Which bowler would you prefer between Yasir Shah and Ravichandran Ashwin in Tests?

[Haroon786]

No.

All the neutrals here support Yasir.

I can't name 1 neutral who is picking Ashwin.

Regardless of transformation, Aussie pitches....image is that Ashwin is a flop overseas and it will take quite a while to repair that and it won't get repaired fully unless he tours outside Asia and does well.

So regardless of margins....I think the final result is correct.

I don't mean neutrals here, I meant in the sense that both have performed equally well in Asia and Yasir hasn't had any games outside Asia to be judged hence there isn't a comparison to be made with Ashwin in that regard.

The neutrals here are picking Yasir because leggies > offies in general but if you actually see the level they're bowling at and the amount of wickets they're taking then both are roughly equal at the moment.

IMO Yasir is a little better in Tests.

 

[amit]

Ravichandran Ashwin

Tough to choose amongst them as bowlers, but Ashwin's batting gives him the edge

 

[Zaz]

As ashwin is a flop outside the subcontinent id give the benefit of doubt to yasir n say hes better

 

[bilalmasaud]

If u think Ashwin chucks then you don't know what chucking is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHOjFM3TiHs

he did chuck ... but his action in sri lanka seemed to have been worked on and looked alot cleaner ... and even the results were better i would say ...
i didn't follow his action against south africa but ashwin seems to go in and out of chucking habits ... sometimes hes pretty clean and sometimes not so

 

[cricketjoshila]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHOjFM3TiHs

he did chuck ... but his action in sri lanka seemed to have been worked on and looked alot cleaner ... and even the results were better i would say ...
i didn't follow his action against south africa but ashwin seems to go in and out of chucking habits ... sometimes hes pretty clean and sometimes not so

LOL.He announced that other bowlers were using elbow and getting away with it and he will do the same.Thats why he copied Narine's action for some weeks.This was before the ICC brought down the hammer on chuckers and Ashwin went back to his old action.This has been discussed to the death here on PP.

 

[90MPH]

LOL.He announced that other bowlers were using elbow and getting away with it and he will do the same.Thats why he copied Narine's action for some weeks.This was before the ICC brought down the hammer on chuckers and Ashwin went back to his old action.This has been discussed to the death here on PP.

You mean he only chucked when he was desperate for wickets and out of form ?

So if he goes out of form again will he chuck again ?

 

[Yossarian]

Ravichandran Ashwin

Tough to choose amongst them as bowlers, but Ashwin's batting gives him the edge

Well if you put it like that, then:

Of the 18 England post-war spinners with 50 Test wickets, Moeen has the best strike-rate (57.6).

Moeen Ali wins hands down

 

[cricketjoshila]

You mean he only chucked when he was desperate for wickets and out of form ?

So if he goes out of form again will he chuck again ?

He only chucked because others were chucking and getting away with it.

 

[90MPH]

He only chucked because others were chucking and getting away with it.

But he also chucked and got away with it.

Why 1 rule for 1 chucker and another for someone else ?

 

[cricketjoshila]

But he also chucked and got away with it.

Why 1 rule for 1 chucker and another for someone else ?

He cannot be called for chucking in past.He isnt chucking now or since that asia cup -world T20 period.

 

[Couch Cricketer]

On Asian pitches I would play both. In other places I would go with Yasir as I feel a leg spinner would be more effective on bouncy tracks compared to an offspinner.

 

[Bilal7]

Yasir is the better bowler but if I had to pick one, it would be Ashwin. He's not that far behind Shah in the bowling department but he can easily be a 25-30 averaging batsmen in tests.

 

[dashing_man]

A leg spinner is always a level up from an off spinner. Leg spinner can get wickets even on non turning pitches while an off spinner will fail big time

 

[Saqs]

Yasir. I would play Ashwin as the all rounder in my team batting at five just above the keeper.

 

[ElRaja]

they would bowl brilliantly in tandem, but to choose would take yasir, you cant argue with his stats. below is a simple comparision of other spinners in tests these two have played, whilst a fair few spinners have very good averages in the tests ashwin has played, apart from shoaib malik in the last test, no one has outbowled yasir. its early days buts it would be logical to imply ashwin has bowled in the more supporting conditions, especially at home.

yasirs stats, and ashwins stats, im not good with tables so if someone could stick it in the post that would be great, the numbers speak for themselves.

 

[battler]

Ashwin comes in on a seamer friendly pitch bowls the 1st over and picks up 2 wickets like a boss!
This is how the no. 1 spinner in the world rolls [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]

 

[ChachaCricket]

Ashwin is probably ahead right now. He is flighting the ball beautifully.

 

[Bilal7]

Ashwin comes in on a seamer friendly pitch bowls the 1st over and picks up 2 wickets like a boss!
This is how the no. 1 spinner in the world rolls [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]

Yasir Shah is the better test spinner, however. The carnage that would ensue if Shah bowled on these pitches to the Indian or South Africa batsmen would be unimaginable.

 

[battler]

Yasir Shah is the better test spinner, however. The carnage that would ensue if Shah bowled on these pitches to the Indian or South Africa batsmen would be unimaginable.

Oh please you act like he is warne which he isn't. Ashwin is equal if not better.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Oh please you act like he is warne which he isn't. Ashwin is equal if not better.

Better, atleast in Asia. As for away, let's wait before Yasir tours some countries. Looked like a part-timer in the WC..so I have my doubts.

 

[battler]

Better, atleast in Asia. As for away, let's wait before Yasir tours some countries. Looked like a part-timer in the WC..so I have my doubts.

Yeah if Yasir performs better away then no harm in saying that he is better than Ashwin.
But right now there is no reason in saying that he is better than Ashwin as he is untested.

 

[street cricketer]

There's nothing to choose between the two atm. I'll choose Ashwin purely for the batting he offers too.

 

[shah_1]

It all depends on Yasir's preformance next year

 

[Bilal7]

Oh please you act like he is warne which he isn't. Ashwin is equal if not better.

Ashwin is not his equal as a test bowler, don't kid yourself. You don't have to be Warne to wreak havoc on these Indian turners, you only have to be a very good bowler which Yasir Shah is. Plus, Ashwin has failed overseas, Shah is merely untested so that goes in favor of Warne's favorite spinner as well.

It's close between the two but I would give Shah an 8.5/10 while giving Ashwin an 8/10.

 

[Bilal7]

Yeah if Yasir performs better away then no harm in saying that he is better than Ashwin.
But right now there is no reason in saying that he is better than Ashwin as he is untested.

Someone who is untested at something is better placed than someone who has already failed.

 

[ChachaCricket]

Better, atleast in Asia. As for away, let's wait before Yasir tours some countries. Looked like a part-timer in the WC..so I have my doubts.

How is Ashwin better when Yasir has bowled on flatter pitches?

 

[Abdullah719]

Better, atleast in Asia. As for away, let's wait before Yasir tours some countries. Looked like a part-timer in the WC..so I have my doubts.

The thread title:

Who would you prefer between Yasir Shah and Ravichandran Ashwin in Tests?

Anyway, I don't think there is much in it. Ashwin is a changed bowler over the past year or so. Too close to call.

 

[battler]

Someone who is untested at something is better placed than someone who has already failed.

No he is not better placed he is simply untested.

 

[Zak_Fan]

How is Ashwin better when Yasir has bowled on flatter pitches?

In Asia, so far Ashwin has out-bowled him in similar or comparable conditions. However, the difference is marginal.. so won't be wrong to call them equals.

 

[Bilal7]

No he is not better placed he is simply untested.

Untested yes, not a failure. Therefore better placed than someone who has failed.

 

[IndianWillow]

Ashwin is not his equal as a test bowler, don't kid yourself. You don't have to be Warne to wreak havoc on these Indian turners, you only have to be a very good bowler which Yasir Shah is. Plus, Ashwin has failed overseas, Shah is merely untested so that goes in favor of Warne's favorite spinner as well.

It's close between the two but I would give Shah an 8.5/10 while giving Ashwin an 8/10.

Warne never wrecked havoc on Indian wickets.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Untested yes, not a failure. Therefore better placed than someone who has failed.

Untested, and hence does not deserve an "overseas" comparison with Ashwin. Pitches in Australia are brutal, and if Yasir can do something Ashwin and Ajmal couldn't, then good luck to him.

The only valid comparison right now would be Tests played in Asia, and going by the overall record, Ashwin is clearly ahead. He has outperformed Yasir even on flatter surfaces. So what is the debate?

 

[Bilal7]

Untested, and hence does not deserve an "overseas" comparison with Ashwin. Pitches in Australia are brutal, and if Yasir can do something Ashwin and Ajmal couldn't, then good luck to him.

The only valid comparison right now would be Tests played in Asia, and going by the overall record, Ashwin is clearly ahead. He has outperformed Yasir even on flatter surfaces. So what is the debate?

Electron, you would do well to take into account the fact that Shah is a leg-spinner, while Ajmal and Ashwin are offies. Anyone who knows something about the game will tell you that the latter variety of bowler will have more success in Australia.

We can't make a comparison about their performance overseas but we can say that Ashwin has failed but Shah hasn't. A srudent who hasn't failed an exam is in a better position than one who has.

Ashwin's stats have been padded by bowling on the most helpful of pitches for spin-bowlers. It is clear that as of now, Yasir Shah is the beat test-bowler in the world.

 

[Square Drive]

Well, seems even the BCCICC prefers Yas.

 

[Bilal7]

The only people who prefer Ashwin to Shah in tests are chauvinistic Indians or India fans. Everyone else, from Warne to Kumble to neutral fans know that Yasir is better.

 

[Raw deal]

Against right handers, its Yasir. Against left handers, its Ashwin.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Well, seems even the BCCICC prefers Yas.

For that period of Sep 2014 to Sep 2015.. yes.

Ashwin hardly played any Cricket in that period or the matches were in Australia.

 

[Adijazz1706]

Ashwin hasn't beaten Yasir in similar conditions because he hasn't really played in similar conditions except SL where Yasir took 24@19 (45.3% of wickets) and Ashwin took 21@18(35%) iirc.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ashwin hasn't beaten Yasir in similar conditions because he hasn't really played in similar conditions except SL where Yasir took 24@19 (45.3% of wickets) and Ashwin took 21@18(35%) iirc.

Ashwin had to share wickets with a Mishra.Yasir had little spin support.

 

[IndianWillow]

The only people who prefer Ashwin to Shah in tests are chauvinistic Indians or India fans. Everyone else, from Warne to Kumble to neutral fans know that Yasir is better.

I don't think anyone is rating Yasir based on performances yet, because the sample size as well as the spatial distribution of his games is small. He is being rated for his potential. But potential to performance over a 3-4 year period is a long way to go, which Ashwin has achieved and Yasir is yet to prove.

 

[Robert]

I think Yasir will be the world's best spinner over the next ten years. So him.

 

[BigBoy123]

Yasir in test..definitely ashwin in odis..

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[Aehsan Masoodi]

Fazool Yaar

Oh dear ICC has already prefered Yasir over Ashwin so no need to discuss.

 

[Adijazz1706]

Hope both make the ICC test team next year. Or can only 1 spinner make it?

 

[Bilal7]

I don't think anyone is rating Yasir based on performances yet, because the sample size as well as the spatial distribution of his games is small. He is being rated for his potential. But potential to performance over a 3-4 year period is a long way to go, which Ashwin has achieved and Yasir is yet to prove.

Most people rate players on their performances and potential. You need to have some performances to back up your talent, which Yasir does.

Ashwin hasn't achieved anything substantial yet. Bullying foreigners on Indian pitches doesn't take much effort and he's failed to have an impact of any kind, overseas. A good spinner but you're overrating him.

 

[endymion248]

Looks like BCCI decided to settle the debate...

 

[Bhaijaan]

Looks like BCCI decided to settle the debate...

I think its proven now that time travel is for real. BCCI somewhere in future has got its hands on time travel technology and went back in time to influence WADA to include Chlortalidone in its list of banned substances knowing well Messi in 2015 will be caught consuming it.

 

[endymion248]

I think its proven now that time travel is for real. BCCI somewhere in future has got its hands on time travel technology and went back in time to influence WADA to include Chlortalidone in its list of banned substances knowing well Messi in 2015 will be caught consuming it.

No, that's a nutter level conspiracy theory. I just think that they sent a RAW spy to spike Yasir's food. They just couldn't bear to see that a Pakistani spinner is better than Ashwein.

 

[Robert]

Since I can pick him...... Ashwin!

 

[Aman]

Looks like BCCI decided to settle the debate...

BCCI force-fed him the drugs...

 

[Sidilicious]

Looks like BCCI decided to settle the debate...

I am disappointed they didnt do this before. Shouldn't have let him pick so many wickets in the first place.

 

[Sakss]

Will Yasir Shah prove to be a better Test bowler in England than Ravi Ashwin?

Ravi has taken 15 wickets in 5 matches he has played vs Eng and Aus in away conditions over the last 2 years.

Against England he has only 3 in 2 matches.

 

[Mahmood101]

Yup, as a leg spinner he should--expect him to cause a few collapses in the 3rd/4th innings

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[ShoonyaSifar]

To be fair to Ashwin, he hardly got to bowl in England. A total of 35 overs across those 2 tests where he took 3 wickets for 101 runs. But he looked threatening in his spells despite having nothing to play with, India scored 150 each in both the tests and batted like school boys.

His performances in Aus were bad though. But as bad as he was, Dhoni terribly idiotic and defensive captaincy made him look worse on those tours.

So Yasir doesn't have to do much to better Ashwin, However if Misbah suddenly becomes defensive like Dhoni and forces Yasir to bowl defensively, then he too will have a tough time.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Yasir is on another league compared to Ashwin.

 

[Junaids]

I would always expect a wrist spinner to do better than a legal off-spinner in England. It really illustrates just why Jim Laker was the off-spin GOAT.

Having said that, Ashwin's batting may well make him overall an even more precious Test cricketer than Yasir Shah.

 

[Hasan123]

Ashwin is just ahead of Yasir in tests. Yasir can peform in these away tours that will give him an advantage over Ashwin

 

[Amjid Javed]

If there is a lot of dry weather in 2nd half of the summer then Yasir could prosper in conditions against england. If weather is adverse then he might play a minor role or not even play at all.

 

[dhump]

How fit is Yasir ??? this is the real question.

He got the ability, but not sure if he can really perform with this fitness.

 

[Thivagar]

I say yes.

 

[muzzy]

Ashwin just ahead on turning wickets

Outside the SC and flatter pitches Yasir Shah any day.

If I had to pick one of the two for all conditions; Yasir Shah would be the obvious selection.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Small correction:

While Ashwin played 2 tests in Eng...he played 2 innings only.

0/30 and 3/72

Sample set is low.

Aus and Eng are different conditions so can't compare. Ashwin has bowled in like 4 innings apart from Aus (and in that, 2 innings were just a few overs).

With all being said, if Yasir does well in England, his stature would rise and Ashwin would have to wait for outside Asia series (not WI) to prove himself.

 

[Abhilash93]

Small correction:



While Ashwin played 2 tests in Eng...he played 2 innings only.



0/30 and 3/72



Sample set is low.



Aus and Eng are different conditions so can't compare. Ashwin has bowled in like 4 innings apart from Aus (and in that, 2 innings were just a few overs).



With all being said, if Yasir does well in England, his stature would rise and Ashwin would have to wait for outside Asia series (not WI) to prove himself.

True, didn't get to bowl much.

 

[#GreenRoars]

I hope Yasir performs well, and surely it will give him a slight advantage over Ash.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Other than Warne and Mushtaq Ahmed has any leggie had a good time in England (talking modern era)? Kumble had one good series (his last tour to England) but other than that he was poor. Kaneria was dire - so much so that he was kicked out the squad after one test the last time Pakistan toured. Going back a bit further even Qadir averaged 40+ in England.

 

[Spookiewookie]

Ravi has taken 15 wickets in 5 matches he has played vs Eng and Aus in away conditions over the last 2 years.

Against England he has only 3 in 2 matches.

why the comparison with Ashwin? is it because he is Indian?

I enjoy watching Yasir bowl - hope he does himself justice - as an England supporter certainly dont want him to do too well

 

[#GreenRoars]

why the comparison with Ashwin? is it because he is Indian?

I enjoy watching Yasir bowl - hope he does himself justice - as an England supporter certainly dont want him to do too well

So, do we have any other good spinner currently from Asia, or even from Aus, Eng, SA, NZ e.t.c???

 

[aloo paratha]

why the comparison with Ashwin? is it because he is Indian?

I enjoy watching Yasir bowl - hope he does himself justice - as an England supporter certainly dont want him to do too well

Maybe because they're the top 2 spinners going around in the world??

 

[Spookiewookie]

So, do we have any other good spinner currently from Asia, or even from Aus, Eng, SA, NZ e.t.c???

A better comparison would be with another leggy - say Imran Tahir

 

[#GreenRoars]

A better comparison would be with another leggy - say Imran Tahir

Immy is not in league of Ash and Shah in Test.

Both are spinners so comparison is fair enough, otherwise it will be weird if people start comparing medium pacer with medium, fast with fast, e.t.c

 

[Spookiewookie]

Immy is not in league of Ash and Shah in Test.

Both are spinners so comparison is fair enough, otherwise it will be weird if people start comparing medium pacer with medium, fast with fast, e.t.c

Personally the art of offbreak vs Leg is so different in their skill, approach, role, etc - I find the comparison weak - however each to their own - if these two are rated as the current best then perhaps the comparison is inevitable.

 

[Sakss]

why the comparison with Ashwin? is it because he is Indian?

I enjoy watching Yasir bowl - hope he does himself justice - as an England supporter certainly dont want him to do too well

Hes the current best spinner , hence the comparison.

 

[Statsman]

Arguably the best leg spinner after Warne and instead of comparing him to Warney you set Ashwin (an off spinner) as a benchmark?

 

[Statsman]

Warne averaged 21.94 in England. Took 129 wickets in 22 tests against a much much superior batting. Question should be, can Shah outperform him?

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

Arguably the best leg spinner after Warne and instead of comparing him to Warney you set Ashwin (an off spinner) as a benchmark?

Not yet, has to prove himself in England and Australia, before comparing him to Shane Warne.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Warne averaged 21.94 in England. Took 129 wickets in 22 tests against a much much superior batting. Question should be, can Shah outperform him?

First, let's see how he is going to perform in coming 4 Tests, if he manage to take 15+ wickets, would be good. Outperforming Warne? Not an easy task.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ashwin played only 2 innings in England.Jadeja was preferred over him for some god forsaken reason.

 

[IcedEarth]

Warne averaged 21.94 in England. Took 129 wickets in 22 tests against a much much superior batting. Question should be, can Shah outperform him?

Nah, English batting was utter tosh against spin in 92-2003 period. Current players play spin much better. However, Warne bowled to KP, who was in a different league when it came to playing spin. Moeen Ali is the best player of spin in the current side.

 

[Sakss]

Bump

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Yes.