When will Mohammad Hafeez be removed from the line-up?

[ExpressPacer]

The only man who comes to mind when I think of the defeat last night is Mohammad Hafeez. Sure, he scored an 88 but on this pitch, this should've been on 70 deliveries if not fewer. He sucked the life out of the game in the initial stages of his innings. The only runs he got were against spinners and even the commentators were getting annoyed with his constant blocking vs the fast bowlers. As soon as Shannon Gabriel would come onto bowl, Hafeez would start leaving the balls as if he were playing the first day of Test match in South African conditions.

Nurse, Mohammad and even our own Malik showed us that this pitch was a gem for batting and there was no need for Hafeez to play the way he did.

But that is not where the misery ends. Apart from his shabby performances with the bat, Hafeez also brings the seniority factor into context. He replaced Babar Azam for the No.3 spot, the spot where Babar has played prolifically and scored numerous centuries. Babar has got to be one of the most brightest upcoming cricketing talents in the world and not only will we be deprived of his great knocks because of Hafeez but we will also see him losing confidence for the future. Some players will call him out for adjusting to new positions or for the need to play quicker but lets just be happy with what we have, a potential world class cricketer.

The less said about his bowling the better.

Now all of this said begs the question, when can we hope to be finally rid off Hafeez? I have a feeling his is already in the plans for the next World Cup. What do you guys think? Discuss. Is there a chance he can at least be dropped for the CT '17?

 

[Mir jibran]

well this seems to be the season of retirements
hope hafeez announces retirement out of nowhere

 

[Moiza]

I hate him more than any player who has played for Pakistan.

He is such a cunning person. He's not dumb like Shahzad that when he plays selfishly it's very obvious, he's extremely selfish but somehow always escapes the selfish criticism he deserves. His playing for Pakistan for so long should be considered a miracle. A good for nothing failure, always performs against minnows but falls on his face against proper teams.

 

[ExpressPacer]

I hate him more than any player who has played for Pakistan.

He is such a cunning person. He's not dumb like Shahzad that when he plays selfishly it's very obvious, he's extremely selfish but somehow always escapes the selfish criticism he deserves. His playing for Pakistan for so long should be considered a miracle. A good for nothing failure, always performs against minnows but falls on his face against proper teams.

Exactly. I despise Shehzad too, but at least there is some hope with him given he's young and obviously more talented. But Hafeez, he's a joke of a cricketer. Wouldn't make it into the Afghanistan XI.

 

[Madplayer]

His end score is a proof that how statistics can be misleading. Some people look at scorecards and think he played well by scoring 88 off 92. He didnt!!

If he would have scored just 60 by keeping a consistent strike rate of 90, his contribution would have been good.

The way he played yesterday, only a 130 (100) from him could have repaired the damage he had done.

 

[Rudi hater]

Hafeez and Aamir lost the match for Pakistan yesterday. Aamir should be out of the next match and replaced by Junaid. Hafeez should be sent at 6/7 coz he is selfish and cosumed so many delivery where we could have scored 330-340 we ended up 309. If we have a repalcement for him on the tour he should be replaced.

 

[ExpressPacer]

His end score is a proof that how statistics can be misleading. Some people look at scorecards and think he played well by scoring 88 off 92. He didnt!!

If he would have scored just 60 by keeping a consistent strike rate of 90, his contribution would have been good.

The way he played yesterday, only a 130 (100) from him could have repaired the damage he had done.

Absolutely. This is why cricket is not a game of statistics and players cannot be judged on the basis of Cricinfo scorecards. He sucked the life out of the game on a pitch where the likes of Nurse and Mohammad were scoring quick runs.

 

[Rudi hater]

His end score is a proof that how statistics can be misleading. Some people look at scorecards and think he played well by scoring 88 off 92. He didnt!!

If he would have scored just 60 by keeping a consistent strike rate of 90, his contribution would have been good.


The way he played yesterday, only a 130 (100) from him could have repaired the damage he had done.

I agree,you only have to compare his strike rate with Jason Mohammed both scored the same sort of runs but look at the strike rate Jason Mohammed was pklaying under pressure whereas Hafeez had no such pressure, Pathetic.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Hafeez and Aamir lost the match for Pakistan yesterday. Aamir should be out of the next match and replaced by Junaid. Hafeez should be sent at 6/7 coz he is selfish and cosumed so many delivery where we could have scored 330-340 we ended up 309. If we have a repalcement for him on the tour he should be replaced.

Not so sure about Amir but if you say so. However, do you think the management will take the big decision of sending Hafeez to 6/7? IMO, either Hafeez should play or Imad. The two of them don't make the same team and they should bat at 7 with Shadab coming in at 6.

 

[Pete Rose]

He is not cunning and never has he tried to be: he is a professional and team person to the core.
Unfortunately he was never a player for big moments or big teams: and that was the case ten year ago and it's the case now.
He was selected, that's why he is here. As usual fault lies with those selecting him in the squad and the team

 

[Rudi hater]

Not so sure about Amir but if you say so. However, do you think the management will take the big decision of sending Hafeez to 6/7? IMO, either Hafeez should play or Imad. The two of them don't make the same team and they should bat at 7 with Shadab coming in at 6.

I think if the management does not decide soon enough the this team would have to go through qualfication for the world cup. They simply cannot sit back. Also Sarfraz needs to learn to let the bowlers bowl how they want to and get involved with setting the field. Aamir is taking his place for granted therefore he needs to to be shaken. The way he bowled yesterday was pathetic, why bowl short or full toss on the legs at the crucial satges when you are better served with bowling yorkers.

 

[Brilliance]

He should hang his boots after CT .

 

[Mamoon]

Champions Trophy, one hopes.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

well this seems to be the season of retirements
hope hafeez announces retirement out of nowhere

no he will comeback to tests to take the no.3 spot...is what i think

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Champions Trophy, one hopes.

no he will score the same way as he did ysday to keep his spot alive

 

[Mamoon]

no he will score the same way as he did ysday to keep his spot alive

He will fail against the big teams as usual. He was there for the taking yesterday but WI is not Australia, India, England and South Africa. He will always be in his element against WI and Sri Lanka.

 

[Ramez]

Its unfair to accuse him for the defeat. I would say wahab hassan and amir were responsible and rwo of them shd be dropped for the series now. Pak would have taken anything above 280 at the toss.

 

[Mir jibran]

Its unfair to accuse him for the defeat. I would say wahab hassan and amir were responsible and rwo of them shd be dropped for the series now. Pak would have taken anything above 280 at the toss.

we played 141 dot balls
if we had only scored 70 runs of those balls this was our match
and shehzad and hafeez should be blamed

 

[Cheetah99]

Its unfair to accuse him for the defeat. I would say wahab hassan and amir were responsible and rwo of them shd be dropped for the series now. Pak would have taken anything above 280 at the toss.

LOOOOL srsly bro?
just look around whats happening in cricket right now, there are teams scoring 400 at will and we are happy with our mere 280, is that how pathetic we guys are

 

[Ramez]

They r scoring but on flatest of tracks. Rohit sharma scored 267 on a road and u cant compare that to 189 scored by viv. Conditions matter

 

[Pakpak]

He will fail against the big teams as usual. He was there for the taking yesterday but WI is not Australia, India, England and South Africa. He will always be in his element against WI and Sri Lanka.

In typical fashion he will fail for 2 games and then end up 'injured'. So when players are kicked out after CT, bingo, Hafeez will be selected back.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

PCB will definitely keep him for CT,hopefully that will be his last international outing.

 

[Ramez]

Sure they did waste many balls but what i think is that 308 was more than enuf againist this handicapped WI team.

 

[Madplayer]

Sure they did waste many balls but what i think is that 308 was more than enuf againist this handicapped WI team.

Wi is a team of hacks. You dont take hacks lightly ever. You try to get as many against them as you can because you know they have the muscle to chase big scores if just 2 of their batsmen click and score big. If you allow WI to stay in the game till 40-42nd overs and not kill the game before that, their powerful hacks can give you nightmares. Their mishits go for sixes.

 

[Ishfaq bhat]

Only pakistan team management have a talent to destroy pakistani talent.

There is no need to promote Hafeez in place of Babar Azam. If doing so it will destroy both Babar Azams talent and his record. Please make it sure to place him in same place which he used to play before that is one down place.
Thanks

 

[Arham_PakFan]

A horrible cricketer.Insha Allah he will be kicked out soon.Hope he succeeds for the next two matches so he is picked for the CT and exposed(once again) there.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Sure they did waste many balls but what i think is that 308 was more than enuf againist this handicapped WI team.

This sort of thinking is why we are in danger of having to play qualifiers for the World Cup.

 

[Syed1]

We should all have a round of applause for Inzi the revolutionary for reviving Hafeez's career. Thank you Inzi what would we ever do without you.

 

[ExpressPacer]

He will fail against the big teams as usual. He was there for the taking yesterday but WI is not Australia, India, England and South Africa. He will always be in his element against WI and Sri Lanka.

Also not to forget, even if he does score, such an innings will do us more bad than good, even if its a century. This is not modern day cricket. You don't leave balls in LOI's, especially in the middle stage of the innings. You don't nudge around the spinners and hope for the best. Hafeez needs to be axed regardless of how many runs he scores - if its not at a good pace, its not good enough.

 

[Kianig89]

Top scorer econ. Bowler intellectual playya leaderly presence what else u want

 

[aloo paratha]

The only way I will even allow him in the team is if he bats at 6.

Sadly, it seems we are stuck with his garbage for another year at least.

 

[Gr8Gaur]

The only way I will even allow him in the team is if he bats at 6.

Sadly, it seems we are stuck with his garbage for another year at least.

LOL! Fir to PAK jeetne se raha kabhi. At no.6 you need Maxi/Stokes/Miller to hit their way out of the ground and add those 15-20 runs extra that wins you the game in a tight situation. May I know the strike Rate of Hafeez please ?

 

[BD-fan]

We should all have a round of applause for Inzi the revolutionary for reviving Hafeez's career. Thank you Inzi what would we ever do without you.

Inzi may choose the touring party, but he wasn't there to choose the final 11.

 

[Brainy sturdy]

The narrow vision of the pcb plus the individual greed of the players has ensured that for a long time to come the Pakistan cricket will go from bad to worse. The low intellectual level of the legend Inzi is reflected in the statement given by him where he says , "I'll ensure that Akmal gets every chance he deserves". At the time when every team is grooming new talent and giving chance to youngsters the Pakistan management finds it difficult to part ways with tested failures like Shehzad , Akmal , Malik and list goes on . While the neighbours are busy building a future team with legends in making what Pakistan is doing is both shameful and painful . The point has come where people have started losing intrest in Pakistan cricket . With next world cup ahead the whole team needs to be changed .We are losing anyways so why not loose with some dignity . A major overhaul is needed ,bring in new faces give them consistent chances and make a new team .

 

[BD-fan]

LOL! Fir to PAK jeetne se raha kabhi. At no.6 you need Maxi/Stokes/Miller to hit their way out of the ground and add those 15-20 runs extra that wins you the game in a tight situation. May I know the strike Rate of Hafeez please ?

very valid question. Must be a T20 star in the local leagues.

 

[MMHS]

At his own time, term. May be after 2020 T20 WC. This is if umpires don't call him again, otherwise, it can be till 2023 WC.

Posters who are day dreaming should notice that this guy after a horror show in PSL (which looks to be the prime selection criteria these days for LOs) & being dropped from T20 side has successfully replaced the kid from No. 3, whose lowest of last 3 innings at same spot & same opponents reads ~121 & who has 4 innings of 100+ in last 8 outings, for a sum of 600+ runs at 90+ SR - 5 of those against AUS, in AUS, with their 1st choice attack. AND, this is after utmost backing for the kid from the Head Coach. Had Arthur not been there ......

It's not only that MoHa has good links & he is a great speaker - the main reason is entirely cricket, which I explained many times. MoHa is rated highest by most PAK cricket pundits, not only as an LO All-rounder (which he was indeed in Asian condition), but as a pure batsman & more importantly as a top 3 batsman. It was quite evident when PAK took him to WC in AUS/NZ, despite being banned from bowling & had he not been unfit, he would have batted in top 3 every time. I have heard people comparing him with Majid Khan - people who had seen Majid, in fact played with Majid. The reputation that MoHa has, I really doubt that he'll be dropped from the LO squad & his relationship'll keep him in playing XI (& he is good enough to keep his spot with his bits & pieces performances against sub standard sides).

The question is why? And this is where I am going to upset few people. Only reason is the batting intelligence of PAK as a cricket nation. I have read lot & heard lot from PAK buzurgs regarding cricket, particularly batting & I can safely say that it's below per what we have in Dhaka League. More or less Minhaz, Aminul, Farooq, Akram, Naimur, Basher ... are involved in some capacity with Club or national cricket & they do posses far better knowledge on what is the core KPI of a modern batsman than the likes of .... I shouldn't name. This is not because they are born with better intelligence or groomed in better system or they themselves were better batsmen - rather it's about the approach - how you prepare yourself for a different job than your core skills. I have never heard dumb people talking so confidently, arrogantly like I hear in PCB's cricket programs, when it's about batting .... again, I shouldn't name here, but I heard one former great to say that PAK should take 3 openers in AUS (WC) & play them at 1-2-3, because we know it swings & bounces there. These people has the biggest issue - they don't listen, don't read, don't educate themselves & don't come out of their own world. It's what I know is correct & final.

Now, coming to MoHa - who is he? An absolute mediocre player with very little in aspects that makes a great batsman - technique, footwork, temperament. But, he is blessed with 2 natural qualities - his God gifted timing & his eye sight. To be honest, when he is in full flow, on flat wickets, against sub-per attack, MoHa is a treat to watch; easily the most elegant batsman in South Asia, better than Tamim, Kohli or even Sanga to watch. Exquisite placements & every shot in the book with planted feet - just backed by smooth timing & eye sight, which works fantastically when chips are up. I can safely say that if we see respective batting in dark vision (like photo negatives), hardly anyone will be able to identify who is Mohammad Hafeez & who is Mark Waugh.

Unfortunately, PAK's batting intelligence ends there - MoHa scored an 85 against Mughabe's ZIMBoks & Majid scored an 85 against WI in 1979 WC Semi Final - AND I must say, aesthetically MoHa was superior in his innings than Majid; aggressive as well, since he took almost 2/3rd of the balls - the Basit Ali standard logic will be ........ One can listen to any "intellectual" discussion in PAK ranks regarding MoHa, should get the confidence that he'll be around till 2020 at least.

I sound sarcastic here, but I can't find any better logic to explain this from someone, who was one of the ATG batsman & a true legend of the game under pressure, when it comes to selecting MoHa & put him at the spot where a kid has scored 600+ in 8 innings at 90+ SR.
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] - you asked for it.............

Sorry for my rant - I don't have better way to explain this nonsense.

 

[DRsohail]

our bgladeshi brother has summed up everything and cant be more agree than this....whatever u wanna see just read this post...

 

[DRsohail]

The narrow vision of the pcb plus the individual greed of the players has ensured that for a long time to come the Pakistan cricket will go from bad to worse. The low intellectual level of the legend Inzi is reflected in the statement given by him where he says , "I'll ensure that Akmal gets every chance he deserves". At the time when every team is grooming new talent and giving chance to youngsters the Pakistan management finds it difficult to part ways with tested failures like Shehzad , Akmal , Malik and list goes on . While the neighbours are busy building a future team with legends in making what Pakistan is doing is both shameful and painful . The point has come where people have started losing intrest in Pakistan cricket . With next world cup ahead the whole team needs to be changed .We are losing anyways so why not loose with some dignity . A major overhaul is needed ,bring in new faces give them consistent chances and make a new team .

you and MHHS deserve post of the week award....pp admin are you listening????

 

[Kitchlew]

If babar plays almost run a ball, Majestic knock... If hafeez play smilar type of innings, he is selfish.

 

[Speedster777]

Hafeez is the most disgusting player to ever play for Pak. We lost the match because of his useless innings. Thanks to Inzi and Misbah for inflicting this TTF on our team. They've been promoting him. We've always failed because of this man on big occasions. First off, he's not a batsman he's a hack and secondly he plays dirty politics to keep out youngsters thats what he did with Babar. There's no reason why this TTF got promoted over a talented youngster.

 

[Speedster777]

Hafeez should be force retired.

 

[ExpressPacer]

At his own time, term. May be after 2020 T20 WC. This is if umpires don't call him again, otherwise, it can be till 2023 WC.

Posters who are day dreaming should notice that this guy after a horror show in PSL (which looks to be the prime selection criteria these days for LOs) & being dropped from T20 side has successfully replaced the kid from No. 3, whose lowest of last 3 innings at same spot & same opponents reads ~121 & who has 4 innings of 100+ in last 8 outings, for a sum of 600+ runs at 90+ SR - 5 of those against AUS, in AUS, with their 1st choice attack. AND, this is after utmost backing for the kid from the Head Coach. Had Arthur not been there ......

It's not only that MoHa has good links & he is a great speaker - the main reason is entirely cricket, which I explained many times. MoHa is rated highest by most PAK cricket pundits, not only as an LO All-rounder (which he was indeed in Asian condition), but as a pure batsman & more importantly as a top 3 batsman. It was quite evident when PAK took him to WC in AUS/NZ, despite being banned from bowling & had he not been unfit, he would have batted in top 3 every time. I have heard people comparing him with Majid Khan - people who had seen Majid, in fact played with Majid. The reputation that MoHa has, I really doubt that he'll be dropped from the LO squad & his relationship'll keep him in playing XI (& he is good enough to keep his spot with his bits & pieces performances against sub standard sides).

The question is why? And this is where I am going to upset few people. Only reason is the batting intelligence of PAK as a cricket nation. I have read lot & heard lot from PAK buzurgs regarding cricket, particularly batting & I can safely say that it's below per what we have in Dhaka League. More or less Minhaz, Aminul, Farooq, Akram, Naimur, Basher ... are involved in some capacity with Club or national cricket & they do posses far better knowledge on what is the core KPI of a modern batsman than the likes of .... I shouldn't name. This is not because they are born with better intelligence or groomed in better system or they themselves were better batsmen - rather it's about the approach - how you prepare yourself for a different job than your core skills. I have never heard dumb people talking so confidently, arrogantly like I hear in PCB's cricket programs, when it's about batting .... again, I shouldn't name here, but I heard one former great to say that PAK should take 3 openers in AUS (WC) & play them at 1-2-3, because we know it swings & bounces there. These people has the biggest issue - they don't listen, don't read, don't educate themselves & don't come out of their own world. It's what I know is correct & final.

Now, coming to MoHa - who is he? An absolute mediocre player with very little in aspects that makes a great batsman - technique, footwork, temperament. But, he is blessed with 2 natural qualities - his God gifted timing & his eye sight. To be honest, when he is in full flow, on flat wickets, against sub-per attack, MoHa is a treat to watch; easily the most elegant batsman in South Asia, better than Tamim, Kohli or even Sanga to watch. Exquisite placements & every shot in the book with planted feet - just backed by smooth timing & eye sight, which works fantastically when chips are up. I can safely say that if we see respective batting in dark vision (like photo negatives), hardly anyone will be able to identify who is Mohammad Hafeez & who is Mark Waugh.

Unfortunately, PAK's batting intelligence ends there - MoHa scored an 85 against Mughabe's ZIMBoks & Majid scored an 85 against WI in 1979 WC Semi Final - AND I must say, aesthetically MoHa was superior in his innings than Majid; aggressive as well, since he took almost 2/3rd of the balls - the Basit Ali standard logic will be ........ One can listen to any "intellectual" discussion in PAK ranks regarding MoHa, should get the confidence that he'll be around till 2020 at least.

I sound sarcastic here, but I can't find any better logic to explain this from someone, who was one of the ATG batsman & a true legend of the game under pressure, when it comes to selecting MoHa & put him at the spot where a kid has scored 600+ in 8 innings at 90+ SR.

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] - you asked for it.............

Sorry for my rant - I don't have better way to explain this nonsense.

Thanks for the reality check. This post made my day a little worse but we have to be realistic and there is not one word in this entire post (a very long one at that) that I can disagree with. The pessimist in me thinks that he may as well continue to play even until after the 2023 World Cup given the support he gets that you pointed out. A pathetic PSL, an abysmal Aus series with one fluke of a knock and venom-less bowling gets him to replace the best batsman we've had in years - one can only think of what it would take for us to get him to call it a day ...or be axed.

Any-who, great post. I'll say it again, heart breaking, but the bitter truth.

 

[shaz619]

At his own time, term. May be after 2020 T20 WC. This is if umpires don't call him again, otherwise, it can be till 2023 WC.

Posters who are day dreaming should notice that this guy after a horror show in PSL (which looks to be the prime selection criteria these days for LOs) & being dropped from T20 side has successfully replaced the kid from No. 3, whose lowest of last 3 innings at same spot & same opponents reads ~121 & who has 4 innings of 100+ in last 8 outings, for a sum of 600+ runs at 90+ SR - 5 of those against AUS, in AUS, with their 1st choice attack. AND, this is after utmost backing for the kid from the Head Coach. Had Arthur not been there ......

It's not only that MoHa has good links & he is a great speaker - the main reason is entirely cricket, which I explained many times. MoHa is rated highest by most PAK cricket pundits, not only as an LO All-rounder (which he was indeed in Asian condition), but as a pure batsman & more importantly as a top 3 batsman. It was quite evident when PAK took him to WC in AUS/NZ, despite being banned from bowling & had he not been unfit, he would have batted in top 3 every time. I have heard people comparing him with Majid Khan - people who had seen Majid, in fact played with Majid. The reputation that MoHa has, I really doubt that he'll be dropped from the LO squad & his relationship'll keep him in playing XI (& he is good enough to keep his spot with his bits & pieces performances against sub standard sides).

The question is why? And this is where I am going to upset few people. Only reason is the batting intelligence of PAK as a cricket nation. I have read lot & heard lot from PAK buzurgs regarding cricket, particularly batting & I can safely say that it's below per what we have in Dhaka League. More or less Minhaz, Aminul, Farooq, Akram, Naimur, Basher ... are involved in some capacity with Club or national cricket & they do posses far better knowledge on what is the core KPI of a modern batsman than the likes of .... I shouldn't name. This is not because they are born with better intelligence or groomed in better system or they themselves were better batsmen - rather it's about the approach - how you prepare yourself for a different job than your core skills. I have never heard dumb people talking so confidently, arrogantly like I hear in PCB's cricket programs, when it's about batting .... again, I shouldn't name here, but I heard one former great to say that PAK should take 3 openers in AUS (WC) & play them at 1-2-3, because we know it swings & bounces there. These people has the biggest issue - they don't listen, don't read, don't educate themselves & don't come out of their own world. It's what I know is correct & final.

Now, coming to MoHa - who is he? An absolute mediocre player with very little in aspects that makes a great batsman - technique, footwork, temperament. But, he is blessed with 2 natural qualities - his God gifted timing & his eye sight. To be honest, when he is in full flow, on flat wickets, against sub-per attack, MoHa is a treat to watch; easily the most elegant batsman in South Asia, better than Tamim, Kohli or even Sanga to watch. Exquisite placements & every shot in the book with planted feet - just backed by smooth timing & eye sight, which works fantastically when chips are up. I can safely say that if we see respective batting in dark vision (like photo negatives), hardly anyone will be able to identify who is Mohammad Hafeez & who is Mark Waugh.

Unfortunately, PAK's batting intelligence ends there - MoHa scored an 85 against Mughabe's ZIMBoks & Majid scored an 85 against WI in 1979 WC Semi Final - AND I must say, aesthetically MoHa was superior in his innings than Majid; aggressive as well, since he took almost 2/3rd of the balls - the Basit Ali standard logic will be ........ One can listen to any "intellectual" discussion in PAK ranks regarding MoHa, should get the confidence that he'll be around till 2020 at least.

I sound sarcastic here, but I can't find any better logic to explain this from someone, who was one of the ATG batsman & a true legend of the game under pressure, when it comes to selecting MoHa & put him at the spot where a kid has scored 600+ in 8 innings at 90+ SR.

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] - you asked for it.............

Sorry for my rant - I don't have better way to explain this nonsense.

A very good detailed post regarding the situation, although I was expecting a little more spicier information with regards to Hafeez's influence in terms of his relationships and the individuals higher up who are responsible for his selection potentially beyond his sweet talking which does seem to be the main reason for his selection in addition to the lack of batting intelligence which many folk in Pakistan do not hold but the big question is, has Mickey Arther been seduced as well? or is there just too much influence for him to overcome?

 

[DRsohail]

If babar plays almost run a ball, Majestic knock... If hafeez play smilar type of innings, he is selfish.

when you started to watch cricket????

 

[mohnip]

Pakistan deserve to be in top bottom.

Do anyone know why pak cricket is at bottom???
As simple is that the selection panel doesn't have any sense...
What does seniority brings to table,, 75 ball fifty...i bet any junior can also perform like that and if worked hard can perform better(ex-sharjeel) but selection panel keep selecting Hafeez.. why do u think hafeez is still in the team...simply bcoz he considers himself lucky in all 3 facet of game. Also his game in australia was better( 1 fifty+ score with drop catch) .
Pakistan lost yesterday bcoz of 2 reasons:
1> Babar demoted to no.4 bcoz of legend hafeez.
2> hafeez played like test batsman..


Really sorry for being so rude, but hafeez and selection panel deserve this..

 

[chashmish]

Hafeez should be force retired.

a guy scores 90 odd runs at a strike rate of 90, takes 1 wkt and gives away 35 runs in 8 overs and gets the blame for losing the match, when the opposition chased down 130 runs in last 13 overs! When the world class bowlers can't defend 130 runs in last 13 overs then blaming a batsman for losing the match is laughable. In the last 5 ODIs, we won 1 just 1 match against Australia and the man of the match was hafeez. He is no Bradman but he's certainly not the worst player in Pakistan team.

 

[ExplicitAI]

He'll batter teams like BD, SL, India, WI, Zim, Afg etc, but he will always get out to top bowling teams with strong swing bowlers. I don't think Mickey wants him in the team anymore given Malik is a better player.

 

[in_cutter]

Unbelievable prospect of both Kamran & Hafeez playing in CT. These guys always seem to find a way back for global tournaments.

 

[todfod 11]

The only man who comes to mind when I think of the defeat last night is Mohammad Hafeez. Sure, he scored an 88 but on this pitch, this should've been on 70 deliveries if not fewer. He sucked the life out of the game in the initial stages of his innings. The only runs he got were against spinners and even the commentators were getting annoyed with his constant blocking vs the fast bowlers. As soon as Shannon Gabriel would come onto bowl, Hafeez would start leaving the balls as if he were playing the first day of Test match in South African conditions.

Nurse, Mohammad and even our own Malik showed us that this pitch was a gem for batting and there was no need for Hafeez to play the way he did.

But that is not where the misery ends. Apart from his shabby performances with the bat, Hafeez also brings the seniority factor into context. He replaced Babar Azam for the No.3 spot, the spot where Babar has played prolifically and scored numerous centuries. Babar has got to be one of the most brightest upcoming cricketing talents in the world and not only will we be deprived of his great knocks because of Hafeez but we will also see him losing confidence for the future. Some players will call him out for adjusting to new positions or for the need to play quicker but lets just be happy with what we have, a potential world class cricketer.

The less said about his bowling the better.

Now all of this said begs the question, when can we hope to be finally rid off Hafeez? I have a feeling his is already in the plans for the next World Cup. What do you guys think? Discuss. Is there a chance he can at least be dropped for the CT '17?

after being kicked out of 2019 world cup by some 3 rd tier team

 

[MMHS]

He'll batter teams like BD, SL, India, WI, Zim, Afg etc, but he will always get out to top bowling teams with strong swing bowlers. I don't think Mickey wants him in the team anymore given Malik is a better player.

He won't batter even associates these days. That 88 of 92 looks batter because you are comparing stats across 5 decades. This was a match winning knock even 10 years back, when he was dropped from PAK team for his career average of 18 at a strike rate of 58 - that's after 50+ match.

Compare what other No. 3s doing these days coming at 85/1 in 15th over, and what he did in his innings. And, by other No. 3, I am not talking about Smith, Kohli, Root or Will - not even our Sabbir or that Lankan kid Perrera; take a look at Afghan Rahman Shah.

 

[Hasan123]

Hopefully tommorow. Realistically not till the champions trophy at least.

 

[Syed1]

Hopefully tommorow. Realistically not till the champions trophy at least.

I can bet you a $100 bucks that Mickey and Sarfaraz think that Hafeez played really well yesterday and set up an excellent platform. He is playing tomorrow that is almost confirmed. He has also booked his flight to the UK. One more fifty against SL in the CT and he will be in the side after as well.

If we crash and burn in the CT there might be a massive culling of all failed players from the squad, hopefully Hafeez gets caught in it.

 

[Syed1]

He'll batter teams like BD, SL, India, WI, Zim, Afg etc, but he will always get out to top bowling teams with strong swing bowlers. I don't think Mickey wants him in the team anymore given Malik is a better player.

Mickey is the one who brought him back and put him at the number three spot.

 

[Hasan123]

I can bet you a $100 bucks that Mickey and Sarfaraz think that Hafeez played really well yesterday and set up an excellent platform. He is playing tomorrow that is almost confirmed. He has also booked his flight to the UK. One more fifty against SL in the CT and he will be in the side after as well.

If we crash and burn in the CT there might be a massive culling of all failed players from the squad, hopefully Hafeez gets caught in it.

If he fails in the champions trophy he could blame it on an injury, be out injured for a few months. Than return when fit like he did for the Australian series.

 

[Syed1]

If he fails in the champions trophy he could blame it on an injury, be out injured for a few months. Than return when fit like he did for the Australian series.

Hafeez is the new Farhat. Hated by everyone, and despised even more when he scores, yet he still somehow finds a way into the side.

 

[shaz619]

Unbelievable prospect of both Kamran & Hafeez playing in CT. These guys always seem to find a way back for global tournaments.

Sharjeel has forced this more then anything although there were other options to consider I suppose but no excuse for the selection of Hafeez and Shan Masood

 

[MMHS]

Sharjeel has forced this more then anything although there were other options to consider I suppose but no excuse for the selection of Hafeez and Shan Masood

Sharjeel issue has forced only Kamran - Even with Sharjeel, Babar batted at 3, now without him, he is forced at 4.

Shan Masood I agree - shouldn't be in the squad.

 

[Rayyman]

I think he can be a good option in Test matches. Only if he plays as an all-rounder and bats at one of #s 4, 5 or 6.

 

[ExplicitAI]

He won't batter even associates these days. That 88 of 92 looks batter because you are comparing stats across 5 decades. This was a match winning knock even 10 years back, when he was dropped from PAK team for his career average of 18 at a strike rate of 58 - that's after 50+ match.

Compare what other No. 3s doing these days coming at 85/1 in 15th over, and what he did in his innings. And, by other No. 3, I am not talking about Smith, Kohli, Root or Will - not even our Sabbir or that Lankan kid Perrera; take a look at Afghan Rahman Shah.

He's a minnow basher. Of course he will score heavy against these teams. I've seen it time and time before.

 

[Sarfarazian92]

Fraud of the highest order.

 

[Speedster777]

Mickey is the one who brought him back and put him at the number three spot.

true hafeez was mickey's choice

 

[Aviator]

Remove hafeez and bring back salman butt...
With Kamran already there with amir, we need asif and butt to start building fixer 11.

 

[cricketInsight]

Mickey is the one who brought him back and put him at the number three spot.

That was a terrible decision especially after Babar had been so successful at that position. Unfortunately, because Hafeez scraped some runs, this mistake may be overlooked and repeated.

I am baffled - if Mickey is building this team around Babar, Sarfraz, and Imad - at least let them play to their strengths. Hafeez in no way fits into this team. Somehow he has good luck where he manages to score some runs just when he is on his last leg and then manages to stick around for another 10 games.

 

[Abdullah]

his innings wasnt too bad he was probably 7-10 runs short at the 50 ball stage and i always
expected him to make it up. the things is that against better teams he aint making it up!
bowlex decent too

 

[MMHS]

He's a minnow basher. Of course he will score heavy against these teams. I've seen it time and time before.

He "was" a minnow basher. WI could chase 300+ for the 1st time because it's a 330+ wicket, and this guy scored 29 of 50 coming at 85/1 in 15th over. At one point, from a RR of 5.7, he brought it down to 4.9 & PAK didn't lose a wicket in that period !!!!!!!

 

[MMHS]

A very good detailed post regarding the situation, although I was expecting a little more spicier information with regards to Hafeez's influence in terms of his relationships and the individuals higher up who are responsible for his selection potentially beyond his sweet talking which does seem to be the main reason for his selection in addition to the lack of batting intelligence which many folk in Pakistan do not hold but the big question is, has Mickey Arther been seduced as well? or is there just too much influence for him to overcome?

You need to look back a bit of history - for last 7 years. PAK had about 6 CS - Illyas, Qasim, Mohsin, Moin, Rashid & Inzi; 4 Head Coaches - Waquar (twice), Mohsin, Dav & Arthur (Probably Moin as well in short term); 4 LO Captains, excluding MoHa himself - Afridi (Both ODI & T20), Misbah (Both), Azhar & Sarfraz (Both); and 3 PCB Chairman in multiple terms (who approves the squad) - Ashraf, Sethi, Khan (I am not going to count respective tenure, because I don't have calculators at hand now).

Now, in this 6/7 years, thre had been many changes in PAK team, in fact entire cricket set-up - good, bad, ugly incidents. Many positives, more negatives - team has reached No. 1, has dropped to No. 9; PSL introduced, a team visited PAK, PSL final in PAK - not everything is black in those years.

BUT, along with so many ups & downs - one universal truth is MoHa's status & position in this team. It was not Misbah responsible for that Mohali loss - you can check back what MoHa did at that crucial point - Afridi, Waquar lost their job - MoHa kept batting in top 3. Dav joined the set-up & PAK did reasonably well in ODI in WI, IND, SAF - MoHa kept his spot at 3; Qasim came as CS, did few changes - MoHa kept his spot in SAF. Moin came as CS, WY came back as HC - MoHa went to WC as specialist bat; PAK lost 4-0 in Bangladesh (& lost like club teams) - major shakeup in the team, MoHa kept his spot after scoring 8 (or 12) in 3 innings as specialist No. 3 ........ Arthur came on his high horse - 6 months down the line MoHa led PAK in AUS & now has replaced Babar at 3.

Politics or links doesn't earn you so much with that sort of stats. This guy is treated like what Tendulkar got in India - this can't happen unless, he is rated like Tendulkar among every ranks. There are very few players in PAK's history who were beyond politics, nepotism when it comes to be selected in the squad, for that their status was beyond that level - Kardar, Fazal, Hanif, Imran, Javed, Wasim ........ Mohammad Hafeez. Even Waquar Younis had to sit out when PAK had Shoiab, Razzak & Mahmood with Akram & Saqline lost his ODI spot to Malik after 2002!!!!!!!

Mark this post - he is 40 now (you can take my words on this - at Toronto, I have met someone who had played with him at Sargoda) - if he can keep his fitness at remotely acceptable level, he'll lead PAK again.

 

[Hasan Cheema]

very valid question. Must be a T20 star in the local leagues.

With due respect, He was rightly dropped in the middle of England series when MA clearly give ultimatum to some senior players. If he failed today he will surely be dropped for 3rd ODI against WI.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Just like Wahab he is like a curse and will not be removed. Our people are obsessed with them thus they keep coming back.

Ask Sarfraz or Misbah they will sing songs about Wahab's pace or Hafeez's ability to bowl as well.

 

[Hamza_]

You need to look back a bit of history - for last 7 years. PAK had about 6 CS - Illyas, Qasim, Mohsin, Moin, Rashid & Inzi; 4 Head Coaches - Waquar (twice), Mohsin, Dav & Arthur (Probably Moin as well in short term); 4 LO Captains, excluding MoHa himself - Afridi (Both ODI & T20), Misbah (Both), Azhar & Sarfraz (Both); and 3 PCB Chairman in multiple terms (who approves the squad) - Ashraf, Sethi, Khan (I am not going to count respective tenure, because I don't have calculators at hand now).

Now, in this 6/7 years, thre had been many changes in PAK team, in fact entire cricket set-up - good, bad, ugly incidents. Many positives, more negatives - team has reached No. 1, has dropped to No. 9; PSL introduced, a team visited PAK, PSL final in PAK - not everything is black in those years.

BUT, along with so many ups & downs - one universal truth is MoHa's status & position in this team. It was not Misbah responsible for that Mohali loss - you can check back what MoHa did at that crucial point - Afridi, Waquar lost their job - MoHa kept batting in top 3. Dav joined the set-up & PAK did reasonably well in ODI in WI, IND, SAF - MoHa kept his spot at 3; Qasim came as CS, did few changes - MoHa kept his spot in SAF. Moin came as CS, WY came back as HC - MoHa went to WC as specialist bat; PAK lost 4-0 in Bangladesh (& lost like club teams) - major shakeup in the team, MoHa kept his spot after scoring 8 (or 12) in 3 innings as specialist No. 3 ........ Arthur came on his high horse - 6 months down the line MoHa led PAK in AUS & now has replaced Babar at 3.

Politics or links doesn't earn you so much with that sort of stats. This guy is treated like what Tendulkar got in India - this can't happen unless, he is rated like Tendulkar among every ranks. There are very few players in PAK's history who were beyond politics, nepotism when it comes to be selected in the squad, for that their status was beyond that level - Kardar, Fazal, Hanif, Imran, Javed, Wasim ........ Mohammad Hafeez. Even Waquar Younis had to sit out when PAK had Shoiab, Razzak & Mahmood with Akram & Saqline lost his ODI spot to Malik after 2002!!!!!!!

Mark this post - he is 40 now (you can take my words on this - at Toronto, I have met someone who had played with him at Sargoda) - if he can keep his fitness at remotely acceptable level, he'll lead PAK again.

I too my hat off for you mate.

Perfectly Summed up the mentality [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

 

[ExplicitAI]

He "was" a minnow basher. WI could chase 300+ for the 1st time because it's a 330+ wicket, and this guy scored 29 of 50 coming at 85/1 in 15th over. At one point, from a RR of 5.7, he brought it down to 4.9 & PAK didn't lose a wicket in that period !!!!!!!

Lol how you gonna say that based on one match? I'm not defending Hafeez at all but that doesn't mean he's finished now. Yuvraj ruined India's chances in the T20 WC final but he came back in the ODI team to score a century. Hafeez on the other hand was just being selfish just like how everyone else is saying it in the thread, just to cement his spot.

 

[Citizen4]

As much as I hate t say it, Hafeez will likely stay in the team as a regular, I won't be surprised if he plays the next world cup

 

[in_cutter]

Been playing Int'l cricket for over a decade & still does not know how to run between the wickets.

 

[SARJ_BD]

Even West Indies commentators are bashing the decision of putting Hafeez at 3 on the 1st ODI.
They are bashing his slow strike rate and inability to play pace bowlers as well.

 

[TahirFan]

Hafeez forced to me watch Premier League

Boring batting by Hafeez forced me to switch from ricket to the soccer.

3 goals in the first 10 minutes in the game between Leicester and Everton.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

I swear I did the same. I had to watch IPL because of him. This batting is horrible.

 

[Speedster777]

Horrible batting again! He's the most atrocious batsman in modern cricket. Hack.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

I am angry, just furious.

Is this what the team means to you professor? I liked this guy but such shamelessly selfish batting has ruined him forever.

No matter what he scores I hope he never plays for Pakistan again, I hope yorker crushes his toes.

Worst of all our thick tank will say he has a done a good job.

Shame on Sarfraz and mickey for putting up with crap when there was no need to. Sarfraz himself should have come up at 4.

 

[Rayyman]

Terrible.
Needs to be dropped.

 

[Hamad_H]

32 from 50. Improvement of 3 runs by the professor

 

[Adil_94]

seems like after he embarrasses himself at the CT only then will selectors take action.