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"When it's 13-0 or 10-1, it's not a rivalry anymore": Suryakumar Yadav

Do you agree with Suryakumar Yadav when he says that the India-Pakistan rivalry is no more?

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I think NO... Indo-pak rivalry is not going anywhere... Surya was just giving a diplomatic statement to make his countrymen happy..
 
Don't really see much of rivalry anymore, it's usually a one sided contest. Pakistan cricket overall has really declined in past 5-10 years so no surprise, they are bad in most toruaments and turn into mental midgets against India.... Atleast learn something from our airforcehow to take on India :afridi or from our past cricket team who used to make a meal out of Indian team just for fun during 80s-00s.

India is no Australia, they hav never and they will never be so just play good cricket and you will likely beat them
 
This India Pakistan rivalry is dead. BCCI gets peanuts. This is just cope

There is a reason BCCI insists on Ind vs Pak not Ind vs Aus or Ind vs Eng at all ICC events
 
After Surya Kumar yadav now Hockey star Hardik Singh drops bold remark

'India-Pakistan competition no longer exists'

India is well ahead of Pakistan and there is no competition between us.

:klopp :kp
 
MP2011 said:
I'm no fan of Sky, far from it.

But if someone who was ranked no.1 in T20 rankings for a longish period of time, is a fraud, what'll you call Pakistani batsmen?
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Even rizwan was no 1 batsman in rankings....these rankings are as useless as surya kumar
 
Devadwal said:
After Surya Kumar yadav now Hockey star Hardik Singh drops bold remark

'India-Pakistan competition no longer exists'

India is well ahead of Pakistan and there is no competition between us.

:klopp :kp
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So, when one team dominates the other for a few matches, does the rivalry become extinct? Even in hockey, Pakistan still leads the head-to-head record, although India has performed better in recent encounters. Does that mean the rivalry has ended in hockey also? :inti
 
Katwalindian said:
Even rizwan was no 1 batsman in rankings....these rankings are as useless as surya kumar
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Lol.

Sky: No.1 T20 batsman from October 2022 until June 2024

Rizwan: No.1 T20 batsman from September 7, 2022 until September 28, 2022,

A grand total of 3 weeks! What a no.1 batsmen!

And I've not yet mentioned difference in their strike rates!
 
Surya was right all along. There is no rivalry. Even the 90s which Pakistan keep referring to it was 28-19 record with India losing many close matches. This last 3-4 years has been complete dominance from India. India has that rivalry with Australia now. Nobody in India cares about India-Pakistan anymore.
 
ONE-SIDED AFFAIR

India vs Pakistan head-to-head in T20Is

Matches - 16
India won - 13
PAK won - 3

An astonishing win % of 81.3 for India

:kp
 
It’s still a rivalry and still engaging specially in T20 formats recently.

2021 WT20 match (Pak won for a change)
Followed by
2022 Asia Cup (both t20 games)
2022 WT20 match
2024 WT20 match
2025 Asia Cup final

They all have been close matches.
 
Record might be skewed towards India but in T20s quite a few matches that Pakistan had no business losing.... ICC should investigate:wa
 
Devadwal said:
ONE-SIDED AFFAIR

India vs Pakistan head-to-head in T20Is

Matches - 16
India won - 13
PAK won - 3

An astonishing win % of 81.3 for India

:kp
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Overall number will be overhauled by India by end of this decade I feel. Its 79-88 in cricket or will it be hockey where the record stands at 67-82.

Last 10 years:
Cricket: Its 15-3
Hockey: Its 16-0 with 2 draws
 
starpain said:
It’s still a rivalry and still engaging specially in T20 formats recently.

2021 WT20 match (Pak won for a change)
Followed by
2022 Asia Cup (both t20 games)
2022 WT20 match
2024 WT20 match
2025 Asia Cup final

They all have been close matches.
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Even the mighty Aussie team had close matches with minnows and lesser teams many times. That doesn't make any team their rival. They still won all their matches
 
Suryakumar Yadav said, “I’ll again say rivalry is when the competition is neck to neck. 11-0 is not a rivalry. If our women's team focuses on playing good cricket, it will be 12-0”.

:kp
 
Devadwal said:
Suryakumar Yadav said, “I’ll again say rivalry is when the competition is neck to neck. 11-0 is not a rivalry. If our women's team focuses on playing good cricket, it will be 12-0”.

:kp
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Where did he say this now? Is it today?
 
Sachin fan said:
Even the mighty Aussie team had close matches with minnows and lesser teams many times. That doesn't make any team their rival. They still won all their matches
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Aussie is not a mighty t20 team

Only mighty odi team
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
So, when one team dominates the other for a few matches, does the rivalry become extinct? Even in hockey, Pakistan still leads the head-to-head record, although India has performed better in recent encounters. Does that mean the rivalry has ended in hockey also? :inti
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Not just performed better

Total domination by India in hockey

Some absurd 16 wins 0 losses or something vs Pakistan
 
kron said:
Not just performed better

Total domination by India in hockey

Some absurd 16 wins 0 losses or something vs Pakistan
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The hockey rivalry has well and truly ended. Bcoz Pakistan does not even qualify for WC or Olympics. Its basically a no-contest

Cricket rivalry will remain as we keep getting WC and Asia Cup matches. And some of these T20 games are pretty close like the Asia Cup final or the 2022 MCG game.
 
Though SKY has been behaving like a low class bhakt in recent past , he is partially right , IND is far ahead atm ....
 
kron said:
Aussie is not a mighty t20 team

Only mighty odi team
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Yes I was talking about the Aussie all time great ODI and test team of the 2000s. They were the greatest ever but that doesn't mean they didn't have close games.
 
NishanKonar said:
The hockey rivalry has well and truly ended. Bcoz Pakistan does not even qualify for WC or Olympics. Its basically a no-contest

Cricket rivalry will remain as we keep getting WC and Asia Cup matches. And some of these T20 games are pretty close like the Asia Cup final or the 2022 MCG game.
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Lol at pretty close Asia cup final. Just because they didn't keep hitting as target was close, doesn't mean the game was close.

If the target was even 30 runs more, they could have easily hit before and chased it with samson and Axar still to come

They just chased comfortably by going slower.
 
Sachin fan said:
Lol at pretty close Asia cup final. Just because they didn't keep hitting as target was close, doesn't mean the game was close.

If the target was even 30 runs more, they could have easily hit before and chased it with samson and Axar still to come

They just chased comfortably by going slower.
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Samson was already out though. Axar was still in the dugout.
 
bunda_bindaas said:
Samson was already out though. Axar was still in the dugout.
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Was the match close? I'd say it was sufficiently close but not a nailbiter.

10 runs in the last over -- you'd place your bets on the side batting with 5 wickets in the bag.

It'd take a Bumrah 'special' to defend that kind of score in the final over. That doesn't really happen that often.

So the odds were against Pakistan, for sure. Their bowlers just couldn't break through after the initial burst.

The main wicket takers, Shaheen and Abrar were pretty much ineffective, despite a good ER for Shaheen, because there was no way Pakistan were going to defend 146 against India's batting line up.

The Pakistani batting line up did a spectacular choke job but the bowling failed too.

That's the problem with stuffing the team with too many all rounders (so-called all rounders, rather). You weaken your bowling, although I doubt there were bowlers on the bench who could have taken wickets had they played instead.
 
bunda_bindaas said:
Was the match close? I'd say it was sufficiently close but not a nailbiter.

10 runs in the last over -- you'd place your bets on the side batting with 5 wickets in the bag.

It'd take a Bumrah 'special' to defend that kind of score in the final over. That doesn't really happen that often.

So the odds were against Pakistan, for sure. Their bowlers just couldn't break through after the initial burst.

The main wicket takers, Shaheen and Abrar were pretty much ineffective, despite a good ER for Shaheen, because there was no way Pakistan were going to defend 146 against India's batting line up.

The Pakistani batting line up did a spectacular choke job but the bowling failed too.

That's the problem with stuffing the team with too many all rounders (so-called all rounders, rather). You weaken your bowling, although I doubt there were bowlers on the bench who could have taken wickets had they played instead.
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Ultimate blame for the defeat goes to the batsmen for losing 9 wickets for 33 runs. The captain made a mistake by not persisting with spin when the wicket aided it but Rauf was the biggest culprit, he failed at his job in the death overs.

India is a batting powerhouse and 9 times out of 10 they will chase targets. The only chance I will give the Pakistani team of achieving an upset if they have to chase against the Indian team. Our two T20 wins against the Indian team have occurred via chasing in Dubai under lights and dew.
 
Savak said:
Ultimate blame for the defeat goes to the batsmen for losing 9 wickets for 33 runs. The captain made a mistake by not persisting with spin when the wicket aided it but Rauf was the biggest culprit, he failed at his job in the death overs.

India is a batting powerhouse and 9 times out of 10 they will chase targets. The only chance I will give the Pakistani team of achieving an upset if they have to chase against the Indian team. Our two T20 wins against the Indian team have occurred via chasing in Dubai under lights and dew.
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Yes, if the bowling can contain the Indian batting, then it's definitely a good strategy.

But if the game against SL was of any indication, a big enough score on the board would have caused added pressure while chasing. There wasn't too much dew to count on as well.

Pakistan took out SL and BD's best batsmen early (Nissanka and Saif Hassan) and eventually won the game. They took out 3 Indian top-order batsmen, including the guy who was the highest scorer in the tournament, but still fell short.

That, ultimately, was the difference. The other teams were not balanced enough, while India's was, to a much greater extent.

Having too many part-timers also didn't help.
 
bunda_bindaas said:
Yes, if the bowling can contain the Indian batting, then it's definitely a good strategy.

But if the game against SL was of any indication, a big enough score on the board would have caused added pressure while chasing. There wasn't too much dew to count on as well.

Pakistan took out SL and BD's best batsmen early (Nissanka and Saif Hassan) and eventually won the game. They took out 3 Indian top-order batsmen, including the guy who was the highest scorer in the tournament, but still fell short.

That, ultimately, was the difference. The other teams were not balanced enough, while India's was, to a much greater extent.

Having too many part-timers also didn't help.
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India was the most imbalanced side in terms of combination in the Asia cup..it went with only one genuine fast bowler in Bumrah with Shivam Dube opening the bowling is itself a huge gamble..It didn't work in our favour as they had built a huge opening partnership..one of our opening batsman is a mediocre T20 player and selected based on some favouritism and as expected he didn't do anything great in the games..we had a wk batter who was forced to play in a position where he had never played before and also got limited opportunities through out the series..And he lost his flamboyance even though he played some crucial innings..we had dropped out no 1 ranked fast bowler to play another fast bowler who was not in his prime form post his injuries..we have a captain who didn't perform well post his captaincy..we had added a player to the line up in the final who didn't even get a chance to bat the whole tournament..we had overall went in with a disaster recipe and still won the game almost convincingly barring the initial hiccups..that shows how worst the opposition is..any top sides team would have exploited our weaknesses..however the fake rival pakistan just played like they were destined to loss this match even though they had various advantages during the game..this is not rivalry..mere residue of the finished rivalry.
 
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chakdeindian said:
India was the most imbalanced side in terms of combination in the Asia cup..it went with only one genuine fast bowler in Bumrah with Shivam Dube opening the bowling is itself a huge gamble..It didn't work in our favour as they had built a huge opening partnership..one of our opening batsman is a mediocre T20 player and selected based on some favouritism and as expected he didn't do anything great in the games..we had a wk batter who was forced to play in a position where he had never played before and also got limited opportunities through out the series..And he lost his flamboyance even though he played some crucial innings..we had dropped out no 1 ranked fast bowler to play another fast bowler who was not in his prime form post his injuries..we have a captain who didn't perform well post his captaincy..we had added a player to the line up in the final who didn't even get a chance to bat the whole tournament..we had overall went in with a disaster recipe and still won the game almost convincingly barring the initial hiccups..that shows how worst the opposition is..any top sides team would have exploited our weaknesses..however the fake rival pakistan just played like they were destined to loss this match even though they had various advantages during the game..this is not rivalry..mere residue of the finished rivalry.
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India went with 1 fast bowler because of the pitches. They opted for 3 specialist spinners instead. Shivam Dube opened the bowling because of Hardik's injury.

The "mediocre" T20 opener has a SR of 141 in T20Is, higher than any player's from Pakistan or any other side in the Asia Cup.

If Sanju Samson is that great a player, he should have no problem in batting in the middle order.

SKY was out of form and should not have played at #3, I agree.

Rinku Singh was added, again, because of Hardik's injury. Circumstances forced that change.

Pakistan went in with a lot of all rounders and only 3 specialist bowlers, out of which, one had a completely off day. A part-timer did well but still, their main bowlers could not take more than 2 wickets. That was on top of losing 9 wickets for 33 runs.

There is no way a team comes back from that position against a batting lineup like India's.
 
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