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Which bowler would you prefer between Yasir Shah and Ravichandran Ashwin in Tests?

Who would you prefer between Yasir Shah and Ravichandran Ashwin (Tests)?

  • Yasir Shah

    Votes: 118 62.1%

  • Ravichandran Ashwin

    Votes: 72 37.9%
  • Total voters
    190
blue_champion said:
Not to sound condescending but that is not exactly a great achievement....whereas in terms of Athleticism India seems to have some tremendous athletes and fielders,our slip catching is pretty bad...infact Ashwin is one of our better slip fielders and overall safe catcher....so yes this I will admit was assumption and more than wiling to take back my statement if I see some Jonty Rhodes kind of efforts by Yasir Shah
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not saying it is a great achievement...but seems like you haven't seen Yasir field at all and are assuming he isn't good. I don't want to over hype his fielding but here's some videos for you



These videos do seem to show Yasir as a Jhonty Rhodes. Never seen Ashwin pull something like this, however.
 
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street cricketer said:
Although it's kinda unfair on Ashwin as well.

Has bowled majority of his overs on the dead tracks of Australia (where better spinners than him have poor records) and very few in the other countries. His only real failure was the Jo'burg test. Would be interesting to see how he goes at the windies.
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He is lucky as well. Going to play 17 matches on a turning pitch in India.
 
aroor said:
He is lucky as well. Going to play 17 matches on a turning pitch in India.
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He certainly has shown his potential in Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. So it's not like he performs only at home.

Windies tour will be interesting.
 
street cricketer said:
Tbf Ashwin has bowled in just 2 innings in England.
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add some more words. "Tbf Ashwin has bowled in just 2 innings in England, and after that captain knew that we should give him rest and try another player who will hopefully get wickets for us.
 
Ashwin being the better fielder also is a dubious claim. So basically Ashwin is a better bat than Yasir...perhaps Indian fans should rightly say "Yasir is the best spinner in the world but Ashwin can bat better"
 
Langau said:
add some more words. "Tbf Ashwin has bowled in just 2 innings in England, and after that captain knew that we should give him rest and try another player who will hopefully get wickets for us.
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Was picked only in the 4th test when England started battering India.

I think you haven't watched the series.
 
sshakir411 said:
Ashwin being the better fielder also is a dubious claim. So basically Ashwin is a better bat than Yasir...perhaps Indian fans should rightly say "Yasir is the best spinner in the world but Ashwin can bat better"
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On his way to becoming the Best Leg spinner....agreed....after this test series definitely a strong possibility
 
street cricketer said:
Was picked only in the 4th test when England started battering India.

I think you haven't watched the series.
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Ravindra Jadeja ran through a stronger South African line up ...no one rates him yet.

May not be the worst comparison though as both bring the ball away from the right hander.

Ashwin is far ahead
 
If pitch is a square turner, I will take Ashwin over Yasir.

If it is a flat track, Yasir is better than Ashwin. Leggies are always more effective than offies on flat decks.

If the pitch is offering turn only on the 4th and 5th days of a Test match, I will prefer Ashwin. Not because Ashin is a better spinner than yasir. Only because Ashwin offers a lot with the bat too. Especially in tests. You can expect 30 runs from him in Test matches easily with the bat.
 
Langau said:
nop.
why they didn't played him in first 3 tests?
what were his figures?
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Dhoni always picked Jadeja as the lone spinner for overseas matches, mainly for the extra batting strength he provides.

Ashwin only got sporadic chances when Jaddu couldn't deliver.
 
blue_champion said:
Ravindra Jadeja ran through a stronger South African line up ...no one rates him yet.

May not be the worst comparison though as both bring the ball away from the right hander.

Ashwin is far ahead
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You mean to say Ashwin is far ahead of Yasir and Jaddu with the ball?
 
Ashwin's performance in England is misleading because he is certainly better than that, but Yasir has moved ahead of him based on today's performance.

Yes the English batsmen played awful shots but he forced them to make mistakes by bowling a tight line. Ashwin on the other hand, tried to do too many things.
 
waleed88 said:
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] would be pretty disappointed by this.. he never rated Shah
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True, far better than I thought he would develop into, based on early impression.

Very mature bowling.

Not disappointed though. I have nothing against him like I do against Younis whose good performances disappoint me.
 
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Mamoon said:
Ashwin's performance in England is misleading because he is certainly better than that, but Yasir has moved ahead of him based on today's performance.

Yes the English batsmen played awful shots but he forced them to make mistakes by bowling a tight line. Ashwin on the other hand, tried to do too many things.
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I think you got it mixed with Aus 2011 and Eng home 2012.

Ashwin in England in 2014 didn't try too much. Kept a steady line and length. Got some wickets.

Yasir's bowling today was simply amazing. Tight, probing and waiting for mistakes from batsmen.
 
blue_champion said:
No it doesn't make sense....2 different form of spin bowling.....fine as Ashwin is probably right now the best spinner in the world and you are using him as a benchmark to compare upcoming spinners like Yasir...sure....I will give him credit where due...fantastic performance
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Keep on making excuses. All that matters is perfomance And the same Indians were saying Fizz is better than amir but according to you they are different types of bowlers. You guys keep changing goal posts when it doesn't suit you. You guys don't even have the guts to say Yasir is a better bowler in tests even though he has performed better in one innings than ashwin did in his whole tour of England. Just sad !!!
Keep in living in denial.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Nah.

Yasir doesn't get selected in ODI not cos he can't bat but because he averages 36 in ODI (with average of 82 against Eng in 3 games, 41 against SL in 5 gamesand no wickets against the single game against India....averaged 18 against Zim). Overall economy of 5.2

That's the reason.
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You can't label someone a test bowler based on around approx 10 games.. that sample size is too small..
The india game was the world cup game.. where the pitch wasn't turning and he played mostly because of the enforcement of Imran Khan..
He has been labelled as a test match bowler since that game.. and most analysts and pundits of the team argue against his inclusion in lieu of a part time spinner.. which is how mostly the modern game operates..
it was also done to make way for Shahid Afridi.. like Afridi did back when he captain in 2011.. he played himself instead of Saeed Ajmal who a specialist (so that he can keep his place in the side as an allrounder).. the biggest problem is our obsession with allrounders and the 'value' they bring to the team..
it is an obsession that is present in the selection of the test match squad.. where Iftikhar Ahmed got selected for no reason at all.. just because he could bowl off spinners

You can see the reaction of our PP'ers whenever he is selected whine about his selection.. he was labelled as someone who doesn't have a googly.. when clearly his exploits show otherwise..
 
Now you're gonna say Ashwin and Jadeja picked up wickets in that game.. that is more down to our batsmen's incompetence to bat properly against them.. we have a long history of struggles against left arm spin and ashwin's finger spinners
 
Players who haven't finished their careers shouldn't be compared, especially if they've played only 14 matches. If Yasir does well this series then I wouldn't hesitate to put him ahead of Ashwin, but one innings is too early. There have been way too many cases where players had a great start and then fell apart (like Massie, at Lord's too).
 
Tough to vote - I want a 3rd option : both.

I think, Yasir is a better "Good wicket" bowler, which is quite logical because of being leggi. But, on under-prepared turners, Ash is almost unmanageable - bowls at ~2 economy & keeps the pressure on. On low scoring turners, chances are that Yasir might go for plenty, but Ash won't. On a standard wicket (like the one at Lord's) I am happy to play both with Stokes as 3rd seemer. That makes 3+2 bowling attack with Jimmy & Styen (still, may be next year both'll miss out).

On green tops, Ash 'll miss out & I'll play Aamir; while on rank turners, I'll drop Stokes for Sakib, that makes a perfect spin trio - a Leggi, an Offie & a SLAO + Jimmy & may be Aamir.


......... what's happening at Ankara?
 
waleed88 said:
You can't label someone a test bowler based on around approx 10 games.. that sample size is too small..
The india game was the world cup game.. where the pitch wasn't turning and he played mostly because of the enforcement of Imran Khan..
He has been labelled as a test match bowler since that game.. and most analysts and pundits of the team argue against his inclusion in lieu of a part time spinner.. which is how mostly the modern game operates..
it was also done to make way for Shahid Afridi.. like Afridi did back when he captain in 2011.. he played himself instead of Saeed Ajmal who a specialist (so that he can keep his place in the side as an allrounder).. the biggest problem is our obsession with allrounders and the 'value' they bring to the team..
it is an obsession that is present in the selection of the test match squad.. where Iftikhar Ahmed got selected for no reason at all.. just because he could bowl off spinners

You can see the reaction of our PP'ers whenever he is selected whine about his selection.. he was labelled as someone who doesn't have a googly.. when clearly his exploits show otherwise..
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I didn;t label anyone anything.

You are confusing the issue. Yasir could turn out to be a good ODI bowler down the road.

But you can't use "Pak can't have another bowler in XI" to answer Yasir vs Ashwin in ODIs.

Tests, Yasir is ahead as of today.

ODI, its not a competition (as of now). Ashwin has done lots in that format.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I didn;t label anyone anything.

You are confusing the issue. Yasir could turn out to be a good ODI bowler down the road.

But you can't use "Pak can't have another bowler in XI" to answer Yasir vs Ashwin in ODIs.

Tests, Yasir is ahead as of today.

ODI, its not a competition (as of now). Ashwin has done lots in that format.
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Thats not what I have said, but what the selectors hold the opinion of when it comes to Yasir.. If this was my opinion that is another thing.. I'm talking about why he hasn't played as many games as he should
Yasir could be a great ODI bowler and Ashwin is better than him in ODIs
 
MMHS said:
Tough to vote - I want a 3rd option : both.

I think, Yasir is a better "Good wicket" bowler, which is quite logical because of being leggi. But, on under-prepared turners, Ash is almost unmanageable - bowls at ~2 economy & keeps the pressure on. On low scoring turners, chances are that Yasir might go for plenty, but Ash won't. On a standard wicket (like the one at Lord's) I am happy to play both with Stokes as 3rd seemer. That makes 3+2 bowling attack with Jimmy & Styen (still, may be next year both'll miss out).

On green tops, Ash 'll miss out & I'll play Aamir; while on rank turners, I'll drop Stokes for Sakib, that makes a perfect spin trio - a Leggi, an Offie & a SLAO + Jimmy & may be Aamir.


......... what's happening at Ankara?
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Interesting that Yasir's international stats are actually better than his domestic numbers so far, both average and SR.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I didn;t label anyone anything.

You are confusing the issue. Yasir could turn out to be a good ODI bowler down the road.

But you can't use "Pak can't have another bowler in XI" to answer Yasir vs Ashwin in ODIs.

Tests, Yasir is ahead as of today.

ODI, its not a competition (as of now). Ashwin has done lots in that format.
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“These things create problems in picking the right combination, you can struggle to control the flow of runs and I think that can damage the combination of the team and you have to sacrifice a player to have a better combination,” said Azhar who backed his spinners.

Azhar Ali when talking about Yasir Shah vs England
 
MMHS said:
Tough to vote - I want a 3rd option : both.

I think, Yasir is a better "Good wicket" bowler, which is quite logical because of being leggi. But, on under-prepared turners, Ash is almost unmanageable - bowls at ~2 economy & keeps the pressure on. On low scoring turners, chances are that Yasir might go for plenty, but Ash won't. On a standard wicket (like the one at Lord's) I am happy to play both with Stokes as 3rd seemer. That makes 3+2 bowling attack with Jimmy & Styen (still, may be next year both'll miss out).

On green tops, Ash 'll miss out & I'll play Aamir; while on rank turners, I'll drop Stokes for Sakib, that makes a perfect spin trio - a Leggi, an Offie & a SLAO + Jimmy & may be Aamir.


......... what's happening at Ankara?
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Surprised you didn't pick The Fizz. I'd have him as second pacer on SC/Windies wickets
 
New Yorker said:
Surprised you didn't pick The Fizz. I'd have him as second pacer on SC/Windies wickets
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My patriotism still hasn't got the better of good judgement yet - can't pick a bowler for 4 wickets at 14 each for Test match, which he might not last beyond 3 days.
 
Ashwin's a better bat, though Shah has shown some promise with the bat. Both are valuable assets to their teams, let's leave it at that.
 
Would love too see Yasir bowl on some of them pitches that India played South Africa on in 2015.
 
Opinions change after every match.

Yasir is proving to be better than Ashwin in England so far.

Both Yasir and Ashwin are world class spinners. 2 different arts and both are match winners.
 
New Yorker said:
Interesting that Yasir's international stats are actually better than his domestic numbers so far, both average and SR.
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Nothing surprising here.

Leg Spinners love bounce & carry on wickets, because their weapon is variation - flight, drift & sliders. Now, PAK domestic is played on pathetic wickets - wickets that actually doesn't help quality bowlers - bowlers with skill, pace, spin or variation. It's a wicket for Zulfi Babar, Kashif like darters or Sadaf, Asad like metronomes. You can check, I am not sure, but I think Asif, Ajmal's FC average is also lower (better) than their International career. These 3 blowers are extremely skillful bowlers, whose tricks are nullified by the dullness of the wickets - in simple words, these bowlers have beaten domestic batsmen all ends up, but for the dead tracks, either edges haven't carried to slips or short catchers (or fielders have dropped it) or batsmen had the time to block the ball after beaten by flight or turn or seem variation.

The same logic you can apply for batsmen - best batsmen in PAK domestics are Fawad, Azhar, Farhat, Latif, Manzoor, Shehzad, Misbah, Hasan Raza ..... players with very little flair, hardly any back-lift, limited shots, hardly any back-foot game but lots of patience & a good forward defence for dead slow & low wickets. One common trait of all these batsmen are that, they can't rotate strike - to rotate strike, 1st thing you need is 360 array of shots on either feet, then the placement (which is basically guiding the ball in gaps by using the top hand) - these two quality can only be developed if the batsmen play of faster wickets with a bit of consistent bounce, where ball comes on to bat. Classic example is Ahmed - he times the ball so well that, it actually limits his single taking options - ball reaches to fielder like a tress of bullet, but absolutely arrow straight. Among contemporary openers, Ahmed misses to connect the ball one of the least, but his SR is 70 & shot productivity is less than 35% (a scoring shot in 3 balls or more). A bit of better placement, this guy would have 40+/80+ ODI stats.
 
MMHS said:
My patriotism still hasn't got the better of good judgement yet - can't pick a bowler for 4 wickets at 14 each for Test match, which he might not last beyond 3 days.
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Of course. But on sluggish wickets he can already do things no other fast bowler
is capable of. It's like playing a spinner and pacer at the same time. His control is
second to none, and he is smart as a cookie. Will be an ATG I am sure.
 
MMHS said:
Nothing surprising here.

Leg Spinners love bounce & carry on wickets, because their weapon is variation - flight, drift & sliders. Now, PAK domestic is played on pathetic wickets - wickets that actually doesn't help quality bowlers - bowlers with skill, pace, spin or variation. It's a wicket for Zulfi Babar, Kashif like darters or Sadaf, Asad like metronomes. You can check, I am not sure, but I think Asif, Ajmal's FC average is also lower (better) than their International career. These 3 blowers are extremely skillful bowlers, whose tricks are nullified by the dullness of the wickets - in simple words, these bowlers have beaten domestic batsmen all ends up, but for the dead tracks, either edges haven't carried to slips or short catchers (or fielders have dropped it) or batsmen had the time to block the ball after beaten by flight or turn or seem variation.

The same logic you can apply for batsmen - best batsmen in PAK domestics are Fawad, Azhar, Farhat, Latif, Manzoor, Shehzad, Misbah, Hasan Raza ..... players with very little flair, hardly any back-lift, limited shots, hardly any back-foot game but lots of patience & a good forward defence for dead slow & low wickets. One common trait of all these batsmen are that, they can't rotate strike - to rotate strike, 1st thing you need is 360 array of shots on either feet, then the placement (which is basically guiding the ball in gaps by using the top hand) - these two quality can only be developed if the batsmen play of faster wickets with a bit of consistent bounce, where ball comes on to bat. Classic example is Ahmed - he times the ball so well that, it actually limits his single taking options - ball reaches to fielder like a tress of bullet, but absolutely arrow straight. Among contemporary openers, Ahmed misses to connect the ball one of the least, but his SR is 70 & shot productivity is less than 35% (a scoring shot in 3 balls or more). A bit of better placement, this guy would have 40+/80+ ODI stats.
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I think you are making two rather different arguments. One is that Yasir may like a bit of extra bounce and pace in the wicket, which seems plausible. To that I would add the possibility that players who do a bit better in their international phase were A. On an upward trajectory form wise when first picked, as happens with spinners later than others B. Finding it relatively easier to bowl to Englishmen, or Aussies, for instance, because Pakistani batsmen even in the domestic leagues are actually good players of spin, possibly the best in the world at the moment.

Your second argument is that better more skilled bowlers actually do worse than less skilled bowlers in Pakistan. This this makes no sense to me at all, and the scenario of edges not carrying seems contrived and poorly thought out. It is going to be a problem no less for bad bowlers, who draw the edge much less often, etc.

I suspect its pretty telling that on the same board you can read claims both that domestic pitches are both too flat, AND much too helpful to seamers. The common theme in this self flagellation is a deep seated distrust of the domestic system, presumably born out of disappointment at seeing young national hopefuls fail on the international stage. One useful aspect of the explanation of 'bad' pitches is that it allows you to believe that the problem is not a lack of talent.

And who is to say that it is? An alternate way of pandering to this hopefulness is to tender the possibility that at fault may be also a famously insecure national selection policy, which will rarely gives any one player a proper test run, if so largely on the basis not of actual aggregate performance, ie stats, but personal (dis)favor with coaches or captains or selectors. Fawad (who absolutely knows how to rotate the strike last time I checked) is an infamous case in point.
 
Though the current Ashwin would bowl much better in England, Yasir for me.

His slider is absolutely lethal, nearly impossible to pick, and he's got Mushy guiding him along the way teaching him how to vary pace in different conditions.
 
In Test, Shah is a better option. Though in LOIs, Ashwin is the pick and their is no other way.
 
One thing that Yasir will always have over Ashwin in overseas matches is that he is a leggie (a very talented one at that) and so he turns the ball away from batsmen who are mostly right handed in cricket. It is very hard to trouble batsmen with the incoming delivery on wickets where there isn't much purchase and also because of the fact that wrist spinners generate much more revolutions on the ball than finger spinners, I think Yasir is more suited for overseas matches than Ashwin.

However Ashwin is as lethal against lefties as well, even on relatively normal wickets. He made Sangakarra dance to his tunes for an entire tour in Sri Lanka and I remember him enticing Warner and deceiving him in the WT20 at Mohali which was a similar slow track to Lord's with grass only to hold the pitch together. Ashwin is generally a much better bowler to the lefties than righties and one contest I'm eagerly waiting for in the England's tour to India is Cook vs Ashwin. Cook is one of the, if not the best, players of spin in world cricket today and certainly up there with the best ever English players of spin while Ashwin has improved leaps and bounds from what he was 4 years ago. Would be one mouth watering contest that and one which would shape the series imo.

But having both in the team would be the ultimate spin attack and an all Asian team would be invincible in Asia against any team in the world, if ever a contest like that gets conducted.
 
Yasir was a hero in the first Test, but now a zero in the second. Even though his stats in England so far are similar to Ashwin's, he is still ahead because of how he won the first match single-handedly.

Having said that, it is also true that Ashwin didn't get a pitch as helpful as Yasir got in the first Test. So next few matches will be crucial for the comparison.
 
Opinions change after every Match.

Yasir had a brilliant 1st Test and a very very poor 2nd Test.

Ashiwn went wicketless in 1st innings and bulldozed WI in the 2nd innings.

Both are brilliant and are match winners. Ashwin provides more runs with the bat than Yasir. That's all.
 
Zak_Fan said:
Yasir was a hero in the first Test, but now a zero in the second. Even though his stats in England so far are similar to Ashwin's, he is still ahead because of how he won the first match single-handedly.

Having said that, it is also true that Ashwin didn't get a pitch as helpful as Yasir got in the first Test. So next few matches will be crucial for the comparison.
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You seem a biased and jealous Indian, the Lord's pitch wasn't helpful at all, huh.
 
street cricketer said:
One thing that Yasir will always have over Ashwin in overseas matches is that he is a leggie (a very talented one at that) and so he turns the ball away from batsmen who are mostly right handed in cricket. It is very hard to trouble batsmen with the incoming delivery on wickets where there isn't much purchase and also because of the fact that wrist spinners generate much more revolutions on the ball than finger spinners, I think Yasir is more suited for overseas matches than Ashwin.

However Ashwin is as lethal against lefties as well, even on relatively normal wickets. He made Sangakarra dance to his tunes for an entire tour in Sri Lanka and I remember him enticing Warner and deceiving him in the WT20 at Mohali which was a similar slow track to Lord's with grass only to hold the pitch together. Ashwin is generally a much better bowler to the lefties than righties and one contest I'm eagerly waiting for in the England's tour to India is Cook vs Ashwin. Cook is one of the, if not the best, players of spin in world cricket today and certainly up there with the best ever English players of spin while Ashwin has improved leaps and bounds from what he was 4 years ago. Would be one mouth watering contest that and one which would shape the series imo.

But having both in the team would be the ultimate spin attack and an all Asian team would be invincible in Asia against any team in the world, if ever a contest like that gets conducted.
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Did Ashwin play in your last home series against English which you lost?
 
Zak_Fan said:
It was as helpful as any English pitch could get. Why do you think Yasir got a 10fer there but is 1/250 here?
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Because he was more disciplined in the first Test, the pitch wasn't helpful. Ashwin can only dream of such a performance on a pitch which offers nothing for spinners.
 
The Last Of The Stars said:
Because he was more disciplined in the first Test, the pitch wasn't helpful. Ashwin can only dream of such a performance on a pitch which offers nothing for spinners.
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He just took a 7-fer on a phatta yesterday. Take off your green tinted glasses, my man.
 
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He just took a 7-fer on a phatta yesterday. Take off your green tinted glasses, my man.
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Also was good in Bangladesh, a place where Yasir has struggled.

Ashwin vs Yasir in countries where both have bowled

England - 33.66 vs 35.27
SL - 18.09 vs 19.33
Bang - 19 vs 34

Comfortably outbowled.

Add to it Ashwin's batting and Ashwin is a sure fire pick.

Yasir is good but there's no shame in being second best to the magnificence that is Ravichandran Ashwin.
 
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Because he was more disciplined in the first Test, the pitch wasn't helpful. Ashwin can only dream of such a performance on a pitch which offers nothing for spinners.
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Now this is another one of those never-ending excuses we find for Pakistani bowlers. The difference wasn't discipline, but the surface.
 
These two are fighting tooth and nail:narine

I first posted that you cannot go wrong with both as a spinner but Ashwin's batting will give him the edge. Probably holds true atm..
 
Ashwin can also bat which makes him more useful compared to Yasir.

However if Yasir can win Pak a test series in Eng or Aus or NZ or Sa on his own, I would change my opinion.


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Since Yasir Shah's debut

Yasir - 14 tests, 87 wickets@25.57, SR of 50.5, 5 5-fers, 1 10-fer
Ashwin - 12 tests, 76 wickets@20.13, SR of 41.2, 8 5-fers, 2 10-fers

Ashwin beats Yasir hands down in bowling average, SR, 5-fers, 10-fers and by a few weeks in age too :P

But for now, purely because what he did at Lord's, Yasir is slightly ahead of Ashwin as a bowler IMO.
 
geraltofrivia said:
Also was good in Bangladesh, a place where Yasir has struggled.

Ashwin vs Yasir in countries where both have bowled

England - 33.66 vs 35.27
SL - 18.09 vs 19.33
Bang - 19 vs 34

Comfortably outbowled.

Add to it Ashwin's batting and Ashwin is a sure fire pick.

Yasir is good but there's no shame in being second best to the magnificence that is Ravichandran Ashwin.
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Not exactly true dude.

Yasir got 19 average in SL with very little help from pacers and other spinners (yes IMran did it in final innings but talking overall). That means a LOT for bowlers. So what he did in SL is the same as Ashwin at the very least.

Against Bangladesh, he averaged 17 in the 2nd test but the first test was a hopeless patta (which Ashwin didn't play in). Ashwin demolished Bangladesh in the game he played. You can give marginal points to Ashwin for it cos Yaisir did bad in 1st but he was up there in the next test on a decent pitch.

England - Yes, Yasir averaged 35 in England but he also delivered a jaw dropping performance and turned the game on its head in Lords. When spinners do that, it impacts series. So unless Yasir's average keeps climbing up in England tour, for now, h has hdad a successful tour in terms of impact. Ashwin may average 33 but 3 wickets in one innings where Eng scored isn't the same as winning a match in Lords with a 10fer.

The stats you posted are good which shows that one is not incomparable to other as some say. But no one comfortably outbowled another. Yasir averages very good in UAE tracks that are unquestionably tougher to bowl than Indian tracks.

Stats are ok (and needed) but it doesn't always paint the full picture.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Not exactly true dude.

Yasir got 19 average in SL with very little help from pacers and other spinners (yes IMran did it in final innings but talking overall). That means a LOT for bowlers. So what he did in SL is the same as Ashwin at the very least.

Against Bangladesh, he averaged 17 in the 2nd test but the first test was a hopeless patta (which Ashwin didn't play in). Ashwin demolished Bangladesh in the game he played. You can give marginal points to Ashwin for it cos Yaisir did bad in 1st but he was up there in the next test on a decent pitch.

England - Yes, Yasir averaged 35 in England but he also delivered a jaw dropping performance and turned the game on its head in Lords. When spinners do that, it impacts series. So unless Yasir's average keeps climbing up in England tour, for now, h has hdad a successful tour in terms of impact. Ashwin may average 33 but 3 wickets in one innings where Eng scored isn't the same as winning a match in Lords with a 10fer.

The stats you posted are good which shows that one is not incomparable to other as some say. But no one comfortably outbowled another. Yasir averages very good in UAE tracks that are unquestionably tougher to bowl than Indian tracks.

Stats are ok (and needed) but it doesn't always paint the full picture.
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Dude I'm just having a bit of fun.

Who is "better" is a subjective question and is just a matter of one's opinion. This is not maths where there is defined criteria for being a "better" bowler. Anyone can have an opinion and give some justification. It's neither right nor wrong.
 
geraltofrivia said:
Dude I'm just having a bit of fun.

Who is "better" is a subjective question and is just a matter of one's opinion. This is not maths where there is defined criteria for being a "better" bowler. Anyone can have an opinion and give some justification. It's neither right nor wrong.
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Oh I see...Cool then haha.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Not exactly true dude.

Yasir got 19 average in SL with very little help from pacers and other spinners (yes IMran did it in final innings but talking overall). That means a LOT for bowlers. So what he did in SL is the same as Ashwin at the very least.

Against Bangladesh, he averaged 17 in the 2nd test but the first test was a hopeless patta (which Ashwin didn't play in). Ashwin demolished Bangladesh in the game he played. You can give marginal points to Ashwin for it cos Yaisir did bad in 1st but he was up there in the next test on a decent pitch.
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Come on SIF, don't be shy of giving our bowlers credit where they deserve it. If you remember the match-thread here, pitch for India Vs Bangladesh match too was being called a hopeless patta (probably a bigger one) until India came out to bowl. Ashwin deserved a lot of credit for the way he bowled considering Yasir struggled on a similar wicket.
 
Zak_Fan said:
Come on SIF, don't be shy of giving our bowlers credit where they deserve it. If you remember the match-thread here, pitch for India Vs Bangladesh match too was being called a hopeless patta (probably a bigger one) until India came out to bowl. Ashwin deserved a lot of credit for the way he bowled considering Yasir struggled on a similar wicket.
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No Zak ji.

I too thought the same (reg Bangladesh) until I dug in and found data long time back.

The pitch for Pakistan (2nd test) and India were flat tracks with a tinge of spin. Those were hard tracks but Kulna took it to the next level. Bangladesh could score 312-0 in 3rd innings.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/858493.html

Its not about not giving credit. I have argued with people reg Ashwin's Aus patta tracks for years (sometimes been the only guy who argued for it) so I know how much these things matter.
 
A fair comparison is between Yasir and Mishra. Ashwin is twice that of a player Yasir is because of his batting skills.
 
Balthazar bhai fair enough, Ashwin is better batsman and Shah is better bowler, thanks for agreeing.
 
Yasir is a better Test bowler at this point , but as player Ashwins batting and his LOI bowling makes him a better asset to a team .
 
No brainer really, hands down yasir shah!! Plays all his cricket on surfaces that impart slow spin, away from home, massive massive disadvantage. One, Mr Harbhajan has nearly 450 wickets and that in itself should justify the less credit ashwin deserves for me. Ashwin though is very clever and bamboozles opposition through sheer wit.
 
To be honest, Yasir got a little lucky at Lord's.

He is being manhandled here.
 
Bhajji has 450 wickets so Ashwin deserves less credit?

Yasir bowls in tough UAE pitches so he is far ahead even though on neutral grounds both are same?

Weird. Haha.
 
Yair is a better bowler, Ashwin is a better batsman.

An aggressive captain will select Yasir; a defensive captain will select Ashwin.
 
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