muslim world

 

[ElRaja]

That is their intention. To make life so difficult for the Palestinians that they will leave. Palestinians need to realize that they cant win through violence.

id actually disagree on this, around 20% of israeli population is arab muslim (maye 25%or 30% if u count illegals). that represents a signficant proportion of productivity, and the day labourers are uniquely placed demographic as they are usually cheaper and increase israels economic activity.

i would thus suggest that israel would have serious economic issues if it lost israel and palestines muslim populations and thus would rather the muslim of the region stayed, so long as they remain politically disenfranchised.

 

[cricketjoshila]

One united state for all.



I agree they are not dumb. However dont underestimate greed.

Lebanon was around 80% Christian, however out of greed they added additional Muslim areas of Syria to make "Greater Lebanon". This doubled the size of Lebanon, however it reduced the Christian population to 60%. Today Lebanon is a Muslim majority country.

Their are some Israelis Jews who out of greed will be willing to annex the West Bank, as their will still be a Jewish majority in the land.

Their is no Saladin coming to save the Palestinians. Only way they get their land back is by eventually becoming a majority again.

There is no way a non muslim country will agree to any condition that will risk it becoming a muslim majority country. Not in the present situation atleast. They are not fools.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Sitting in their cozy rooms people asking others to engage in violence.

 

[Salman]

As much chance as a native american getting back land from the US government.

 

[Zaz]

Sitting in their cozy rooms people asking others to engage in violence.

Its called resistance my friend

It may be a foreign concept to you but its the right of those oppressed to resist

 

[Markhor]

Confederation.

Nobody has to move anywhere. The 600,000 settlers in the West Bank would be "residents" of the Confederation of Palestine but keep their Israeli citizenship. Both Israelis and Palestinians would vote in their respective national elections.

Security managed by both confederations much like there's security coordination now anyway, ensuring free movement of people and goods. Jerusalem would not need to be divided - it would be a common capital to both confederations.

This is the solution offered by former Israeli Foreign Minister Yossi Beilin and current Israeli President Reuven Rivlin.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/06/29/an-israeli-palestinian-confederation-can-work/
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/12/opinion/israel-palestinian-confederation.html
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/a-c...srael-and-palestine-can-resolve-the-conflict/

 

[Local.Dada]

If you spend too much time here you miss out on the other side of this.

Child soldiers and women used as suicide bombers

Terrorist Attacks in market places and crowded areas

An agenda based on a religious template (mostly a violent interpretation) than actual societal/equal rights.

No real worthwhile or significant contributions to art,culture, economy except for creating religious based violence and nuisance.

Living on handouts and charity.

 

[Robert]

Diplomacy is not gonna work when Israel has the USA, NATO and the UN in it's pocket. Accepting the status quo means giving up more and more of their land. To continue fighting is the only option.

Doesn’t have the UN, which has tried to rein Israel in numerous times, but USA always vetoes the Resolutions.

Bible Belt Senators and Reps need the Born-again Christian vote which is pro-Israel.

 

[Zaz]

No real worthwhile or significant contributions to art,culture, economy except for creating religious based violence and nuisance.

Living on handouts and charity.

You must be acting because someone seriously cant be this dim and uneducated on the matter

The palestinians have no rights, no state, they are living in a apartied state where they are discriminated on daily in every aspect of life, jobs education culture you name it

Charity is something india should be ashamed of receiving for a country that size not palestinians who are stateless and some of the most persecuted people in the world

 

[Mamoon]

The “occupied” lands that we refer to are legally owned by Israel because the Arabs sold themselves to the British.

Moreover, they gained additional territory after they whooped the Arabs in wars.

Palestine cannot scare off one of the most powerful militaries in the world, backed by the most powerful country in the world, with stones and pebbles because of some religious prophecy that they believe in.

Even the Israelis believe that they are God’s chosen people.

The people of Palestine need to think with logic and intelligence. They cannot overpower Israel and if they keep fighting with stones and pebbles, they will keep losing their children and will have no future.

They need to accept and recognize the Israel state and cut down their aggression. It is the only long-term solution.

 

[Mamoon]

Resistance.

Until the end of times.

Its called resistance my friend

It may be a foreign concept to you but its the right of those oppressed to resist

When you will leave your homes to join the Palestinians in their resistance? Considering their situation, they need every man that they can have.

 

[Local.Dada]

You must be acting because someone seriously cant be this dim and uneducated on the matter

The palestinians have no rights, no state, they are living in a apartied state where they are discriminated on daily in every aspect of life, jobs education culture you name it

Charity is something india should be ashamed of receiving for a country that size not palestinians who are stateless and some of the most persecuted people in the world

Speaking of being dim, I hope you understand the difference between charity/help and a handout.

Let me dumb it down for you. If a relative has a medical emergency and doesn’t have the resources then yes you can call it help, charity or whatever. For example a couple of years back I helped out a relative from my extended family financiallyin a medical emergency. That individuals son had some of the amount to cover for it and we all chipped in the rest. No problem at all. Glad I could help.

However when you need money to pretty much keep the stove running, electricity running, roof on your head or basic day to day expenses that is a bigger problem. I don’t want to explain to you whom I am talking about especially when we are talking about comprehension and intelligence.

Now coming to what I said, can you off the top of your head name some great Palestinians who contributed to the world. Please don’t refer to some warlord in 1200 AD.

By the way I don’t support innocents dying regardless of who they are. However the narrative that Isrealis are harming innocent and docile Palestinians is also dumb. Don’t know how to say this in Arabic or Turkish but will try in Urdu/Hindi

“taali dono haat se bajti hai”

 

[Zaz]

Speaking of being dim, I hope you understand the difference between charity/help and a handout.

Let me dumb it down for you. If a relative has a medical emergency and doesn’t have the resources then yes you can call it help, charity or whatever. For example a couple of years back I helped out a relative from my extended family financiallyin a medical emergency. That individuals son had some of the amount to cover for it and we all chipped in the rest. No problem at all. Glad I could help.

However when you need money to pretty much keep the stove running, electricity running, roof on your head or basic day to day expenses that is a bigger problem. I don’t want to explain to you whom I am talking about especially when we are talking about comprehension and intelligence.

Now coming to what I said, can you off the top of your head name some great Palestinians who contributed to the world. Please don’t refer to some warlord in 1200 AD.

By the way I don’t support innocents dying regardless of who they are. However the narrative that Isrealis are harming innocent and docile Palestinians is also dumb. Don’t know how to say this in Arabic or Turkish but will try in Urdu/Hindi

“taali dono haat se bajti hai”

So you think this is a clash and conflict of equals?

What part of the words occupied, oppressed, aparthied people do you not understand?

Maybe then i can explain this to you in simple terms whicb you may understand

This is what you dont get there is no taali in this issue because like you said do hatoon say hoti hai, ek haath say nahin

 

[Zaz]

When you will leave your homes to join the Palestinians in their resistance? Considering their situation, they need every man that they can have.

The same time when you head over to your beloved hindustan Maybe help with the shamshaans there After all they need every medical support they can get with whats going on there

 

[street cricketer]

As someone who doesn't know a great deal about the conflict and not especially invested in the conflict either due to cultural or religious reasons, it's been fascinating reading the origins of the conflict from an outsider pov. As I understand, the area in contention is supposed to be the holy land for all the three Abrahamic religions - Judaism, Christianity and Islam, all three religions very similar in roots and even the message to a large extent.

So I gather that the Jews initially had a beef running with the Christians and the Christians took control of the land from the Jews who in turn got the land taken away from them by the muslims. This angered the Christians and started the Crusades in a bid to regain their holy pilgrim sites and failed.

So is the modern state of Israel a way for the Christian west (although most of the west is irreligious) to get back at the muslims for the crusades and what we're seeing is really a continuation of the Crusades in modern history? Damn I'm starting to talk like [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

As someone who doesn't know a great deal about the conflict and not especially invested in the conflict either due to cultural or religious reasons, it's been fascinating reading the origins of the conflict from an outsider pov. As I understand, the area in contention is supposed to be the holy land for all the three Abrahamic religions - Judaism, Christianity and Islam, all three religions very similar in roots and even the message to a large extent.

So I gather that the Jews initially had a beef running with the Christians and the Christians took control of the land from the Jews who in turn got the land taken away from them by the muslims. This angered the Christians and started the Crusades in a bid to regain their holy pilgrim sites and failed.

So is the modern state of Israel a way for the Christian west (although most of the west is irreligious) to get back at the muslims for the crusades and what we're seeing is really a continuation of the Crusades in modern history? Damn I'm starting to talk like [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

Crusades never officially ended...

Following the Battle of Maysalun (1920), Gouraud reportedly went to the Tomb of Saladin, kicked it, and said: Awake, Saladin. We have returned. My presence here consecrates the victory of the Cross over the Crescent."

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Easy to say this. I cannot see any more bloodshed. They should look to migrate if possible. Neighbour countries need to step in.

Human will can be fickle as a feather or can shake the foundation of earth.

No one wants to see any bloodshed. But I don't see any country accepting Palestinian migrants. Neighboring countries have their own problems/wars.

Only realistic solution for Palestinians is to keep on resisting against invaders.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Its called resistance my friend

It may be a foreign concept to you but its the right of those oppressed to resist

Its terrorism. Most major countries around the world consider Hamas as a terrorist organisation.

Its amusing how the same people who think terrorist Hamas are resistance, think terrorists in Kashmir are freedom fighters.

 

[Jadz]

When you will leave your homes to join the Palestinians in their resistance? Considering their situation, they need every man that they can have.

Muslims should have established a NATO-like military entity a long time ago, so that they could mobilize their armed forces in joint campaigns, to protect and defend Muslims being slaughtered by warmongers, aggressors, wrongdoers. They should also have created an EU-type political organization to protect the interests of Muslims everywhere and to project their peaceful aims.

It is easy to kill Muslims, attack, bomb, occupy, destroy their nations because they are so divided, because they revel in killing each other - because they cannot ever attain a modicum of unity.

If only Arab/Muslim leaders were as brave as this Irish politician -

https://twitter.com/nickystar911/status/1392541516229394436

 

[cricketjoshila]

The same time when you head over to your beloved hindustan Maybe help with the shamshaans there After all they need every medical support they can get with whats going on there

I don't know why pakistanis are talking about the medical help India got? Not one cent was taken from Pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Muslims should have established a NATO-like military entity a long time ago, so that they could mobilize their armed forces in joint campaigns, to protect and defend Muslims being slaughtered by warmongers, aggressors, wrongdoers. They should also have created an EU-type political organization to protect the interests of Muslims everywhere and to project their peaceful aims.

It is easy to kill Muslims, attack, bomb, occupy, destroy their nations because they are so divided, because they revel in killing each other - because they cannot ever attain a modicum of unity.

If only Arab/Muslim leaders were as brave as this Irish politician -

https://twitter.com/nickystar911/status/1392541516229394436

NATO is a military entity because they have the economic power, the scientific resources to invent and produce weapons and much more. Most muslim nations lack that.


Muslims are sadly in conflict with many non muslims. With Buddhists, with christians, with hindus, with jews. The reasons are both political and religious.


Do you condemn the Muslim acts of attacking, killing people and conquering lands? Because many here take them as their heroes.

 

[Zaz]

Its terrorism. Most major countries around the world consider Hamas as a terrorist organisation.

Its amusing how the same people who think terrorist Hamas are resistance, think terrorists in Kashmir are freedom fighters.

Only a illegal occupier like india or indians would think subjugating people terrorising them and violating their humanity is fine and when they fight back they are the terrorists to justify their babarity

 

[Zaz]

I don't know why pakistanis are talking about the medical help India got? Not one cent was taken from Pakistan.

Its a free forum Like you can talk about this topic pakistanis are free to talk about india and the chaos going on there

 

[cricketjoshila]

Only a illegal occupier like india or indians would think subjugating people terrorising them and violating their humanity is fine and when they fight back they are the terrorists to justify their babarity

US UK EU all consider Hamas and Kashmiri terrorist organisation as terrorist organisations.

Israel has as much right to exist as any other country.

 

[Zaz]

US UK EU all consider Hamas and Kashmiri terrorist organisation as terrorist organisations.

Israel has as much right to exist as any other country.

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter

Anyway internationally these settlements are illegal and israel is an occupier which has commited many war crimes and broken numrrous UN resolutions

Its only because of usa who veto every motion the status quo remains

Would you say those thay resisted the british in india were terrorists too?

 

[guna]

Palestinians should join Israel and live as one nation. Armed resistance is futile. They are in no way to fight Israel. Not even entire Arab world can take down Israel. They are in a different league.

The greatest benefit that Palestinians can get from joining Israel is access to latest and greatest tech, healthcare and education. They will see great improvement in life.

 

[guna]

Muslims should have established a NATO-like military entity a long time ago, so that they could mobilize their armed forces in joint campaigns, to protect and defend Muslims being slaughtered by warmongers, aggressors, wrongdoers. They should also have created an EU-type political organization to protect the interests of Muslims everywhere and to project their peaceful aims.

It is easy to kill Muslims, attack, bomb, occupy, destroy their nations because they are so divided, because they revel in killing each other - because they cannot ever attain a modicum of unity.

If only Arab/Muslim leaders were as brave as this Irish politician -

https://twitter.com/nickystar911/status/1392541516229394436

To form a Nato like organization, you need to have modern tech and intelligence to go along with it. Muslim countries are so backward that it is laughable to even mention them in the same league as Western nations in Nato.

 

[ahsan17]

I don't know why pakistanis are talking about the medical help India got? Not one cent was taken from Pakistan.

Everytime you mock Pakistan about bailouts, are you implying Pakistan got bailout from India? No? Then your point is moot.

 

[Mamoon]

Muslims should have established a NATO-like military entity a long time ago, so that they could mobilize their armed forces in joint campaigns, to protect and defend Muslims being slaughtered by warmongers, aggressors, wrongdoers. They should also have created an EU-type political organization to protect the interests of Muslims everywhere and to project their peaceful aims.

It is easy to kill Muslims, attack, bomb, occupy, destroy their nations because they are so divided, because they revel in killing each other - because they cannot ever attain a modicum of unity.

If only Arab/Muslim leaders were as brave as this Irish politician -

https://twitter.com/nickystar911/status/1392541516229394436

There is no point in blaming Zionists, because Israel was created because of the greed and cowardice of Arab leaders who sold themselves to the British.

Ironically, in spite of the concept of ummah, the Muslim community is the most disjointed nation on earth. It’s unity diminished after the death of the Holy Prophet PBUH because the politics within the Muslim community started as early as the Rashidun Caliphate.

The failure of the Egyptian President Nasser’s UAR, which furthered consolidated Israel’s hold, showed that a NATO-like alliance within the Muslim world was not possible.

 

[Giannis]

Palestinians should join Israel and live as one nation. Armed resistance is futile. They are in no way to fight Israel. Not even entire Arab world can take down Israel. They are in a different league.

The greatest benefit that Palestinians can get from joining Israel is access to latest and greatest tech, healthcare and education. They will see great improvement in life.

They actually can if Israel wasn't recieving support from Western countries - arms and money. Israel is not invicible but the global system around it protects it.

 

[Giannis]

To form a Nato like organization, you need to have modern tech and intelligence to go along with it. Muslim countries are so backward that it is laughable to even mention them in the same league as Western nations in Nato.

Ironic coming from an Indian There are plenty of Muslim countries with very advanced and well train militaries - Turkey, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia are a few, Iran used to be good before sanctions. No ones even saying that a defense alliance for Muslim countries has to be anything like NATO, you're making up false qualfiers which aren't even relevant to the discussion

 

[Mamoon]

The same time when you head over to your beloved hindustan Maybe help with the shamshaans there After all they need every medical support they can get with whats going on there

There is no shortage of qualified doctors in India. Indian doctors, along with Pakistani doctors, are among the most knowledgeable and competent in the world. The COVID crisis India, just like the COVID situation in Pakistan, has nothing to do with the competency (or lack of) in both countries.

However, Palestine is clearly short on man power. Their resistance is proving to be futile because they lack numbers and resources.

Considering the fact that they are in desperate need of help, why don’t you and others like you, who want the Palestinians to continue to shed blood and resist with stones and sticks, go to Palestine and partake in this jihad?

But obviously you and others do not have the courage to put their money where their mouth is, and this is the reason why the Palestinian cause is a busted tyre and there is no hope for them.

They only have armchair supporters like you and others who are unwilling to do anything practical.

The majority of the Muslim states have forged strong ties with Israel while the likes of Pakistan who are still thumping their chests are only offering verbal support and do not have the courage to confront Israel.

 

[Giannis]

Confederation.

Nobody has to move anywhere. The 600,000 settlers in the West Bank would be "residents" of the Confederation of Palestine but keep their Israeli citizenship. Both Israelis and Palestinians would vote in their respective national elections.

Security managed by both confederations much like there's security coordination now anyway, ensuring free movement of people and goods. Jerusalem would not need to be divided - it would be a common capital to both confederations.

This is the solution offered by former Israeli Foreign Minister Yossi Beilin and current Israeli President Reuven Rivlin.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/06/29/an-israeli-palestinian-confederation-can-work/
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/12/opinion/israel-palestinian-confederation.html
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/a-c...srael-and-palestine-can-resolve-the-conflict/

So the 600,000 Isr*elis squatting on Palestinian homes should be allowed to stay there? That is ridicilous, all the settlers should be evicted and should pay compensation to the peoples whose homes that stole and destroyed. Of course Israeli politicians would love this idea of a "confederation".

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

If you spend too much time here you miss out on the other side of this.

Child soldiers and women used as suicide bombers

Terrorist Attacks in market places and crowded areas

An agenda based on a religious template (mostly a violent interpretation) than actual societal/equal rights.

No real worthwhile or significant contributions to art,culture, economy except for creating religious based violence and nuisance.

Living on handouts and charity.

If you are saying it’s an agenda based on religion for Palestinians then you have ZERO understand of the conflict. Like none at all. It’s embarrassing

 

[Zaz]

There is no shortage of qualified doctors in India. Indian doctors, along with Pakistani doctors, are among the most knowledgeable and competent in the world. The COVID crisis India, just like the COVID situation in Pakistan, has nothing to do with the competency (or lack of) in both countries

Theres definitely a shortage In doctors medical supplies hospital beds oxygen

People are dying in the street and being thrown into the ganges Your clearly not worried about the palestinians then why are you posting about them

Head over the border my friend n put where your money where your mouth is

Help the besieged there Im sure you ll be welcomed there with open arms

 

[Giannis]

US UK EU all consider Hamas and Kashmiri terrorist organisation as terrorist organisations.

Israel has as much right to exist as any other country.

IRA and PKK are also classed as terrorist organizations, so were the Indian-backed LTTE and BLA/BRA.

 

[Giannis]

There is no shortage of qualified doctors in India. Indian doctors, along with Pakistani doctors, are among the most knowledgeable and competent in the world. The COVID crisis India, just like the COVID situation in Pakistan, has nothing to do with the competency (or lack of) in both countries.

However, Palestine is clearly short on man power. Their resistance is proving to be futile because they lack numbers and resources.

Considering the fact that they are in desperate need of help, why don’t you and others like you, who want the Palestinians to continue to shed blood and resist with stones and sticks, go to Palestine and partake in this jihad?

But obviously you and others do not have the courage to put their money where their mouth is, and this is the reason why the Palestinian cause is a busted tyre and there is no hope for them.

They only have armchair supporters like you and others who are unwilling to do anything practical.

The majority of the Muslim states have forged strong ties with Israel while the likes of Pakistan who are still thumping their chests are only offering verbal support and do not have the courage to confront Israel.

Which countries are part of the "great majority"? Can you stop lying in Ramadan at least

 

[Markhor]

So the 600,000 Isr*elis squatting on Palestinian homes should be allowed to stay there? That is ridicilous, all the settlers should be evicted and should pay compensation to the peoples whose homes that stole and destroyed. Of course Israeli politicians would love this idea of a "confederation".

Sorry but one has to live in the real world and no Israeli PM will force 600K settlers out of the West Bank in any peace deal. The settler lobby in Israeli politics are too powerful now.

Ariel Sharon evicted the settlers in Gaza in 2005 but that involved only a tiny fraction of the numbers in the West Bank.

 

[Giannis]

Sorry but one has to live in the real world and no Israeli PM will force 600K settlers out of the West Bank in any peace deal. The settler lobby in Israeli politics are too powerful now.

Ariel Sharon evicted the settlers in Gaza in 2005 but that involved only a tiny fraction of the numbers in the West Bank.

You think the Israeli government is the only party in this conflict? You're acting like any Palestinian leader would agree to keep squatters, anti-settler politics are are also too powerful in the Palestinian community.

 

[Mamoon]

Which countries are part of the "great majority"? Can you stop lying in Ramadan at least

This graphic means nothing. You are really naive if you think only a select few Muslim states are developing ties with Israel.

A lot of developments are happening behind closed doors as well, for example, between KSA and Israel. It would be laughable to suggest that KSA does not “recognize” Israel considering their shared interests against Iran and Turkey.

The UAE also recognized Israel.

The major Muslim players are supporting Israel and will do nothing about the sufferings of Palestine because it serves their interests.

Israel will not lose sleep because of the opposition of an irrelevant country like Pakistan which is in deep shambles and surviving on loans and handouts.

Besides, Pakistan will never muster the courage to control Israel to a major extent (apart from hiding behind Turkey for now) because Pakistan’s daddy, China, has billions of dollars worth of trade with Israel.

 

[Mamoon]

Theres definitely a shortage In doctors medical supplies hospital beds oxygen

People are dying in the street and being thrown into the ganges Your clearly not worried about the palestinians then why are you posting about them

Head over the border my friend n put where your money where your mouth is

Help the besieged there Im sure you ll be welcomed there with open arms

I do not care about the COVID situation in India. I am not Indian and it is not my concern. You will not see me posting in the relevant threads and showing concern about the situation there because frankly speaking, it has no relevance to me.

On the other hand, you are very vocal about how much you support the Palestinian cause. You are vocal about how Palestine should continue to resist with stones and sticks.

Moreover, you also claimed in another thread that you have had enough of the western media’s double-standards. So what are you going to do about it?

You clearly do not have the courage to fight for the Palestinians and you also do not have the courage to leave the UK and not pay taxes to your government, the same government that created Israel and is a strong ally.

What good is your armchair support for Palestine? It is good for nothing, and this why the Palestinian cause is so weak. It has no tangible support and help.

 

[guna]

Ironic coming from an Indian There are plenty of Muslim countries with very advanced and well train militaries - Turkey, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia are a few, Iran used to be good before sanctions. No ones even saying that a defense alliance for Muslim countries has to be anything like NATO, you're making up false qualfiers which aren't even relevant to the discussion

Turkey-Pakistan-Saudis alliance will be useless and no one cares about them. All these 3 countries buy outdated tech from the West to fill up their ammunition. Only TLP supporters in their mind would think that it would be some world beating alliance.

I mentioned Nato becasue I was answering to the person who mentioned it first. Read whom I quoted in the reply before you get agitated.

 

[guna]

They actually can if Israel wasn't recieving support from Western countries - arms and money. Israel is not invicible but the global system around it protects it.

You need to understand global politics. Israel will always have USA support. Its a given. No point in saying that if USA wasn't or UK wasn't helping Israel. The reality is that Israel will run circles around Arab nations if it comes to war. It will be like an NBA player crossing over a 50 year old Desi bank employee uncle. It will not be pretty.

 

[Stewie]

Hamas is actually Israeli puppet, they are using it to maintain the facade of “Palestinian terrorism”

The solution is diplomatic, like so many already said. A one state solution where they all live as equals, since nobody wants to budge.

 

[moghul]

This isnt the 12 century anymore, the only way they will get there lands back is diplomatically.

any means of resistance will not only get crushed but Palestine will lose more land and in the end be wiped out completely with the few remaining muslims relocating to egypt and other places.

Arab countries were supposed to be Palestinians supporters, even they have shown little interest in makin g life better for them. One by one, they are now in bed with Israel . Jews control USA and other western countries.

Western countries for there own interest spreading the slogan "black lives matter" but not any other lives, whether its Palestinian lives , Afghan or Kashmiri lives.

Time for people of Palestine to concede the defeat.

 

[Zaz]

Hamas is actually Israeli puppet, they are using it to maintain the facade of “Palestinian terrorism”

The solution is diplomatic, like so many already said. A one state solution where they all live as equals, since nobody wants to budge.

Theres no way palestinians will get same rights or equals as the jews in one united country What makes you think they will?

They ll always be discriminated against and be treated like 2nd class citizens

Fact is israel considers them inferior beings and pests This isnt going to change now even if they admit defeat

 

[Major]

What do we mean by occupied lands? Because the ottoman empire lost land due to its involvement in the ww1 which the british gave it to the jews.

Or is it the 1960 lands?

While this isnt really pakistans matter nor does it concern them,
But palestine needs to negotiate with israel as like it or not, israel holds the status qou.

I think for negotiations to take place, palestine would have to stop Hamas, as it does more damage tha any good. I find it funny when i see support for Hamas by Pakistanis on social media.

I think in the early 90s, negotiations did take place between the israelis and palastenians befire hanas started attacking.

I dont think two nation is possible as conflict will still exists due to israeli land ecisting between west bank and gaza.

Anyways, shouldnt be our concerns especially the fact that how arabs look down upon us, yet we want to kiss up to them just because of shared religion

 

[Zaz]

What do we mean by occupied lands? Because the ottoman empire lost land due to its involvement in the ww1 which the british gave it to the jews.

Or is it the 1960 lands?

While this isnt really pakistans matter nor does it concern them,
But palestine needs to negotiate with israel as like it or not, israel holds the status qou.

I think for negotiations to take place, palestine would have to stop Hamas, as it does more damage tha any good. I find it funny when i see support for Hamas by Pakistanis on social media.

I think in the early 90s, negotiations did take place between the israelis and palastenians befire hanas started attacking.

I dont think two nation is possible as conflict will still exists due to israeli land ecisting between west bank and gaza.

Anyways, shouldnt be our concerns especially the fact that how arabs look down upon us, yet we want to kiss up to them just because of shared religion

Your confusing the gulf arabs with the palestinians They dont look down on the pakistanis

Also hamas didnt have anything to do with the peacetalks breaking down in the 90s Their activities only came to major prominence in the 2000s

You need to read up more on the history of the conflict before commenting

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Hamas is actually Israeli puppet, they are using it to maintain the facade of “Palestinian terrorism”

The solution is diplomatic, like so many already said. A one state solution where they all live as equals, since nobody wants to budge.

A considerable number of Muslim Arabs live within Israel.

Now the question is, how are these people living? How are they treated by Zionists?

I assume not very good. Except maybe a rich minority.

A one state solutions depends on how many compromises are Palestinian people willing to make.

Hamas are fighting a losing battle. If anything, they are hitting well above their weight.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

What do we mean by occupied lands?

Occupying for settlements in West Bank which is for Palestinians

 

[Romali_rotti]

To the OP:

In Reality, Palestinians have no options, no nothing, they will just get slammed.

In Fantasy, Palestinians have the Pakistan and their holy Islamic army.

 

[PakLFC]

Doesn’t have the UN, which has tried to rein Israel in numerous times, but USA always vetoes the Resolutions.

Bible Belt Senators and Reps need the Born-again Christian vote which is pro-Israel.

Here was I thinking the UN is an extension of the USA!

 

[sindhiboy]

Someone said Palestinians should migrate to gulf Arab countries as they have alot of space. Israel should fund their migration. The argument put forth is Seeing as there is no hope from the terrorist state of Israel, its better to save Palestinian lives.

Not sure if this is feasible

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

NATO is a military entity because they have the economic power, the scientific resources to invent and produce weapons and much more. Most muslim nations lack that.


Muslims are sadly in conflict with many non muslims. With Buddhists, with christians, with hindus, with jews. The reasons are both political and religious.


Do you condemn the Muslim acts of attacking, killing people and conquering lands? Because many here take them as their heroes.

Muslims in the modern era are not conquering any land. If you referring to centuries ago, everyone did it.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Someone said Palestinians should migrate to gulf Arab countries as they have alot of space. Israel should fund their migration. The argument put forth is Seeing as there is no hope from the terrorist state of Israel, its better to save Palestinian lives.

Not sure if this is feasible

It might be feasible, but the Palestinians are not going anywhere. They will be the majority one day.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

What do we mean by occupied lands? Because the ottoman empire lost land due to its involvement in the ww1 which the british gave it to the jews.

Or is it the 1960 lands?

For most people occupied lands refer to land taken in 67, where Israel controls the territory, but the Palestinians dont have the right to vote.

They are keeping in them limbo. If they annex the land then they will be an apartheid state unless they give them citizenship. If they give citizenship, then its no longer a Jewish State.

Also Palestinians have support all across the world. Its not reserved to Pakistanis or Muslims.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

An agenda based on a religious template (mostly a violent interpretation) than actual societal/equal rights.

Palestinians dont claim the land because they believe God gave it to them. Thats the other side who says God gave them the land, and they allegedly had ancestors who lived there 2,000 years ago.

The Palestinian claim is that they were the overwhelming majority in the land.

1922 census of Palestine conducted by British - Jewish Population 11%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1922_census_of_Palestine

Ottoman census of 1878 - Jewish population 5%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)#Late_Ottoman_period

They did not ask people from Europe, who looked European, spoke European languages, had a European culture to immigrate there.

 

[street cricketer]

IRA and PKK are also classed as terrorist organizations, so were the Indian-backed LTTE and BLA/BRA.

Yet many Pakistanis consider the Hamas and Kashmiri militants as "freedom fighters" while militants from the above groups as "terrorists". So let's agree it all depends on which side of the line you stand.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Its called resistance my friend

It may be a foreign concept to you but its the right of those oppressed to resist

Shouldn't be that foreign a concept to him for obvious reasons.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I don't see any solution in the near future. The closest chance to ever achieving a two-state solution was nipped in the bud after Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated. It showed above all, that Israelis, the majority of whom are hardliners want to wipe Palestine off the face of the earth. They are not interested in any two-state solution.