When Pakistan is attacked, do the Palestinians and Arab nations support Pakistan?

[Shah]

When Israel attacks Palestine, Pakistanis march on the streets, donate money to Palestine, Pakistan's leaders make statements condemning Israel, etc.

When Pakistan is attacked by India, do the Palestinians and Arab nations support Pakistan? On the contrary, Palestine, Syria, Egypt, Iraq and many other Arab nations openly support India.

What is wrong with this picture?

 

[PakLFC]

I do not support Palestinian people at all but the holy sites within like Al-Aqsa Muslim's are sensitive about. Arab's as a whole are generally a rather racist people who like their Jewish cousins think of themselves as being superior to other races. Honestly, as people I have never at all respected the Arab's and they too realise that we are compelled to protect the holy sites not them. They have the advantage of Pakistan not hosting any of Islam's holiest sites thereby see no reason to side with us.

As India is a big business market naturally they will not want to upset them. At the Masjid I attend Arab's are often reminded of their pathetic militaries and why the final Prophet(SAW) was amongst them that shut's them all up. I do not consider them as being "our people" at all.

 

[Giannis]

Yes, from my personal experience in the US they do but even if they didn't human rights and speaking out for their humanity isn't transactional. Also we shouldn't group all Arabs together, there are over 20 "Arab" countries but each of them are unique and Palestinians are among the most oppressed people in the world, we shouldn't expect a stateless nation that have been victims of one of the worst genocides in modern history, to do anything for us. Also you need to separate the people from their governments/representativs, majority of Arabs don't support their "leaders" the way most Pakistanis haven't for most of history - you can empathize with the people even if their governments are useless.

 

[junoon]

If by Arabs, you mean the 'house of Saud' and other oil rich arab kingdoms like UAE, then forget supporting Pakistan. Do you think they even care about other arabs who are impoverished and displaced by decades of civil wars and proxy wars in the middle east?

How many displaced Syrians were given refuge by Saudi Arabia and other rich arab kingdoms? Even Canada accepted more than 50,000 Syrian refugees.

The humanitarian crisis in Yemen is 10 times worse than Gaza. All because of Saudi Arabia vs Iran proxy war in the region
https://www.wfp.org/yemen-crisis

We need to separate ordinary arabs from their dictator rulers, then you will find they are not bad people, and are friendly and cordial with other muslims.

 

[PakLFC]

That Pak refused to get involved in the Iraq, Syria and now Saudi-Yemen war's proves we are rightfully only interested in protecting Islam's holiest sites. Let's leave the Arab's to sort out their own internal problem's and wars. If they don't care about Kashmir then I don't do about Arab countries or people either.

 

[PakLFC]

I have often seen Arab's fighting amongst themselves as to who is or is not a "real Arab" as if it is a great privilege to be so)). Even most common Arab's are rather ignorant and full of themselves thinking they're the bee's knee's and all that. Just tell them you are proud to be part of the only Muslim country who is a nuclear power will be enough for them. Pak's biggest rival is nine times bigger then it's own size where as little Israel makes all Arab's dance to it's tunes. If any country or people dislike Pak or our people then I am openly hostile towards them too.

 

[Third_Umpire]

No they don’t care. The whole concept of Muslim ummah is a figment of imagination.

That said, Pakistanis and most objective people can and do reject Israel’s terrorist activities in Palestine.

 

[Giannis]

No they don’t care. The whole concept of Muslim ummah is a figment of imagination.

That said, Pakistanis and most objective people can and do reject Israel’s terrorist activities in Palestine.

That's a generalization and you can't speak in generalities about such large groups of people. Ummah does exist and it's a central part of Islam so saying it doesn't exist borders on apostasy, that said Palestine isn't solely a Muslim issue - plenty of Christian Palestinians do exist are active members of the movement.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

No they don’t care. The whole concept of Muslim ummah is a figment of imagination.

That said, Pakistanis and most objective people can and do reject Israel’s terrorist activities in Palestine.

Maybe someone can correct me here.

In Quran, Ummah is referred to everyone who is born from Prophet Muhammad PBUH until the Day of Judgement.

As Quran is the Message, the Book sent to all humanity Muslims or non Muslims.

 

[Mamoon]

No.

Pakistan is not liked or admired by any nation except perhaps one that I would highlight in a bit. The countries that take interest in Pakistan do so because of our important strategic location and not because they respect and admire us.

The nation of Pakistan keeps deluding itself into thinking that the global Muslim community give special importance to Pakistan because of its status as a nuclear power and because it was created in the name of Islam.

However, the reality is that because of Pakistan’s failures, India has managed to develop better relations with the Arab world than Pakistan.

Pakistan is viewed as a country that supports and funds terrorist organizations, created problems for its neighboring countries and is always begging other states with a begging-bowl in hand. Unfortunately, I must say that this reputation is well-deserved.

The Palestinians have no reason to support Pakistan and show affection when Pakistan, under the leadership of Gen. Zia, has the blood of thousands of Palestinians on its hands during the Jordanian Civil War.

The only exception is probably the religious Turks who are grateful for the Khilafat Movement, i.e. the failed efforts of the founding fathers of Pakistan played to restore the Ottoman Empire after WWI.

The founding fathers of Pakistan were able to win the support of Gandhi as well who viewed supporting the Khilafat Movement as a strategic political move.

The pro-Pakistan sentiment among the religious Turks might also have been further boosted under the tutelage of the delusional self-appointed Ottoman Khalifa and war criminal Erdogan.

Urdu is greatly influenced by the Turkish language.

Also, there could be a subliminal, implicit reason for the connection between the Turks and Pakistanis - both countries have suffered from deep identity crisis.

Under the leadership of Ataturk, Turkey made concrete attempts to move away from its Ottoman and tried to ape the west.

It was deemed necessarily for the long-term development and prosperity of the Turkish Republic in a post-Ottoman world.

However, in recent years, under the guidance of the delusional war criminal Erdogan, Turkey has tried to restore the Ottoman glory.

Pakistan on the other hand has tried very hard to distance itself from the non-Muslim history of the geographic region of Pakistan.

We have tried to derive our culture from Wahabi Islam and have declared the cultural practices of the subcontinent as Un-Islamic.

However, in spite of our attempts to win the admiration and respect of the Arabs, they have rejected us and always look down upon us.

In recent times, after our failed attempts to woo them, we have decided to become Turks. In spite of their affection for Pakistanis, I don’t see this union lasting for very long.

 

[Varun]

While the primary motive for Pakistanis to gun for Palestine is to protect the holy mosques, a major part of it is also to prove to the Arabs that they are Muslims just like them. Recent conflicts like Yemen don't quite fit the bill in this regard, so Pakistan can stay clear.

In the case of Kashmir, the Palestinians and other Arabs don't have anything to prove to the Pakistanis so as far as they are concerned, Kashmir is a conflict happening at one corner of the world like many others. They would sell their oil to the country with the huge appetite (India) and deepen the relationship in a transactional manner despite India's support of Israel and cordial relations with Iran, while the country which lives on handouts (Pakistan) can be ignored. It's not like Pakistan is going to be offended and stop supporting Palestine and the Arabs, so they can do what they want.

 

[IMMY69]

You can discuss this to kingdom come.
Some things are just not logical and they come from the heart.

 

[Itachi]

That's a generalization and you can't speak in generalities about such large groups of people. Ummah does exist and it's a central part of Islam so saying it doesn't exist borders on apostasy, that said Palestine isn't solely a Muslim issue - plenty of Christian Palestinians do exist are active members of the movement.

When was the last time Muslim community was united?

 

[AAli98]

When was the last time Muslim community was united?

Last Thursday we done Eid together for once !

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Palestine is home to Masjid ul Aqsa.

That is the long and short of the issue.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Palestine has Al Aqsa. That is what we care about. Palestinians just happen to be there

 

[MenInG]

Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry disclosed on Tuesday that Pakistan would send aid to Palestine to help the country deal with the Covid-19 pandemic and the medical emergency situation created by Israeli air strikes that have been ongoing for more than a week.

Addressing a press conference in Islamabad after a meeting of the federal cabinet, he said Pakistan was the first Islamic country that adopted a "very clear and strong stance on Palestine" which it was standing by even today. The foundation of Pakistan's policy on Palestine was laid down by the Quaid-i-Azam and Prime Minister Imran Khan was its "trustee", he added.

Chaudhry said that Pakistan's leadership and efforts for Palestine were being "accepted by the entire Muslim ummah", including Palestinian President Mahmud Abbas and the country's ambassador to Pakistan who had thanked Pakistan for its support.

"[Turkish President Recep Tayyip] Erdogan said what was in his heart for Palestine was on Imran Khan's tongue. There is a very big role of Prime Minister Imran Khan."

A day earlier, Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi left for Turkey on a diplomatic mission to bring the international community's attention to the worsening situation in Palestine.

After Turkey, Qureshi will leave for New York with the foreign ministers of Palestine, Turkey and Sudan where he will hold "important meetings" with dignitaries and "raise a voice [for] oppressed Palestinians in the United Nations General Assembly".

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Arab countries usually have very strictly controlled media, even if there was an attack on Pakistan it would probably be hushed up in the state controlled press in those countries. Since the Arab Spring, all protests are strictly organised to the liking of the dictatorial leaders who are usually on payroll of foreign masters.

 

[ElRaja]

no they dont, and cant blame them, and its not an excuse to be racist towards em either cant lump all Arabs together, in my experience Iraqis and Jordanians seem friendlier than saudis. however cant blame them solely for having a superiority complex, a lot of desis have a complimentary inferiority complex towards arabs too.

imo a lot of the support for palestine is driven by a very strong streak of anti-semitism in pakistanis.

 

[golagunda]

While the primary motive for Pakistanis to gun for Palestine is to protect the holy mosques, a major part of it is also to prove to the Arabs that they are Muslims just like them. Recent conflicts like Yemen don't quite fit the bill in this regard, so Pakistan can stay clear.

In the case of Kashmir, the Palestinians and other Arabs don't have anything to prove to the Pakistanis so as far as they are concerned, Kashmir is a conflict happening at one corner of the world like many others. They would sell their oil to the country with the huge appetite (India) and deepen the relationship in a transactional manner despite India's support of Israel and cordial relations with Iran, while the country which lives on handouts (Pakistan) can be ignored. It's not like Pakistan is going to be offended and stop supporting Palestine and the Arabs, so they can do what they want.

Don’t agree with the idea about Pakistanis wanting to prove being muslim to the Arabs. Pakistan doesn’t gain anything by that. If anything, the Arabs dislike it when non-arab countries like Pakistan or Turkey try to take a leading role in the Palestinian issue. The leaders of Arabs countries aren’t interested in pan-islamism or religion or Palestine (holy mosques or no holy mosques). Any favorable resolution of the Palestine issue threatens the arab monarchies in the same way the arab spring did. They would rather Pakistan not meddle in the issue at all.

Pakistan has three main goals in supporting the Palestinians. One is the presence of the holy mosques. The other is Kashmir. It has always been our policy to try and link Kashmir and Palestine since both issues are supported by UN resolutions. Whether this policy makes sense or not is another debate. The third is simply domestic politics. You get a lot of brownie points with the masses by supporting the cause of the Palestinians.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

no they dont, and cant blame them, and its not an excuse to be racist towards em either cant lump all Arabs together, in my experience Iraqis and Jordanians seem friendlier than saudis. however cant blame them solely for having a superiority complex, a lot of desis have a complimentary inferiority complex towards arabs too.

imo a lot of the support for palestine is driven by a very strong streak of anti-semitism in pakistanis.

Disagree. What would Pakistanis have against Jews other than the political dispute over the holy land? Anti-semitism is usually fuelled by ignorance, many Pakistanis aren't well read enough to even understand the issues.

 

[ElRaja]

Disagree. What would Pakistanis have against Jews other than the political dispute over the holy land? Anti-semitism is usually fuelled by ignorance, many Pakistanis aren't well read enough to even understand the issues.

maybe i should qualify, not all pakistanis, but still a significant proportion, last i was in pak i heard someone rehashing the basics topes of the protocols of the elders of zion, praising hitler casually, etc whenever jews were mentioned.

everyone has a different threshold for what they would believe constitutes anti-semitimism, but in my experience i observed it fairly regularly when i was living in pak, granted it was a long time ago.

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

Palestine govt has supported India in the past in the Kashmir conflict.

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

Disagree. What would Pakistanis have against Jews other than the political dispute over the holy land? Anti-semitism is usually fuelled by ignorance, many Pakistanis aren't well read enough to even understand the issues.

You probably did not grow up in Pakistan so you would not know the extent of anti-Semitism in the country. Jews are probably the most hated community in Pakistan after Ahmadis. The reason why everyone who goes against the status quo in Pakistan is deemed "yahoodi agent" or "yahoodi saazish". I don't think there is a country more anti-Semitic than Pakistan. Same reason why IK was attacked when he married Jemima and the latest Pakistani correspondent in CNN fiasco would expose the anti-semitism in Pakistan. El Raja is right, There is a section of a community that supports Hitler for what he did with Jews.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan killed thousands of Palestinians under General Zia during the Jordanian Civil War.

Why would the Palestinians support Pakistan?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Pakistan does not support Palestine because the population is Arab.

The population of Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen are all Arab. Has Pakistan or Pakistanis done anything to support them?

Pakistan supports Palestine because that land is Holy for Muslims. If the population in Palestine was Somali, Pakistanis would still support Palestine.

Every country has their own geopolitical concerns. Same way Pakistan does not say anything about Muslims who are suffering in Philippines, Myanmar, China, Darfur, its not realistic to expect Arab support for Kashmir or issues facing subcontinent Muslims.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You probably did not grow up in Pakistan so you would not know the extent of anti-Semitism in the country. Jews are probably the most hated community in Pakistan after Ahmadis. The reason why everyone who goes against the status quo in Pakistan is deemed "yahoodi agent" or "yahoodi saazish". I don't think there is a country more anti-Semitic than Pakistan. Same reason why IK was attacked when he married Jemima and the latest Pakistani correspondent in CNN fiasco would expose the anti-semitism in Pakistan. El Raja is right, There is a section of a community that supports Hitler for what he did with Jews.

The antipathy towards Jews is a product of Jewish occupation of the holy lands and the creation of the Zionist state. This isn't unique to Pakistan, you will find it in most every Muslim country. Pakistanis are not well read enough to recognise the difference between a Jew and a Zionist, this is due partly to substandard education in the country which means a lot of the population are illiterate.

If Pakistanis flooded into England and it was declared a new country called Britistan, with Islam as the official religion, you would probably find a fair few people around the world would hate Pakistanis too. They might even abbreviate Pakistanis to something which could be considered offensive. Can't think what that would be, but I will scratch my head and see if I can come up with something.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

While the primary motive for Pakistanis to gun for Palestine is to protect the holy mosques, a major part of it is also to prove to the Arabs that they are Muslims just like them. Recent conflicts like Yemen don't quite fit the bill in this regard, so Pakistan can stay clear.

Thats complete nonsense. Arabs in Syria have lost almost 500k people in the Civil War, way more loss of life than Palestinians have lost in 70 years. Almost nothing in the Pakistani media about this. Same for Libya, Iraq, and other Arab countries.

Besides from issues effecting Pakistanis, people in Pakistan care about Kashmir, North Indian Muslims, and Palestine.

Reasons are people consider Kashmiris Pakistanis. North Indian Muslims are very similar culturally, and Palestine has our holy sites.

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

Pakistan does not support Palestine because the population is Arab.

The population of Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen are all Arab. Has Pakistan or Pakistanis done anything to support them?

Pakistan supports Palestine because that land is Holy for Muslims. If the population in Palestine was Somali, Pakistanis would still support Palestine.

Every country has their own geopolitical concerns. Same way Pakistan does not say anything about Muslims who are suffering in Philippines, Myanmar, China, Darfur, its not realistic to expect Arab support for Kashmir or issues facing subcontinent Muslims.

So it means that you don't think that Muslims in Kashmir, Philippines, China are equal to the ones in Palestine? Palestine is not a holy place just for Muslims, its a holy place for Christians and Jews too and in fact more holy for them. Using that logic, Sikhs around the world should wage a war against Pakistan because Sikh women in Pakistan are getting converted especially the ones in Toba Tek Singh and Pakpattan which are holy places for Sikhs?

 

[Local.Dada]

Pakistan as a country was formed on religious lines not ethnic, linguistic or cultural lines.

Arabs have their own culture so do Iranians or Turkish people etc

Pakistan’s foundation would be questioned if they don’t start protesting for every single incident involving Muslims every where else.

Also it helps that our part of the world (subcontinent) has most jobless and easily brainwashed minions compared to any other part of the world so it helps to further your political ideology or propaganda using these free resources.

Pakistan can protest Kashmir, Palestine etc all they want if they think that is the biggest burning issue for its citizens . It’s not like anyone cares.

 

[Shah]

I have met hundreds of Jews and Israelis and not one of them has been racist towards Pakistanis. They all treated me with respect.
I have also met hundreds of Palestinians and Arabs and the vast majority have been racist towards Pakistanis and look down at Pakistanis as inferior to them.

 

[Local.Dada]

Thats complete nonsense. Arabs in Syria have lost almost 500k people in the Civil War, way more loss of life than Palestinians have lost in 70 years. Almost nothing in the Pakistani media about this. Same for Libya, Iraq, and other Arab countries.

Besides from issues effecting Pakistanis, people in Pakistan care about Kashmir, North Indian Muslims, and Palestine.

Reasons are people consider Kashmiris Pakistanis. North Indian Muslims are very similar culturally, and Palestine has our holy sites.

I am sure the holy sites are as holy to the rest of the Islamic world too, should be more for the Arabs etc shouldn’t it? Given the lineage of the religion itself is from Arab peninsula.

Kashmir I can understand as it is a political issue in Pakistan and is probably bread and better for the army which rules the country.

Anyways selective diplomacy is fine. I get your point but selective diplomacy is about what suits you and what doesnt for your own benefit. It doesn’t include when it comes to religious issues especially a religion based on universal brotherhood like Islam. So you can’t be selective about which Muslim you protest about. All this is probably law points people say to make themselves feel better.

There is clearly hypocrisy here but even if one genuinely believes in the cause or has sympathies for Palestine then fair enough. That’s pretty much the logic. There isn’t any further philosophical debates that are needed.

 

[rockyboy2018]

They were chanting Turkey not Pakistan for help. However, Pakistan should help Palestinians because Israel is killing innocent kids, elderly people, etc. Perhaps they will change their behavior towards Pakistan. Islam does not teach us its teachings in terms of nationalities. If we think we are powerful enough to help Palestinians by sending our troops along with the Turkish then why not. You have to stand up to the bully behavior of Israel otherwise they will get confidence to do whatever they want. The next number we do not know who will be on the agenda. Sometimes, you need to keep aside your personal needs. They are without military, they can not fight. That's why I really respect Iran even though it has no match with the American military but gave a perfect reply to the bully behavior of the USA. The bully behavior should be stopped at all costs.

 

[Local.Dada]

They were chanting Turkey not Pakistan for help. However, Pakistan should help Palestinians because Israel is killing innocent kids, elderly people, etc. Perhaps they will change their behavior towards Pakistan. Islam does not teach us its teachings in terms of nationalities. If we think we are powerful enough to help Palestinians by sending our troops along with the Turkish then why not. You have to stand up to the bully behavior of Israel otherwise they will get confidence to do whatever they want. The next number we do not know who will be on the agenda. Sometimes, you need to keep aside your personal needs. They are without military, they can not fight. That's why I really respect Iran even though it has no match with the American military but gave a perfect reply to the bully behavior of the USA. The bully behavior should be stopped at all costs.

Sure, Pakistan can help as their best resource is obviously the army but serious question it’s not like these men are robots, it takes a lot of money to mobilize troops etc.

If they send troops after gathering funds from richer countries how is that going to help Pakistan? I mean how is that any different from fighting Russia in the 80’s or Taliban/Al qaeda in the 2000’s. May be ideologically a different debate but the result is more or less going to be the same.

People will interpret this post as anti Islamic or anti Pakistan but this is pure common sense. There is nothing that is going to come out of it for Pakistan. At best May be a couple of media bytes and mention for Imran Khan or Pak army chief in international Press which will make a splash for a couple of days.

Also how dumb is the religious site argument. Knowing Israel they will monetize the Muslim holy sites and maintain them for pilgrims much better than 90% of Islamic countries in the world. They are not dumb. Also destruction of any such site will what will turn the tide against them. If people are worrying about pilgrimage don’t think that’s a serious concern.

I can of the top of my head think of 5-10 things that should be more concern for an average Pakistani or any other Muslim from developing nations be it Indian subcontinent, Africa, Eastern Europe etc than the Israel- Palestine conflict.

 

[sa88]

No they don’t.
Pakistan should mind it’s own business and leave the Arabs to their problems.

 

[Giannis]

When was the last time Muslim community was united?

That's such a vague question but there have been many instances, in distant history the Grand mosque seizure was a notable one and in more recent history the stance of all Muslim countries on the current oppression of Palestinians.

 

[El Generico]

While the primary motive for Pakistanis to gun for Palestine is to protect the holy mosques, a major part of it is also to prove to the Arabs that they are Muslims just like them. Recent conflicts like Yemen don't quite fit the bill in this regard, so Pakistan can stay clear.

In the case of Kashmir, the Palestinians and other Arabs don't have anything to prove to the Pakistanis so as far as they are concerned, Kashmir is a conflict happening at one corner of the world like many others. They would sell their oil to the country with the huge appetite (India) and deepen the relationship in a transactional manner despite India's support of Israel and cordial relations with Iran, while the country which lives on handouts (Pakistan) can be ignored. It's not like Pakistan is going to be offended and stop supporting Palestine and the Arabs, so they can do what they want.

This is just plain silly. Lol I am sorry but that’s the only way to define this . Does your media tell you this stuff?

 

[El Generico]

They were chanting Turkey not Pakistan for help. However, Pakistan should help Palestinians because Israel is killing innocent kids, elderly people, etc. Perhaps they will change their behavior towards Pakistan. Islam does not teach us its teachings in terms of nationalities. If we think we are powerful enough to help Palestinians by sending our troops along with the Turkish then why not. You have to stand up to the bully behavior of Israel otherwise they will get confidence to do whatever they want. The next number we do not know who will be on the agenda. Sometimes, you need to keep aside your personal needs. They are without military, they can not fight. That's why I really respect Iran even though it has no match with the American military but gave a perfect reply to the bully behavior of the USA. The bully behavior should be stopped at all costs.

Are you sure about that?

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A major Palestinian leader also recently recorded a video asking Pakistan for help.

 

[junoon]

I have met hundreds of Jews and Israelis and not one of them has been racist towards Pakistanis. They all treated me with respect.
I have also met hundreds of Palestinians and Arabs and the vast majority have been racist towards Pakistanis and look down at Pakistanis as inferior to them.

I am just curious, in which country did you meet these Jews and Arabs?
My experience has been the opposite, and all the Arabs i have met in USA and Canada were friendly and treated me with respect.

The Jews i have met also did not say anything blatantly racist or offensive to me even though they knew i am Muslim. But then it's a superficial world and most people will not do or say anything overtly racist even if they are racist on the inside.

 

[Itachi]

That's such a vague question but there have been many instances, in distant history the Grand mosque seizure was a notable one and in more recent history the stance of all Muslim countries on the current oppression of Palestinians.

Stance means nothing if it doesn't translate in to reality. When was the last time the Muslim ummah actually done "something" (not just taking a stand). For example, OIC has taken stand against India but individua relationship is still going on for bernefits of the both.

When was the last time the community took stand regardless of any other interest except protection for muslims no matter whatever are the consequences?

 

[Giannis]

Stance means nothing if it doesn't translate in to reality. When was the last time the Muslim ummah actually done "something" (not just taking a stand). For example, OIC has taken stand against India but individua relationship is still going on for bernefits of the both.

When was the last time the community took stand regardless of any other interest except protection for muslims no matter whatever are the consequences?

Well that's the case for most multilateral coalitions, it's hard to come to a consensus and it may not be possible in the present day due to various issues besetting the Muslim world.

 

[Shah]

I am just curious, in which country did you meet these Jews and Arabs?
My experience has been the opposite, and all the Arabs i have met in USA and Canada were friendly and treated me with respect.

The Jews i have met also did not say anything blatantly racist or offensive to me even though they knew i am Muslim. But then it's a superficial world and most people will not do or say anything overtly racist even if they are racist on the inside.

In North America, the Arabs you met have to be more careful in terms of being overtly racist. Talk to Pakistanis who have worked in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc. and they will tell you about Arab racism in their home countries towards Pakistanis. Even during Hajj and Umrah, the Saudis treat you like garbage if you have a green passport.

I have met Jews in Israel, USA, Canada and the UK while I have met Arabs in Palestine, USA, Canada, UK and in the Arab world. This opinion is not only mine but of many others Pakistanis I have spoken to.

 

[MenInG]

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Wednesday applauded Pakistan's unflinching support for the oppressed Palestinians.

His remarks came during a meeting with Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi who called on him at the presidential palace in Ankara.

"Turkey will host the seventh meeting of Pakistan-Turkey high-level strategic cooperation council," President Erdogan said while discussing the bilateral relations.

FM Qureshi said Pakistan and Turkey enjoy strong relations and share identical views on a host of issues.

He appreciated the Turkish President's categorical stance on Kashmir and Palestine disputes.

Pakistan, Turkey call on int’l community

Both countries reaffirmed that the international community had a collective responsibility to ensure necessary steps to address the dire situation in Palestine.

FM Qureshi and his Turkish counterpart Mevlut Cavusoglu urged the international community to restore peace and facilitate a just solution to the Palestine issue.

The two foreign ministers further discussed ways to mobilise the international community to help stop Israeli aggression against Palestinians.

They also discussed the ongoing preparations for the 7th Session of the High-Level Strategic Cooperation Council that will be held in Turkey this year.

Qureshi reiterated appreciation for Turkey’s principled and steadfast support on the issue of Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu and Kashmir.

He also lauded Turkey’s valuable efforts to re-energize the Afghan peace process.

 

[OMB]

Stance means nothing if it doesn't translate in to reality. When was the last time the Muslim ummah actually done "something" (not just taking a stand). For example, OIC has taken stand against India but individua relationship is still going on for bernefits of the both.

When was the last time the community took stand regardless of any other interest except protection for muslims no matter whatever are the consequences?

India was the guest of honour in OIC meet 2019

 

[Varun]

A major Palestinian leader also recently recorded a video asking Pakistan for help.

Pakistan ain't going to do nothing material. These chants are a waste of breath.

A better way is for them to do some cyber warfare thing against Israel if they're up to it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I have met hundreds of Jews and Israelis and not one of them has been racist towards Pakistanis. They all treated me with respect.
I have also met hundreds of Palestinians and Arabs and the vast majority have been racist towards Pakistanis and look down at Pakistanis as inferior to them.

I have met thousands of Jews and Indians and they are all really polite, but when I ask them why they are bombing Palestine or torturing teenagers in Kashmir, they suddenly become far more hostile. In some conversations many have admitted privately that they often log onto Muslim sites and pretend to be Muslim while spreading anti-Muslim propaganda. They chuckle while they tell me this as I always tell them (quite truthfully) that I am not so religious and that we should all get along.

 

[MenInG]

In a massive show of solidarity with Palestinians, thousands of Karachiites turned up at the unprecedented ‘Pakistan for Palestine’ demonstration at the Karachi Press Club (KPC) on Wednesday, demanding an immediate ceasefire from Israel and an end to the bombing of Gaza.

The demonstrators, including representatives of the the Karachi Union of Journalists (KUJ), Pakistan Federal Union of Journalists (PFUJ), Pakistan Medical Association (PMA), National Trade Union Federation (NTBA), Home-Based Women Workers Association and the Karachi Tax Bar Association (KTBA) along with thousands of citizens, called for an immediate end to the occupation and demolition of Al-Aqsa Mosque and Palestinian settlements, including Sheikh Jarrah, and for an end to the forced eviction of local Palestinians.

The idea for the protest started from social media and ended up at the KPC, with a large number of citizens, mostly young college students, from across a cross-section of society condemning Israeli onslaught of violence. Holding placards condemning the genocide of Palestinians, the protesters chanted "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free." The crowd was unprecedented and the numbers kept going up, as a result of which the areas around Zainab Market, Saddar and Shaheen Complex saw gridlocks for hours.

Neha Mohammad and her husband Abdul Kaleem Shiekh, a young Karachi couple, were accompanied by their children and family members at the protest. Talking to Dawn.com, Mohammad said she saw the call for protest on social media. Commenting on the situation in Palestine and the killing of innocent children, she said, “We were feeling helpless sitting at home. This is the least we can do to show support to the Palestinians.”

“We want an end to the occupation. We want the world to see and support innocent Palestinians,” said Murtaza, an engineering student.

“What is happening in Palestine is inhumane. This must be called out,” said Nafees, a student of Karachi University. “They can block social media posts but we need to continue to raise our voice against these atrocities,” said Sana Khan.

“The turnout was a lot more than we expected. Pakistan and Karachiites care about this humanitarian disaster,” said Filzah Asif, an organiser of the event.

A student at the Denning Law School, she said, “We saw that there were no protests in Karachi on the Palestine issue. Me and Namra Masood (another organiser) decided to use Instagram and that’s how [MENTION=411]Pakistan[/MENTION]forpalestine was created.

“It’s a student and female-led initiative to raise awareness about the genocide, apartheid and ethnic cleansing in Palestine and all the terrorism being committed by Israel," said Asif. “We are very grateful and thankful to the citizens of Karachi for showing up,” she added.

“We call on the government of Pakistan and Pakistani citizens to join us in the campaign to spread awareness on the streets, media and social media about the atrocities committed by Israel against the Palestinians in the Nakba from 1948 to date. We declare our full solidarity and support with the Palestinian resistance. We strongly condemn the Israeli bombing of the offices of independent media outlets,” a demand by the demonstrators read.

The protestors called for a “progressive and prosperous Palestine”.

“This is such a big show of solidarity,” said KUJ General Secretary and the Karachi bureau chief of Geo News Faheem Siddiqui. “In my professional career spanning over two decades, I have never seen such a massive non-political crowd at the KPC,” he said, while commending the spirit of Karachiites to stand up for Palestinians.

In pictures: Pakistanis rally in major cities against Israeli attacks on Gaza

Israeli attacks on media slammed
Students carry signs as they chant slogans to express solidarity with Palestinian people, during a protest organised by the Students Action Committee in Karachi on Wednesday. — Reuters
The KUJ called on the United Nations to immediately declare Israel a terrorist state for its atrocities in Palestine, especially for targeting media houses. “Make official arrangements for the repatriation of independent journalists from Pakistan to Palestine so that Israeli atrocities can be exposed to the world,” a statement issued by the union said.

The KUJ has appealed to the journalist community across the country, including Karachi, to realise their responsibilities in the wake of the Israeli attack on media houses and to maximise the news, videos and photos obtained from other sources of Israeli barbarism in Palestine.

Addressing the protest, PTI MNA Shehzad Qureshi urged Prime Minister Imran Khan to intensify his efforts to resolve the Palestinian issue. “The Israeli oppression of Palestine should be stopped. Muslim countries must work together to find a solution to the Palestinian problem.”

Speaking on the occasion, Shamshad Qureshi, a member of the Central Executive Committee of the Pak Sarzamin Party, slammed Muslim countries for their silence which boosted Israel's morale so much that it has now targeted media houses. “We stand with journalists from all over the world including Pakistan and will continue to highlight their voices.”

Addressing the protest, KUJ General Secretary Fahim Siddiqui said the "journalist community of the country is with the Palestinian media and the oppressed.” He urged the media houses to provide maximum coverage to the Israeli barbarism and aggression.

Addressing the demonstration, PMA Central General Secretary Dr Qaiser Sajjad said that a humanitarian tragedy had arisen in Palestine, with Israeli bombings killing hundreds of civilians there, including journalists. “International organisations, including the Red Cross, have a role to play in providing medical treatment and medicine to the injured. Pakistani doctors are also ready to play their part,” he added.

PTBA President Zeeshan Merchant said that by targeting the media in Palestine, Israel has tried to prevent its atrocities from being exposed to the world, but its efforts will fail. NTUF General Secretary Nasir Mansour said that as long as Israel had the support of the United States, it would continue to target the media and civilians in Palestine. “Countries should form a bloc and boycott Israel and the United States," he added.

In his address, KUJ Acting President Ijaz Sheikh condemned the Israeli attacks on media houses in Palestine and said that in the current situation, the responsibilities of the Pakistani government have greatly increased to resolve the Palestinian issue and prevent Israeli attacks.

Home Based Women Workers Federation General Secretary Zahra Khan, Palestine Foundation leader Bashir Saduzai and others also addressed the demonstration.

DAWN

 

[PakLFC]

Oh come on lads lets get the story right! Seeing thousands of people protesting against Israeli atrocities does not mean every Pakistani is eager to defend Al-Aqsa and all. There are million's of Pakistanis who are so very non religious and only nominal Muslim's who do not at all care about the holy sites or anything about Palestine. The thing is that Pakistani people as a whole have developed an image of being ultra religious when it is simply not true. I know loads of Pakistanis who are much more interested in dating, gambling, travelling, making money and just having a good time then worrying about something they simply don't consider as being their problem. I for one have never attended any pro Palestinian protest and also have friends who are pro Israel.

 

[MenInG]

In a massive show of solidarity with Palestinians, thousands of Karachiites turned up at the unprecedented ‘Pakistan for Palestine’ demonstration at the Karachi Press Club (KPC) on Wednesday, demanding an immediate ceasefire from Israel and an end to the bombing of Gaza.

The demonstrators, including representatives of the the Karachi Union of Journalists (KUJ), Pakistan Federal Union of Journalists (PFUJ), Pakistan Medical Association (PMA), National Trade Union Federation (NTBA), Home-Based Women Workers Association and the Karachi Tax Bar Association (KTBA) along with thousands of citizens, called for an immediate end to the occupation and demolition of Al-Aqsa Mosque and Palestinian settlements, including Sheikh Jarrah, and for an end to the forced eviction of local Palestinians.

The idea for the protest started from social media and ended up at the KPC, with a large number of citizens, mostly young college students, from across a cross-section of society condemning Israeli onslaught of violence. Holding placards condemning the genocide of Palestinians, the protesters chanted "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free." The crowd was unprecedented and the numbers kept going up, as a result of which the areas around Zainab Market, Saddar and Shaheen Complex saw gridlocks for hours.

Neha Mohammad and her husband Abdul Kaleem Shiekh, a young Karachi couple, were accompanied by their children and family members at the protest. Talking to Dawn.com, Mohammad said she saw the call for protest on social media. Commenting on the situation in Palestine and the killing of innocent children, she said, “We were feeling helpless sitting at home. This is the least we can do to show support to the Palestinians.”

“We want an end to the occupation. We want the world to see and support innocent Palestinians,” said Murtaza, an engineering student.

“What is happening in Palestine is inhumane. This must be called out,” said Nafees, a student of Karachi University. “They can block social media posts but we need to continue to raise our voice against these atrocities,” said Sana Khan.

“The turnout was a lot more than we expected. Pakistan and Karachiites care about this humanitarian disaster,” said Filzah Asif, an organiser of the event.

A student at the Denning Law School, she said, “We saw that there were no protests in Karachi on the Palestine issue. Me and Namra Masood (another organiser) decided to use Instagram and that’s how [MENTION=411]Pakistan[/MENTION]forpalestine was created.

“It’s a student and female-led initiative to raise awareness about the genocide, apartheid and ethnic cleansing in Palestine and all the terrorism being committed by Israel," said Asif. “We are very grateful and thankful to the citizens of Karachi for showing up,” she added.

“We call on the government of Pakistan and Pakistani citizens to join us in the campaign to spread awareness on the streets, media and social media about the atrocities committed by Israel against the Palestinians in the Nakba from 1948 to date. We declare our full solidarity and support with the Palestinian resistance. We strongly condemn the Israeli bombing of the offices of independent media outlets,” a demand by the demonstrators read.

The protestors called for a “progressive and prosperous Palestine”.

“This is such a big show of solidarity,” said KUJ General Secretary and the Karachi bureau chief of Geo News Faheem Siddiqui. “In my professional career spanning over two decades, I have never seen such a massive non-political crowd at the KPC,” he said, while commending the spirit of Karachiites to stand up for Palestinians.

In pictures: Pakistanis rally in major cities against Israeli attacks on Gaza

Israeli attacks on media slammed
Students carry signs as they chant slogans to express solidarity with Palestinian people, during a protest organised by the Students Action Committee in Karachi on Wednesday. — Reuters
The KUJ called on the United Nations to immediately declare Israel a terrorist state for its atrocities in Palestine, especially for targeting media houses. “Make official arrangements for the repatriation of independent journalists from Pakistan to Palestine so that Israeli atrocities can be exposed to the world,” a statement issued by the union said.

The KUJ has appealed to the journalist community across the country, including Karachi, to realise their responsibilities in the wake of the Israeli attack on media houses and to maximise the news, videos and photos obtained from other sources of Israeli barbarism in Palestine.

Addressing the protest, PTI MNA Shehzad Qureshi urged Prime Minister Imran Khan to intensify his efforts to resolve the Palestinian issue. “The Israeli oppression of Palestine should be stopped. Muslim countries must work together to find a solution to the Palestinian problem.”

Speaking on the occasion, Shamshad Qureshi, a member of the Central Executive Committee of the Pak Sarzamin Party, slammed Muslim countries for their silence which boosted Israel's morale so much that it has now targeted media houses. “We stand with journalists from all over the world including Pakistan and will continue to highlight their voices.”

Addressing the protest, KUJ General Secretary Fahim Siddiqui said the "journalist community of the country is with the Palestinian media and the oppressed.” He urged the media houses to provide maximum coverage to the Israeli barbarism and aggression.

Addressing the demonstration, PMA Central General Secretary Dr Qaiser Sajjad said that a humanitarian tragedy had arisen in Palestine, with Israeli bombings killing hundreds of civilians there, including journalists. “International organisations, including the Red Cross, have a role to play in providing medical treatment and medicine to the injured. Pakistani doctors are also ready to play their part,” he added.

PTBA President Zeeshan Merchant said that by targeting the media in Palestine, Israel has tried to prevent its atrocities from being exposed to the world, but its efforts will fail. NTUF General Secretary Nasir Mansour said that as long as Israel had the support of the United States, it would continue to target the media and civilians in Palestine. “Countries should form a bloc and boycott Israel and the United States," he added.

In his address, KUJ Acting President Ijaz Sheikh condemned the Israeli attacks on media houses in Palestine and said that in the current situation, the responsibilities of the Pakistani government have greatly increased to resolve the Palestinian issue and prevent Israeli attacks.

Home Based Women Workers Federation General Secretary Zahra Khan, Palestine Foundation leader Bashir Saduzai and others also addressed the demonstration.

DAWN

 

[moghul]

Palestine is not a religious issue, its a humanitarian issue and every person/nation with a heart/conscious should oppose and condemn Israel's action of killing innocent civilians.

But Pakistan governments in the past and the current one is doing all this support of people of Palestine not really for them but just to score some political points because for no real reason there is a great support for Palestine in Pakistan .

We all know Arbs hate Pakistanis and they will never support Pakistan in case India attacks us . In the past Yasir Arafat was more pro-Indian than for Pakistan .

 

[Varun]

Pakistan’s Foreign Minister Reaches Turkey To Formulate Strategy Against Israel

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Met brother FM <a href="https://twitter.com/MevlutCavusoglu?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MevlutCavusoglu</a> in Ankara today. Nothing can shake our resolve as we stand shoulder to shoulder with the people of Palestine in their legitimate right to self-determination & establishment of independent state with pre-1967 borders & Al Quds Al Shareef as capital. <a href="https://t.co/IWGteKcmcj">pic.twitter.com/IWGteKcmcj</a></p>— Shah Mahmood Qureshi (@SMQureshiPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/SMQureshiPTI/status/1394616342435741697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 18, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">President <a href="https://twitter.com/RTErdogan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RTErdogan</a> received Foreign Minister of Pakistan Shah Mahmood Qureshi at Çankaya Presidential Palace. <a href="https://t.co/hDPh1Aldy0">pic.twitter.com/hDPh1Aldy0</a></p>— Turkish Presidency (@trpresidency) <a href="https://twitter.com/trpresidency/status/1394752070306213889?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 18, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Source: https://eurasiantimes.com/pakistans...-turkey-to-formulate-strategy-against-israel/

Let's see what the Ertugrul alliance can do to Israel. The Arabs are clearly not up for the task.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Where is anyone talking about any strategy? Stop masala baha

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

So it means that you don't think that Muslims in Kashmir, Philippines, China are equal to the ones in Palestine?

In the eyes of Pakistanis, for people outside Pakistan, their concern will be in this order:

1 - Kashmirs
2 - North Indian Muslims
3 & 4- Palestinians & Other subcontinent Muslims ( order depends on person)
5 - other Muslims

Palestine is not a holy place just for Muslims, its a holy place for Christians and Jews too and in fact more holy for them.

Never said its not holy for Jews and Christians. Most Jews support Israel. Evangelical Christians also support Israel. Same way Muslims support Palestians. I dont think people would care much of this conflict if it was in Africa instead of Israel/Palestine, a land which is holy for all 3 of those religions.

Using that logic, Sikhs around the world should wage a war against Pakistan because Sikh women in Pakistan are getting converted especially the ones in Toba Tek Singh and Pakpattan which are holy places for Sikhs?

Where did i say that Palestinians, let alone other Muslims should wage war? In my opinion the only option for Palestinians is to have a peaceful struggle to get citizenship. Basically go for the one state solution.

As for Sikhs, of course they are free to raise issue of their brethren if they are facing persecution. Its the most natural thing for them to be concerned for their fellow Sikhs.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I am sure the holy sites are as holy to the rest of the Islamic world too, should be more for the Arabs etc shouldn’t it? Given the lineage of the religion itself is from Arab peninsula.

Nope. By that logic Arabs should care more for Mecca & Medina then other Muslims. Just not true.

Anyways selective diplomacy is fine. I get your point but selective diplomacy is about what suits you and what doesnt for your own benefit. It doesn’t include when it comes to religious issues especially a religion based on universal brotherhood like Islam. So you can’t be selective about which Muslim you protest about. All this is probably law points people say to make themselves feel better.

There is clearly hypocrisy here but even if one genuinely believes in the cause or has sympathies for Palestine then fair enough. That’s pretty much the logic. There isn’t any further philosophical debates that are needed.

Of course you can. Entire world is selective of the issues they care about. Same thing for Muslims. The only problem would be if you dont admit that you are selective, and you pretend to be a great humanitarian. That would be wrong.

I am openly saying Pakistanis care mainly about Kashmiris, North Indian Muslims, and Palestine.

 

[mazkhan]

Just playing to the public gallery.

If Erdoğan is serious why doesn't he not recognise Israel and break all relations with them.

And besides until turkey and pakistan become manufacturing powerhouses and hi tech industry, where everything is produced in house , and all weapons are indigenous not relying on foreigners then forget it .

How can you fight Israel when majority of your weapons are from the west and their functioning of engines spares and relies on help from Western countries.

 

[Itachi]

Oh come on lads lets get the story right! Seeing thousands of people protesting against Israeli atrocities does not mean every Pakistani is eager to defend Al-Aqsa and all. There are million's of Pakistanis who are so very non religious and only nominal Muslim's who do not at all care about the holy sites or anything about Palestine. The thing is that Pakistani people as a whole have developed an image of being ultra religious when it is simply not true. I know loads of Pakistanis who are much more interested in dating, gambling, travelling, making money and just having a good time then worrying about something they simply don't consider as being their problem. I for one have never attended any pro Palestinian protest and also have friends who are pro Israel.

Your post was confusing. What is your stand on this matter? it was a bit vague from above.

 

[MenInG]

Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi on Thursday addressed an emergency meeting of the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) called to discuss Israel's devastating violence against the Palestinians in Gaza, stressing that the "voice of the Palestinian people cannot and will not be silenced".

Qureshi noted that Israel has mounted a "relentless onslaught" on the people of Palestine, resulting in scores of deaths and limited access to food, water, hygiene and health services.

Hospitals and hygiene services depended on electricity but fuel for the power plants had almost run out, he pointed out.

"As we speak, people in Palestine are being killed with impunity. Death echoes in every home in Gaza. [The enclave] is plunged in darkness literally and metaphorically; the only light is of Israeli explosions.

"This is Palestine where, in full view of the world, Israeli air strikes bring down entire buildings to kill an terrorise innocent Palestinians and even silence the media," he said while referring to Israel's destruction of a high-rise building in Gaza City that housed offices of The Associated Press, Al Jazeera and other media outlets on Saturday.

"It is time to say enough. The voice of the Palestinian people cannot and will not be silenced. We, the representatives of the Islamic world are here, to speak with them and for them."

The foreign minister said it was "appalling" that the UN Security Council had been "unable to exercise its primary responsibility" of maintaining international peace and security, adding that it had "failed to demand even a cessation of hostilities".

The countries preventing the UN from putting forth a resolution demanding an end to the violence bore a heavy responsibility, Qureshi said.

"We must not fail the Palestinian people at this critical juncture," he said and expressed the hope that the UNSC would issue a call for the cessation of Israeli attacks.

"Let us be clear, there is no more room for military equivalence between the beleaguered and occupied Palestinian people who have no army, no navy and no airforce, and the Israeli war machine — one of the most powerful in the world.

"This is a war between a military occupier and an occupied people. It is a war between an illegal occupation and a legitimate struggle for self-determination," he said, pointing out to UNGA Resolution 2649 which he said affirmed the legitimacy of the struggle of people under colonial and illegal domination to fight for their right to self-determination using any means at their disposal.

"We should mobilise all possible humanitarian help for the devastated Palestinian population in Gaza and other parts of the occupied territories," he said, urging the global body to arrange a comprehensive humanitarian assistance programme.

Qureshi said it was necessary to send medical teams, medicines, food and other supplies to Palestine. He called for an international force to be deployed for protection.

He also called on the UNGA to "condemn Israel's forced and illegal eviction of Palestinians in Sheikh Jarrah", stressing Israel's "crimes against humanity should not escape accountability".

"There should be no immunity for violating international law," he said and asked the International Criminal Court (ICC) and International Court of Justice (ICJ) to ensure that Israel was held accountable for its "war crimes".

"It is imperative to initiate bold steps to secure the implementation of the Security Council and General Assembly resolutions calling for a Palestinian state."

The foreign minister termed the Palestine issue as the reason behind the turmoil and conflicts in the Middle East and the "principle root cause of the humiliation and anger in the Arab and Muslim world".

He said the onus for restoring peace was on Israel which needed to end its occupation of Palestinian land. "This General Assembly session must send a clear message to Israel and the Palestinian people," he added.

United stance
The foreign minister arrived in New York on Wednesday evening on a Palestine peace mission and to attend the UNGA emergency meeting, called by the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) and the Arab League.

Pakistan has joined hands with Palestine, Sudan and Turkey to take a united stance at the UNGA session. This is the first UN meeting that has seen the physical presence of foreign ministers since the Covid-19 pandemic paralysed the world. Prior to this, the UN had been holding virtual meetings in the wake of the pandemic.

Soon after his arrival in New York, Qureshi hosted a working dinner of the foreign ministers of OIC member states to discuss the situation in Palestine.

"We hope the UNGA meeting will send a strong message … to end the Israeli aggression and to take concrete steps to find a solution to the Palestine issue," said the foreign minister while addressing the dinner.

A statement issued by Pakistan’s UN mission said that the foreign minister’s visit to New York was part of Pakistan’s intensive diplomatic outreach to mobilise international support for ending the ongoing Israeli aggression against the Palestinians.

The UNGA session follows an intensive international effort to secure a ceasefire in the occupied Palestinian territories after a week of deadly cross-border violence.

Israeli strikes on Gaza have killed 230 Palestinians, including 65 children, according to the Gaza health ministry, leaving vast areas in rubble and displacing tens of thousands in the crowded territory.

Israel's army has meanwhile said Hamas and other Islamist armed groups in Gaza have fired 4,070 rockets towards Israel, the overwhelming majority of them intercepted by its Iron Dome air defences. The rockets have claimed 12 lives in Israel, including one child, with one Indian and two Thai nationals among those killed, the police said.

DAWN

 

[Shah]

When Pakistan is attacked by India, the Palestinians and Arab nations do NOT support Pakistan. They are not even neutral. They actually support India.

The only Islamic countries which have been somewhat pro-Pakistan are non-Arab, i.e. Turkey and Malaysia.

 

[moghul]

Today a doctor from Palestine met me, hugged me and thanked me ( to him I was representing Pakistan ) , said Pakistan was the only country supporting Palestine at international stage and his people were watching it on he media .

 

[Local.Dada]

Today a doctor from Palestine met me, hugged me and thanked me ( to him I was representing Pakistan ) , said Pakistan was the only country supporting Palestine at international stage and his people were watching it on he media .

So he is supporting Palestine while living in a country that probably has pro-Israel policies?

His skills would probably be more helpful in serving the injured in Palestine than making good money from evil pro-Israel regimes or hugging people in the time of covid especially a person who is interacting with patients.

 

[Varun]

Today a doctor from Palestine met me, hugged me and thanked me ( to him I was representing Pakistan ) , said Pakistan was the only country supporting Palestine at international stage and his people were watching it on he media .

A doctor Palestinian? That's the way to go.

Tell him we need more like him.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

When Pakistan is attacked by India, the Palestinians and Arab nations do NOT support Pakistan. They are not even neutral. They actually support India.

The only Islamic countries which have been somewhat pro-Pakistan are non-Arab, i.e. Turkey and Malaysia.

This is NOT true. All the Palestinians I've met and most every Arab have all voiced strong support for Pakistan, although I think some are a bit confused as they thought India was already a Muslim country.

 

[El Generico]

So he is supporting Palestine while living in a country that probably has pro-Israel policies?

His skills would probably be more helpful in serving the injured in Palestine than making good money from evil pro-Israel regimes or hugging people in the time of covid especially a person who is interacting with patients.

Your argument is ridiculous. Millions of Indians live and work in Arab countries while simultaneously hating Muslims. Should all those Indians move back to their country?

 

[Firebat]

Pakistan marks Palestine Day today to show solidarity with victims of Gaza massacre

ISLAMABAD: The government of Pakistan is marking today (Friday) as "Palestine Day" to show solidarity with the people of Palestine who have been braving a massacre at the hands of Israel for the past 11 days.

Israel has been pounding Gaza with air strikes, killing nearly 250 people, including men, women, and children, since tensions heightened following the Sheikh Jarrah evictions and Israeli police brutality at the Al-Aqsa mosque.

Pakistan has raised its voice against Israeli aggression at the United Nations, with Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi saying that the voice of the Palestinians cannot and will not be silenced.

Earlier, Prime Minister Imran Khan had directed officials to make preparations for holding state-level protests against the Israeli atrocities on Friday.

The PM had issued the orders during a meeting he chaired of government spokespersons. The aides of the PM had advised him to hold such a demonstration on Friday.

Speaking on the occasion, National Security Advisor Moeed Yousuf said that Pakistan stands with the people of Palestine, adding that there could be no lasting peace without an independent Palestinian state.

PML-N President Shahbaz Sharif and former prime minister Raja Pervez Ashraf, Maulana Asad, and several other parliamentary leaders also issued statements on the occasion to show solidarity with the people of Palestine as they visited the United Nations office in Islamabad.

"Innocent people are being massacred in Palestine and Kashmir. The issues of Palestine and Kashmir should be resolved in accordance with the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council (UNSC)," said Shahbaz Sharif.

He said that if the problems of Kashmiris and Palestinians are not resolved, there would no peace in the world.

Chairman Senate Sadiq Sanjrani, Speaker National Assembly Asad Qaisar, and Deputy Speaker Qasim Suri also attended a rally to show solidarity with the people of Palestine.

National Assembly on Monday unanimously passed a resolution expressing deep concern over the increasing violence and brutality perpetrated against the Palestinian people by the Israeli apartheid regime. The resolution was submitted to the office of the United Nations today.

Federal Minister for Science and Technology Shibli Faraz said the government has effectively raised the issue of Palestine internationally, adding that Pakistan welcomes the ceasefire decision of the parties.

"The Israeli occupation of Palestine must end and the only permanent solution to this problem is the establishment of an independent, sovereign Palestinian state," said. Shibli Faraz.

Akin to that, Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid addressed a Palestine solidarity rally at Lal Haveli and said that he hopes the issue of Kashmir and Palestine will be resolved one day.

Minister of State for Information and Broadcasting, Farrukh Habib said Pakistan, under the leadership of Prime Minister Imran Khan, has effectively voiced the plight of Palestinian people at all the international forums.

“Not only the Prime Minister Imran Khan raised his voice against the brutal killing of over 250 innocent people in Palestine but also the Foreign Minister, Shah Mehmood Qureshi took a leading role and pleaded the case of Palestinians at the United Nation General Assembly meeting”, the state minister said while addressing at Palestine Solidarity Day celebrations at Eidgah Sharif.

Speaking on the occasion, Chairman Islamic Ideological Council, Dr Qibla Ayaz thanked Allah Almighty for the ceasefire in Palestine and said: “The dominant nation agrees to a ceasefire when there is pressure in international politics and political and diplomatic commitment is shown”.

JUI-F chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman said that the PTI-led government had been thinking of establishing relationships with Israel, adding that the people of Pakistan came together to condemn the Israeli atrocities in Palestine today.

"The Pakistani nation has united today against Israeli terrorism in Palestine," said Fazl. "Israel's true face was exposed over the last week."

https://www.geo.tv/latest/351114-pa...show-solidarity-with-victims-of-gaza-massacre

 

[Local.Dada]

Your argument is ridiculous. Millions of Indians live and work in Arab countries while simultaneously hating Muslims. Should all those Indians move back to their country?

So you are generalizing every Indian living in Middle East as a Muslim hater?

You realize that there are plenty of Indian Muslims in Middle East and plenty of other Indians too who
have a secular outlook.

May be one needs to get more aware about demographics of neighboring countries before bleeding for middle eastern countries with no real ethnic or religious connection.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So you are generalizing every Indian living in Middle East as a Muslim hater?

You realize that there are plenty of Indian Muslims in Middle East and plenty of other Indians too who
have a secular outlook.

May be one needs to get more aware about demographics of neighboring countries before bleeding for middle eastern countries with no real ethnic or religious connection.

How do you know there is no ethnic or religious connection? As compared to what?

 

[Local.Dada]

How do you know there is no ethnic or religious connection? As compared to what?

So how many % of the Pakistan population according to you are of Palestinian descent?

 

[Local.Dada]

* I meant cultural not religious connection

 

[ChTab]

Changing world opinion will force powerful nations to stop backing Israel: PM

Prime Minister Imran Khan has said that changing public opinion across the globe about the Palestine issue will force the world’s powerful countries to withdraw their support from Israel.

“Public opinion is changing around the world which is encouraging... and the day is not far away when Palestinians will get their just rights,” he said in his message on ‘Palestine Solidarity Day’ being observed in Pakistan on Friday.

"In the past, I had never seen Western media and politicians criticising Israeli atrocities," he added.

The premier said the major reason for the shift in public opinion is social media which played a major role in exposing the Israeli assault on Palestinians.

PM Imran said since the creation of Israel Pakistan has always supported Palestinians at all international forums in line with the vision of Quaid-i-Azam.

The prime minister also appreciated Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi for successfully highlighting Israeli unjust actions against Palestinians at international foras including in the United Nations.

Commending the people of Pakistan for expressing solidarity with the Palestinians today (Friday), he said Israel has committed inhuman aggression by targeting Palestinian worshippers at Al Aqsa mosque on the night of 27 Ramazan. He said Israeli settlers forcibly evicted Palestinian families from their homes.

The prime minister also said, besides, he talked to Saudi, Turkish and Palestinian leadership and assured them that Pakistan will stand by their Palestinian brethren in “every thick and thin”.

Earlier in the day, PM Imran had said that Israel’s continued aggression against Palestinians “remains a matter of deep concern for everyone”.

“The international community must take urgent actions to stop Israeli attacks against Palestinians, prevent the desecration of holy places, especially the Al Aqsa mosque, and facilitate a just and lasting solution in line with the relevant UN resolutions and the two-state vision,” he added.

Israeli aggression

Israeli forces stormed the holy Al-Aqsa mosque during the last Friday of Ramazan and used unjustified force against peaceful worshippers. The incident and subsequent actions by Israeli forces led to the current confrontation.

Nearly 450 buildings in the Gaza Strip have been destroyed or badly damaged, including six hospitals and nine primary-care health centres, since the current conflict began, the United Nations humanitarian agency said. Some 48,000 of the 52,000 displaced had gone to 58 UN-run schools.

Gaza health officials said at least 232 Palestinians, including 65 children, had been killed and more than 1,900 wounded in aerial bombardments. Israel said it had killed at least 160 combatants.

Authorities put the death toll in Israel at 12, with hundreds of people treated for injuries in rocket attacks that caused panic and sent people rushing into shelters.

Ceasefire

Israeli police have attacked Palestinians at Jerusalem's Al Aqsa mosque compound following an Egyptian-mediated truce between Israel and Hamas began on Friday.

Israeli police spokesperson Micky Rosenfeld said "riots broke out" at the Al Aqsa esplanade which is Islam's third holiest site and also revered by Jews, who call it the Temple Mount.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/230098...e-powerful-nations-to-stop-backing-israel-pm?
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[Cpt. Rishwat]

* I meant cultural not religious connection

Of course you did on reading it again. Oops!

So do you want to have another stab at it?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So how many % of the Pakistan population according to you are of Palestinian descent?

First make your mind up what the question is then I'll attempt to answer it.

 

[Giannis]

So you are generalizing every Indian living in Middle East as a Muslim hater?

You realize that there are plenty of Indian Muslims in Middle East and plenty of other Indians too who
have a secular outlook.

May be one needs to get more aware about demographics of neighboring countries before bleeding for middle eastern countries with no real ethnic or religious connection.

naah most of them hate muslims

 

[Local.Dada]

naah most of them hate muslims

Then you shouldn’t have a problem with the generalization about Palestinians fighting against Israel. Obviously I am talking about the “T” word.

In fact Any one who uses kids as suicide bombers are terrorists in my book no matter what they are fighting for. So won’t dignify by calling such groups as freedom fighters.

It may sting but most people who are championing these causes in Kashmir or Palestine would want their kids to stay away from physically participating in any of these unrest’s. It wouldn’t be the case if they believed in this noble cause. Would it?

 

[El Generico]

So you are generalizing every Indian living in Middle East as a Muslim hater?

You realize that there are plenty of Indian Muslims in Middle East and plenty of other Indians too who
have a secular outlook.

May be one needs to get more aware about demographics of neighboring countries before bleeding for middle eastern countries with no real ethnic or religious connection.

Obviously I didn’t mean every single Indian, I know a lot Indians are sane and good people. However it’s not a secret that many Indians have intense hate for Muslims despite living and working in Muslim countries. In fact last year there were cases of Indians being deported from UAE/KSA for being Islamophobic.

Anyways my post was in response to you saying that Palestinians living in the US are hypocrites because US is pro-Israel. My point was that your flawed logic can be applied to any group.

 

[MenInG]

Federal Minister for Information and Broadcasting Fawad Chaudhry on Friday said Pakistan played a leading role in efforts to end Israeli atrocities against Palestinians, who had braved unabated bombardment from occupation forces for over two weeks.

He was interacting with foreign media here on the occasion of Palestine Solidarity Day observed across the country on the call of Prime Minister Imran Khan. “Pakistan took a firm stand, mustered support of friendly countries and represented the Muslim Ummah’s true sentiments over the Palestinians’ plight at the special session of United Nations General Assembly in an effective manner,” the minister said.

Fawad was of the view that efforts yielded the required results as a ceasefire had been reached between Hamas and Israel, terming it a “success” of Pakistan and its friendly countries’ efforts to mitigate the sufferings of Palestinians.

He added that Pakistan’s response to the Israeli aggression was “unequivocal,” as it instantly reached out to the international community urging them to play a “constructive role” in stopping the killings of Palestinians.

Sharing some efforts of the government in defusing the tension, he said PM Imran had met the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) Secretary General in Makkah, Saudi Arabia, and made telephonic contacts with the Saudi king, Palestinian and Turkish presidents.

Besides, he added, Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi reached out to his counterparts in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Palestine, Turkey, Afghanistan, China, United States, and Sudan, and discussed the situation in Palestine.

Fawad said FM Qureshi participated in the Emergency Meeting of the OIC’s Foreign Ministers and presented the case for Palestine, issuing a strong statement condemning Israeli cruelties against the Palestinians.

The information minister said Pakistan’s National Assembly unanimously passed a resolution against Israel’s actions, supporting the cause of Palestine and the struggle of its people. “The Israeli aggression against Palestinians and the sacrilege of Al-Aqsa Mosque, one of the holiest places in the world, especially during Ramazan, is highly condemnable.”

Fawad deplored that the indiscriminate use of force by the Israeli occupation forces resulted in the martyrdom of Palestinians, including women and children, in Gaza and the West Bank.

“Such attacks are against all humanitarian norms, human rights, and international laws,” he said, “We strongly denounce the systematic and brutal disenfranchisement, exclusion and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people.”

He added: “We reject the continuing practice of expanding settlements through forced evictions (of Palestinians) by the apartheid regime, which are in violation of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention and the United Nations Security Council Resolution 2334.”

The minister recalled relevant resolutions introduced by Pakistan in the UN regarding Occupied Palestinian Territories, especially the seminal UNSC Resolution 271, which was adopted after the incident of the burning of Al-Aqsa Mosque in 1969.

He reiterated Pakistan’s support for the Palestinian cause and reaffirmed unwavering political, diplomatic, and moral support to the “brave and resilient” Palestinian people. He also called for solidarity among the Muslim Ummah to support the efforts to resolve the Palestine dispute in accordance with the relevant UN and OIC resolutions.

“Pakistan wanted withdrawal of Israel from all occupied Arab territories, including Jerusalem, restitution of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people such as their right to self-determination, right of return to Palestine, and establishment of an independent, viable and contiguous Palestinian state, with pre-1967 borders and Al- Quds Al-Sharif as its capital,” Fawad added.

To a query, the information minister said the foundation of Pakistan’s policy regarding Palestine was laid by Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah, and now PM Imran Khan was its custodian. “Pakistan’s relevant departments are in contact with the Palestinian Embassy to extend Covid-related and emergency medical assistance to Palestine,” he said.

To another question regarding FM Qureshi’s remarks, he said: “Suggesting that deep pockets influence media cannot be termed anti-Semitic.”

To another query, Fawad said that “some influential and wealthy lobbyists” lacked interest in resolving the issues of Palestine and Kashmir, and were creating hurdles in their early settlement.

“Pakistan never took dictation from any country in its internal and international matters as it always takes decisions independently, keeping the national interest supreme.”

He also spoke about ties to India. Fawad said that Pakistan wanted peace with India, and was ready to talk and initiate a trade with it, but India would have to revert back to the position of the 5th August 2019 as “we cannot move forward by ignoring the situation in the Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu and Kashmir.”

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2301033/fawad-recounts-pakistans-efforts-to-end-israeli-atrocities

 

[Markhor]

In a massive show of solidarity with Palestinians, thousands of Karachiites turned up at the unprecedented ‘Pakistan for Palestine’ demonstration at the Karachi Press Club (KPC) on Wednesday, demanding an immediate ceasefire from Israel and an end to the bombing of Gaza.

The demonstrators, including representatives of the the Karachi Union of Journalists (KUJ), Pakistan Federal Union of Journalists (PFUJ), Pakistan Medical Association (PMA), National Trade Union Federation (NTBA), Home-Based Women Workers Association and the Karachi Tax Bar Association (KTBA) along with thousands of citizens, called for an immediate end to the occupation and demolition of Al-Aqsa Mosque and Palestinian settlements, including Sheikh Jarrah, and for an end to the forced eviction of local Palestinians.

The idea for the protest started from social media and ended up at the KPC, with a large number of citizens, mostly young college students, from across a cross-section of society condemning Israeli onslaught of violence. Holding placards condemning the genocide of Palestinians, the protesters chanted "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free." The crowd was unprecedented and the numbers kept going up, as a result of which the areas around Zainab Market, Saddar and Shaheen Complex saw gridlocks for hours.

Neha Mohammad and her husband Abdul Kaleem Shiekh, a young Karachi couple, were accompanied by their children and family members at the protest. Talking to Dawn.com, Mohammad said she saw the call for protest on social media. Commenting on the situation in Palestine and the killing of innocent children, she said, “We were feeling helpless sitting at home. This is the least we can do to show support to the Palestinians.”

“We want an end to the occupation. We want the world to see and support innocent Palestinians,” said Murtaza, an engineering student.

“What is happening in Palestine is inhumane. This must be called out,” said Nafees, a student of Karachi University. “They can block social media posts but we need to continue to raise our voice against these atrocities,” said Sana Khan.

“The turnout was a lot more than we expected. Pakistan and Karachiites care about this humanitarian disaster,” said Filzah Asif, an organiser of the event.

A student at the Denning Law School, she said, “We saw that there were no protests in Karachi on the Palestine issue. Me and Namra Masood (another organiser) decided to use Instagram and that’s how [MENTION=411]Pakistan[/MENTION]forpalestine was created.

“It’s a student and female-led initiative to raise awareness about the genocide, apartheid and ethnic cleansing in Palestine and all the terrorism being committed by Israel," said Asif. “We are very grateful and thankful to the citizens of Karachi for showing up,” she added.

“We call on the government of Pakistan and Pakistani citizens to join us in the campaign to spread awareness on the streets, media and social media about the atrocities committed by Israel against the Palestinians in the Nakba from 1948 to date. We declare our full solidarity and support with the Palestinian resistance. We strongly condemn the Israeli bombing of the offices of independent media outlets,” a demand by the demonstrators read.

The protestors called for a “progressive and prosperous Palestine”.

“This is such a big show of solidarity,” said KUJ General Secretary and the Karachi bureau chief of Geo News Faheem Siddiqui. “In my professional career spanning over two decades, I have never seen such a massive non-political crowd at the KPC,” he said, while commending the spirit of Karachiites to stand up for Palestinians.

In pictures: Pakistanis rally in major cities against Israeli attacks on Gaza

Israeli attacks on media slammed
Students carry signs as they chant slogans to express solidarity with Palestinian people, during a protest organised by the Students Action Committee in Karachi on Wednesday. — Reuters
The KUJ called on the United Nations to immediately declare Israel a terrorist state for its atrocities in Palestine, especially for targeting media houses. “Make official arrangements for the repatriation of independent journalists from Pakistan to Palestine so that Israeli atrocities can be exposed to the world,” a statement issued by the union said.

The KUJ has appealed to the journalist community across the country, including Karachi, to realise their responsibilities in the wake of the Israeli attack on media houses and to maximise the news, videos and photos obtained from other sources of Israeli barbarism in Palestine.

Addressing the protest, PTI MNA Shehzad Qureshi urged Prime Minister Imran Khan to intensify his efforts to resolve the Palestinian issue. “The Israeli oppression of Palestine should be stopped. Muslim countries must work together to find a solution to the Palestinian problem.”

Speaking on the occasion, Shamshad Qureshi, a member of the Central Executive Committee of the Pak Sarzamin Party, slammed Muslim countries for their silence which boosted Israel's morale so much that it has now targeted media houses. “We stand with journalists from all over the world including Pakistan and will continue to highlight their voices.”

Addressing the protest, KUJ General Secretary Fahim Siddiqui said the "journalist community of the country is with the Palestinian media and the oppressed.” He urged the media houses to provide maximum coverage to the Israeli barbarism and aggression.

Addressing the demonstration, PMA Central General Secretary Dr Qaiser Sajjad said that a humanitarian tragedy had arisen in Palestine, with Israeli bombings killing hundreds of civilians there, including journalists. “International organisations, including the Red Cross, have a role to play in providing medical treatment and medicine to the injured. Pakistani doctors are also ready to play their part,” he added.

PTBA President Zeeshan Merchant said that by targeting the media in Palestine, Israel has tried to prevent its atrocities from being exposed to the world, but its efforts will fail. NTUF General Secretary Nasir Mansour said that as long as Israel had the support of the United States, it would continue to target the media and civilians in Palestine. “Countries should form a bloc and boycott Israel and the United States," he added.

In his address, KUJ Acting President Ijaz Sheikh condemned the Israeli attacks on media houses in Palestine and said that in the current situation, the responsibilities of the Pakistani government have greatly increased to resolve the Palestinian issue and prevent Israeli attacks.

Home Based Women Workers Federation General Secretary Zahra Khan, Palestine Foundation leader Bashir Saduzai and others also addressed the demonstration.

DAWN

I'm all for protesting for Palestinians but I hope these civil rights groups and mediawalas turn out in the same numbers and bring out their placards also for the Hazara Shias butchered in Balochistan and elsewhere by groups formerly tolerated by the state.

Or the persecution of Ahmedis, including our national heroes who helped establish Pakistan's nuclear programme without which India would've bombed us many times over. We have no business giving lectures about human rights.

 

[King_Kohli]

Blast kills several at pro-Palestine rally in southwest Pakistan

Quetta/Islamabad, Pakistan – A bomb blast has killed at least seven people at a pro-Palestinian rally in the southwestern Pakistani border town of Chaman, police and hospital officials said.

The explosion took place as participants of the rally, organized by a regional religious political party, were dispersing, police official Muhammad Iqbal told Al Jazeera.
“There was a rally there, and as soon as it was ending and people were dispersing that is when the blast occurred,” he said via telephone.

Iqbal said the explosives had been planted in a motorcycle parked near the location of the rally.

The death toll stood at seven killed and 17 wounded, local hospital official Akhtar Muhammad told Al Jazeera. The condition of three of the wounded is critical and they have been moved to the provincial capital, Quetta, about 100km (62 miles) southeast of Chaman.

A small town of about 150,000 residents in Pakistan’s southwestern Balochistan province, Chaman is one of the main border crossings between Pakistan and its northwestern neighbour Afghanistan.

Abdul Qadir Loni, the regional chief of the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam religious party’s Nazriati faction (JUI-N), which was hosting the rally, told Al Jazeera via telephone that the blast occurred as he was leaving the venue.
Loni said he heard a loud explosion and was hurried into his vehicle, and that he had faced threats to his life in recent months.

Local police official Maqsood Ahmed confirmed that the blast took place at the conclusion of the rally.

Rallies in support of Palestinians were held across Pakistan on Friday, as the country marked Palestine Day in solidarity with the people of Gaza following the 11-day conflict with Israel in which at least 243 Palestinians in Gaza and 12 Israelis were killed.

Balochistan is Pakistan’s largest but least populated province, and has seen several attacks in recent months.


Pakistan’s military has been battling an armed ethnic separatist movement in the province for more than a decade, and elements of the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and its allies have also claimed attacks in the province in the past.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/21/blast-kills-several-at-pro-palestine-rally-in-southwest-pakistan

 

[PakLFC]

Your post was confusing. What is your stand on this matter? it was a bit vague from above.

My view is clear as water. Pakistanis as Muslim's are compelled to defend Islam's holiest sites but not Arab people at all. Secondly, not every Pakistani Muslim or not is religious as many people generally seem to think.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

A doctor Palestinian? That's the way to go.

Tell him we need more like him.

There are plenty, what's with the patronising tone?.

 

[Varun]

My view is clear as water. Pakistanis as Muslim's are compelled to defend Islam's holiest sites but not Arab people at all. Secondly, not every Pakistani Muslim or not is religious as many people generally seem to think.

Salute to you. Goes against your signature a bit, but that's the stand everybody here should take.